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Re:Reclaim Windows10 by anaisbetts on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @09:51AM (#27354458)
Nearly all of these "clean up" scripts are a horrendous idea to run on your machine, I see right at the top that this script disables SmartScreen, a service that absolutely should not be disabled unless you want your machine to get owned.

It then proceeds to set your current network as Private (aka "open all the ports") regardless of which network you're connected to - hope you're at home! Other changes are completely superfluous, like disabling "3D Objects" which has already been disabled in the latest Windows version

Just don't run this stuff.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by tux3 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:19AM (#27354890)
Sadly, this is an expected consequence of the aggressive monetization, telemetry, and other tracking that ships with the OS.

When you make it hard to trust the system, people will look at any component that seems unnecessary. They might not know what it is, but they don't trust it anymore. So it might as well get disabled. You know, to be safe.

But at the end of the day I suppose it's only a small percent of users, isn't it? I'm sure the aggressive push for automatic updates — replacing the "Cancel" button by "Maybe Later", and the "Maybe Later" by "You have 2 minutes" — has worked miracles.

So I think we can expect more of this in the future, and the scripts will get even more paranoid in response. What an antagonistic situation.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by Arainach on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:17AM (#27355725)
This class of user has always been doing such silly things long before "monetization". There were plenty of guides for Windows XP and Vista claiming to "increase performance" by disabling things like the indexer (fun fact, that will TANK your performance in a variety of areas), the Cryptographic services, and more. They never had any trust to violate, only a strange (and completely incorrect) sense that they knew more than the engineers who built the OS in the first place.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by sumtechguy on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:01PM (#27356628)
In Vista RTM and sp1 turning off indexer was a great solution. It was monster on the drive and memory (5-10 min startups on computers that should be up in 30-60 seconds and were after you turned things like that off). They fixed it in sp2. Superfetch was just as bad as well as the windows defender. Most of that was fixed in win7. I now let all 3 of those services run. The issues were fixed...

The problem is these 'solutions' never go away. They are never revisited. So people just keep applying them because 15 years ago they had an issue with them.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by rasz on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:49PM (#27358491)
but why would you let indexer run at all when Everything (https://www.voidtools.com) runs faster, is more accurate, and is a small standalone executable?
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by OrvalWintermute on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:50PM (#27359467)
In general I do not like Microsoft's integrated indexer because I noticed it really slowed down performance, and seemed to hog memory.

Appreciate the utility you pointed out, will happily look into it.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @10:41AM (#27369239)
They are completely different products. Everything searches just file names, while Windows indexer also searches file contents. It is a much more time consuming task.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by abrookewood on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:09PM (#27364364)
Please try Everything if you have never tried it before. It is BLAZINGLY fast. From memory it runs off the File Allocation Table to achieve its speed.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by 112233 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:17AM (#27367317)
Looks like it still needs to build index of file names for searching.

If you need to search local ntfs drive, try https://sourceforge.net/projects/swiftsearch/

It does not build any indexes, and always shows up to date results (by scanning MFT)

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by rasz on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:46AM (#27394118)
It doesnt, running it in the background to build up cache is optional.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by tored on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:39PM (#27357286)
Oh memories, Windows 98 Lite. Removed IE and replaced explorer.exe with the binary that was shipped with Windows 95.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by hestefisk on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:43PM (#27357395)
Aah yes. Oh the joy of disabling Active Desktop :)
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by kaetemi on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:36PM (#27357240)
Still seeing more issues with the indexer on than when it's off. With the indexer on, searching for a file in a directory structure with only a couple hundred files easily takes minutes for some reason. No idea how that thing is supposed to be helping, really. My custom search tool that just iteratively scans folders is practically instant.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by bckr on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:42PM (#27357358)
is that because it's searching inside the files for keywords, while your tool only looks at filenames?
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by kaetemi on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:51PM (#27357532)
Possible. Although having Notepad++ do a content search is still faster. The Windows search usually just hangs with zero results for quite a while. Can find it faster by browsing manually.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by serf on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @08:42PM (#27363410)
>They never had any trust to violate, only a strange (and completely incorrect) sense that they knew more than the engineers who built the OS in the first place.

So regardless of the metrics that support such practice, and casting aside the thousands of people that have routinely seen benefit from the practice, Windows can't be optimized further by the end-user?

As someone who has never encountered a well optimized Microsoft product, and as someone who has routinely had to modify their off-the-shell installs, color me suspicious.

(Agreed, the shady practices and over-zealous disabling of services should stop; but come on -- the end user occasionally understands what they need to do better than the engineer that sold them a generic tool to facilitate generic computer-enabled work.)

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by vbezhenar on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:39AM (#27356180)
Dell Optimizer tweaks some stuff in OS. Worst of all: it does not even ask whether I want it, it just does it automatically.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by fomine3 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @04:03AM (#27366146)
Don't forget "Memory Optimizer" on XP era that just page out program/cache!
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by swiley on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:16AM (#27355700)
I've noticed this on iOS too. There are scams out there that encourage users to install root CA certs in order to jailbreak or get access to non-AppStore apps (this used to be required by one method.)

I don't know what happened to the idea of user friendly software respecting the intentions of a user. Modern OSes really are effectively just well funded socially acceptable malware.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by slver on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:17AM (#27355717)
Look Windows has couple of odd settings, but the defaults are just fine. Some people will find reasons to tweak even if there's nothing to tweak. Been there in my teen years, but I grew up.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by nojito on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:13AM (#27355611)
No this is a consequence of horrendous fear mongering in the tech community.

Privacy scripts are a very common attack vector due to their popularity these days.

Not to mention that the benefits of these “tweaks” is negligible at best.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by e3bc54b2 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:45AM (#27355191)
Well, the "Smart" screen says that WinMerge and KDiff3 are malwares.

Naturally I trust both of them more than so called SmartScreen because unlike Smartscreen, I can inspect their code. Yes, the binaries can contain malware, but the first principles tell me that trustability score is inverse of what is being reported by MS.

Naturally I have disabled Smartscreen and Windows defender and admin rights alerts and bajilion things that internet gurus will tell me not to because I don't know what's good for me. Needless to say, my PC runs faster, calmer and is actually malware free because I don't run unauditable things like Smartscreen on it.

Edit: I get WinMerge binary from GitHub repo, and KDiff3 from official website. As trusted as it can get, short of compiling myself.

This is a work machine so I can't control most of Windows behavior. Personal machine runs NixOS for 90% tasks + Windows dual boot for games without connecting to network because I can't be bothered with disabling Smartscreen and defender every other week.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by cptskippy on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:48AM (#27355218)
> Well, the "Smart" screen says that WinMerge and KDiff3 are malwares.

I've got WinMerge installed on my machines and I've never had that issue. Are you sure you're using trusted sources?

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by e3bc54b2 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:29AM (#27355970)
I got Winmerge binary directly from GitHub repo. As trusted as it gets, short of compiling myself.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by lghh on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:45AM (#27356322)
> Naturally I trust both of them more than so called SmartScreen because unlike Smartscreen, I can inspect their code.

> I got Winmerge binary directly from GitHub repo. As trusted as it gets, short of compiling myself.

So, you don't actually know what code you're running and that binary actually could be malware.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by e3bc54b2 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:53AM (#27356470)
Yes, and original comment addresses that. In theory WinMerge binary can contain malware. But WinMerge authors have a proven track record against that and they are transparent about working of their application enough through their source. MS and Smartscreen do not have that track record, and IMO have an opposite kind of record with all kind of map/adware practices throughout the system and applications.

So if an untrusted source tells me that a usually varifuably trustable source is not to be trusted, whom do I trust more?

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by cptskippy on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @04:24PM (#27360785)
> So if an untrusted source tells me that a usually varifuably trustable source is not to be trusted, whom do I trust more?

I honestly don't understand how you've made this an adversarial situation. It's almost as if you take offense to Smartscreen telling you it doesn't trust your binary.

The system is pretty straight forward, Smartscreen checks the file source against a list of known bad actors. If there's a hit it's saying "I can't vouch for this".

I checked and WinMerge isn't flagged in Smartscreen. The publisher however does not use a signing certificate which results in a UAC prompt.

In any case neither of these features prevent installation, they're just warnings you can circumvent.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by fomine3 on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @04:05AM (#27366159)
If you don't trust SmartScreen, you'll also don't trust Windows, so using Windows is the problem rather than SmartScreen.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by shawnz on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:38AM (#27356164)
Smartscreen does not tell you that WinMerge is malware. It correctly tells you that the freshly compiled build from GitHub is not a commonly used software which makes it more likely to be dangerous. How is that a bad feature to have?
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by e3bc54b2 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:50AM (#27356406)
How is that a good feature? Just because something is not commonly used it stops being good? When most software was proprietary and FLOSS was nascent, MS argued that FLOSS was bad, was that right?

Conversely, just because something is used more, does that get the automatic stamp of approval? More than 2 Billion people use Facebook every month, do you consider FB to be more likely to be good for someone? What kind of messed up logic is that?

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by shawnz on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:04PM (#27356661)
No. Smartscreen is not meant to single-handedly solve the entire problem of malware. It is just meant to warn you when you are running software that isn't commonly used. It is nothing more than an attempt to provide the user with a useful heuristic. It does not make moral judgements about the software you use like you are saying here.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by delusional on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:03PM (#27357758)
Only warning people when it isn't common used is a judgment. Why is software that isn't commonly used a danger? Where do you set the limit? Is infrequently used software signed by Microsoft dangerous?

Showing a warning about anything is not value neutral. Showing a popup for infrequently used software says that you value number of users as a measure of software quality.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by jcelerier on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:17PM (#27356904)
But this is empirically not a good heuristic ?
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by kuratkull on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @12:43PM (#27370858)
It usually makes you have a quick rundown about what you are trying to run. If it's some software I got from the projects original GitHub page I make a note of that and proceed. If it's something that should surely not be "rarely used" (eg. A browser,video player,torrent client, etc) I think twice.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by specialp on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:01AM (#27355396)
That is fine but probably not good for most users. It is easy to tell it not to filter those apps. You can make exceptions. Just shutting it off totally is like changing a router to allow all ports and traffic in because it blocked a port you were using vs making a firewall rule.

Like I found that SmartScreen and defender blocked my ethminer but that is in general pretty smart because it is common to have it unwittingly installed, and I simply said it is OK to run.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by imwillofficial on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:18PM (#27356927)
“ I don't run unauditable things like Smartscreen on it.” You mean, like Windows?
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by nightski on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:06AM (#27355480)
I use both of these and have never received a malware indication. Sounds fishy.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by JacobiX on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:15AM (#27355679)
For WinMerge it should be noted that some web-sites out-there offer winmerge binaries for download and I bet that some of them are bundled with spyware (they are not affiliated with the official version, but even my tech-savvy friend was about to download winmerge the other day from a non official source, I noticed him that he should use winmerge.org).
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by e3bc54b2 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:28AM (#27355943)
I get the binaries from GitHub repo directly.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by TimTheTinker on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:00AM (#27355371)
It sounds like you, sir or madam, need to get rid of Windows entirely. May I suggest macOS (and Parallels running Ubuntu Linux if you like WSL)?
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by hnlmorg on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:12AM (#27355603)
macOS isn't any better in that regard. Some software takes 30+ seconds of Apple "verifying" before the application is even launched.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by duskwuff on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @03:42PM (#27360186)
This usually comes up as a problem when you try running a large application from a compressed disk image.

Copy the application out of the disk image first. Verifying the application (and running it) will be much faster.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by hnlmorg on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @08:20PM (#27363262)
Honestly, I'd rather disable that feature entirely. It adds zero value for engineers like us.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by imwillofficial on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:20PM (#27356947)
Besides the recent outage snafu, when does this happen? I haven’t seen it.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by e3bc54b2 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:27AM (#27355931)
This is a work machine. My personal laptop runs NixOS.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by as1mov on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:28AM (#27355011)
I haven't used Windows for a long time but a look at the script makes me think people wouldn't be resorting to such measures if Microsoft wasn't including stupid crap in their operating system.

> Disabling Telemetry breaks Windows updates

> Automatic web searches in start menu

> Application suggestions are silently installed (wat?)

> Allow MS to collect activity history

> Location tracking

> Map updates (who the fuck uses maps on a PC?)

> Tailored experiences (apparently spamming ads on a desktop OS is an experience)

> Advertising ID

> Cortana

This is just from skimming the list for 5 minutes. Not even sure what else is in there.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by dawnerd on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:38AM (#27355111)
macOS has a lot of this too. It’s weird Apple seems to get a pass but Microsoft gets attacked. (Ads in start is a huge problem though).
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by pessimizer on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:45AM (#27355194)
> Apple seems to get a pass

Seems to who?

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by rsynnott on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:14AM (#27355639)
... I don't think MacOS has _any_ of this? Besides Siri and telemetry, but it asks you on installation if you want to enable those.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by dawnerd on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:40AM (#27356194)
Siri/spotlight does web searches, maps are included, location tracking baked in under the disguise of find-my (Microsoft also has a find-my alternative), there is an advertiser id built into mac toohttps://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidenti...

Really the only thing different is Apple has made it seem beneficial to users where Microsoft just comes off spammy.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by rsynnott on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:46AM (#27356330)
That stuff is all optional and off-by-default, though; you have to either say yes on installation or opt in afterwards.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by dawnerd on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:12PM (#27356813)
It's not all optional and off by default... They only ask about sending debug data to app developers, siri, and I believe find-my. Apple is a little worse since they try to force you into entering your credit cards for Apple pay.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by vetinari on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @04:34PM (#27360912)
> They only ask about sending debug data to app developers

They ask two questions:

* send telemetry to Apple;

* allow sharing telemetry with app developers.

If you don't agree with the first one, the second one is grayed out.

wrt advertiserid, that's iOS/iPadOS only, on macOS it retuns zero-filled UUID.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by dawnerd on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:10PM (#27362084)
Good catch on the macos advertiser id. It's just a matter of time for it to actually work as expected though.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by rsynnott on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:03PM (#27362591)
> It's just a matter of time for it to actually work as expected though.

Eh, I mean they just recently made it effectively useless on iOS (requires a prompt before it works; unsurprisingly very few users give permission). Not sure why they'd go the other direction on MacOS... I suspect it's just there for Catalyst compatibility.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by MisterTea on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:19PM (#27356933)
> Map updates (who the fuck uses maps on a PC?)

Who doesn't?

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by bloqs on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:33PM (#27357182)
Using google maps on a pc is one thing

Using bing maps via the bloatware app... not used by ordinary people.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by MisterTea on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:50PM (#27357521)
Ah, bing maps.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by imwillofficial on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:22PM (#27356982)
Everyone
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by sedatk on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:14PM (#27356847)
Microsoft already asks you to enable/disable these features on first setup.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by zamadatix on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:38PM (#27357264)
Not quite for a lot of it - e.g. it asks if you want to use Cortana as your personal assistant but selecting no isn't the same as disabling it (integrated into start menu functionality) or when it asks if you want to opt into telemetry and you uncheck it you're not saying "no telemetry" by unchecking it you're saying "basic telemetry only".
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by vetinari on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @04:35PM (#27360927)
No, it only pretends to, it doesn't disable them.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by black3r on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:22AM (#27354921)
Just as the note from the author says: Never run scripts without reading and understanding what they do.

This is an outdated fork of a configurable script that I use to do initial config of my windows 10 machines. But I've created my own config saying which functions to run and which not to run based on reading what each function actually does. I'm an IT pro, I knew how to do most of these tweaks in windows settings or group policy, but it's still easier to just run a script than to perform hundreds of clicks, especially when the settings get reorganized in every other windows update.

And as this is HN, I expect lots of people here being IT pros, so I would correct you here: Don't run this stuff if you don't understand what it does.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by 2ion on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:06AM (#27354698)
Just not this stuff, any stuff without review. A lot of Windows advice has sadly always been the equivalent of curl | sudo bash - and the culture proliferates this practice. But it also highlights that Windows 10 is unusable without Group Policy, which is an almost sane interface for Windows "tweaks". Windows editions without full group policy support are essentially garbage.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:38AM (#27356167)
To me, I'd never run someone's prefab cleanup script, but I find this script really nice because it's documented, categorized, and there's a lot of useful PowerShell in here, if you're looking for specific things. There's plenty of commands in here I use, and plenty I'd like to... along with quite a few I definitely would not.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by ziml77 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:38AM (#27355116)
They're not a horrendous idea. This is forked off of the script that I've been using for years. All of the settings it touches are very clear since each change it makes is configured right up front.

I purposely disable SmartScreen because I don't need information about applications I'm running shipped off to Microsoft. Setting the current network to private is handy after a first-time install since Windows often doesn't prompt and defaults to public.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by chaosite on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:55AM (#27356506)
I mean, sure, SmartScreen is an important security service that should not be disabled if you're OK with hashes of every executable you run being transmitted to Microsoft.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by hughrr on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @09:56AM (#27354540)
Totally agree with this. I’ve not seen one of these things that isn’t seriously dangerous to run.

As with all these things, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, apparently by tinfoil hatted nut jobs who don’t understand the problem domain well enough to be making decisions for people who know even less than they do.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by mipsi on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:02PM (#27357740)
This criticism is a bit unfair. It's a gist on github, which you are supposed to read and understand as the author states in his opening disclaimer. The statement for enabling SmartScreen is also included. And no, your machine gets not owned when you disable SmartScreen - there are other protective measures you can take.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by josephcsible on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:31PM (#27357146)
I agree with most of what you said, but this is just totally false:

> SmartScreen, a service that absolutely should not be disabled unless you want your machine to get owned

It's not hard for people, especially ones who read HN, to be perfectly safe with SmartScreen disabled.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by stevenhuang on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:41AM (#27355143)
> service that absolutely should not be disabled unless you want your machine to get owned.

SmartScreen sends all your file hashes and unique computer info to Microsoft. If you're not stepping into weird links and running weird executables it's really not doing much for you.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by smaudet on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:58AM (#27355347)
Could not disagree more, SmartScreen is a horrendous idea.

You should only be installing verified trusted apps you can verify the sources or hash for, farming this out to a third party, even if its MS, is a great way to open yourself up to watering hole attacks.

Furthermore, you are encouraging poor user behaviour with "oh man this app said my app is good" and then ending up with all manner of poorly vetted bloatware, not to mention antitrust and legal issues.

Really it should be possible to completely remove and/or replace this whole component.

As for network, why aren't running from behind a properly secured connection? That's just bad practice. If you want to connect from a coffeeshop or whatever, set your firewall to block everything by default.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by camgunz on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:13AM (#27354801)
Thanks for the info; I've been concerned enough about Windows 10 telemetry (etc.) to avoid it, and when I saw this script I thought "ohhh maybe I can just do this?"--so you saved me.

Do you have a rec or a resource? I haven't looked seriously at this so if it's just like "google it" mea culpa, but it seems like there's a lot of misinformation and what not out there. I saw "O&O ShutUp10" in a sibling thread?

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by anaisbetts on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:24AM (#27354951)
I think I would think about specific Windows Telemetry that you want to disable and more importantly, why (i.e. "What's the Threat Model around Microsoft knowing this"). Because the vast majority of the telemetry collected by Windows is simply to make Windows work better - things like "Upgrade failed because $REASON" or "$DRIVER is causing performance problems".

You can see a lot of the kinds of telemetry that Windows is interested in if you go to Event Viewer => Application Logs => Microsoft => Windows, if you read it you see that it's like, Google Lighthouse style stuff, to make Windows faster and more reliable

Use these scripts to figure out the kinds of things you don't want to run, then make really targeted "Disable This" choices

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by WorldMaker on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:11PM (#27356800)
Developers can also enable the Diagnostic Data Viewer and directly see all the telemetry events that Windows sends in the JSON forms that it sends them: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/diagnostic-...
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by philliphaydon on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:29AM (#27355019)
I don’t have a problem with the telemetry on windows. I’m unsure why everyone gets so upset. MS isn’t collecting stuff to shove advertising down our throat. It’s getting usage to figure out what’s wrong with windows and make it better. As you say.

I have issue with Facebook and Google blatantly collecting whatever they can to build profiles of us all to shove advertising down our throat that isn’t even relevant to us.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by ptomato on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:20PM (#27356958)
> MS isn’t collecting stuff to shove advertising down our throat

maybe if MS wanted people to believe that, they wouldn't put so much advertising in their OS

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by philliphaydon on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:08PM (#27357829)
I’ve to this day never seen any advertising in windows. Must be something only in America. :/

Edit: (seen the articles about it but never actually seen it in Windows)

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by black3r on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:32AM (#27355052)
The thing is this script is not only about telemetry, but also about disabling some annoyances that are especially annoying in server or workstation environment.

I don't think there's an up to date resource describing all these tweaks. My recommendations:

- Use the original script, it's slightly more up to date, last update was in november 2020: https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script - Read it's library of tweaks, especially the notes about potential unwanted side effects in comments. If you don't understand what each feature does, google it. The tweaks are grouped. - Don't enable any tweak where you don't understand what it does, especially in the security and network tweaks categories.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by windthrown on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:23PM (#27357010)
I use O&O ShutUp10 and it is much more approachable. Rather than immediately enabling and blocking settings, ShutUp10 gives you recommendations and you can reasearch individual settings you aren't sure of.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by hparadiz on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @11:47AM (#27356345)
I've been using these scripts on my boxes for years now with no issues. Maybe don't make assumptions about people's use cases?
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by emptysongglass on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:21PM (#27362207)
I agree. If you want a stripped down Windows use Windows 10 LTSC. It's everything anyone wants from Windows without any of the cruft. I'm a Linux person but when I installed LTSC for my wife all her complaints about sudden reboots and other unwanted behavior evaporated.

Makes you wonder why they bother with any other Windows.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by avereveard on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:58AM (#27355352)
most of these things also look for registry file entries that point to non existing files and they have no regards for parametric entries (i.e. c:\users\{current}\blah) so they wreak havoc on your installed services and applications.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by skjoldr on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:41PM (#27358352)
Is there any use for SmartScreen when running a proper antivirus, as you should?
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by majkinetor on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:47PM (#27357452)
Your comment is absolute nonsense.

You can't say anything like that without context.

SmartScreen and defender are the first things to go on my machine as they slow down computer at least by the factor of 2, if not more.

People on HN generally don't need babysitting!. Know where you are.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by DeliriumTrigger on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:18PM (#27358003)
You complain about nonsense and than go forward and spread some on your own. You saying that SmartScreen and Defender slows down a Windows machine by a factor of 2 just makes you a nonsense clown.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by majkinetor on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:23PM (#27358096)
Yes, I was wrong - its not by a factor of 2, more like a factor or 3 to 5. The best way to make your computer age 10 years in a second is to enable ANY antivirus. There are so many places that you can check that out if you didn't experience it, or u need me to LMGTFY ?
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by tomnipotent on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:09PM (#27358803)
So you decide to double down on your wrongness? Windows Defender has a marginal impact on performance, such that for most users and most tasks it's not even perceptible.

> need me to LMGTFY

You've provided zero evidence to the contrary. The burden of proof is on you.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by majkinetor on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:30PM (#27359166)
Here is 1 for you:

> As far as I can tell, as long as Windows Defender (and presumably other A/V scanners) are running, there's no way to make the Windows I/O APIs consistently fast.

https://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2021/04/06/surprisingly-slow/

This is really even a common knowledge - if you did ANY IT work, you should already know it. I can't count the number of times when server wasn't working correctly when it turns out it just has Defender on.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by tomnipotent on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:41PM (#27359333)
Yes, PC desktops commonly run AV which can impact certain common subsystems in their routine operations. This is true on Windows, Linux, and MacOS. This is perfectly reasonable for the 99% of PC users that are not programmers and power users.

> it just has Defender on

It's unfortunate Defender would come pre-installed even on Server.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by majkinetor on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:44PM (#27359387)
You are hilarious.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by tomnipotent on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @04:13PM (#27360643)
It's a good post, but it doesn't substantiate your hyperbole.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by majkinetor on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @04:27PM (#27360831)
Yeah, because I am not babysitter. You should do your homework :) I am glad when people hint me good info.

I do have ample personal experience - when government web server was randomly dropping from 2k req/s to 2 req/s we disabled defender and from there we had continuous 2k req/s. I have seen this literary hundreds of times. Not sure why people install AV on servers but its common in banks and similar. On home computers its even worst. I witnessed new laptop computer with 2 AVs - defender + something vendor installed like mcafe. It was so slow that while typing letters appeared 1/s.

AVs inject themselves on number of places and do all kind of "funky" stuff. All power users should disable that junk. You have other means to protect yourself. If you are grandma, sure, go for it, but grandma will not run "Reclaim Windows10" from github gist, no ?

Context is everything. It certainly doesn't justify above comment claiming "DO NOT DO THIS!!!" on HN. Its utter nonsense. We are here to talk about hacking things by definition. Power users customize their OS, not the other way around. Its pity that MS doesn't provide minimal OS (like Linux OS's usually do) but the first thing I do is not run single script like Reclaim, but dozen of such scripts and my healthy nervous system thanks me all the time because benefits are huge and minuses are minor and fixable.

If anything, we need more projects like that, more polished, more documented, more maintained. My personal fav so far is [1]

[1]: https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by h_anna_h on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:28PM (#27362787)
Nobody uses antiviruses on Linux (except if they host a mail or file server). As far as I know most people who use MacOS do not either. It is true that a lot (most?) windows users use antiviruses but this is not an argument against the claim that it causes massive slowdowns.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by vetinari on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @04:44PM (#27361022)
> Windows Defender has a marginal impact on performance,

Oh, come on; there are issues like this: https://github.com/rust-lang/cargo/issues/5028 and the app developers do handstands in order to minimize the impact; for example, cargo guys had to redo their file closing on Windows to be done asynchronously, so they would not have to wait for Defender.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by majkinetor on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:53PM (#27362988)
Exactly. Slowing down between 2-10 times.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by teh_klev on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:31PM (#27359174)
This is utter nonsense.

It's maybe the case if you're running a 15+ year old PC with the slowest spinning rust disk and 1GB of RAM.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by tedajax on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:54AM (#27355304)
SmartScreen exists solely to warn you about executables you already trust and be annoying.

Fortunately you can just disable it from the settings though.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by vmception on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:15AM (#27354835)
I've seen disk images of windows on piracy sites that have all this stuff preconfigured

you can get slim builds with chrome ready to go already, builds with all these cleanup scripts configured, and more

sadly, they also know people in a rush are looking for this or prefer it, and they install backdoors or ways to steal your crypto on them and stuff

I wouldn't even trust the scripts itself at this point, so I'm another for just don't run this stuff

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by vetinari on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @04:47PM (#27361051)
> I wouldn't even trust the scripts itself at this point, so I'm another for just don't run this stuff

The scripts (they are mostly forks of https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script) are nicely written toggles for registry values or GPO, that you can read and selectively all. Nothing scary.

Re:Reclaim Windows10 by hestefisk on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:47PM (#27357458)
As good as it sounds, I wouldn’t feel comfortable installing a modded Win10 install from a piracy site…. Maybe it’s just me.
Re:Reclaim Windows10 by vmception on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @02:41PM (#27359337)
Thats… what I said

as consensus has flipped multiple times since I posted it, it makes me wonder if other people misread my comment