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Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by burlesona on Saturday July 25, 2020 @10:49PM (#23954015)
Wow, weird.

Also I can’t imagine getting a box of seeds in the mail (unsolicited) and thinking to myself, “I should plant these and see what comes up!”

Edit, found more about this here: https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/virginia/vir...

Along with a story of a Chinese National attempting to transport birds into Virginia which are known to be transmitters of Avian flu.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by notatoad on Saturday July 25, 2020 @10:59PM (#23954063)
>Also I can’t imagine getting a box of seeds in the mail (unsolicited) and thinking to myself, “I should plant these and see what comes up!”

different strokes for different folks i guess, but that is absolutely something i would do. or would have done if they'd arrived in may, planting in august is kinda pointless where i live.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by londons_explore on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:14PM (#23954141)
Yeah - I'd totally plant them... In fact, I have.

My seeds arrived about 2 years ago, from China, entirely unannounced, and directed to my address in London, but with no name.

They turned out to be strawberries. Nothing unusual about them as far as I can taste...

They inspired me to make a service for other people to get random gifts from China... [1]

[1]: https://erraticpacket.com

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Scoundreller on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:24PM (#23954182)
I find a lot of the Chinese eBay sellers have a... bizarre... assortments of items for sale. I fear, one day, I'll order some USB cables, and get stuck having to explain to someone why child-sized lingerie has been shipped to my name.

So far, the only gross error I've had was a getting sent hairclippers instead of a Dreamcast controller. Could've used the clippers, but wrong voltage :(

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by 1996 on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:21PM (#23954169)
Can you make it be about seeds? There's something fun and magic about not knowing in advance what you will get.

The examples you give like a bike repair kit are not really enticing.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by londons_explore on Sunday July 26, 2020 @05:08AM (#23955599)
Easter egg: Put "seed" after your surname on the sign-up form and it'll use a seed whitelist I just made.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Firerouge on Sunday July 26, 2020 @07:16AM (#23956211)
I believe this now makes you the cheapest subscription monthly order seed service. You might have some trouble marketing this angle though, what with the hysteria over seeds from China right now.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by 1996 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:45PM (#23958295)
Can you please recommend other similar services?

I only need that from spring to summer. My greenhouse isn't setup yet.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Firerouge on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:36PM (#23958659)
I'm afraid I can't, I haven't used any of them.

From googling there appears to be quite a few, both curated and otherwise, what I saw ranged from $3 per shipment to $15+

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by TheSpiceIsLife on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:06AM (#23954355)
Imagine they’re Asparagus asparagoides.

Oops!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asparagus_asparagoides

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by klipt on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:13AM (#23954383)
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by TheSpiceIsLife on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:46AM (#23954509)
Nasty!

Keen to try it though.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by amelius on Sunday July 26, 2020 @08:04AM (#23956462)
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by TheSpiceIsLife on Sunday July 26, 2020 @11:32AM (#23957776)
I wonder if the toxins have been screened for usefulness for humans, either as pesticides or medicines etc?
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by amelius on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:19PM (#23958518)
There's probably still some untapped potential, but Wikipedia says:

> A gum can be produced from the bark which reportedly treats edema, while the dried fruits have been used as a diuretic.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by catlifeonmars on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:03AM (#23954567)
In the photos, those look like morning glory seeds.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by 1996 on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:19PM (#23954164)
Same. I can't believe the FUD that's going on. What's the worst that can happen with a seed?? It will not open a portal to another dimension! A plant will just grow out of it.

You keep it inside and take a picture and you will know if you will get nice flowers, or vegetables, or...nothing. Just leaves.

As a kid I loved to plant seeds in plastic cups and see what grew out of it, and trying additives to see if they could help the plant grow. Once I grew a little tomato, and ate it. I didn't drop dead from tomato consumption.

It's innocent and safe. The government should have no business regulating what people do with seeds.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Hnrobert42 on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:44PM (#23954269)
The worst that could happen is something like (kudzu)[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudzu]. See the Invasive Species section.

Your passion for experimentation and cultivation is awesome. I get that you don’t want the government telling you what you can and can’t do. So, instead, what if you look at it as a fellow citizen asking you to please not plant random seeds from China in the ground outside, unattended.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by 1996 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:32PM (#23958211)
Hence the 'keeping it inside' part. I would not plan outside a vine or something that may interfere with my other plants, until I know what it is.

Still, I fail to see the harm of growing the seed inside to identify the plant. People here have reported receiving cucumbers and strawberries. No one has reported receiving vines or anything else.

I am very surprised by the level of fear and paranoia regarding everything and especially China: we are looking at horse gift in the mouth, then saying it is a bioterrorism plot. Unbelievable!! When I was a kid, that would have been the best mail-order present ever!

Also, regarding kudzu and the like, I fail to see the harm. The environment changes. We may not like that, but that's how life is. Instead of trying to undo changes, maybe we should adapt to them.

Kudzu seems good for livestock, rich in protein and isoflavones. Trying to burn it seems to be due to a distinct lack of imagination and profit motive. It's a free input!!! Find new ways to chop it down to feed it to livestock. Make it into a food supplement.

Anything looks better than just destruction and nostalgia for the time it wasn't here. It's here now. Adapt!

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by xzel on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:34PM (#23954216)
Invasive species are mostly bad for ecosystems. They introduce a lot of unknowns. There is nothing safe for neither humans nor wildlife about possibility introducing invasive species.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by dboreham on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:33AM (#23954463)
Go visit a place with a noxious weed problem (e.g the Bitterroot Valley) for positive confirmation of this.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by saagarjha on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:24AM (#23954643)
Or closer to many people here, yellow star thistle (yes, that annoying spiky plant you’ll often see in the California grass).
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by hedora on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:19AM (#23954871)
The hills of California used to be green in the summer. The dead yellow fire hazard grass is called “avena” and is an invasive species.

If I ran things, I’d develop an avena-specific herbicide, and drop it from helicopters every spring.

Replacing it with natives would lower the fire risk substantially, and probably also cool the hills off a bit during the summer.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Agentlien on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:22AM (#23954885)
Personally, I tend to have trouble controlling my mint.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by perl4ever on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:52PM (#23954303)
>It's innocent and safe. The government should have no business regulating what people do with seeds.

I feel like that boat has flown, or whatever. It's kind of like saying the government should have no business checking passports or levying an income tax or something.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by 1996 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:41PM (#23958271)
Modern geeks seem to only care about government control.

But I have read about the old time hackers, who yearned freedom and experimentation. It seemed to have been widespread: I have seen movies from the 1980s, and noticed the same thing: people seem less fearful, more open and ready to experiment.

It may sound silly to you, but I was awestruck by "Bill and Ted excellent adventure"!

Even with all the modern technology we have, I wish I had been born 20 or 30 years earlier, when freedom was still a thing and innocent fun was deemed innocent by default.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by tylerhou on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:44PM (#23954273)
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by mark-r on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:45AM (#23954504)
You've obviously never seen Little Shop of Horrors. Feed me, Seymour!
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by emmelaich on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:20AM (#23954628)
Or read The Triffids -- if we're going there!
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by TheSpiceIsLife on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:08AM (#23954364)
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by dboreham on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:30AM (#23954454)
Depends if your name is Jack.
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Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by dang on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:57PM (#23958828)
You can't post like this here. Please read the rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:54PM (#23954311)
There's no need to be rude or accusatory.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by sukilot on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:05PM (#23954096)
That seems like hysteria. Yes, birds can potentially carry bird flu. Also, Chinese culture is more open-minded about animal consumption than USA culture and health safety laws. Culture clash is more likely explanation than bio warfare.

If you want to smuggle bird flu into USA, are you really going to do it in a bag of whole dead birds, and not some processed form that is more convenient and less suspicious?

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by perl4ever on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:42PM (#23954256)
I thought customs trying to control biological materials ("meats, fruits, vegetables, plants, seeds, soil, animals, as well as plant and animal products") coming into a country was a thing, long before present events.

Authorities get really uptight about invasive species and whatnot. Maybe groundless talk of biowarfare is "hysteria" but regulating biological materials going across borders is the norm as far as I know.

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Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by hotpockets on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:41AM (#23954716)
Can I just say, people have been eating bats for millenia, and there's never been a global pandemic arising from bat eating in recorded history. In fact, in recent history, there's never been a definite zoonotic global pandemic even 1/10th as serious as covid. Swine flu and Bird Flu weren't close in severity, and came from eating common farmed animals.

Perhaps eating certain animals should be curtailed (I'm no expert) as long as it doesn't result in low protein intake. But, the anti-China sentiment is xenophobic.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by walrus01 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:05AM (#23954807)
The 2014/2015 Ebola crisis in West Africa has also been definitively traced to people eating bats. There's biological reasons why bats are reservoirs of viruses that are not harmful to themselves, but to many other mammals.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by hotpockets on Sunday July 26, 2020 @07:07AM (#23956160)
But not a global pandemic, and I'm guessing less serious than swine flu and bird flu, which we still eat.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by stareatgoats on Sunday July 26, 2020 @04:38AM (#23955476)
> There's biological reasons why bats are reservoirs of viruses

Interesting. Source?

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by walrus01 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @05:14AM (#23955624)
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:14AM (#23954849)
You can't just take every species that hasn't caused a global pandemic in the past and declare them all equally safe. There are differing levels of risk in different species, and not only that but in different farming and food preparation practices, and in captive vs. wild populations.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by hedora on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:26AM (#23954909)
The common cold and flu come from domesticated animals every year.

Pretty much all serious pandemics started in some other species of mammals, and then transferred to humans. Examples: SARS, bird flu, ebola, hiv, spanish flu.

(I agree that blaming Chinese culture for the problem is xenophobic nonsense though.)

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by lowatt on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:30PM (#23958195)
Unfortunately there is no universal golden rule on what "should" be eaten or not. Especially when you are hungry and there isn't many choices. If you didn't die or get sick, you might choose to continue eating a "weird food" because they taste good, even when you have other choices.

It's bizarre to Americans that _some_ Chinese are eating bats[1] and snakes[2]. It's bizarre to Chinese that _some_ Americans are eating alligators[3][4], bears and frogs.

It is human nature to explore and try new things including animals for food. If one has known better, maybe it's better to educate others what are good/bad food sources, with proofs.

Mutual discrimination based on sensational news and locally-biased "common sense" are not making the world a better place.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_as_food [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_soup [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_meat [4] https://youtu.be/V-mJ0UWfxno?t=266

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Sunday July 26, 2020 @03:54PM (#23959678)
There are different levels of risk. It's not all the same. I would be just fine with banning consumption of alligators, bears, or frogs if the risk is assessed to be as high as for bats.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by xsmasher on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:36AM (#23954698)
Swine flu came from pigs, bird flu from birds; both still eaten in backward parts of the west.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Orochikaku on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:42PM (#23954253)
>animals that shouldn't be consumed

Implying there are 'correct' animals to consume

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:53PM (#23954307)
There are definitely incorrect animals to consume. I have no problem stating that it is wrong to consume animals from wild populations of species that harbor viruses potentially capable of infecting humans and causing a global pandemic. Also endangered species. If that's controversial, well, it shouldn't be.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by jdmichal on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:01AM (#23954560)
This strikes me as a first-world privileged thing, similar to how Europe built its industrial revolution on coal but now tries to prevent others from doing the same thing. Even in the US we eat domesticated livestock (cattle), cultivated but not domesticated livestock (bison), and entirely wild animals (deer). Any of these could vector a novel illness to humans.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:35AM (#23954696)
I'd be fine with banning consumption of wild deer, for example.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by carl_dr on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:52AM (#23955034)
About 350,000 deer are culled in the UK each year, the population is actively managed in many places of the country for various reasons [1]. Because of this, venison is not uncommon in our supermarkets. Should we just destroy the corpses instead?

[1] https://www.bds.org.uk/index.php/advice-education/why-manage...

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Sunday July 26, 2020 @03:12AM (#23955081)
Yes, if the risk of transmitting pandemic causing viruses to humans is as high as for bats.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by mtgp1000 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:17AM (#23954857)
Not all animal species carry the same risk. This isn't about privilege - or at least not anymore. Mainland Chinese learned to eat anything and everything that moved after food shortages and famines caused by e.g. the four pests and such. This is cultural. as are the unsanitary conditions at wet markets, and completely unscientific "traditional medicine" and the common notion that live beings taste better if tortured before death.

Stop bending over backwards to excuse antisocial behavior. Not all cultural practices are positive and need to be celebrated.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by yorwba on Sunday July 26, 2020 @04:38AM (#23955480)
> Mainland Chinese learned to eat anything and everything that moved

That's an incredibly broad brush you're painting with there. China has as much culinary diversity as geographic regions with smaller countries. If you throw it all in one pot, you might end up with "anything and everything", but almost nobody would eat all that.

If it looks as if there was such a thing as "Chinese food", then only because the majority of early Chinese immigrants to North America came from only four counties in Guangdong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siyi , establishing a standard for Chinese restaurants that later ones had to follow to seem "authentic".

"Weird" food is generally confined to regional delicacies. E.g. 土笋冻 (sipunculid worm jelly) is pretty much only made in Quanzhou in Fujian, even though the worms it's made of can be found elsewhere. (The Chinese Wikipedia article mentions they actually have to import them now because the local stock suffered from pollution.) https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9C%9F%E7%AC%8B%E5%86%BB

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by coronasaurus on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:00AM (#23954328)
> infecting humans and causing a global pandemic

Kinda like the swine flu?

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:02AM (#23954340)
That's why we should only consume pigs raised in captivity with no exposure to wild populations. If that's where you get your bats or pangolins from, and you actually have enforcement and verification of that, then no problem. (Except that pangolins are endangered of course.)
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Natsu on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:51PM (#23954301)
Some meats are associated with disease (including those eaten in western countries, like trichinosis from pork) and others are not.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by rayhendricks on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:57PM (#23954320)
Pretty much any animal except pangolins and bats that does not carry COVID & friends...
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by factotvm on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:56PM (#23954316)
I’m curious to know if you think the animals the west consume which cause disease are satisfactory.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:57PM (#23954323)
Not if they are from wild populations, or raised in a way that they could be exposed to viruses from wild populations, or if they are endangered species.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by factotvm on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:09AM (#23954367)
I’m not sure being wild is a good indicator. I would think the opposite might be true wherein industrial farming and close quarters would cause more disease, just like how we talk about population density and covid-19. If you aren’t exposed to others, disease can’t spread. For instance, H1N1 didn’t start in the wild. And it didn’t start with an exotic animal. But it was a global pandemic.

The only position you can safely hold is to not eat meat. A weaker position could be around the sanitation and care of stock and its preparation. But what you eat doesn’t matter, be it pig or dog or squirrel or bat.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:30AM (#23954668)
You're right, I'm sure farming practices could be improved to help prevent pandemics. But it is false to say that all animals carry the same level of risk, and forgoing meat entirely is far from the only option to reduce risk.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by factotvm on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:23AM (#23954890)
How do you quantify the risk, and where is the line drawn?
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Dylan16807 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:30AM (#23954666)
I'd say that capturing wild animals, then keeping them in cramped unsanitary conditions, along with other species, is the worst possible option for disease. Industrial farming only does one of those three.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by factotvm on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:18AM (#23954862)
That's a bit like the fallacy of relative privation: Because what the west does isn't as bad, they aren't culpable. Again, there was a global pandemic caused by pig farming just 11 short years ago, and everybody is still eating bacon.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Dylan16807 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @03:44PM (#23959616)
Sure, but you need some threshold, otherwise you conclude you can never buy anything or see another person. "Buy no meat" is not fully safe either, so that's not the objective place to draw the line.

And I'm not trying to make an argument about "the west", it's just about specific animals and ways to get them.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by factotvm on Sunday July 26, 2020 @05:45PM (#23960428)
So long as that threshold is based on science and not, “they eat weird stuff,” I’m okay with that.

If the threshold is: has caused pandemic, then swine is off the table, pun intended.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Monday July 27, 2020 @12:00PM (#23966354)
"has caused a global pandemic" would be a terrible threshold. The set of global pandemics is far too small to draw meaningful conclusions about risk. We have other data about viruses in animals that should be used.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by factotvm on Monday July 27, 2020 @12:37PM (#23966718)
You’re missing my point. If the argument is: "We're in the middle of a global pandemic quite possibly caused by Chinese people consuming animals that shouldn't be consumed,” then I would like to be clear that swine should also not be consumed, as they too have caused a global pandemic.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by modeless on Monday July 27, 2020 @01:11PM (#23967113)
You're missing my point. That statement is not my argument about which specific animals should be consumed. It's my argument about the parent comment's statement, which I am simply responding to and did not even claim myself, that Chinese people eat a wider variety of animals than we do in the US, and the behavior of eating a wider variety of animals should be considered "open minded," implying (and again this is the parent comment's argument, not mine) that the practice of eating a narrower variety of animals should be considered "closed minded". My argument was that the timing of said statement from the parent comment is extremely unfortunate given the fact that the current global pandemic likely originated in animals consumed in China and generally not in the US, and the general idea of restricting animal consumption for health reasons should not be considered "closed minded". That's it.

Now, that statement assumes that some animals have higher risk of transmitting novel viruses to humans than others, and if you disagree with that then you'll disagree with the statement, but the statement itself was not an argument about that point. Subsequently we have further argued about that specific point. I don't believe that decisions about which animals to consume should be based on cultural factors as you assume, but rather I believe that it should be based on relevant science (not simply "has this specific animal caused a global pandemic in recent history"). I believe that science does not support the idea that all animals or animal procurement practices have identical risk of transmitting novel viruses to humans. Therefore I support the idea of restricting consumption of some animals, especially wild ones (including some currently consumed in the US), and reject the idea that this is simply "closed minded".

Unfortunately the inclusion of the single word "Chinese" in my original comment has blinded everyone to the argument I was making, despite the fact that it was simply a response to the parent comment. It would have been a better comment, and made the same point, without the word "Chinese" in it. Please strike that word from my original comment and read it again.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by josephcsible on Sunday July 26, 2020 @11:30AM (#23957757)
> there was a global pandemic caused by pig farming just 11 short years ago

This is disingenuous. That was nothing like this pandemic.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by factotvm on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:39PM (#23958680)
No it’s not. Nobody is saying that the 2009 swine flu pandemic was anything but that. It was a global pandemic.

Don’t say seat belts don’t matter for us because the other car was a hatchback instead of a pickup. They were both still car accidents.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by DaiPlusPlus on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:02PM (#23954080)
> Along with a story of a Chinese National attempting to transport birds into Virginia which are known to be transmitters of Avian flu.

> Um... China... what’s the deal?

China's a country of over a billion people.

Let's not attribute the actions of individuals to sinister top-down plot from the CCO politboru until there's actual evidence.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by chrischen on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:17PM (#23954157)
It’s still a country that has a massive portion of the population that’s poor. If you want the poor people in the world to stop trying everything they can get some of your money then vote for more income equality initiatives and cut your own salary.

This type of behavior is endemic with poverty and can be seen with Nigerian princes, Indian call center scams, or just your friendly San Francisco neighborhood bike thief.

This behavior has more to do with poverty and income inequality than Chinese people (or people of any country or race for that matter).

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by hedora on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:30AM (#23954938)
If they had caught a European with a pet bird I doubt they’d be trying to claim it was evidence of an international bioterrorism ring.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by josephcsible on Sunday July 26, 2020 @11:32AM (#23957779)
True, but the reason why would be carrying "a pet bird" vs. "a bag of dead birds", not the person being European vs. Chinese as you're trying to imply.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by cvhashim on Sunday July 26, 2020 @02:27AM (#23954921)
You can’t fart in China without CCP knowing exactly who did it. Nefarious acts would be extremely hard to get away with it.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by stareatgoats on Sunday July 26, 2020 @04:42AM (#23955500)
> You can’t fart in China without CCP knowing exactly who did it

I seriously doubt that. It's a police state, but let's not exaggerate, eh?

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by dylan604 on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:03PM (#23954084)
It's clearly the first line of a deeply rooted plot. These plants, when fully grown, will be identifiable from special satellites. They just have to get enough unwitting people planting them as well to make the strategic plants from sticking out.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by DoreenMichele on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:04PM (#23954092)
Kudzu was the first wave. This deeply rooted plot goes way back.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by jimmaswell on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:16PM (#23954152)
I've never noticed kudzu, but those invasive spiky water chestnuts that hurt to step on all over the Hudson are the real biological warfare.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by eindiran on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:24PM (#23954188)
I'd never heard of these before: http://nyis.info/invasive_species/water-chestnut/

The other common name ("water caltrop") is illuminating.

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by Kye on Sunday July 26, 2020 @08:39AM (#23956665)
It was everywhere in Georgia, but eradication efforts made a lot of progress.

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional/kudzu-entanglement-...

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by kalium-xyz on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:20PM (#23954167)
Heh, remember tumble weeds are an invasive species from Russia.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by dylan604 on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:34PM (#23954214)
That's just a hoax of an investigation. Tumble weeds were from the wild west days. It too was clearly part of the plot from China. As they built the railroads, they were doing their version of Johnny Appleseed dropping the tumble weed seeds. The whole of the US Southwest was a lush garden like area until these tumble weeds took over and turned it into a desert.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by sbelskie on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:48AM (#23954518)
What?
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by ArnoVW on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:28AM (#23954656)
While we are on tumbleweed, I suggest this video on tumbleweed by the excellent GCP Grey:

https://youtu.be/hsWr_JWTZss

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by sukilot on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:08PM (#23954111)
We must shine the light of day on this deeply rooted pot, in an investigation that leaves no stone unturned.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by nine_k on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:38AM (#23954708)
All you may need is to throw the biodegradable package in trash. On a landfill site, where the seeds will arrive, they will grow and possibly even prosper.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by tzs on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:50PM (#23954293)
> Also I can’t imagine getting a box of seeds in the mail (unsolicited) and thinking to myself, “I should plant these and see what comes up!”

Is that just because of the fear you might spread an invasive species, or is there some other risk trying to grow an unknown plant entails?

Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by samus on Sunday July 26, 2020 @03:39PM (#23959582)
It might turn out to be poisonous. If you can't precisely identify what you grow, get rid of it. To reduce contamination risk, roast it to a crisp, bleach or otherwise sterilize it. This doesn't just apply to exotic plants, but also to most plants of the family Apiaceae, as they can be hard to correctly identify and tell apart. Needless to say, many of them are noxious, poisonous or invasive, some all three of them, like the giant hogweed.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by changoplatanero on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:21AM (#23954634)
I got some in the mail a few weeks ago and thought about planting them. I've ordered seeds from the internet in the past and so I just assumed that I must have ordered these at some point and forgot about it.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by violetgarden on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:43PM (#23954262)
I can’t either! I’m surprised at the comments saying they totally would. I guess I remember the anthrax scare when I was little, so unsolicited packages have always freaked me out a bit.
Re:Public asked to report receipt of any unsolicited package... by blackflame7000 on Sunday July 26, 2020 @01:08AM (#23954588)
I guarantee you there is at least one person who thinks a giant bean stalk will grow.