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Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by simonebrunozzi on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @01:27AM (#24268351)
I don't want to read a novel before being able to understand what this is about. At least the article could provide a quick glimpse at what the fraud scheme is.

I kept reading for 5-6 minutes and then lost interest.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by drtillberg on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @07:40AM (#24270309)
Kid bought an old crappy yacht. Years later he's caught in serial insurance fraud transactions for boats and planes. The dollar ripoff values go from $40k to $100k's rapidly within a few years, and a few years later he's in jail.

Guy is in this line of 'work' because he is an adrenaline junkie. It brings certain side benefits-- dealing in obscure obsolete aircraft and parts gives him means of leisure and more than a little swagger, without the pain of asset depreciation. Convinces himself, a romantic interest, and not many others, that he's James Bond.

Once his 'business' got big enough, it attracted the right attention and has given the guy an opportunity to remake himself yet again, this time from jail.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by SilasX on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @12:29PM (#24273069)
Why didn't insurers keep track of his record of filing claims and charge increasingly high premiums after his super-early claims?
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by techsupporter on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @12:42PM (#24273217)
They do; check out the Comprehensive Loss Underwriting Exchange ("CLUE report"), for example.

But just like any other business, there's always another company willing to take a chance at a high-but-not-too-high premium, especially if you're flashy enough with their agent. If the previous losses looked "plausible" or "unlikely to happen again" or the insured "has the financials of a good risk" or whatever, the policy will get written.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by bluedevil2k on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @08:37AM (#24270673)
I don't understand this comment at all.

First of all, the first paragraph is about a suspicious plane fire - the plane literally burned in half sitting in a hangar. That should provide you some hint about what the fraud scheme is going to be. There's even an animated image of a plane on fire! Did you need the author to print "this is a story about insurance fraud" in big bold print at the top of the story?

Secondly, comments like this are really worthless on HN, it adds nothing to the discussion and as you point out, you didn't even read the article. Why even both writing a waste of a comment?

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by jasode on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:52AM (#24271331)
>I don't understand this comment at all. [...] Why even both writing a waste of a comment?

I understand where the op's reading frustration is coming from. For some urls that point to pdf files or racy content, we might put informal warning tags such as "[pdf]" or "[NSFW]". But there really isn't a meta tag such as "[human_interest_story]" to warn readers of this type of article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-interest_story

There's nothing wrong with human interest stories (and even long form texts of it) but it's tedious for many who aren't expecting it. (I.e. some global readers aren't familiar with TexasMonthly and its editorial focus on long-form human interest articles.)

One type of reader just wants the mechanics of the insurance fraud explained. Thus, the human names -- whoever they are -- are not important -- because they will be forgotten 5 seconds after finishing the article. If it's the "wildest" insurance fraud, what makes it more wild than other insurance scams? Unfortunately, many articles "trick" readers with a compelling title about some <situation> but the actual article is mostly about <person(s)>. Some readers care more about details of the insurance deception than the escapades of Mr. TR Wright.

Another example of this mis-alignment between some readers and the author is the "Why it's so hard to find dumbbells in the US (vox.com)" article that was on HN front page today. The actual article starts off with human-interest stuff by mentioning people like like Andrew, Logan, Fread, etc and goes on like that for many paragraphs. But the HN top-voted comment extracts the relevant explanation that actually answers the question put forth in the title: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24270770

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by ryandrake on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @12:17PM (#24272920)
I think it's an expectation mismatch. It's jarring to expect to read a concise, structured news article, and instead start reading "It was a dark and stormy night..." We don't just have news articles here, but we have no way of tagging links as [long reads].
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by simonebrunozzi on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:49AM (#24271892)
> One type of reader just wants the mechanics of the insurance fraud explained.

Exactly me. And I was not familiar with TexasMonthly, despite having lived in the US (California) for the last 8 years. (I am originally from Europe)

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by bluedevil2k on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:08AM (#24272118)
Then go to Wikipedia and look up "insurance fraud".
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by paulintrognon on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @12:13PM (#24272874)
> Why even both writing a waste of a comment?

Because now the top reply of his comment is a summary of the article. So, not that useless of a comment

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by billfruit on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:55AM (#24272624)
The article fails to explain and make a case of why it is worthwhile to read this long an article. The article seems more interested in weaving a narrative than reporting the salient facets in a succinct form.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by mcphage on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @04:53PM (#24275979)
> The article seems more interested in weaving a narrative than reporting the salient facets in a succinct form.

Yes, that is what the article was intending to do.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by dylan604 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @01:54PM (#24274017)
Apparently, HN is this user's version of book club. Rather than discussing the merits of the article, they'd rather discuss the style of the prose.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by simonebrunozzi on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:47AM (#24271866)
For you, my comment is worthless. Perhaps it is not for other people.

The fact that I did not read the entire LONG article is precisely what made me comment on how lengthy the article is, without providing enough context to know how the fraud scheme was perpetrated.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by stephenhuey on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:46AM (#24271268)
I grew up reading a lot of long novels as a kid and rather enjoy long-form articles as well since there’s an opportunity to gain a richer perspective of the story. Texas Monthly has been around for half a century and their long-form articles are a welcome respite from short blips of journalistic writing that barely do justice to an interesting story to cater to short attention spans. I’m not saying this is the best article ever, but as an example of one I appreciated a lot, they once covered the twists and turns a Collin Street Bakery accountant took to steal vast sums from the company over many years so he and his wife could enjoy being part of the high society of the prominent small town. You might not care about that topic but my relatives have ordered this famous bakery’s fruitcakes for generations so it was a particularly intriguing story to me, and I know Texas Monthly was not trying to win someone like you over with clickbait. I’ve seen their hefty magazines on coffee tables for decades and I associate them with thoughtful writing. The story I mentioned is “Just Desserts”.

https://features.texasmonthly.com/editorial/just-desserts/

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by xyzzyz on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @01:33AM (#24268374)
The insurance frauds were not really wild, just run of the mill kind, insure for more than you paid for it, crash it and claim damages. The wild element was the guy pursuing them.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by MaximumYComb on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @02:10AM (#24268513)
I'm not knowledgeable on the inner workings of insurance but if the company agrees to insure for $X, even if it's more than you paid, then isn't that legal? I assume the deliberate crashing is the illegal part?
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by SilasX on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @02:30AM (#24268623)
Insurance companies are well aware of the geniuses constantly rediscovering that you can overinsure something you don't care about and then cash it in.[1]

They try to protect against that by requiring that you can only get policies on something you have an "insurable interest" [2] in (i.e. independent reason to value it and not want the insured event to happen to it).

They also try to closely calibrate payouts so that they're not significantly more than the market value of the loss (ideally, a bit less) and thus prevent the "moral hazard".

Yes, sometimes you can get ahead of them and get a policy paying $X where X is significantly greater than the actual value to you, and have an expected value (profit * probability - costs) greater than zero. But you will almost certainly have to commit insurance fraud to do so, by hitting one of many "tripwires" that the insurance contracts have: lacking insurable interest, misrepresenting market value, actively causing the incident yourself, etc. [3] Any of those would give them an out.

[1] https://xkcd.com/1494/

[2] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/insurable-interest.asp

[3] My comment on a similar story where the same logic applies; in that case, the fraudster exploited the fact that they weren't charging enough to cover the probability of the event, and insured events she didn't have an interest in: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23528221

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by refurb on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:53AM (#24272596)
I thought it odd that the insurance paid out a set value. I always thought it was “insurance pays value of what you lost” and that was determined after the loss.

So the fraud is really misrepresenting what you lost, not insuring it for a set value when you buy the policy.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by sokoloff on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @01:39PM (#24273855)
Collector car insurance and airplane insurance is typically written on an "agreed value" basis, where the insurer agrees at policy issuance that the car/airplane is worth $X if declared a total loss. We had a collector car insured through Hagerty that was hit by a red-light runner. They were amazing to deal with and paid the agreed value (minus the value of the crashed chassis that we bought back from them) within just a few days and went after the at-fault driver's insurance without us having to hassle with anything.

Airplanes and collector cars do not have a readily available source of "comps" to determine value and in both cases, the cost to recreate a given condition is typically higher than the value of that car/airplane in the open market. I can have an airplane that is "worth" $250K to me, that I could only sell for $200K, but that would cost $300K or more to recreate exactly by starting with an available airplane and re-customizing the avionics and airframe mods exactly. In such a case, I can probably get a policy written for any agreed value as low as I want (at the risk that I'd get cut a check for that amount and have no airplane in the event of a loss) and pretty close to $300K.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by rootsudo on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @03:33AM (#24268933)
I would argue three. Anyone can get an interest in anything, can't they?
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by simonh on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @07:44AM (#24270347)
Insurance isn't actually gambling and the legal frameworks they operate under are very different. They have common features mathematically, but they serve very different economic and commercial purposes.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by jacobush on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @05:17AM (#24269472)
An interest in making money, you mean?
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by rootsudo on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @03:52PM (#24275322)
I had an insurance salesman tell me stories of how farmers/speculators insure crop against loss and how some people buy policies for the explicit expectation of profiting on bad weather years because the policies are quite inexpensive.

That's why I argue and can debate #3. I'm not an expect, I don't know how it works, this was a waaaaay ago (2015.)

So, you know, my personal anecdote changes perspective and that sort of mindthink.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by wyldfire on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:41AM (#24271805)
> I don't want to read a novel

I don't think you're the audience this article is intended for. The article is written intentionally to be like a novella -- it's for a magazine. News/journalism sites are much more "just the facts ma'am"-focused.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by goatherders on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:40AM (#24271204)
How sad to have such a short attention span in a world full of intrigue.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by dreamcompiler on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:23AM (#24271046)
It's Texas Monthly. Whatever it's about, it'll be a well-written true story about outlandish characters that's worth your time.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by ajkjk on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @04:38AM (#24269292)
Dang, I really liked the long story. Just don't read it if you don't?
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by jylam on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @06:15AM (#24269782)
You didn't like OPs comment, but you replied anyway. And you can't know if you like something before reading it. And it is a forum, where anyone can (reasonably) tell everyone what (s)he think.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by ajkjk on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:16PM (#24278390)
yeah, but it's mildly useful for people know that OP's comment isn't representative of readers, whereas it's not important that people know OP didn't like something because it was longform.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by pottertheotter on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @01:59AM (#24268464)
There's too many articles like this these days. I don't mind reading longform, but I've mostly given up on the format because of this issue.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by Semaphor on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @03:50AM (#24269032)
The fraud is simply not the point. It’s a piece about TR Wright and his pursuer Reed. The headline is simply not that fitting.

The final paragraphs have a good summary of what type of character it is about:

> If he hadn’t gotten caught when he did, his business only would have escalated toward riskier, more-dangerous illegal dealings. “I probably would have had a RICO [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations] indictment […];

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by owlninja on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:25AM (#24272293)
Texas Monthly has been doing this for a long time. I personally like saving them for when I have a little downtime as they are usually very well done.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by ksherlock on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @08:34AM (#24270648)
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by readarticle on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @04:36AM (#24269280)
Comments like these aren’t very useful at this point and only detract from the conversation in a manner akin to people reflexively complaining about website design issues.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by tantalor on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:30AM (#24271105)
A 6 hundred word article is blown up to 6 thousand words to fill more pages and sell more ads. It's not for the benefit of the reader.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by zonethundery on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:46AM (#24271262)
Texas Monthly has a long, storied history as a well-regarded print magazine. A content farm it is not.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by SilasX on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @12:24PM (#24273007)
>A content farm it is not.

My overloaded uBlock says otherwise...

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by michaelcampbell on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:12AM (#24271512)
There were exactly 0 ads in that piece (unless you consider the 1 pitch to subscribe to that same magazine an ad).
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by SilasX on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @12:25PM (#24273034)
Did you have an adblocker on? It definitely has ads -- I see a few within and a Frost ad to the side. uBlock reports 13 things blocked ... and updates.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by tantalor on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @12:25PM (#24273031)
I count 7: 4 third-party ad spots on desktop, and 3 subscription pitches (in-house ads) in the article copy.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by LudwigNagasena on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:03AM (#24271441)
No joke. 4 out of 5 times I open a news article on HN it is some kind of novella I have no interest in.

In our age of short time spans and competition for attention you would think news magazines would be concise and to the point, I would even say, lapidary. But for some reason they became an outlet for graphomania?

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by dragonwriter on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:07AM (#24271472)
> In our age of short time spans and competition for attention you would think news magazines would be concise and to the point,

There are terse news outlets, but news magazines whole reason for existence, from the beginning, is providing deeper, more complete coverage of fewer stories than “short-deadline, break-it-first” media like TV and newspapers.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by LudwigNagasena on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @02:22PM (#24274338)
More flowery, yes. Deeper and more complete? I didn't notice that.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by mcphage on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @04:58PM (#24276031)
> you would think news magazines would be concise and to the point, I would even say, lapidary. But for some reason they became an outlet for graphomania?

Some people enjoy reading.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by antihero on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:46AM (#24272528)
Have you considered reddit? Or possibly 9gag?
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by LudwigNagasena on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @01:06PM (#24273491)
Reddit is just a link aggregator and 9gag is just an entertainment site.
Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by bluedevil2k on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:01AM (#24272014)
Sooooooo much whining and complaining about the length of the article in this comment thread. You realize you paid absolutely nothing to read it right? That the author is under no obligation to you to provide a "tldr;" for the people who think they're so busy they can't take 15 minutes to read a well-crafted and interesting story about a hustler and the guy trying to catch him.

Seriously, if your attention span is too short to read a medium-length article then you should really self-reflect about what's going on in your life.

Re:The wildest insurance fraud scheme in Texas by somehnguy on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:11AM (#24272142)
I'm not sure why this appears to be a personal attack thing for you. I totally agree with the other commenter on this, 99% of the time when I see an article that is super long and takes a long time to get to the point I'll just click off. The fact is that it just doesn't matter or affect me enough to invest more than a minute or two reading it. In written form I prefer just getting the facts, not a short story. For longer stuff I prefer listening so I can go on a walk or do other things while taking in the (not really useful to me, but interesting) information, like a podcast format.

You may prefer the opposite, and thats OK too. It doesn't necessarily mean there is anything to significant reflect on in either of our lives. Or that one of us has the 'wrong' preference.