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Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by dayve on Friday November 27, 2020 @06:45AM (#25227854)
Being an African born & bred in Nigeria, I particularly find this appalling. Captcha usually asks users to identify fire hydrants, crosswalks & other objects with design patterns that are not common here, in everyday living. There's a big question on whether these approaches work well for onboarding the next billion users to the internet, especially since the demographics are much different from existing internet users.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by nojokes on Friday November 27, 2020 @08:35AM (#25228578)
Fire hydrants are not at all common in European cityscape but you will learn about them from Hollywood movies or from music videos.

But in the part of Europe I am from, if I did not go to the daycare in a larger city, I would not have seen any crosswalks or traffic lights. I could have easily recognized a harvester or a railroad crossing though.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by OJFord on Friday November 27, 2020 @03:00PM (#25232101)
In the part of Europe I live in (London), if I did not go to any sites using reCaptcha, I would not know what a 'crosswalk' is.

Even the things I have seen (traffic lights, buses, 'fire hydrants') don't always ('fire hydrants' never) look the same as their American counterparts.

It's just a totally ill-conceived system for any global website.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by archon810 on Saturday November 28, 2020 @01:24AM (#25235715)
Are you saying London doesn't have crosswalks? I find that hard to believe.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by OJFord on Saturday November 28, 2020 @08:49AM (#25237477)
London has plenty of pedestrian crossings, but they're unmarked, at least not in the same way - a stop line for cars before the lights, sure - except for 'zebra crossings', which look different, have different rules (no traffic lights and cars must give way to pedestrians) and would never be called a 'crosswalk'.

I suppose they just don't need to be, because not using one isn't 'jaywalking'. If there's too much traffic you identify a safe crossing by zebra stripes (or flashing beacon) or traffic lights or island.

When reCaptcha first asked me to identify the 'crosswalks', sure, I guessed it must be the road markings. But I just (still, to this day) select all the road markings that aren't obviously just centre direction seperating lines. I might get loads wrong, no idea.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by lokedhs on Saturday November 28, 2020 @02:38AM (#25236010)
They are called zebra crossings outside the US. They also look different.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by OJFord on Saturday November 28, 2020 @11:26AM (#25238455)
My understanding is that 'crosswalks' are all legal points (because 'jaywalking' at another point is illegal in the US) of pedestrian crossing.

At least in the UK, zebra crossings are a tiny subset of pedestrian crossings. (And you can cross the road wherever you please.)

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by anoncake on Friday November 27, 2020 @05:18PM (#25233065)
Here fire hydrants are common, but almost always underground.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by dafoex on Saturday November 28, 2020 @12:32PM (#25238910)
Same here. They are usually marked with a yellow "H" sign about a foot tall, and the numbers on it tell the fire brigade where to find the hydrant if its not immediately below the sign.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by sandworm101 on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:44AM (#25230194)
>>There's a big question on whether these approaches work well for onboarding the next billion users to the internet

That isn't what captchas are used for. There are two side to every captcha, what the website is using them for and what the captcha creator or provider is using them for. In google's case, captchas are being used to hone AI. So it is no wonder that items like hydrants, store fronts, crosswalks and traffic lights dominate. Those are the objects that any AI-controlled vehicle will have to recognize. Given that the first market for AI-driven vehicles seems to be western nations, specifically the US, it is no surprise that google gears its captcha program to objects from that area.

If google were developing robots to pick fruit captchas would ask us to identify bananas and oranges. I worry about the day that captchas start asking me to differentiate people from other objects. I don't want to help train an AI to tell people from trees, soldiers from bushes.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by unishark on Saturday November 28, 2020 @07:06AM (#25237070)
> Given that the first market for AI-driven vehicles seems to be western nations, specifically the US, it is no surprise that google gears its captcha program to objects from that area.

This is a roundabout way of just saying the most obvious explanation (sites with US-centric captchas are presumably mostly interested in US users anyway) but wrapped up in an unnecessary conspiracy layer to add creepiness.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by howLongHowLong on Saturday November 28, 2020 @07:26AM (#25237139)
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/how-security-captchas-crowdsour... (Not the best source perhaps, but I just picked one among dozens) It's not a conspiracy theory, it's actually true that captchas are used as data for self-driving car algorithms, and that the data would be useless unless it was relevant to things those cars are likely to encounter. The reason they're so common is they are distributed for free, for the same reason: more data. I often feel like I ought to get paid when presented with an annoyingly long queue of them.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by dafoex on Saturday November 28, 2020 @12:36PM (#25238950)
Given Google tracks everything about me, there's no reason why they can't find-and-replace "crosswalk" with "zebra crossing" to match my locale. Its not a conspiracy, its just laziness on Google's part
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by sandworm101 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @03:41AM (#25243848)
What conspiracy? Google has been rather open about this for years.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by wolco2 on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:13PM (#25230466)
In fairness if they asked that it would be exclude the human the way streetview maps works now
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by sandworm101 on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:41PM (#25231448)
>> it would be exclude the human

That is one way of running an captcha: set a task that is not possible for a human. Anyone who answers correctly must be a bot.

"How many flowers in this field?" "Solve for X: 3567/134 = X" Anyone getting those correct in a reasonable time is probably not a human and so has failed the captcha.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by martamorena9182 on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:56PM (#25232070)
That doesn't work, because either you need to randomize which way you ask (and then all a bot needs to do is try a couple of times to get the question where it needs to answer correctly), or you always need to ask one way or the other, which also doesn't work, because then the bot will answer incorrectly on purpose.

It would be different if the captcha would look at the incorrectness. I.e. the bot would now have to make the same mistakes that humans would make, which might be a workable path for captchas, however its unclear what benefit this would bring compared to answering correctly.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by iso1631 on Monday November 30, 2020 @08:43AM (#25253576)
"Solve for X: 3567/134 = X"

Would take me, a human, about 3 seconds to

1) highlight 3567/134

2) Press Alt-Escape

3) type "bc<enter>"

4) middleclick

5) Doubleclick answer

6) Middle click in answer box

26.61940298507462686567

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by CRConrad on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:42PM (#25230768)
> So it is no wonder that items like hydrants, store fronts, crosswalks and traffic lights dominate. Those are the objects that any AI-controlled vehicle will have to recognize.

The point of the GP was, it's training these AIs on specifically _American_ hydrants, store fronts, crosswalks and traffic lights, which sucks not only for those of us unpaid mechanical Turks who aren't Yanks, but also makes you wonder if nobody cares that these coming AI-controlled vehicles won't be so great at discriminating NON-American hydrants, store fronts, crosswalks and traffic lights from _non-American pedestrians._

And no, America does not equal “the West”; most of your street furniture looks slightly“ off” compared to, say, that of most European countries. Anyway, the part of the “West” that will probably be at the forefront of this wave will probably, as usual, be the most hyper-advanced: Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan...

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by matchbok on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:32PM (#25230657)
Google no longer uses captcha to hone their AI.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by coherentpony on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:34PM (#25230685)
Do you have a source for this statement?
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by Closi on Friday November 27, 2020 @05:46PM (#25233236)
This seems unlikely considering all the captcha’s are still image classification problems related to driving.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by DarkWiiPlayer on Friday November 27, 2020 @07:03AM (#25227968)
My prediction: This will lead to new users being turned away from established products from the anglosphere and develop their own alternatives.

Maybe after a while the big companies will notice and adapt, which might already be too late by then, or maybe they just buy the smaller ones directly, who knows.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by cvhashim on Friday November 27, 2020 @08:38AM (#25228600)
I think this is already happening. Hopefully local entrepreneurs in their own countries can continue to build for their countrymen before people like Zuckerberg and Bezos get their hands in the metaphorical pot, and suck all the wealth right back to the US like economic hitmen of the last century.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by warp on Friday November 27, 2020 @09:12AM (#25228818)
Facebook is actually doing much better in this regard than Google/Amazon/etc..

For example, in certain developing countries "social media" is included for free with your phone plan, often there is no net neutrality and competition between carriers has forced all of them to offer this. As a result, local businesses are forced to have Facebook and Instagram pages, because their audience cannot visit a regular website on most days. Which ensures most people need the "real" internet less and less, and are less likely to pay for it, locking them into Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp for a lot of their communication.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by Siira on Saturday November 28, 2020 @07:31AM (#25237159)
The alternative is that these people won’t have Internet access. Poor people have difficulties procuring even food, not to mention internet. Of course, as the economical conditions improve, the tradeoffs change and net neutrality becomes worth it.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by crankyoldcrank on Friday November 27, 2020 @09:23AM (#25228894)
> often there is no net neutrality

Hold up, what does this mean, even? I thought "net neutrality" meant classifying ISPs in such a way that they are regulated by the FCC instead of the FTC. Obviously this is an American framing. How does that map to other countries?

Also, I was assured by users on this website and many others that if the ISPs were moved to be regulated by the FTC by evil Ajit Pai the internet as we know it would end. Those actions were taken by the administration three years ago, the media fell silent, and the internet is largely unchanged.

So what do you mean, in an international context, by net neutrality?

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by matt_kantor on Friday November 27, 2020 @05:15PM (#25233039)
> Network neutrality, most commonly called net neutrality, is the principle that Internet service providers (ISPs) must treat all Internet communications equally, and not discriminate or charge differently based on user, content, website, platform, application, type of equipment, source address, destination address, or method of communication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by ev1 on Saturday November 28, 2020 @12:05AM (#25235436)
Think of it as more like Comcast shouldn't be allowed to charge you 100x per GB (in addition to being your only choice in internet) if your traffic is to/from any streaming provider while providing their own streaming service for free, or throttle your usage of "other streaming traffic" to sub-144p quality. [OK, in reality, every mobile carrier does this in the US]

In an international, developing country context, outside of some places like India with Jio's cheap plans, it is incredibly frequent that you are paying per MB or similar at rates that would be unaffordable otherwise. Facebook funds these things so that your usage of Facebook's apps, Whatsapp, Instagram do not count against quota and are free to use. Thus local competitors get no visits and don't run their own sites because users do not want to pay a day's wages to browse your menu when they could browse your menu for free on their FB page.

It has pros and cons, one thing being that they don't have to pay for data and they get access to some portions of the internet, which is good? But it also makes it completely impossible for a local player funded locally without the billions acquired elsewhere to start, because people quite literally cannot afford to use your service unless you can afford to pay for all of them to; you can't compete. And since it's their only choice, now they monopolize and capture an entire country's worth of communications from start to finish. You'll see whatsapp numbers in many countries in place of a phone number or website.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by Jestar342 on Friday November 27, 2020 @08:27AM (#25228519)
> My prediction: This will lead to new users being turned away from established products from the anglosphere and develop their own alternatives.

Captchas will be localised long before that.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by im3w1l on Friday November 27, 2020 @09:16AM (#25228847)
It has to get bad enough for users to turn away. And it arguably isn't, yet.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by howLongHowLong on Saturday November 28, 2020 @07:31AM (#25237156)
I use Lyft instead of Uber because Uber forced me to do so many traffic-related captchas to install(presumably with the aim of eliminating employees eventually), I felt like they were squeezing free labor from me. It's getting there.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by dafoex on Saturday November 28, 2020 @12:45PM (#25239022)
Its not even the anglosphere, because I'm from English England and had no clue what an American crosswalk was until recently. This is something that affects non-americans, not just non-angles.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by eatbots on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:51AM (#25230264)
hCaptcha engineer here: this is an issue with Google's approach, not all visual challenges.

Our challenges have average solve accuracy within 1% when comparing users in major African countries vs US users in our user testing. Nigeria does slightly better than the US, in fact.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by silveriswrong on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:10PM (#25231681)
American here. I had to say a mailbox was a parking meter yesterday to satisfy one of these terrible things. Your measurement of success may be biased by user acceptance of incorrect information in the process.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by anoncake on Friday November 27, 2020 @05:14PM (#25233029)
And as a non-American, I neither know nor care what American parking meters look like in the first place. They're training their model on my model of their model
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by eatbots on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:44PM (#25235085)
This would be a reCAPTCHA: there were no parking meter questions running on hCaptcha yesterday, from a quick check.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by causality0 on Friday November 27, 2020 @05:12PM (#25233011)
Considering how horrifically broken hCaptcha is, slapping your hand on the keyboard would have an equivalent solve rate. I've had hCaptchas where one of the images was virtually identical to the example and it still didn't count as one.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by Strom on Friday November 27, 2020 @07:25PM (#25233907)
It's very much an issue with hCaptcha as well. I have to frequently identify US parking meters that I only vaguely know from Hollywood movies.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by garbage098 on Friday November 27, 2020 @03:28PM (#25232296)
maybe because when i see one i dont even bother
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by nailer on Friday November 27, 2020 @08:35AM (#25228576)
I'm not entirely sure what a crosswalk is. I /guess/ it's a pedestrian crossing, but I wouldn't put money on it.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by wenc on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:31PM (#25231356)
It's trickier than most people think. The term "crosswalk" is American English -- it's known as a pedestrian crossing or zebra crossing in other countries. (another oft confused word is "pavement", which means sidewalk in British English, but refers to the hard surface of the road in American English)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedestrian_crossing#Distinctio...

The markings also cause confusion. To the non-American mind, does "crosswalk" refer to the crossing with the two parallel lines or the one with the stripes? Whereas with "zebra crossing", there's no ambiguity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedestrian_crossing#/media/Fil...

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by livre on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:43AM (#25230173)
You don't really have to know which squares are actual crosswalks or what a crosswalk really is, reCAPTCHA doesn't care and it thinks that any street with white striped lines is a crosswalk even if the lines are for indicating something else (which is also annoying because it'll ask you to verify you are human again if you don't check those non-crosswalks). So do as I do and select any street that has white striped lines (same goes for its more rare bicycle/motorbike, small truck/car or truck/bus mix-ups).
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by reaperducer on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:56PM (#25230954)
reCAPTCHA doesn't care and it thinks that any street with white striped lines is a crosswalk

In my experience, reCAPTCHA doesn't know what a street is, and thinks any object with vertical stripes on it is a crosswalk.

It also thinks wheelchairs are bicycles, and some dogs are human beings.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by delecti on Friday November 27, 2020 @09:22AM (#25228886)
Yes, crosswalks are a marked place on a road where pedestrians are supposed to cross. They often have dedicated signaling to let you know when you have the right-of-way to cross. The signaling usually looks like this [1], though typically the other fingers on the hand aren't blacked out, so it's a full hand, rather than one showing a middle finger (I couldn't quickly find a better example).

https://imgur.com/gallery/LFm2dyh

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by kevin_thibedeau on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:58AM (#25229683)
Crosswalks are not necessarily marked. For many jurisdictions they exist at the corners of every road intersection.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by jcrawfordor on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:01PM (#25231605)
The question of what a crosswalk is can be surprisingly contentious despite attempts at federal standards! In my city there is a situation where the police department and the transportation department currently define "crosswalk" differently, leading to some rather bizarre situations with police reports and attribution of fault (e.g. pedestrian crossing in something the transportation department considers to be a crosswalk but the police department does not, such as a marked bicycle crossing, because their definition is stricter).
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by dkersten on Friday November 27, 2020 @09:49AM (#25229093)
Off topic: imgur showed me the image, then gave me a cookie popup and when I clicked decline, the image was replaced by the text “could not find image”
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by CRConrad on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:49PM (#25230867)
The GP poster knows what a pedestrian crossing is, what it's for, and how it looks in most countries that can afford to build them; they were just pointing out that the word “crosswalk” is only found in American English.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by dafoex on Saturday November 28, 2020 @12:55PM (#25239109)
I assumed it was an enclosed bridge between two buildings, a skybridge or skywalk, but apparently they are black and white striped crossings that I know as "zebra crossings".
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by ape4 on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:12AM (#25229269)
I'd love to try some non-American captchas ;)
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by GFischer on Friday November 27, 2020 @06:48PM (#25233646)
I wonder how many people in the U.S. would recognize what is instantly familiar to us in Uruguay, the Yerba Mate gourd (10 out of 10 Uruguayans would recognize)

https://www.123rf.com/photo_120278916_stock-vector-yerba-mat...

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by WarOnPrivacy on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:11AM (#25229817)
I made a cross-cultural captcha https://i.imgur.com/U2ivgJl.jpg
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by smsm42 on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:30PM (#25231866)
Fire hydrants is the first thing I've remembered too. This is very much US thing, don't remember ever seeing it in other countries (maybe they exist, but not where I lived) - at least not in the form Google wants them.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by lokedhs on Saturday November 28, 2020 @02:43AM (#25236022)
They exist in Singapore, and looks a bit like the typical one in the US.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by tonfreed on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:49AM (#25244607)
My favourite is how it blocks me from doing anything because I use various cookie blockers. I hate recaptcha so much, because all I want is some goddamn privacy.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by downrightmike on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:12AM (#25229820)
The USA is the home of the internet, just keep building yours up and hey, start a captcha of your own. Don't let google dominate. Edit: This is serious, if you let them take everything over, they will.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by Number157 on Friday November 27, 2020 @07:05AM (#25227980)
But you can answer the questions, I assume?
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by pbhjpbhj on Friday November 27, 2020 @09:30AM (#25228936)
These are hard sometimes for me, from UK:

What counts as a truck? Is a fire engine a truck, is a 4x4 (like a Landrover), a HGV (ie lorry), a box van?

What counts as a bus? Is a coach a bus, a minibus?

What counts as a bicycle? Is a pedal-and-pop (a pedal cycle with an engine)? The image shows part of a headset that might be on a bike, is that enough to call it a bike, might be a lightweight motorbike?

Is a hovercraft a boat? Is a helicopter an aeroplane (according to the people setting the question)? Do pedestrian facing lights count as traffic lights?

Then every now and again they add in an image that is, I assume, purposefully obscured (uniform noise) as if painted by an impressionist and titled "boring city with smog as viewed by someone with cataracts, there might be half a bicycle wheel in somewhere".

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by wongarsu on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:00AM (#25229700)
One question that I apparently answered wrong for years as a German are the traffic lights. In English, traffic light seems to refer only to the assembly of two or three lights used to control the flow of traffic. The equivalent German word most commonly refers to the entire installation, including the pole, button (for pedestrians and visually impaired), speaker (for the visually impaired) etc.

So I selected much more than what Google expected me to select, I selected all the cables and poles as well.

I'm pretty glad that hCaptcha at least gives me an example of what it's looking for

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by Bayart on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:06AM (#25229761)
Wait, you don't have to select the whole pole ?

...

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by lyx0 on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:20AM (#25229920)
This always throws me off, if it says 'Select all cars' for example and there is a car going into the next part for 10% but the main thing of that square is a tree or whatever, do I mark that? But I also always select the whole pole, no idea if it's right
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by hhjinks on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:23PM (#25230570)
Can't wait for self-driving cars to always crash into the outer part of a car because it looks straight past it thanks to our square-based teaching.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by greenshackle2 on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:13PM (#25231709)
I was genuinely stumped by this one:

https://ibb.co/1bjZyxm

Do any of the tiles count? If so, do the tiles that barely have just the edge of a "tire" count? Who knows?

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by smsm42 on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:45PM (#25231977)
Ceci n'est pas une bicycle.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by dafoex on Saturday November 28, 2020 @01:04PM (#25239186)
I'd skip this, because it would tell the AI that this "bicycle looking thing" is not a bicycle. If they wanted a cycle lane, they'd ask for that.

Then again, if they wanted a zebra crossing they wouldn't ask for a crosswalk, but here we are...

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by greenshackle2 on Monday November 30, 2020 @01:40PM (#25257274)
My goal is not to optimize google's AI training, it's to get access to the damn website. I think part of what it does is compare your answer with other people's, if the AI is not sure, so it's more like a Keynesian beauty contest where I'm trying to guess which tiles the average person would pick.

(And fail and then have to go through 5 more screens of this.)

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by anoncake on Saturday November 28, 2020 @06:19PM (#25241422)
I wouldn't skip it because I find the idea of Google cars braking to avoid crashing into a pictogram hilarious.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by smsm42 on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:43PM (#25231965)
I live in US (though not born here) and truck and bike ones give me a bit of a pause too. The fact that bike is both a bicycle and a motorcycle doesn't exactly help either. And btw is scooter a bike?
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by gruez on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:48AM (#25229572)
My heuristic (which seems to be pretty accurate) is to accept anything that's vaguely related to the object that they ask for. eg. if they ask for "bicycles" and the picture has a motorcycle I select it.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by g00gler on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:36AM (#25229461)
I don’t think anyone knows exactly what they’re looking 100% the time.

I have to redo captchas all the time so don’t feel bad!

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by furyofantares on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:41AM (#25229510)
Are these examples of captchas that have failed you or just questions that come to mind? I ask myself the same sorts of questions but then haven't actually had captchas fail me for it much.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by pbhjpbhj on Saturday November 28, 2020 @05:31PM (#25241104)
Mostly real examples, FWIW.

I use Brave with Tor quite often, every other site is behind a captcha.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by daveFNbuck on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:51AM (#25229606)
Those are all equally hard for me as an American (except for the helicopter one, I'd be pretty sure that was put there to trick AIs).
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by pbhjpbhj on Saturday November 28, 2020 @05:34PM (#25241126)
Sometimes the turbine housing, or a section of a stabiliser aerofoil looks quite aeroplaney. But yes, I assume I've resolved that one correctly -- just getting in to the flow of my rant!
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by Mordisquitos on Friday November 27, 2020 @08:35AM (#25228577)
Being an African born & bred in Nigeria, who comments on Hacker News, the assumption may be correct—but they're hardly representative of the average Nigerian.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by dkersten on Friday November 27, 2020 @09:50AM (#25229101)
I get them wrong more than I get them right. Half the time I don’t bother anymore and just think “well, another website I won’t be visiting”. I really do believe that a bot would be better at solving them than I am.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by xbar on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:33AM (#25229434)
It would be racist and anti-Afro to suggest that either you are a bot or a scammer for failing all your captchas. Also it would be offensive and inappropriate. And it would be outside the scope of this topic, and it would be a decidedly ad hominem comment when you should be celebrated for standing up to such narrowly contrived captchas.

As an aside, how do you like American security questions? "What was the make and model of the car in which you had your first kiss?"

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by sgerenser on Friday November 27, 2020 @10:42AM (#25229515)
Security questions are completely pointless anyway and you should just always treat them as an extra set of passwords and store them in your password manager. I have changed from using randomly generated items to vaguely plausible sounding nonsense instead since sometimes you have to actually read these things back to a human.