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Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:30PM (#27974352)
I've been making my own, purely as a pipe-dream to have some hope of walking again, it's not easy but I'm hoping it'll be a better fit than consumer ones, and probably cheaper.

I feel like we've made leaps and bounds in prosthetics this past decade but orthotics and exoskeletons haven't been following the trend for some reason. As an engineer I imagine there are some significant design constraints that make it hard but seeing what we're capable of doing in any other industry I can't help but feel the problem has to be something other than purely technical limitations. The price is also a big issue, 10k for the cheapest exoskeletons, 150k for the one in this article.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by the_lonely_road on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:58PM (#27974691)
My understanding is its the same thing limiting everything else. Power. Batteries more specifically. We just don't have a way to power anything for very long that doesn't have a cable attached to a wall attached to a power station. Honestly the ability for humans (and other living creatures) to just DO SO MUCH on just a little bio mass each day is astounding.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by devwastaken on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:25PM (#27975038)
Don't forget patents. You yourself can create whatever you want, but the second you want to sell it you have to have a patent law firm scour over everything, pay dozens of companies, get rejected by others, and end up having to entirely redesign your product in an inefficient manner because some dipstick owns a patent they just sit on.

If we abolish patents innovation will finally be possible.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by ornornor on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @05:13PM (#27977735)
3D printers are a good example that I recently came across.

There is a patent for a 3D printer enclosed in a box. A number of plastics print much better when in an enclosure with no drafts and more easily controllable temperatures.

But instead, 3D printers must be sold and function on their own without a box, to avoid the patent. Enclosures are then sold separately and you end up with a 3D printer in an enclosure anyway, but that doesn’t infringe on the patent… so it’s allowed.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by jacobolus on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:17AM (#27980483)
> 3D printer enclosed in a box [...] instead [...]

I assume you are talking about this Stratasys patent that expired earlier this year, https://patents.google.com/patent/US6722872

> 1. A three-dimensional modeling apparatus comprising a heated build chamber in which three-dimensional objects are built, a base located in the build chamber, a dispensing head for dispensing modeling material onto the base, the dispensing head having a modeling material dispensing outlet inside of the build chamber, and an x-y-z gantry coupled to the dispensing head and to the base for generating relative movement in three-dimensions between the dispensing head and the base, characterized in that: the x-y-z gantry is located external to the build chamber and is separated from the chamber by a deformable thermal insulator. [...]

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by ornornor on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:06AM (#27980666)
Yes that’s the one. I wasn’t aware it expired this year but that’s good news!
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by _def on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:24PM (#27978406)
And also FDM/FFF in general, which has been around since the 90s.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by big_curses on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @05:07PM (#27977675)
Why abolish patents rather than just fix their implementation? Patents are very important. Without them, incentive to bring things to market falls as all your hard work of designing and creating something can just immediately be taken and reused by others. This encourages everyone to sit around and wait for others to make something first, and then punishes the one who does. Why not instead rework patents so that they have to be used continuously to be upheld or increase the stringency of that aspect of them?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by burnished on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @07:12PM (#27978719)
Is there any evidence that this argument is true? It sort of ignores the fact that people do invent, and frequently, almost as a byproduct of being alive. Plus the constant litigation around patents seems to add more friction to the process, preventing people who would materially contribute to the common good by tinkering and inventing.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by Kosirich on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:50AM (#27980972)
Is 20 years a bit much though?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by imtringued on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @05:10PM (#27989756)
I get to see patents expire in my lifetime, that is good enough.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by sandworm101 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:22PM (#27975710)
>> Power. Batteries more specifically. We just don't have a way to power anything

There is progress. Japan has been developing assistance exoskeletons as an answer to elder care problems: power assist devices to allow not-strong people to lift/carry elderly people. Interestingly, much development has gone into pneumatic devices as they are inherently more waterproof than electric.

"In Japan, the commercialization of exoskeletons is already underway. Innophys, a startup founded in 2013 at the Tokyo University of Science, has already dispatched about 1,000 units across the country, in particular to Asahi-Sun, an elderly care supplier. Lighter than ActiveLink's AWN-03, Innophys' Exo-Muscle is a little less quick but offers more flexibility for a similar lifting capacity of 22 to 30 kilos (48 to 66 pounds). But Exo-Muscle uses an entirely different technology: compressed air, which is injected into rubber valves that inflate and contract."

https://worldcrunch.com/tech-science/an-aging-japan-turns-to...

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by azernik on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @06:35AM (#27982261)
That's less about progress, and more about finding applications where it's not a limitation.

Innophys suit has a compressed-air tank with limited endurance, built to be periodically refilled from a stationary compressed-air system on job sites (since those are common in many industrial settings). Notably, their ad copy says: "Simply fill it with air using the supplied pump and it is ready for use. Therefore it can be used anytime, anywhere, for an unlimited amount of time, easily. When the assistive power weakens, just add more air." i.e. you're expected to be able to pump the thing (they include a hand pump as a last resort!) at any time.

The AWN-03, for its part has one set of high-power motors for when it's connected to AC power and a lower-power motor for battery operation; that Panasonic division, in the 5 years since that story was written, discontinued that product and defined down the problem to less power-hungry assist modes, namely short assistance during particularly strenuous motions.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by mojomark on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:48PM (#27976029)
>...Power. Batteries more specifically. We just don't have a way to power anything for very long that doesn't have a cable attached to a wall attached to a power station...

To be clear (not to be snide, just to improve clarity), increased power density is the ability to discharge energy in larger amounts in shorter time periods (think heavy lift olympians). Energy density is the ability to store large amounts of energy for longer periods of time (think long distance runner). Some applications, like cell phones are quite happy with high energy density, but relatively low power density. Others, like an battery-electric drill, need more power density but can offset the low energy density by swapping out batteries and having a rotable pull.

Great idealic batteries for this application would have both large energy and power desnity. I say this because people often overlook "batteries" that people don't refer to ass batteries because they generally don't come in a self-contained cell (they have subsystems that don't benefit much from cellular architectures). Case in point are Hydrogen fuel cells. I'm not saying their better than Li-ion, but they are for certain applications. Often H2 fuel cells are paired with Li-ion batteries or supper capacitors to provide improved power when transient energy bursts are needed. H2 fuel is stored in some tank - perhaps a pressure tank, perhaps in the form of Aluminum and water reaction, or for this application it may likely be some metal hydride that stores H2 'benignly'. However, to your point, even these metal hydrides have a lot of room and potential for improving energy density.

My only point here is that, cureently, the best answer may not be a single cellular battery, but some hybriid of energy storage technologies.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:30PM (#27975119)
I imagine it's part of it, but even when you look at unpowered devices there seems to have been shockingly little innovation when you compare what was available in the 1800s and today. It's still a few flatbars with leather/velcro fasteners, the main improvement has been with materials like carbon fiber to lower the weight but that's about it. There's some interesting patents like air cushions to improve fit and some weight redistribution mechanisms but nothing available for the consumer.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by KONAir on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:03PM (#27975513)
-I have next to no clue what I am talking about- Wouldn't a "wheelchair as powerbank" be the best solution to get people as mobile as possible?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by R0b0t1 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @11:29PM (#27979973)
It's not bad. Then you just have the issue of the cost of the batteries.

It's possible to have the device be corded and stay within a room or set of rooms.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by KONAir on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @04:51AM (#27981662)
I meant more like wheel(?) shop to shop, do the shopping on foot so it charges while wheeling.

Is wheeling the verb for it anyway?

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by anonymousDan on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @04:10PM (#27976981)
I'm sure this has already been thought of but is there much value in using capacitors to capture kinetic energy from the exoskeletons natural movement?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by IshKebab on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:58AM (#27981036)
No there isn't. You'd recover almost no energy.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by AutumnCurtain on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:40PM (#27974472)
I worked in a logistics operation that explored exoskeleton options deeply in 2019. Options were shockingly limited and the best products were not powered in any way - essentially just frames to bolster your body mechanically. Compare to the massive, extremely precise, and power-efficient automated storage and retrieval systems and it just seemed like stone age tech. My takeaway was that powered exoskeleton tech must be vastly more difficult to implement than I'd expected. The financial incentives are there for warehouse and logistics applications, but the tech just isn't.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by modeless on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:18PM (#27974954)
One issue is safety. A powered exoskeleton with any significant fraction of a human's full strength necessarily has the power to maim people including the operator. A robot can just be put in a cage where it can't hurt people, but an exoskeleton can't.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by zeteo on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:27PM (#27975071)
> A robot can just be put in a cage where it can't hurt people, but an exoskeleton can't.

This would have made a great premise for an Asimov story.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by justnotworthit on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:08PM (#27975568)
A robot poses as an exoskeleton to escape captivity?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by michaelt on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:06PM (#27974798)
What sort of power sources do current powered exoskeletons use, and what sort of runtimes do you get?

That's where I'd foresee the limitations - that you'd end up hefting 80 lbs of battery for 20 minutes of operation.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by AutumnCurtain on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:09PM (#27974834)
I haven't been in the industry for a little bit, so I'm sure the tech has evolved, but the versions we evaluated used battery hot-swapping to extend use time. I honestly don't recall how long a single battery ran for. We primarily evaluated them for use for loads that were too light or unwieldy to necessitate a vehicle but which were too heavy for a human worker to regularly lift without risk of injury (so the 75-200lb range)
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by vosper on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:23PM (#27975011)
So it needs power to move the weight of the human, plus 75-200lb? I’m wondering if an exoskeleton that’s only for moving a person about might have a lower power requirement or longer battery life?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by AutumnCurtain on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:31PM (#27975126)
The human bears their own weight, so they need to move the exoskeleton + load. These systems are more like braces you stand in with strong frames and motors to augment your natural lifting motions than "waldo"-style full exoskeletons. In that respect they differ from what would be needed to help a fully disabled person stand.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by dogorman on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:19PM (#27974966)
Might there be merit to a semi-tethered approach? Enough onboard batteries to last a minute or two when you walk to another room, where you promptly plug in again?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by dr_orpheus on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:35PM (#27975172)
Semi-tethered approach would probably be good for being able to use around the house. And I think this would be consistent with other medical equipment. Some people who require oxygen often have a very large oxygen machine at home with a long cord so they can move around the house, but have to carry portable machines when they are not home.

The portable exoskeleton is a pretty big leap though. I think in order to have it be useful anywhere else but at home it would need to be significantly longer on the order of hours. I'm thinking time it takes from getting out of a car to go in to a shop and run an errand and come back (perhaps extra battery packs in the car or a place to recharge from the car)

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by anonymousDan on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @04:07PM (#27976952)
Or for added convenience, what if you had something like a roomba that followed you around the house and plugged in to a socket in the room on one end and to the exoskeleton frame on the other end without any manual intervention on your part?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by dr_orpheus on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @12:20PM (#27985609)
That would be pretty cool. Also made me think of an idea (albient a super unsafe one) of having overhead power to connect to like an electric trolley.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by smoldesu on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:59PM (#27974710)
My grandpa, who died before I was born, was wheelchair-bound for the second half of his life, and I was told that he handled it well, but internally it took an incredible toll on his body. When he finally passed away, they found that his basement was littered with machinery, engines and pre-cut body panels. Apparently, in the last few years of his life he threw himself into the idea of building his own plane to restore his freedom on his own terms.

Bit of a sad story, but it never fails to motivate me past my usual, procrastinating self.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by brodouevencode on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:36PM (#27975184)
It's great that you're using him as a source of inspiration. The power of older role models today has unfortunately been overlooked, but I'm glad you've found it. Keep building.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by agumonkey on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:11PM (#27974852)
I'm near ready to start a workshop, I think we ought to make these kind of things more prevalent, a lot of money is lost on ultra expensive medical devices with really low value (wheelchairs or similar)

giving someone an exoskeleton might be something much more joyful and inspiring than a wheelchair, it can revive your life

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by hnthrowaway353 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @03:19PM (#27976389)
My wife is a wheelchair user and it makes me sad to hear that some think her chair has low value, when it's very valuable to us. She can chase after our 15 month toddler without ever getting tired, she can cruise at 6 mph with no problems, and she's quite happy with her life. An exoskeleton wouldn't let her do any of those things and would significantly reduce her quality of life.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by hutzlibu on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @07:05PM (#27978671)
"An exoskeleton wouldn't let her do any of those things and would significantly reduce her quality of life."

I do not want to talk down on the wheelchair, but what about an exoskeleton as simply another way to get around and do other things, you cannot do in a wheelchair, because not every way is level? That would probably be a further improvement, if the tech would be ready and affordable?

If I ever loose my ability to walk, I really hope walking "wheel"chairs or something like a exoskeleton will be avaiable.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by agumonkey on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @04:08PM (#27976967)
well i'm dumbfounded, I'd honestly thought an exoskeleton would make people like her happier

i never meant to deny your own experience, I was mostly sad about the high cost and limits of a wheel chair.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by BadCookie on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @07:46PM (#27978929)
A wheelchair can be much better than nothing and still be far inferior to a potential exoskeleton. I use a wheelchair whenever I leave the house, and I am not a fan. There are so many places I cannot go: anywhere that requires stairs, the beach and most other places that are unpaved, anywhere without curb cuts, any foreign country that doesn’t have accessibility laws, anywhere with a hill that’s even a little bit steep. I would happily pay $100k for a really great exoskeleton (if what’s in my imagination could be made real, anyway).
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by agumonkey on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:32AM (#27980535)
Well the goal wa actually turn potential into reality. I completely agree with your argument
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by burnished on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @07:17PM (#27978746)
you didn't say anything wrong, it is a throw away account making claims about how a technology that doesn't exist would definitely decrease quality of life.. I wouldn't put too much stock in what they say.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by hnthrowaway353 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @07:49PM (#27978943)
I'm just relaying my wife's opinion. She's kinda tired of people presuming that her life isn't great because she's in a wheelchair and that everything would be better if she could walk.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by hnthrowaway353 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @07:46PM (#27978927)
UC San Francisco used to run disability inspiration porn ads showing a plodding exoskeleton that would go about maybe 1 mi/day? My wife would joke that in the time it would take the exoskeleton to get her to the front door, she could used her power chair to walk to Starbucks, order breakfast, and bring it home. Has society put limits on what she can do in her chair due to crappy architecture, yes. Would a practical exoskeleton fix that, we doubt it.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by throwaway-571 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @07:01AM (#27982414)
What about an exoskeleton with retractable wheels, that had motion powered or rollerblade style? I remember seeing a video of a robot that switched from quadruped/hexapod walking motion to sway like a rollerblade / skater.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by throwaway-571 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @07:10AM (#27982469)
Have you looked at the robots out of boston dynamics? They look more mobile than a lot of non-handicapped people. Maybe another avenue is smart physical assistants instead of just exoskeletons, "i, Robot (2004)" style.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by dalbasal on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:10PM (#27975586)
I think both exoskeletons and prosthetics suffer from similar issues. To reach affordability, you need unit volume. To get unit volume, you need an initial user segment capable of paying what such a device currently costs. In computing, for example, there's always someone willing to pay for bleeding edge, which then paves the way to price reduction. With these, there just isn't much daylight between prices where basically no one can afford it, and prices where everyone who needs one can.

People like you are the best hope. Independent inventors aren't bound by manufacturing economics.

Side question: how much power does it take to run existing, mobility oriented exoskeletons?

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by kelnos on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:34PM (#27975855)
I imagine new medical tech is usually covered by insurance, which makes it possible for people to afford it initially (and even later, when the device is more at scale), but I expect it's really hard to get insurance companies (in the US at least) to consider covering new things, especially when there is a cheaper alternative.

I imagine an insurance company is heartless enough to believe that a much cheaper wheelchair is "good enough" and there's "no reason" to pay the hefty costs for an experimental exoskeleton.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by arpafaucon on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @05:12PM (#27989780)
I live in the EU, and I surprised to discover that insurance companies themselves are interested in funding those exos themselves. The total medical bill of a paraplegic person a or the course of its whole life can get very high. Recent clinical studies appear to show that time spent standing could really improve the health, to a point that "investing" into an exo for their patients could become worth it.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by namlem on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:45PM (#27975316)
Some of the unpowered exoskeletons are pretty impressive, and all things considered, $10-20k isn't that crazy a price. After all, they are not really being mass produced, and are pretty complex mechanical systems. I'd love to see a big company like Caterpillar get on board and start pumping them out for construction purposes.

The powered ones are still too expensive for anything but the most niche applications sadly.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by regularfry on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:47PM (#27974576)
Size variation, maybe? If you're building an industrial robot you control the size precisely, but if you've got to make everything variable - and not just variable, but to be as comfortable as clothes - I can see that throwing a hell of a lot of complexity into the mix.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by hinkley on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:14PM (#27974897)
I mean in theory the motors and controllers are identical across all builds, but since the length of the rotating pieces is variable, the angles of rotation might remain the same but the leverage and hence the torque vary by quite a bit. Bigger people have longer limbs, and bigger people also weigh more.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by mustafa_pasi on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:59PM (#27975470)
If you don't already you should document your project on Youtube. It's a super cool project and I'm sure you can even get lots of Patreon sponsors that way and even commercial ones probably.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by seph-reed on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:48PM (#27975362)
Just for the love of ideating: if ones arms were working, it seems like there may be some way of essentially diverting arm strength between movement, and handling.

Kind of like picking up one leg at a time with your arm, while the other stays locked through some ratchet system.

It's just a hazy idea, but it could definitely help with the power issue. It's pretty much the same principle as a wheel chair in that regard.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by giantg2 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:42PM (#27974505)
I've always wanted to make one that fits like spandex and uses things that mimic anatomical function, like nitinol wires to mimic muscle.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:02PM (#27974748)
Oh that's interesting, I use a spandex-like component inside the frame but only to hold electromyography (EMG) electrodes against the leg. I reckon you'd still need a support structure to hold the 50-100kg of weight of the user though.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by giantg2 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:07PM (#27974808)
That, or leverage the existing bone. It may even be possible to leverage counter force of the opposing "muscle groups" of nitinol wire using some sort of artificial joint designed to take advantage of it.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by yupper32 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:51PM (#27974617)
In order to mimic muscle wouldn't you need the wires physically attached to your body somehow? Getting leverage with a spandex like material doesn't sound possible.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by giantg2 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:04PM (#27974764)
Yes, the nitinol is not the only component. You would need things to mimic other pieces of the system, like tendons and a way to anchor them to false structures or utilize existing bone.

I mentioned fitting similar to spandex because all these other suits are bulky. Sure, this system would still have bulk, but it should be more conforming than mechanical legs that sit several inches outside of the person's natural legs. Good luck fitting on public transportation, airplanes, or even walking through a 32" door if you were a bigger person to start with.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by wizzwizz4 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:47PM (#27974572)
I imagine that wouldn't be very powerful.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by giantg2 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:49PM (#27974593)
Why?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by wizzwizz4 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:15PM (#27974913)
Reasons others have brought up, and that you have addressed. (Unfortunately I can't delete my comment.)
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by Fiahil on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:16PM (#27975649)
Have you seen what this, from a few years ago ? Your project is different, but it can be a good inspiration !

https://www.ted.com/talks/hugh_herr_the_new_bionics_that_let...

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by hinkley on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:17PM (#27974941)
We live in a world where prices are usually set by the constraints of mass production. We have trouble accepting the cost of custom-made things. Hearing aids can be ridiculously expensive. Custom keyboards at least are not quite so ridiculous.

Now that some of the earbud manufacturers are dabbling in processing of environmental sound, some people may be able to use consumer grade equipment, particularly younger Boomers and older Gen-Xers, due more to stigma than anything else.

Unfortunately that probably reduces volume of product for everyone else, keeping the mean price roughly the same but jacking up the high end.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by justinclift on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:24PM (#27975034)
What's the control method you've been using? eg for input to direct the actions
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:37PM (#27975202)
None, it's not the exact same problem in that I have control of my legs just not enough to walk with them or support my weight.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by kelnos on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:39PM (#27975917)
I think that maybe highlights another difficulty here: there isn't really a one-size-fits-all solution. Some people will need full support, and others will need more of an assist. Not sure both of those things can (or should) be served by the same device. But as soon as you have to build different things for different cases, that drives the cost up, both in R&D and in manufacturing (it's cheaper to build 1000 of one thing than 500 each of two things).