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Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by sandworm101 on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:44AM (#25230194)
>>There's a big question on whether these approaches work well for onboarding the next billion users to the internet

That isn't what captchas are used for. There are two side to every captcha, what the website is using them for and what the captcha creator or provider is using them for. In google's case, captchas are being used to hone AI. So it is no wonder that items like hydrants, store fronts, crosswalks and traffic lights dominate. Those are the objects that any AI-controlled vehicle will have to recognize. Given that the first market for AI-driven vehicles seems to be western nations, specifically the US, it is no surprise that google gears its captcha program to objects from that area.

If google were developing robots to pick fruit captchas would ask us to identify bananas and oranges. I worry about the day that captchas start asking me to differentiate people from other objects. I don't want to help train an AI to tell people from trees, soldiers from bushes.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by unishark on Saturday November 28, 2020 @07:06AM (#25237070)
> Given that the first market for AI-driven vehicles seems to be western nations, specifically the US, it is no surprise that google gears its captcha program to objects from that area.

This is a roundabout way of just saying the most obvious explanation (sites with US-centric captchas are presumably mostly interested in US users anyway) but wrapped up in an unnecessary conspiracy layer to add creepiness.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by howLongHowLong on Saturday November 28, 2020 @07:26AM (#25237139)
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/how-security-captchas-crowdsour... (Not the best source perhaps, but I just picked one among dozens) It's not a conspiracy theory, it's actually true that captchas are used as data for self-driving car algorithms, and that the data would be useless unless it was relevant to things those cars are likely to encounter. The reason they're so common is they are distributed for free, for the same reason: more data. I often feel like I ought to get paid when presented with an annoyingly long queue of them.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by dafoex on Saturday November 28, 2020 @12:36PM (#25238950)
Given Google tracks everything about me, there's no reason why they can't find-and-replace "crosswalk" with "zebra crossing" to match my locale. Its not a conspiracy, its just laziness on Google's part
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by sandworm101 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @03:41AM (#25243848)
What conspiracy? Google has been rather open about this for years.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by wolco2 on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:13PM (#25230466)
In fairness if they asked that it would be exclude the human the way streetview maps works now
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by sandworm101 on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:41PM (#25231448)
>> it would be exclude the human

That is one way of running an captcha: set a task that is not possible for a human. Anyone who answers correctly must be a bot.

"How many flowers in this field?" "Solve for X: 3567/134 = X" Anyone getting those correct in a reasonable time is probably not a human and so has failed the captcha.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by martamorena9182 on Friday November 27, 2020 @02:56PM (#25232070)
That doesn't work, because either you need to randomize which way you ask (and then all a bot needs to do is try a couple of times to get the question where it needs to answer correctly), or you always need to ask one way or the other, which also doesn't work, because then the bot will answer incorrectly on purpose.

It would be different if the captcha would look at the incorrectness. I.e. the bot would now have to make the same mistakes that humans would make, which might be a workable path for captchas, however its unclear what benefit this would bring compared to answering correctly.

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by iso1631 on Monday November 30, 2020 @08:43AM (#25253576)
"Solve for X: 3567/134 = X"

Would take me, a human, about 3 seconds to

1) highlight 3567/134

2) Press Alt-Escape

3) type "bc<enter>"

4) middleclick

5) Doubleclick answer

6) Middle click in answer box

26.61940298507462686567

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by CRConrad on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:42PM (#25230768)
> So it is no wonder that items like hydrants, store fronts, crosswalks and traffic lights dominate. Those are the objects that any AI-controlled vehicle will have to recognize.

The point of the GP was, it's training these AIs on specifically _American_ hydrants, store fronts, crosswalks and traffic lights, which sucks not only for those of us unpaid mechanical Turks who aren't Yanks, but also makes you wonder if nobody cares that these coming AI-controlled vehicles won't be so great at discriminating NON-American hydrants, store fronts, crosswalks and traffic lights from _non-American pedestrians._

And no, America does not equal “the West”; most of your street furniture looks slightly“ off” compared to, say, that of most European countries. Anyway, the part of the “West” that will probably be at the forefront of this wave will probably, as usual, be the most hyper-advanced: Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan...

Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by matchbok on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:32PM (#25230657)
Google no longer uses captcha to hone their AI.
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by coherentpony on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:34PM (#25230685)
Do you have a source for this statement?
Re:CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re Ame... by Closi on Friday November 27, 2020 @05:46PM (#25233236)
This seems unlikely considering all the captcha’s are still image classification problems related to driving.