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Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by fny on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @09:46PM (#27991911)
Somewhat related: has anyone else noticed a massive change in breadth of results? I was searching for reviews for diving equipment and some less niche items and I feel like I'm being spoonfed results from the same comparison engines. Since when did algo content become king?
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by estebarb on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @09:52PM (#27991952)
I feel the same. Looking for specialized topics with Google is now very difficult. Now is impossible to look for phones, uncommon words or looking for anything that is not the mainstream result.

I'm not sure if the culprit is BERT or using neural ranking. But in the last years I feel that is more common that I leave Google search without useful information. The worse part is that all the competing search engines are using the same algorithms that are only useful for mainstream results.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by fy20 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @10:16PM (#27992076)
I noticed this in my country when searching for somewhat less common parts (electronics, car parts, tools, etc). The first few results are for online retailers in my country, and then after that it's full of domains with paths such as /sale_12345678. The domain sounds somewhat promising, and the description sounds good - other than it often being a quantity of 10 - but when you click the link it just redirects to AliExpress.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by ffffwe3rq352y3 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @10:25PM (#27992133)
I find that using another search engine in that kind of situation is extremely useful! If I'm searching for more mainstream stuff google usually is great but when I'm going for more specialized topics duck duck go will usually bring up some different links!
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by HideousKojima on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:56PM (#27992633)
Pretty much the only alternative to Google Search is Bing. That's even what DuckDuckGo uses behind the scenes.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by lordnacho on Thursday July 29, 2021 @03:35AM (#27993889)
Does this actually work though? Wouldn't the major search engines more or less look at the same information?

Or is there some thing that causes Bing to show different results? Perhaps the scammers build a network that targets google because it's bigger?

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by slacktide on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:23AM (#27992769)
I’ve been using Yandex more and more. Better search results, less censorship. Thanks, Rooskies!
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by Cipater on Thursday July 29, 2021 @02:52AM (#27993609)
Yandex reminds me of what Google was like in the early 2010s. It just gives me the results of the search term I put in.

Google increasingly thinks it knows better than me what I'm looking for.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by ffffwe3rq352y3 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:23AM (#27992766)
Yeah thats why I said to use it!
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by foobarian on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:09PM (#27992390)
Welp, time to dust off that HotBot codebase and get it running again! /s
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by infogulch on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:15PM (#27992431)
Search engines seem to be stuck between serving two roles: 1. An easily accessible directory of mainstream information, and 2. A specialized tool to find the diamond in the rough. It seems like it has to be a tradeoff, it can't serve both roles equally well.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by dukeofdoom on Thursday July 29, 2021 @01:15AM (#27992998)
This happens for unpopular events too.

Memory Hole

"The alteration or outright disappearance of inconvenient or embarrassing documents, photographs, transcripts, or other records, such as from a web site or other archive. Its origin comes from George Orwell's "1984", in which the memory hole was a small incinerator chute used for censoring, (through destroying), things Big Brother deemed necessary to censor."

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Memory%20Hol...

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by visarga on Thursday July 29, 2021 @07:14AM (#27995134)
> I'm not sure if the culprit is BERT or using neural ranking

Tools are not to blame here, it's like blaming the compiler for the behaviour of an application. Starting with the training data and ending with how the model is used in deployment it's the blame of people who made it, not of the neural architecture. The architecture itself can learn anything you throw at it, good or bad.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by ajsnigrutin on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @09:53PM (#27991958)
Atleast you get the results you are looking for... I search for three keywords, and it chooses to ignore the two specific one, and show only the one general one (while puting a line under the search result, that the result does not contain some keywords).

Basically, like searching diving suit thickness, and google ignoring "suit" and "thickness" (until i specifically put those two words in quotemarks), and only showing me results for diving.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by sunshineforever on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:35PM (#27992516)
I play a game with google search: I take something very mainstream like a movie title, let's say 'Reservoir Dogs' And change something in it, to say 'Reservoir Cats' for example.

Google search 'reservoir cats' and it will completely ignore what you actually search for in favor of the mainstream result. The effect is basically that you can't sesrch for 'reservoir cats'!

Even putting something opposite or unrelated to the highly mainstream result will have no effect.

Its completely entirely ridiculous and makes the search engine seem like a facade.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by ohthehugemanate on Thursday July 29, 2021 @06:06AM (#27994711)
I love this game. Great idea!

Side note: both duckduckgo and google gave me correct results for that specific search. Turns out "reservoir cats" is a movie and a simpsons episode.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by dalmo3 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:35AM (#27992815)
Although I'm familiar with your point, I literally just searched for the term you mentioned, navigated all the way to page 6 and every single result was specifically for Reservoir Cats proper, none of them even mentioned Reservoir Dogs in the title, only in the description for some of them.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by bryanrasmussen on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:54AM (#27992892)
the same, maybe someone at google read this and fixed it reaaalllly quick.

If I search for Palp fiction it shows me pulp fiction results but asks if I really meant Palp fiction, if I say yeah I really meant that it shows me Palp fiction with a message did you really mean pulp fiction.

on edit: some of the palp fiction is headline palp friction.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by leucineleprec0n on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:58PM (#27992636)
I’ve noticed this but only recently began to feel like the behavior was different, I wonder how strong the correction is now relative to the past
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by raytracer on Thursday July 29, 2021 @01:08AM (#27992961)
Reservoir Cats is actually a movie! I feel like I've slipped into an alternative time stream.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by pjmlp on Thursday July 29, 2021 @01:28AM (#27993073)
You just got me something for the weekend. :)
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by darwingr on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:45PM (#27992571)
There is an actual term defined for this. Not search high-jacking...I can't remember.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by donkeybeer on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @10:59PM (#27992334)
In cases like that, it often ignores words even after double quoting them.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by TheSpiceIsLife on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @10:56PM (#27992314)
We ignored your search query and showed you results our highest paying customers / advertisers paid us to show you instead.

I don't know of a good general internet search engine, so I tend to stick to the sites I know will provide answers that'll work for me, which is a shame for discovering new content.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by pverghese on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:42PM (#27992551)
I searched diving suit thickness and it provides to correct information as the first result...the diving suit thickness for different temperatures. Not sure why you are not getting that information
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by Guidii on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:36AM (#27992820)
Odd. When I try that search[1] I'm seeing good results. There's a onebox telling me how thick a suit I need for different temperatures, followed by a bunch of articles on the topic.

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=diving+suit+thickness&rlz=1C...

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by yojo on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @10:17PM (#27992082)
This exactly. I’ve been researching specific house repair issues and just get nothing but content spam. Whenever I want specific information I find myself adding “reddit” to the query string, which will usually turn up a thread with links out to the actual answer.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by zadler on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @10:54PM (#27992299)
Said it before and I’ll say it again, when Reddit finally becomes inaccesible via searches we will have lost a huge and very useful database of succinct information.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by nullc on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:11AM (#27992696)
You haven't noticed that reddit has become substantially search inaccessible a number of months back?

Every reddit page while not logged in is full of hidden content from other unrelated pages. When you search, you'll get hits in these unrelated pages-- but when you follow the link it's not there (because it's on the unrelated pages).

Worse, the pages with the correct content aren't necessarily in the results at all because it was low enough in the thread that it was collapsed and wasn't visible to the search indexer.

It's not a total loss, but I'd say about 80% of my own comments are now difficult-to-impossible to find via search when they were easy previously.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by xerox13ster on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:18AM (#27992737)
> I'd say about 80% of my own comments are now difficult-to-impossible to find via search when they were easy previously.

https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by zadler on Thursday July 29, 2021 @09:11AM (#27996088)
We seem to be approaching a point where it could be worthwhile to get a distributed index involved even if it is very slow and inefficient to update.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by tesseract on Thursday July 29, 2021 @01:01AM (#27992931)
Probably even more information of that nature is hidden in Facebook Groups where it was never searchable in the first place.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by olyjohn on Thursday July 29, 2021 @02:04AM (#27993339)
Millions of useful photos have disappeared off of forums, now that Photobucket is dead.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by jhoechtl on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:11PM (#27992406)
Searching in Google has become all about shopping. Pure and relevant content is hard to find.

Even today here are bloggers outside who do not have a commercial affiliation with the goods/items/things they are blogging about. Such content is practically impossible to find in comparison to all the Amazon-affiliated pseudo-information conveying spoof-sites.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by mdolon on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @10:51PM (#27992279)
I wrote a blog post complaining about this early last year: http://mdolon.com/essays/amazon-has-ruined-search-and-google...

The Amazon affiliate program is definitely contributing to this problem.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by pjmlp on Thursday July 29, 2021 @01:24AM (#27993054)
Same here, I no longer can find anything sensible on Google, regardless how much I try to customize the search expression.

Additionally as polyglot it is very irritanting that Google tries to helpfully translate queries for me, thus I have to go to other search engines to actually find the article on the language I want.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by alfiedotwtf on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:35PM (#27992515)
I'm just sick of seeing pintrest and quora as the top 8 results :/
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by mahkeiro on Thursday July 29, 2021 @01:03AM (#27992935)
Pinterest is the worst as you cannot see the results without registering… How can it be a relevant search result! Fortunately -site:pinterest.com make it useable.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by bni on Thursday July 29, 2021 @07:57AM (#27995394)
Google should remove all Pinterest results, It makes especially image search a pain.

It is spam pure and simple.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by gomox on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:58AM (#27992914)
I couldn't agree more. More and more lately I've felt like the Altavista days. I know the information I'm looking for is out there, it's just not in the Google results page, which is plastered with unreadable stuff (paywalls, content farms), crap "content cards" in the results page, and sneakier and sneakier ads.

I'm not sure what the beginning of the end was for Google Search, but I think the day where they changed the ad background to white is a good candidate.

Google Search used to be like Chrome or Gmail - we know its wrong in the long term, but it's hard to stop using it because it just works so well.

But these days, not anymore. Search is a lot less sticky, and it is their golden goose they are messing with here.

Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by YeBanKo on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:36PM (#27992524)
I have been struggling with the same issue recently. Results are much more narrower and they seemed to be leaning towards consumer goods items. Though I don’t remember when I ever bought something coming from Google search.
Re:The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway by juskrey on Thursday July 29, 2021 @12:24AM (#27992774)
Simply, Google have lost the battle against SEO long ago, and, being in a trap of own cash flow, can't do anything radical to change that.