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Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by Bud on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:29AM (#25942195)
There's not any real reason to be concerned about this. Not yet, at least.

Furthermore, this comment is offensive. Let's please not pretend that Facebook and Twitter were "looking for an excuse" before deplatforming Trump. They were entirely justified and would have been justified in doing so many years before they eventually did so.

Let's also not put the word "incite" in dick quotes barely three weeks after an insurrection and attempted coup. There was actual incitement of violence in that case.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by listless on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:34AM (#25942273)
I think there's plenty of reason to be concerned, but certainly not enough to be terrified or overreact with comments like "this comment is offensive".
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by Bud on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:35AM (#25942298)
I don't think that expressing my opinion is an overreaction. It's offensive to minimize what happened on January 6th. That's what you do when you mock the notion that the president incited violence.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by juanani on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:58AM (#25943869)
And I am offended when a few loud voices maximize it. It is called making a mountain out of a mole hill and the media did well here to convince so many to not give too much thought about giving up their rights again.

Very similar to 9/11 except less casualties thankfully. Just an interesting observation of how much control screens can exert then vs now. More are connected with constant access. We need better screen diets.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by herewegoagain2 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:06PM (#25947234)
"It's offensive" is not actually an argument. There never was a societal consensus that nobody should be allowed to say things that somebody could consider offensive. That's just what some people want, as a means to control other people.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by jcadam on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:46AM (#25943643)
> It's offensive to minimize what happened on January 6th. That's what you do when you mock the notion that the president incited violence.

No, that doesn't follow.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by shockeychap on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:12AM (#25942962)
Where was all of this offense concerning violence when we watched countless businesses being burned and looted throughout the summer? I'm not justifying what happened at the Capitol, but the shouts of righteous indignation ring more than a little hollow.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by MrMan on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:04AM (#25943966)
When things ring hollow, that is like nails on a chalkboard.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by ehnto on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:02AM (#25942785)
It was concerning because it was a demonstration of significant soft-power, and I think many people are surprised or hadn't yet considered the implications of that kind of power.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by um_ya on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:36AM (#25942308)
I'm curious why people are so tender to the capital riots and not to the Chaz "autonomous zone" and the riots, continued even to this day, by BLM and Antifa. Is there a distinction I'm not getting here?
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by Bud on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:40AM (#25942381)
There are quite a few distinctions that should be obvious, yes, but let's stick to the most obvious one: BLM hasn't attempted to overturn a US election or overthrow the government.

Or this one: BLM hasn't caused any deaths, to date; the Capitol (capitalized, btw, and with an "o") insurrection caused 5 and could easily have resulted in the assassination of various senior government officials.

Or this one: BLM protests involved tens of millions of citizens across all walks of life and were prompted by very real social problems with police murdering black people; the Capitol riot was prompted by fascism and white supremacy.

Do I need to go on?

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by nxm on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:15AM (#25943012)
12-19 people have died due to BLM "protests", and over 700 officers injured. So BLM riots have had a worse impact.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by ardy42 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:59AM (#25943871)
> 12-19 people have died due to BLM "protests", and over 700 officers injured. So BLM riots have had a worse impact.

Your statement is dense with issues:

1. You're comparing a single "protest" to a protest movement. Also, where did you get a figure like "12-19"?

2. There are documented and confirmed cases of capitol-riot-type people using the BLM protests as cover for violence (e.g. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-man-accused-o... and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo...). The attempts to blame the capital riots on "antifa" are groundless.

3. The capitol rioters deliberately struck at the democratic process itself (e.g. process of conducting a fair election) because they rejected the results of that process, which is a far more serious thing than any traditional protest, no matter how violent.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by herewegoagain2 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:11PM (#25947301)
1) Because there was just a single "capitol incident", and several BLM riots.

2) So you seriously believe all violence at BLM riots was solely because of false flag white supremacists? Really?

3) Bullshit. Riots are not "democratic process" either - it's people rejecting the established laws (like property rights) and proceeding to do their own thing. I mean they installed an "autonomous zone", how is that not an attack on democracy?

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by ardy42 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:26PM (#25948549)
> 1) Because there was just a single "capitol incident", and several BLM riots.

No, there wasn't just a single incident. Just to give some examples off the top of my head: large groups of III%ers participated in both the Capitol Attack and Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, and the BLM counter-protests were arguably part of the same phenomenon (and one of them shot three people in Kenosha).

> 2) So you seriously believe all violence at BLM riots was solely because of false flag white supremacists? Really?

That's a sloppy reading of what I said. I merely pointed out a fact that makes attribution of violence that occurred at the protests difficult.

> 3) Bullshit. Riots are not "democratic process" either - it's people rejecting the established laws (like property rights) and proceeding to do their own thing. I mean they installed an "autonomous zone", how is that not an attack on democracy?

It's pretty obvious that it wasn't an "attack on democracy" because they made reform demands to elected officials and were cooperating with the government:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zon...

> The protest zone has increasingly functioned with the tacit blessing of the city. Harold Scoggins, the fire chief, was there on Wednesday, chatting with protesters, helping set up a call with the Police Department and making sure the area had portable toilets and sanitation services....

> The demonstrators have also been trying to figure it out, with various factions voicing different priorities. A list of three demands was posted prominently on a wall: one, defund the Police Department; two, fund community health; and three, drop all criminal charges against protesters.

In comparison, the capitol attackers setup a gallows and were chanting things like "Hang Mike Pence," because he wouldn't unconstitutionally override the election (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hang-mike-pence-chant-capi..., https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/15/mike-pence-cl...). The sloppy false equivalences to deflect away from that are getting old.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by herewegoagain2 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:45PM (#25949768)
1) The Kenosha shooting was self defense. And if you arbitrarily lump things together, you can probably find an arbitrary number of victims. BLM is connected to socialism, so I guess you could count the 100 million dead in the Chinese Culture revolution and so on.

2) In the same vein, there seems to be only one actual victim of protester violence at the capitol, and that one also looks more like an accident (got hit in the head with a thrown item, which is of course a stupidly dangerous attack, but also common at BLM riots)

3) That's not CHAZ cooperating with authorities, but authorities cooperating with CHAZ. Just because "your people" welcomed the secession, doesn't make it any more democratic.

Also, there are videos from the capitol of security staff chatting with the protesters. So I guess they were also cooperating, and hence, by your logic, democratic.

Anyway, let's end here. There really is no point. It is just always interesting how warped people's perceptions can be.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by ardy42 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:13PM (#25950162)
> 1) The Kenosha shooting was self defense.

We'll see about that when he goes to trial.

> And if you arbitrarily lump things together, you can probably find an arbitrary number of victims.

Which is what you're doing. Why arbitrarily lump together BLM and looters, when it could make more sense to consider them different groups that happen to be in the same area reacting in their own ways to the same circumstances?

> 3) That's not CHAZ cooperating with authorities, but authorities cooperating with CHAZ. Just because "your people" welcomed the secession, doesn't make it any more democratic.

The point is it's not a succession if you continue to recognize the government by calling on it to reform.

> Anyway, let's end here. There really is no point. It is just always interesting how warped people's perceptions can be.

Yep.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by yonaguska on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:25AM (#25943203)
> BLM hasn't caused any deaths, to date

Lee Keltner

Aaron "Jay" Danielson

Garret Foster

Tyler Gerth

David Dorn

Victor Cazares Jr

Secoriea Turner

....

And that's just a small sampling.

Do I need to go on?

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by kombucha111 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:57AM (#25943848)
Yes please go on with your disingenuous list.

Lee Keltner - Killed in Denver by the hired security guard for a journalist.

Aaron Danielson - Killed at dueling protests by self identifying anti-facist (antifa)

Garret Foster - He was a BLM protestor killed by an active Army sergeant.

Tyler Gerth- he was a protest photographer killed by a guy with a grudge over an argument.

David Dorn - Not killed by BLM The protests were several miles away and had disbanded a few hours earlier near the Metropolitan Police Headquarters downtown after clashes between police and a few remaining agitators turned violent

Do I really have to go on?

You make it sound like those on your list were killed BLM mobs and a modicum of investigation makes it obvious you lack perspective. Those that marched on the Capitol were indeed a mob.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by cthaeh on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:13AM (#25944129)
Just like how the MSM constantly emphasizes the fact that 5 people died as a result of the capital riots.

When: 2 people died as a result of strokes. No participation in the riot.

1 person trampled by the rioters. 1 unarmed person shot by the police. 1 police officer dead due to being struck in the head.

So clearly, only 2 people died as a consequence of the riots, per your logic.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by rob74 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:50AM (#25942530)
Well, the Capitol riots were in the capital (Washington DC), so let's give him the orthographic benefit of the doubt...
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by kcolford on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:52AM (#25942563)
I feel that your argument started out very strong but fell off a cliff at the end by making similarly alienating comments to what your parent made.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by Bud on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:09AM (#25942894)
I appreciate the feedback. Could you tell me exactly which comments you found to be alienating? Perhaps that would help me refine arguments in the future. Thanks.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by kcolford on Sunday January 31, 2021 @10:39AM (#25979562)
> the Capitol riot was prompted by fascism and white supremacy.

If you're proud to be a fascist and white supremacist then this doesn't make someone not want to be one. If you're not then you'd be offended by that accusation that you are one. It's a polarising statement that target's an individual's identity, not their actions. It was an ad hominem attack.

Had you made reference to the disinformation campaign surrounding the election results or the President's remarks that actively fanned the flames of their outrage (outrage that they certainly perceived as legitimate but the rest of us know was misguided) then that would be a very different argument. It would be one that forgave regular people for being people and targeted those truly responsible. It's an argument that invites people to agree with you rather than making them the enemy.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by mopsi on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:11AM (#25944096)
> BLM hasn't attempted to overturn a US election or overthrow the government.

CHAZ was even one step further.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by treis on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:25AM (#25944339)
>Or this one: BLM hasn't caused any deaths, to date; the Capitol (capitalized, btw, and with an "o") insurrection caused 5 and could easily have resulted in the assassination of various senior government officials

In Atlanta BLM protestors set up an armed road block. Several people were shot there culminating in the shooting death of a 9 year old girl.

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Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by ardy42 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:10AM (#25944088)
> Are you serious? BLM murdered an 8 year old black girl in atlanta

You're claiming BLM is about murdering black kids? Are you serious?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/us/atlanta-mayor-8-year-o...

As someone who considered himself to be on the right until relatively recently, I'm pretty disturbed by how it seems to have rejected reason in favor of sloppy free association.

> The capital riots were patriots who have been upset that the corrupt courts refused to allow anybody to present evidence of fraud when there is more than enough out there to show

The allegations of fraud were laughed out of court, even by Republican judges, because they had no merit whatsoever. They were little more than expressions of an incompetent demagogue's psychological insecurity.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by jtms on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:32AM (#25943373)
What evidence? There was and is no evidence of systemic fraud
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by goatinaboat on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:50AM (#25942529)
BLM hasn't attempted to overturn a US election or overthrow the government.

Isn’t declaring part of the sovereign territory of the United States to be an autonomous zone sort of similar?

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by katbyte on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:36AM (#25944482)
Not really lol, that’s more like trying to seceded or fight for independence while the capital insurrection attempted to kidnap and kill actual leaders of America.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by herewegoagain2 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:12PM (#25947328)
Any proof for that?
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by tmn on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:50AM (#25943726)
White supremacy is the new Jewish cabal
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by dang on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:07PM (#25948264)
Please keep this sort of hellpost away from HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by organsnyder on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:42AM (#25942408)
The Capitol "riot" involved people with known plots to capture and kill lawmakers, and occurred while Congress was in session doing one of the most important (if intended to be mundane) tasks it does every four years.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by gostsamo on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:43AM (#25942423)
Yes, the anarchist are not trying to dictate to the rest of the country how to be ruled. This is major difference and though I'm not an anarchist, I can make a difference.
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Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by wetmore on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:35AM (#25943438)
I think you may be surprised by how much those who would consider themselves antifa hate the Democrats
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Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by swader999 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:03AM (#25942797)
Where does antifa.com take you too?
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by kaibee on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:55AM (#25943803)
Anyone can buy a domain and redirect it anywhere. This is an extremely embarrassing comment for the level of discussion I expected from HN.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by ardy42 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:19AM (#25944249)
> Anyone can buy a domain and redirect it anywhere. This is an extremely embarrassing comment for the level of discussion I expected from HN.

Exactly. Has everyone forgotten whitehouse.com? In the 90s it was a porn site.

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Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by gadders on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:00AM (#25942743)
Who says I'm an American, and who says I was talking about global Antifa?
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by whoknew1122 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:23AM (#25943155)
No one said or implied you were American. In fact, the comment that 'SV trends left' kind of belies that fact. The power brokers and people in actual control of SV are libertarian, not left.

And antifa is an idea, not a singular, cohesive group. So if you weren't talking about antifa as an idea (which isn't uniquely American), what are you talking about? The made-up-by-right-wing-news organized leftist group that doesn't exist?

Further, if you were an informed American, I'd hope that you would understand that those who tend to identify with antifa weren't (and by and large aren't) happy with the selection of Biden and Harris. Both are seen as defenders of the prison industrial complex.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by gadders on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:44AM (#25943625)
>> The power brokers and people in actual control of SV are libertarian, not left.

Name one that is politically active, other than Peter Thiel.

>> And antifa is an idea, not a singular, cohesive group.

Citation needed.

>>The made-up-by-right-wing-news organized leftist group that..

..rioted non-stop for about nine months all across America and killed 25 people.

Fixed it for you.

>> Further, if you were an informed American, I'd hope that you would understand that those who tend to identify with antifa weren't (and by and large aren't) happy with the selection of Biden and Harris. Both are seen as defenders of the prison industrial complex.

Well, they might not like them too much, but Biden is an empty suit and there is always the prospect of The Squad getting more power in the DNC. And they absolutely hated Trump.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by sofal on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:10AM (#25944091)
You're asking for citations for the non-existence of a secret group that you claim, with no evidence, is "the armed wing of the Democrat party". You have the burden of proof here, and you cannot be taken seriously until you've met that.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by subjectsigma on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:12AM (#25942964)
European antifa != American antifa. Learned this when I went to Germany and people were just walking around in Antifa shirts. I told them Antifa is basically a terrorist group in America and they thought this was super weird, because over there it is more of a legitimate political movement.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by vidarh on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:02AM (#25943930)
If you believe "American antifa" is a group in any kind of sense, you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by subjectsigma on Monday February 01, 2021 @03:26PM (#25993369)
You're misinterpreting my comment. There is no 'American Antifa (TM)', it is many smaller groups. That just supports what I wrote. I wasn't about to write "some movement in Germany != many smaller groups in the US, some of which are violent and destructive, and have varying levels of attachment to the same ideology." Although, considering the reading comprehension of some people on this site, being more explicit might have helped.

Edit: just gathered from reading your comment history that you are Norwegian (something I like to do when people reply to me). What experiences have you had with Americans and 'antifa' groups in America?

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by Bantros on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:37AM (#25943456)
Oh no, it's offensive. Get a grip
Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by clankyclanker on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:41AM (#25942389)
I believe SMBC says it well: “I’m offended” is a much more useful concept than “it’s offensive.”

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-02-23

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by TheRealDunkirk on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:52AM (#25942565)
I put incite in "dick quotes" to emphasize that it has become the specific word with which to paint a comment _about_ violence when you don't like the message or the messenger, not to minimize or parody what happened on the 6th.

Calm down, Bud.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by Bud on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:19AM (#25943070)
I don't think that "calm down" is an appropriate response; you don't know anything about my state of calmness, or lack thereof. Even if you did, it's frankly not your business whether I am calm or not, nor does it affect the quality of my argument.

I appreciate your clarification, however. I withdraw my assertion that you were trying to minimize what happened on January 6th. And I apologize.

Re:Robinhood is limiting purchases of stocks: AMC, Blackberr... by TheRealDunkirk on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:39AM (#25943492)
To be fair, you didn't seem to be bothered with inferring my state of mind in your original comment. Nor did your inference, even if true, change the meaning of what I said, either.

I was going to say "Calm down, Francis," as per the old movie Stripes, and then changed it, but neither would have been helpful. I apologize too.