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Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by nrp on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:14PM (#24202997)
Most of the folks on this thread are commenting from the perspective of 2020, but Facebook had pretty significantly different reputation in 2014, especially around M&A. They had recently brought in both Instagram and WhatsApp without meddling in either their product stacks or their leadership teams. It's easy to claim now that this was all naive, but at the time it was plausible that these organizations and brands would remain fairly independent and autonomous within the Facebook umbrella.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by shazow on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:00PM (#24203628)
Here's a blog post I wrote in response to the acquisition when it happened in 2014: https://medium.com/@shazow/re-facebook-acquires-oculus-f8589...

I was far from the only one who was saying this at the time. I don't believe Facebook had a significantly different reputation in 2014.

I also have a follow-up draft from 2016 that talks about how the things predicted in the blog post have already begun.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by gambler on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:59PM (#24203614)
No.

This development was trivially predictable right when Facebook acquired Oculus. Which is why I bought Vive instead.

You don't need to be a genius to see stuff like this ahead of time. All you have to do is refuse to be gaslit and be honest about the high-level drivers of corporate decision-making.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by mrguyorama on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:23PM (#24203870)
I also spent an extra $100 to buy a Vive instead of a Rift. I didn't predict this exact action but I didn't trust Facebook to keep their fingers off of it
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by fomine3 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:09PM (#24205804)
I wish there are viable alternatives for Quest.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by causality0 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @12:16AM (#24207098)
I wish I'd done the same. Oculus Home is a truly atrocious piece of software and frankly I haven't touched my Rift in a year because of it.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by moron4hire on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:14AM (#24207354)
Right? "Oh, you've got this full, 3D, completely spatial work space. Look at the fireplace, isn't it gorgeous? Now EAT A 2D MENU! EAT IT! RIGHT NOW IN YOUR FACE!!!"
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by causality0 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:43AM (#24207824)
More that it constantly asserts that things are working when they aren't and aren't when they are, freaks out if it isn't the only thing connected to an HDMI port though DP and DVI are fine, declares some titles "undownloadable" for no reason.

Nothing, though, compares to the irredeemable idiocy of forcing the user to have a monitor, mouse, and keyboard facing their play area in order to set up the guardian system, which you have to do essentially every time you use it because it will go out of alignment at a gnat's fart despite being screwed to the desk.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by crakhamster01 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @03:41AM (#24208103)
As an anecdote, I recently bought the Quest and have had a really seamless experience. None of these issues around display ports or configuring the play area for Guardian are a factor with this version.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by jimmaswell on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:50PM (#24204187)
$100 doesn't sound worth not having to use a facebook account to me. you can just make a bogus one with no info on it.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by kmonsen on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @06:10PM (#24204944)
Can you? Don't you need a credit card attached?

Still possible but most people will not that far to hide information from facebook.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by softawre on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @10:14AM (#24210556)
You need a CC attached to buy stuff on the Oculus store.

I've got 100+ VR games and never bought anything on the Oculus store. Steam games work just as well, and will be easier to use if you ever switch to another VR headset.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by rvnx on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @06:37PM (#24205173)
Same problem with Fitbit and Nest and Google :(
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by sharken on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @09:32PM (#24206292)
Had settled on getting a Fitbit as my fitness and sleep tracker, but was unaware of the acquisition by Google :/

Given the Oculus/FB fallout here I want to buy somewhere else.

And trusting Garmin seems a bit unlikely, sigh.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by katbyte on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @09:58PM (#24206435)
Apple Watch at iOS/apple seem to take privacy at least half serious
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by ericd on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @11:55PM (#24207004)
I have a general policy of not keeping hardware from known user-hostile companies in my house. They have way more time to worm things I don't want into their hardware than I have time to keep tabs on it, so I just don't.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by Dylan16807 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @10:18PM (#24206522)
> This development was trivially predictable right when Facebook acquired Oculus. Which is why I bought Vive instead.

Did you just predict it happening "eventually"?

If you predicted it would happen before your headset was obsolete, I'd say you were wrong. And that's usually the important part for making a purchase. Six to seven years is enough lifetime for an early VR kit.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by thw0rted on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:06AM (#24303196)
A big part of the draw for Oculus is platform-exclusives. Even if the hardware is obsolete, the catalog of games you bought on their store isn't, and if that's tied to staying in their hardware ecosystem when you upgrade....
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by Macha on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @08:09AM (#24209572)
Certainly there are better headsets out now than the original Vive, but I'm not sure I'd classify it as obsolete. You can still take a modern VR title and play it and get the full experience. Calling the original Vive obsolete at this stage would be like calling 1080p monitors obsolete.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by Dylan16807 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @12:26PM (#24212244)
Tracking keeps improving in important ways, the resolution is not amazing, and we still have more than two years before we actually hit the point where I'm saying it will be obsolete.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by whywhywhywhy on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @07:59AM (#24209520)
Why hasn't it happened to Instagram and WhatsApp then if it was trivially predictable?
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by josefx on Thursday August 20, 2020 @07:24AM (#24222093)
Because they have several European regulators breathing down their neck when it comes to WhatsApp at least. So it isn't as if Facebook hasn't tried to move into that direction.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by seba_dos1 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:30PM (#24203235)
The fact that it was actually discussed back then, people were asking about it and that Luckey was assuring them that it won't happen (even despite of the fact that he wasn't going to be in charge anymore) clearly shows that Facebook's reputation wasn't as "significantly different" back then than how you paint it.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by stjohnswarts on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:57PM (#24203586)
The people here are very on point and no doubt said the same thing in 2014 if they were privacy minded at the time. Most are under no delusion that "we will not do _______ , either now, or in the future" as empty promises. They were right then and they're right now. Facebook has obviously been in the business of selling its users out from the very beginning and no one who lives in this reality would have accepted such a promise from them as anything other than a nicety.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by edgarvaldes on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:32PM (#24204013)
Mmm... nah.

From the 2014 HN thread[0]

>Please login using your Facebook account to continue.

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7469242

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by rmrfstar on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @05:22PM (#24204499)
> Facebook had pretty significantly different reputation in 2014

That's not really true. Hipster antitrust wasn't a thing yet, so people weren't talking about it at your neighborhood Starbucks. But serious people were talking about it. Look at the conflicts of interest disclosures for prominent antitrust scholars... they were busy during that period.

Also, the infamous "Zuckerberg destroy mode" email is from 2012.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by kevingadd on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:56PM (#24203571)
afaik they also betrayed similar promises made to the WhatsApp founders, to their dismay.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/30/17304792/whatsapp-jan-kou...

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by EpicEng on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @08:13PM (#24205822)
>user: nrp

>Founder at Framework, formerly part of the Oculus founding team

I don't recall it being much different, but I _do_ recall the outcry from Oculus followers and fans when the buyout occurred. This is exactly what we predicted and the fact that PL was assuring us it wouldn't happen would seem to disagree with what you're saying. It seems you may have just been ignoring it at the time for what may be a very obvious reason.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by jacquesm on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @03:20PM (#24203084)
It doesn't really matter though, does it? No matter what the history of Facebook he wasn't in a position to make those promises, period.

You can only make promises about what you control.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by ehnto on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @05:02PM (#24204296)
I have to disagree, many assumed there would be some kind of hamfisted integration even in 2014. The only surprising thing is how long they held off.

I had huge concerns regarding FB's purchase of Oculus at the time and I wasn't the only one. It was the single reason I did not buy an Oculus. It wasn't that I thought they would be brazen either, I just assumed they would be hoovering data up behind the scenes, and trading data between Oculus and FB.

If this announcement had occurred in 2014, it would not have been surprising, I think the concerns were clear from the outset to most of the community. The only people who were starry eyed were those who just wanted Oculus funded well and were happy to take the word of the founder.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by konjin on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @03:57AM (#24208185)
I was posting here and reddit in 2014. No they really had a terrible reputation back then too.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by IncRnd on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:36PM (#24204046)
Facebook's reputations in 2014 or 2020 don't matter. This is what happens and how the world works.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by AndyMcConachie on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @11:30AM (#24211421)
No. Facebook already had a history of lying by 2014.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by sukilot on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @12:48AM (#24207211)
Partner Luckey himself had admitted he was wrong. Why are you holding out and embarassing yourself further?
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Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by ABoldGambit on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:20PM (#24203848)
You'll be downvoted because HN etiquette not because people necessarily disagree with your sentiment
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by jameshart on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:31PM (#24203988)
That sentiment is of course not, originally, attributable to kps though.

Regarding people who ascribe benign intent to Facebook, it was first expressed by one M Zuckerberg. In 2004. And first reported by Business Insider in 2010.

Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by Karunamon on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:51PM (#24204195)
In 2004, yes. 16 years ago. I'd hate to be judged for immature statements I made nearly two decades ago.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by liability on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @05:02PM (#24204302)
Whether or not it's fair to judge people for things they said 16 years ago when none of their subsequent actions or statements give any reason to believe they're a different person today isn't germane to the point, which is that Facebook/Zuckerberg's poor reputation are not new.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by Karunamon on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @05:03PM (#24204311)
I guess I tire of that (second hand, mind) quote being brought up as if it's relevant to anything today.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by liability on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @05:38PM (#24204659)
That's my point though; it may be irrelevant in many cases, but it is relevant to the matter of how long Zuckerbeg has had a poor reputation. Such a question obviously calls for the examination of old stories and quotes.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by causality0 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @12:18AM (#24207107)
I'd wager Facebook does much worse things with your data now than they were doing in 2004.
Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by est31 on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @04:28PM (#24203960)
I think GP is downvoted because of a misunderstanding. I think GP wanted to highlight the "dumb fucks" quote of Zuckerberg, where he refers to people uploading data to his platform with that term. That quote became public in 2010, almost half a decade before 2014. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg#Quotes
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Re:Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices by Nuzzerino on Tuesday August 18, 2020 @10:28PM (#24206578)
Doesn't seem like much of a 'friend' if the conversation made its way to the internet