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Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by SirensOfTitan on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:26PM (#28528724)
What a disappointing event: a bunch of iterative updates. I also find it absolutely incredible that Apple decided to mention privacy during the event.

I think we're progressing into Apple's Ballmer era, if we weren't there already.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by afavour on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:31PM (#28528842)
> What a disappointing event: a bunch of iterative updates.

Is that not the pattern Apple has followed since the release of the original iPhone? This is an "off" year, the device would have been called the 12S but they stopped that pattern a while back.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by danieldk on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:44PM (#28529070)
Is that not the pattern Apple has followed since the release of the original iPhone? This is an "off" year, the device would have been called the 12S but they stopped that pattern a while back.

This is a mischaracterization of the S models. Even though the non-S models had bigger design changes, the S models were often large technological leaps:

- 4S: single -> dual core

- 5S: first 64-bit iPhone, first Touch ID model

- 6S: twice as much memory, 70% faster CPU than the 6. In contrast to the 6 still supported, probably because it has so much headroom. Also 3D Touch (though it ultimately failed).

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by afavour on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:48PM (#28529144)
IMO it’s not much of a mischaracterisation. Apple has always led with features, not tech specs. New features and designs tended to come one year with performance improvements the next. That feels very much iterative to me.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by nerfhammer on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:24PM (#28531528)
I also wonder if the global chip shortage was putting pressure against them doing anything too ambitious
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by raydev on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:40PM (#28531746)
I think another commenter got it right. This is a refinement year anyway.

If anything, it's the screen tech that could be holding them back, there's supply constraints in that chain as well.

I'm genuinely suprised we even got variable refresh rate; Apple clearly had much higher standards for it or they were concerned they couldn't meet demand, otherwise it should have shipped 2 years ago.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by axg11 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:31PM (#28528823)
What would you improve about the iPhone or iPad? I think these products are just mature and there is very little to improve other than iterative updates. The true test of whether Apple has entered their Ballmer era will be if they fail to launch a new product category in the next 2-3 years.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by gigel82 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:37PM (#28528941)
USB-C charging across the line would've been nice (the iPads are already on board with this generation it seems).

They could also do more innovation on the camera notch (20% smaller is not enough), I'd expect them to solve the under-display camera problem by now given their expertise and funding.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by kilroy123 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:40PM (#28529000)
Not OP but I will gladly tell you what _I_ would Improve.

1) Drop the photo scanning BS.

2) Add Touch ID back.

3) Just call it what it is. It's an iPhone 12S.

4) USB-C

5) Put a charger back in the box.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by lovich on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:51PM (#28529199)
How are those not just iterative changes though. Nothing in that list is innovative
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by hdjjhhvvhga on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:37PM (#28530729)
Paradoxically, I'd consider bringing the headphone jack back the most revolutionary change. It would give a clear message, "We heard our customers, we had been wrong, so now we are doing the right thing."

Never gonna happen, though.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by jdminhbg on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:59PM (#28531096)
Where is the evidence that customers want it back?
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by jereees on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @03:12PM (#28543095)
Please don’t put a charger back in the box, at least not by default. While we are at it why not take off the cost of the charger from the price?
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by rsanek on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:48AM (#28539803)
One painfully obvious thing would be to get rid of insane notch / forehead. While they're at it, implement an under-display front-facing camera so we can have 100% screen-to-body ratio. Fair that this is not really revolutionary (Samsung has had better screen-to-body for forever) but to me it was a surprising miss from Apple (yet again; maybe I should stop being surprised).
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by sildur on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:37PM (#28528931)
- USB-c port

- Act as wireless charger

- Dual SIM

- Under-screen fingerprint reader

- Maybe FM radio

- Headphones socket

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by poulsbohemian on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:28PM (#28529804)
> Maybe FM radio

I get why a few years ago there was a push for this, but in this era, why? There are so many music / news / talk streaming options that traditional radio might as well be dead. You turn on the sports radio shows and they are deliberately advertising and directing you to their podcast over their radio show.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by sildur on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:07PM (#28542349)
Because internet is slow, spotty, and 4G eats a lot of battery. FM radio is lightweight and instantaneous.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by danieldk on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:46PM (#28529100)
- Dual SIM

iPhones are Dual SIM. You can use a physical SIM + and eSIM. I have used my iPhone with two different plans/phone numbers for a while.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by akmarinov on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:07PM (#28531238)
iPhone 13 is now triple SIM, you get two eSIM and 1 physical
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by sildur on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:09PM (#28542367)
Not all companies offer eSIM. Also, if your phone breaks, with an eSIM you are left with nothing.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by dan-robertson on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:03PM (#28531157)
In China they sell iPhones that take two physical SIM cards.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by axg11 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:41PM (#28529014)
These are all great iterative features, but no more than that.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by hbn on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:36PM (#28528920)
I'm not defending the CSAM stuff at all because I hate it as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't say Apple is at a particularly worse area in the average consumer's mindspace than in the past.

In recent years they've dealt with some of the pain-points of iOS, e.g. starting to allow default apps, adding an app drawer so you don't need to have every app on your homescreen, etc.

And especially if we want to talk Macs, they recently released a batch of computers with their own silicon that are being rave-reviewed in terms of performance and battery life, and they're backtracking on the design flaws from their last era of laptops (getting rid of the butterfly keyboard that had a pathetic failure rate, giving up on the touchbar, rumors of potentially adding more I/O back, etc).

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by meepmorp on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:36PM (#28528928)
It's the M1 effect!

Most of Apple's updates are boring iterations on previous versions. Periodically, they'll come out with something that captures people's imagination for a while, then it's back to predicting the end of Innovator Apple because whatever is happening now doesn't match the excitement of the big shift.

Edit: I postulate that the disappointment effect crosses product lines

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by threatofrain on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:36PM (#28528916)
Apple's privacy innovations are unique, and I wonder whether Google will follow along. With Apple relay and mail protection you have TOR lite for grandma when browsing or using mail.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by theshrike79 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:33PM (#28528859)
Many small steps make one big step. iPhone releases haven't been for the people who get a new one every year for ages.

They are for the ones whose phone is so old that the latest iOS stopped supporting it.

Think about the amazing leap you get from an iPhone 6 to iPhone 13? That's not "iterative", it's damn revolutionary.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by tompazourek on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:09PM (#28529484)
I have iPhone 6, and it's fine with iOS 12.5.4 released in June 2021. I'm thinking about upgrading, but the current situation is still fine. The phone still works very well, and I use it a lot. Safari, YouTube, Reddit, podcast apps, maps apps, notes, messaging apps, etc. still work about the same. Photos would have better quality on a newer phone, but overall not a big change for everyday use. These newer displays look nice though.

I'll be forced to update when enough apps (not Apple, but third party) stop working because they no longer support iOS 12. Currently, there are only 7 apps out of over 200 that I have installed that don't support iOS 12. So I have to run an older version of these apps. Eventually there will be many. And the older versions of the apps will eventually stop working as well (if they connect to some web APIs that will be deprecated). This is what forced me to upgrade from iPhone 3GS to iPhone 6 last time.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by glogla on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:51PM (#28529187)
I don't know about that.

iPhone 6 had headphone connector, reasonable size and touchid. It had headphones and charger bundled in, for $650 at launch.

iPhone 13 definitely has better camera, display and performance, and it is bit more water resistant and has wireless charging. But it's larger, missing headphone connector, it has faceid (which never works in pandemic world due to masks), has no headphones or charger in the box, and cost $1000 at launch.

So there definitely are improvements (the quality of life from wireless charging, nicer screen and camera) but it comes at almost twice the cost and a lot of stupid choices like faceid. For people not interested in performance and camera, the iPhone 13 can almost seem worse.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by theshrike79 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:58AM (#28535740)
> has no headphones or charger in the box

I've got so fucking many wired Apple headphones and chargers I don't know what to do with them all.

I'm glad they're not bundling them any more. I use an Anker charger and cable anyway.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by xu_ituairo on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:48PM (#28533147)
iPhone 13 starts at $699 for the mini and $799 for the non-mini, not $1000.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by Lamad123 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:49PM (#28529171)
The only thing I see from iphone 8 to whatever this is, is that ugly notch and owl camera!!
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by theshrike79 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:56AM (#28535734)
As someone who moved from an 8 to an XS, you'll actually notice the notch for the first day or so.

After that you just won't care and barely notice it.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by ksml on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:30PM (#28528798)
They seemed like strong iterative updates to me? I also appreciate all speech recognition being done on-device
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by tedunangst on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:36PM (#28528918)
Yeah, I'd be so much happier if Apple switched to the Intel model and released the exact same product, only updating the part number.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by bluetomcat on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:36PM (#28528925)
The whole presentation felt like a video version of some kind of a lifestyle magazine. Like, here's some devices plus some apps and services to suit your dynamic everyday lifestyle. The surrounding sceneries and the style of the presentation also gave a very "post-covid" feel in the sense that we hardly ever saw more than a few people on a single frame.
Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by Spooky23 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:43PM (#28529044)
Usually they tick tock unless they missed the mark.

With the supply chain situation being what it is, essentially extending the 12 for a year is the smart move. They’ve already slipped the laptops to the point that they missed back to school and likely Christmas.

Re:iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max by daemoon on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:34PM (#28528882)
If it ain't broke don't fi it or something like that.