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Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by manjalyc on Sunday August 09, 2020 @10:00AM (#24099682)
> Most workflows can benefit from multiple monitors.

Maybe some people benefit from this but I’ve always found it distracting and in some cases a bit annoying. I’ve always preferred simply having multiple desktops and switching between them instantly with a keystroke which is great in most Linux DEs/WMs but a terrible experience in Windows. It’s gotten to a point where even though I have 2 displays, I just turn one off 99% of the time.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by smoe on Sunday August 09, 2020 @10:26AM (#24099838)
Same for me. Multiple desktops with tiled windows on a single screen has been a much better experience than the two screen setup I had in every job before.

Example for my desktops setup for web application development over the last couple of years:

1. Browser with the product I'm currently working on, nothing else

2. Shells for all sorts of small tasks like tailing a log to REPLs for quick experimentations

3. Application IDE(s)

4. SQL IDE

5. Music player

6. Communication (Mail, slack, etc.) and secondary browser for miscellaneous things

The greatest thing for me is, that what I'm currently doing is in full focus and everything else basically doesn't exist. No notifications dinging in peripheral vision or other distractions. Also it is nice, that when I switch to laptop only, the workflows are exactly the same just with more limited screen space = less tiles I can use.

If for a given tasks it is beneficial to have things side by side, it is just a couple of key strokes to re-arrange windows and or create an ad-hoc desktop until the task is finished.

Of course I could use multiple desktops and tiled windows on multiple screens, but from my experiments it added more complexity that benefits.

I would rather go for a bigger, higher quality screen than adding another.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by markstos on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:47AM (#24100349)
Agreed. My major workflows involve a 28" 4K screen with a tiling window manager. The second monitor is often empty or has chat window or music player in it.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by rightbyte on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:20PM (#24101127)
Ye that is how I use multiple monitors too. 2nd monitor has something I use like 5 minutes to the hour, like Spotify etc.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by dajohnson89 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:46PM (#24101358)
what does a 4k screen do for productivity? i get the image is clearer than 1080p but is it worth the higher spend?
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by oneplane on Sunday August 09, 2020 @02:11PM (#24101593)
Depends on how you run it. A screen is more than just "4k", or 4000 pixels wide. The amount of pixels in total spread out over the physical dimension, depending on the aspect ratio and the distance between you and the screen as well as the rendered density by the computer together make the result.

So, you could use a 27 inch 4k display at 16:9 aspect ratio (which is 3840 by 2160 pixels) in a way that gets you the native resolution which results in much more usable space but the displayed quality isn't all that great. You can run them at 2560x1440 rendering which sacrifices some pace for much improved quality. Works well when you don't sit super close to your screen. Or, if you like more space but still have a little better quality than the jagged mess that is the native resolution, you could run it at 3008x1692. Close to fully usable space but still way better in terms of quality.

The scale of your computer rendered interface and text versus the actual pixel size and density on your display gives you a balance to choose from for space vs. quality. Which one works best is a combination between physical distance to the screen and personal preference (which mostly forms based on cognitive load).

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by spanhandler on Sunday August 09, 2020 @05:48PM (#24103220)
My experience, after buying a monitor for home for the first time in like a decade and getting a very nice 27" HP z27 4K: it's... fine. I think I'd need like 5 more diagonal inches before I could really fit more on it than I can on a lower-pixel-count 16:10 monitor the same size. Because of the way scaling works, what I want is everything scaled to about 1.5x, but that's computationally expensive and/or looks bad, so in practice I run at 2x anyway, so the benefits in stuff-on-screen aren't really that high. I can keep fonts set a little smaller I guess.

I kinda regret not getting 2x 1440p monitors with similar picture quality for less money.

Meanwhile it makes using Linux a giant pain in the ass, unless you go all-in on a major desktop on a major distro, and then also get lucky. Possibly I'd have a better opinion of it if I were using it with macOS rather than Win10 and Linux.

[EDIT] and OMG lacking auto-temp-control based on surrounding light has me really wishing I'd just put the monitor cash toward an iMac. Way more eye strain.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by dajohnson89 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:52AM (#24140962)
install redshift or something similar. it's basically flux
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by alasdair_ on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:56PM (#24101454)
It lets you fit more stuff on the screen, legibly.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by rozab on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:23AM (#24100160)
One situation where I've found it invaluable recently is Zoom standups. I like to see everyone at the same time rather than let Zoom decide who I want to look at, and our kanban board has 7 (!) columns. Of course I could just switch between these things, but you don't really notice the cognitive load that causes until it's gone (and I do use a nice tiling WM setup)
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by elliekelly on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:38AM (#24100272)
I’m saddened that so many morning standups have transitioned to video instead of quietly dying off.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by alasdair_ on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:54PM (#24101438)
We switched to asynchronous standups that just involve writing a short post stating what we did yesterday, what we are doing today and any questions/blockers we have.

Everyone seems to prefer it. They don't have to stop what they are doing at exactly 10am, and they can re-read things that are relevant and skip things that are not easily. There is also a bit more personal accountability because everyone can see what was said in previous days.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by ww520 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @02:15PM (#24101626)
Time to dust up the deep fake and some gt-3 standard answers for the standup.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by m463 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @02:42PM (#24101826)
hmmm... can gpt-3 code too?
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by tra3 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:51AM (#24100375)
Are you saying you don’t like the format, don’t find the meetings valuable, or both?
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by smoe on Sunday August 09, 2020 @12:38PM (#24100775)
Not GP, but my impression is a bit, that the better things are going, the more farcical stand ups can become. The status update aspect of it could be automatized from the task management tooling, people reach out for help/input as needed and don't wait for the next stand up, socialize outside of these allocated slots, etc.

With every recurring meeting no matter the frequency you have to be quite careful in my opinion and constantly re-evaluate and tweak to keep it useful most of the time, instead it being a dogmatic ritual that has to be done a specific way because somebody learned it as such from an "Agile" book, certificate, course, video.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by ysavir on Sunday August 09, 2020 @02:04PM (#24101531)
> The status update aspect of it could be automatized from the task management tooling, people reach out for help/input as needed and don't wait for the next stand up, socialize outside of these allocated slots, etc.

People rarely understand the point of agile and, specifically, standups. Using it as a daily check in, especially as status updates, is contrary to agile's intentions. The real purpose is to make sure that people on the team frequently expose problems. If people are already doing that consistently, then standup as a practice is fairly moot.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by smoe on Sunday August 09, 2020 @03:15PM (#24102046)
For me standup meetings are not a part of agile. The latter is more of a minset, how you go on about things. Everything else, standups, scrum boards, epics, story points, squads, retros etc. are just tools that might or might not be useful for a team. You can be agile without them, and you can not be agile with the entire array of buzzwords.

I think there is an useful status update component to standups. Not to your boss, to have a shared view among the team what the state of the product is. But this has to be aligned with how fast to product is meaningfully changing. Some times this might indeed be daily, but otherwise it quickly becomes just noise.

Of course some managers think the product has to or can meaningfully change every day.

I agree, that if you do them you should make them about exposing problems.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by therealdrag0 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @08:40PM (#24104261)
Ya the only value I don’t totally discount in them is the forced socialization. It’s sorta like eating dinner together as a family. As a kid you might not want to participate but at the end of the day there is value in that cohesion. And if it’s not scheduled it’ll not happen much, or it’ll happen among cliques.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by alasdair_ on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:50PM (#24101399)
For web stuff, I find having three monitors invaluable.

One monitor for code, one for the browser (and devtools window) and a third for everything else (an API document, or a spec, a control for the music I'm streaming or a chat window etc.)

I've found the same setup works really well for any workflow that involves making a small change and immediately seeing the result.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by swiley on Sunday August 09, 2020 @12:05PM (#24100518)
IMO the WMs on windows and OSX sucks.

sloppy focus is way more helpful than multiple monitors. You can have your editor largely obscured by documentation (or the other way around) and still type. This is especially nice with modern UIs which seem to think wasting screen real estate with white space and ribbons is an important recent innovation.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by awinder on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:51AM (#24100373)
I was the same way and ultrawide is the happy medium for me. 1.5x width lets me have 3 columns of windows instead of 2 and then I virtual desktop for more expansion.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by olvy0 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:26PM (#24101164)
I personally find multiple monitors to be very distracting, in fact I get headaches and dizziness when sitting with someone with 2 or more monitors. I'm so used to a single monitor that the fact the mouse cursor doesn't stop at the edge of the screen and goes on to the other one is extremely disorienting. Now, I'm sure I could get used to 2 monitors, and I'm just stuck in my ways, but for my current workflow I don't see the benefit. I'm distracted enough as it is by emails/chats.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by jniedrauer on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:47AM (#24100347)
I use a tiling window manager and often have up to 6 editor panels open at a time, spread across 3 monitors. I honestly don't know how people are productive with a single editor window.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by namelosw on Sunday August 09, 2020 @10:50AM (#24099974)
I found myself having productivity issues while having two displays because I always have to decide which display the window should belong to.

Then I upgraded to 3 displays, it's much better. Because I have an explicit main display.

So a viable way is, even with two displays, don't try to utilize them. Put the main one in the center, and pretend the other doesn't exist. Once you really want to use the other display, instead of for the sake of utilizing them only, you'll know it.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by ryandrake on Sunday August 09, 2020 @12:06PM (#24100533)
About four or five years ago, I was finally able to swing my ultimate monitor setup. 27” 5K iMac in the center and a 27” Thunderbolt Display (2560 x 1440) on both sides. All three wall mounted so I keep all my desk space free. The side displays are angled inward by about 20 degrees. Unlike windows and Linux, which both perpetually don’t seem to care about hi-dpi displays and low-dpi displays in the same desktop, macOS seamlessly handles dragging windows across the entire workspace.

Main task in the main display, docs and other references on the left display and email/messages on the right. Works wonderfully.

I’m so used to this setup that when I go to my real job and am constrained to a single monitor I feel like I’m looking through a periscope at my work.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by namelosw on Sunday August 09, 2020 @12:12PM (#24100577)
Touche. Me too work with 3 27" monitors mounted with arms, while in my company I work with single 24" monitor... It's painful.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by smoe on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:17AM (#24100106)
> So a viable way is, even with two displays, don't try to utilize them.

I did that before switching to single display after having multiples from the first day of my career onwards. But I didn't even had to try. By the end, because of how my work and setup has evolved, the second display was switched off 99% of the time.

So when I have the choice I put the entire budget into an ever better single monitor, rather than splitting it.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by namelosw on Sunday August 09, 2020 @12:10PM (#24100557)
I would recommend the same. I usually only put things like Slack or documentations in the off screens - it's pretty 'read only'. I also use ultrawide screens occasionally in my hometown's house. I found the problem with 3 displays is I cannot put one application span across displays or there would be a 'bar' in the center of the application. I have to put them far left or right instead of placing them in more comfort zones.

With that being said, I ended up with 3 monitors in my apartment because I bought them incrementally across 3 years(though they're the same model). And also I play video games from time to time, for most of the games, it's better to have 3 monitors instead of an ultrawide one.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by jpitz on Sunday August 09, 2020 @12:33PM (#24100736)
Rectangle solved that problem for me, by making it very easy to move windows around.

https://rectangleapp.com/

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by humaniania on Sunday August 09, 2020 @02:02PM (#24101514)
Task View and Windows Virtual Desktops are actually quite good in Windows 10. Most people never try them.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by throwayws on Sunday August 09, 2020 @10:48AM (#24099958)
Assigning programs/roles to certain screens helped me there. For example the left monitor is the browser, the center the editor and the right for consoles.

Though when a task only needs one screen for more than a couple of minutes to stay focused shutting off the other screens does help.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by fortran77 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @10:03AM (#24099698)
I can toggle between virtual desktops with a keystroke in Windows, too! I have mine set to CTRL-WINDOWS-arrow. Let me know what you're having trouble with and I can help you get Windows 10 set up the way you want.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by tomlu on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:56AM (#24100422)
You need to be able to switch directly from workspace #1 to #8 (eg.), not hitting ctrl-windows-arrow 7 times. I use AutoHotKey for this purpose.

I agree with the grandparent poster that the Windows situation is very bad compared to something like i3.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by MperorM on Sunday August 09, 2020 @12:41PM (#24100792)
For those on macOS this can be set in system preferences -> keyboard -> shortcuts -> mission control.

I highly recommend using multiple desktops with dedicated hotkeys over alt+tab to switch between applications. Much much faster to press fn+cmd+<h, j , k, l> and immediately bring up the application you want than to tab until you find the application you are looking for.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by _Microft on Sunday August 09, 2020 @10:43AM (#24099926)
This either works out of the box or it is something that PowerToys added (which I have installed, so I do not know for sure).

Also very useful: the windows-key shortcut overview that the PowerToys added (keep the windows-keypressed for a second or two to bring it up).

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by smoe on Sunday August 09, 2020 @10:56AM (#24100000)
Could you give me some pointers how to setup virtual desktops and tiled windows that are completely keyboard controllable?

I only use W10 as a secondary OS and never used windows as main since XP/2000. So far never got to dig deeper into this. It seems to me that out of the box a lot of the functionality is there, but there are also a lot of related third party (often paid) tools.

What are some good combination of tools (third party, paid or not) and settings for a more keyboard centric i guess you could call it, setup of Windows? At the moment to me it feels a bit like, that I could do everything with just keyboard but I'm not meant to.

Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by Woberto on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:05AM (#24100044)
WINDOWS+arrow will tile the current window and give the opportunity to tile other windows next to it
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by thom on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:22AM (#24100142)
Without weird third party stuff, it annoys me that I can’t map desktops to Ctrl-1/2/3/4 which is how I have it set up in Linux. Hopefully they eventually make all this more flexible.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by learc83 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:32AM (#24100227)
The easiest way to do stuff like this is with a keyboard that supports macros.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by sp332 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:54AM (#24100406)
Doesn't that interfere with app shortcuts?
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by stjohnswarts on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:02PM (#24100976)
I think that depends on the apps you're using. I like his chances on the desktop switching being more handy than in app combinations.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by thom on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:25AM (#24100179)
Where it’s feasible for a given task, I find nothing more productive than just switching to a Linux virtual console and running Emacs in text mode there. The complete absence of doodads gives a huge boost to my focus.
Re:Ask HN: What are some available force multipliers that mo... by zarkov99 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:59PM (#24101483)
I do this as well but I can get easily disoriented by the abrupt changes in the layout. Does that happen to you at all?