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Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by the_lonely_road on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:58PM (#27974691)
My understanding is its the same thing limiting everything else. Power. Batteries more specifically. We just don't have a way to power anything for very long that doesn't have a cable attached to a wall attached to a power station. Honestly the ability for humans (and other living creatures) to just DO SO MUCH on just a little bio mass each day is astounding.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by devwastaken on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:25PM (#27975038)
Don't forget patents. You yourself can create whatever you want, but the second you want to sell it you have to have a patent law firm scour over everything, pay dozens of companies, get rejected by others, and end up having to entirely redesign your product in an inefficient manner because some dipstick owns a patent they just sit on.

If we abolish patents innovation will finally be possible.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by ornornor on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @05:13PM (#27977735)
3D printers are a good example that I recently came across.

There is a patent for a 3D printer enclosed in a box. A number of plastics print much better when in an enclosure with no drafts and more easily controllable temperatures.

But instead, 3D printers must be sold and function on their own without a box, to avoid the patent. Enclosures are then sold separately and you end up with a 3D printer in an enclosure anyway, but that doesn’t infringe on the patent… so it’s allowed.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by jacobolus on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:17AM (#27980483)
> 3D printer enclosed in a box [...] instead [...]

I assume you are talking about this Stratasys patent that expired earlier this year, https://patents.google.com/patent/US6722872

> 1. A three-dimensional modeling apparatus comprising a heated build chamber in which three-dimensional objects are built, a base located in the build chamber, a dispensing head for dispensing modeling material onto the base, the dispensing head having a modeling material dispensing outlet inside of the build chamber, and an x-y-z gantry coupled to the dispensing head and to the base for generating relative movement in three-dimensions between the dispensing head and the base, characterized in that: the x-y-z gantry is located external to the build chamber and is separated from the chamber by a deformable thermal insulator. [...]

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by ornornor on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:06AM (#27980666)
Yes that’s the one. I wasn’t aware it expired this year but that’s good news!
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by _def on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:24PM (#27978406)
And also FDM/FFF in general, which has been around since the 90s.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by big_curses on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @05:07PM (#27977675)
Why abolish patents rather than just fix their implementation? Patents are very important. Without them, incentive to bring things to market falls as all your hard work of designing and creating something can just immediately be taken and reused by others. This encourages everyone to sit around and wait for others to make something first, and then punishes the one who does. Why not instead rework patents so that they have to be used continuously to be upheld or increase the stringency of that aspect of them?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by burnished on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @07:12PM (#27978719)
Is there any evidence that this argument is true? It sort of ignores the fact that people do invent, and frequently, almost as a byproduct of being alive. Plus the constant litigation around patents seems to add more friction to the process, preventing people who would materially contribute to the common good by tinkering and inventing.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by Kosirich on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:50AM (#27980972)
Is 20 years a bit much though?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by imtringued on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @05:10PM (#27989756)
I get to see patents expire in my lifetime, that is good enough.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by sandworm101 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:22PM (#27975710)
>> Power. Batteries more specifically. We just don't have a way to power anything

There is progress. Japan has been developing assistance exoskeletons as an answer to elder care problems: power assist devices to allow not-strong people to lift/carry elderly people. Interestingly, much development has gone into pneumatic devices as they are inherently more waterproof than electric.

"In Japan, the commercialization of exoskeletons is already underway. Innophys, a startup founded in 2013 at the Tokyo University of Science, has already dispatched about 1,000 units across the country, in particular to Asahi-Sun, an elderly care supplier. Lighter than ActiveLink's AWN-03, Innophys' Exo-Muscle is a little less quick but offers more flexibility for a similar lifting capacity of 22 to 30 kilos (48 to 66 pounds). But Exo-Muscle uses an entirely different technology: compressed air, which is injected into rubber valves that inflate and contract."

https://worldcrunch.com/tech-science/an-aging-japan-turns-to...

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by azernik on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @06:35AM (#27982261)
That's less about progress, and more about finding applications where it's not a limitation.

Innophys suit has a compressed-air tank with limited endurance, built to be periodically refilled from a stationary compressed-air system on job sites (since those are common in many industrial settings). Notably, their ad copy says: "Simply fill it with air using the supplied pump and it is ready for use. Therefore it can be used anytime, anywhere, for an unlimited amount of time, easily. When the assistive power weakens, just add more air." i.e. you're expected to be able to pump the thing (they include a hand pump as a last resort!) at any time.

The AWN-03, for its part has one set of high-power motors for when it's connected to AC power and a lower-power motor for battery operation; that Panasonic division, in the 5 years since that story was written, discontinued that product and defined down the problem to less power-hungry assist modes, namely short assistance during particularly strenuous motions.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by mojomark on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:48PM (#27976029)
>...Power. Batteries more specifically. We just don't have a way to power anything for very long that doesn't have a cable attached to a wall attached to a power station...

To be clear (not to be snide, just to improve clarity), increased power density is the ability to discharge energy in larger amounts in shorter time periods (think heavy lift olympians). Energy density is the ability to store large amounts of energy for longer periods of time (think long distance runner). Some applications, like cell phones are quite happy with high energy density, but relatively low power density. Others, like an battery-electric drill, need more power density but can offset the low energy density by swapping out batteries and having a rotable pull.

Great idealic batteries for this application would have both large energy and power desnity. I say this because people often overlook "batteries" that people don't refer to ass batteries because they generally don't come in a self-contained cell (they have subsystems that don't benefit much from cellular architectures). Case in point are Hydrogen fuel cells. I'm not saying their better than Li-ion, but they are for certain applications. Often H2 fuel cells are paired with Li-ion batteries or supper capacitors to provide improved power when transient energy bursts are needed. H2 fuel is stored in some tank - perhaps a pressure tank, perhaps in the form of Aluminum and water reaction, or for this application it may likely be some metal hydride that stores H2 'benignly'. However, to your point, even these metal hydrides have a lot of room and potential for improving energy density.

My only point here is that, cureently, the best answer may not be a single cellular battery, but some hybriid of energy storage technologies.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:30PM (#27975119)
I imagine it's part of it, but even when you look at unpowered devices there seems to have been shockingly little innovation when you compare what was available in the 1800s and today. It's still a few flatbars with leather/velcro fasteners, the main improvement has been with materials like carbon fiber to lower the weight but that's about it. There's some interesting patents like air cushions to improve fit and some weight redistribution mechanisms but nothing available for the consumer.
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by KONAir on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:03PM (#27975513)
-I have next to no clue what I am talking about- Wouldn't a "wheelchair as powerbank" be the best solution to get people as mobile as possible?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by R0b0t1 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @11:29PM (#27979973)
It's not bad. Then you just have the issue of the cost of the batteries.

It's possible to have the device be corded and stay within a room or set of rooms.

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by KONAir on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @04:51AM (#27981662)
I meant more like wheel(?) shop to shop, do the shopping on foot so it charges while wheeling.

Is wheeling the verb for it anyway?

Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by anonymousDan on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @04:10PM (#27976981)
I'm sure this has already been thought of but is there much value in using capacitors to capture kinetic energy from the exoskeletons natural movement?
Re:Father builds exoskeleton to help wheelchair-bound son walk by IshKebab on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:58AM (#27981036)
No there isn't. You'd recover almost no energy.