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Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by Steltek on Thursday April 02, 2020 @03:18PM (#22762561)
I'm the only coffee drinker in the house and I love my AeroPress:

* It's fast

* It's foolproof

* It makes good quality coffee

* It's camping friendly

All of the tedium and unforced errors of pour over coffee disappears: "blooming", meticulous pouring technique, realtime measuring of water/coffee ratio. The hardest part is I use a hand grinder but even that isn't so bad.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by notechback on Thursday April 02, 2020 @05:34PM (#22764118)
I don't understand the Aeropress love. I have a good full espresso machine for home. For the office I've tried: electric "mocha express" style Italian espresso maker (great coffee but colleagues complained about the strong smell) and a kettle with both a decent French press or Aeropress.

While I don't mind the Aeropress I have a much better experience with a good old French press - much less chance of mess (stands well, no need to stir with the paddle/a spoon, no risk of putting too much pressure and something falls over).

Tastewise I've tried it with both metal and paper filters and regular and reverse method, as well as different types and grains of coffee - there's no tangible difference to a decent French press. And of course both are far far far away from a proper espresso as you'd expect in a proper Italian or Portuguese café.

The only upside I see is that it's light, so if you do carry something else to boil water it might be a good choice for campaign - but a small french press also is not heavy either. And of course if you go camping with a group a good mocha express to put on the fire makes you the hero of any journey (at the cost of an extra kg).

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by jacobolus on Thursday April 02, 2020 @09:02PM (#22765466)
> French press - much less chance of mess

This makes no sense to me. The aeropress is the least messy coffee device I’ve ever used (after use just eject the puck of compressed grounds straight into the compost bin, and if desired give the parts a quick rinse), except maybe for those k-cup machines.

> Tastewise I've tried it with both metal and paper filters and regular and reverse method, as well as different types and grains of coffee - there's no tangible difference to a decent French press.

Taste depends on grind size, water temperature, water-to-coffee ratio, and steep time (and the paper filter).

If you use a very coarse grind and a metal filter, you’ll get approximately the same results with a French press vs. an aeropress.

If you use a very fine grind (or even a medium grind) then the French press does not work because the filter is too coarse (unless you want your coffee to be full of grounds). That takes out a huge part of the available parameter space.

Personally I like steeping very finely ground coffee at moderate water temperature (80–85 °C), for not too much time. I use the paper filters. It is not possible as far as I can tell to obtain similar results with a French press.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by froh on Friday April 03, 2020 @02:07AM (#22766676)
Regarding finer grind sizes with the French press, you let it sit. Just wait. Give the press a slight tap at the earliest after 4-5 minutes, so the grinds that floated up to the sieve and that are stuck there with the co2 will also start to sink.

After gently pushing down the plunger give the coffee another minute to let the fines sink down which the push stirred up from the bottom.

The plunger thus rather keeps the sunk grinds and fines down when slowly pouring, it does not filter the coffee.

An excellent cup from the French press takes 5-7 minutes.

It's like French food: best enjoyed slowly.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by tobr on Friday April 03, 2020 @03:08AM (#22766906)
I can’t imagine this would taste anything like a typical cup of AeroPress, where you can use pressure instead of brew time to extract more flavor. It gives a very different result. The awesome thing about AeroPress is that it’s so easy to experiment with all the parameters: brew time, pressure, water temperature, and different grinds. Fine grind, short brew, high pressure and hot water and you get something more espresso-like. Coarser grind and longer brew time and it’s more like French press.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by jacobolus on Friday April 03, 2020 @03:28AM (#22766985)
The aeropress just uses moderate pressure to get the liquid out past the paper filter. You don’t need to push very hard to make it work, and pushing harder doesn’t really accomplish anything. To use an aeropress you mix the coffee grounds into the water (like pour over or French press), you don’t start with a compacted puck of coffee and then force boiling water through it. The pressure involved doesn’t change the flavor. It’s not an espresso machine.

The thing distinguishing the aeropress from pour over or French press is that by using the plunger you can still get water through the filter even with finely ground coffee beans. By using a finer grind, you can extract more flavor from the coffee with less water, lower water temperature, and/or shorter time, and thereby get stronger coffee while avoiding some of the more bitter larger molecules.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by ddingus on Friday April 03, 2020 @12:26AM (#22766307)
I use mine in a similar way and feel the same way you do. It is the least messy way I have used.

And pressing the little puck into the rubbish can is gratifying and fun.

Camping friendly is a serious plus. I have one in my camp trailer. Anytime someone goes with us, I end up making another Aeropress convert.

It is stupid simple, robust, easy, fun.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by ggcdn on Friday April 03, 2020 @12:54AM (#22766383)
(Except when you press too enthusiastically and miss the trash can completely)
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by ddingus on Saturday April 04, 2020 @01:02AM (#22776304)
Been there. Clean up time. When I miss, I miss badly. Broken puck.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by superhuzza on Thursday April 02, 2020 @07:24PM (#22764907)
1. No grounds or lipids at all with aeropress, due to the paper filter. Even a good french press will let some grounds into the coffee, and all of the lipids. You can remedy this by popping a paper filter under the plunger, but that's kind of hacked together.

2. You should actually be stirring coffee with a french press as well. If you don't stir with a french press you may as well not stir with an aeropress, they both brew in similar containers.

3. No fine metal parts or glass so it's ideal for hiking, don't have to worry about something shattering in the pack.

4. I prefer the volume and taste of aeropress coffee over espresso or moka pots.

Anyways I'm not saying there's a perfect solution or a right way to prepare coffee. These are just the reasons I like aeropress, even if I do make a lot of french press as well.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by papito on Friday April 03, 2020 @08:19AM (#22768416)
You can get metal mesh filters for AeroPress. My paper filters have been sitting there for years.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by 1MachineElf on Thursday April 02, 2020 @08:27PM (#22765277)
In the traditional Indonesian coffee preparation, grounds are a feature, not a bug.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by pfundstein on Thursday April 02, 2020 @11:12PM (#22766028)
Turkish/Greek coffee as well. Australian coffee is all espresso based (though "hip" cafes also provide pour-over, siphon, cold drip, etc). American coffee from what I gather is mostly just filter.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by ryanbrunner on Friday April 03, 2020 @07:52AM (#22768245)
American coffee was traditionally all filter, and ordering "a coffee" will invariably get you filter coffee, but these days espresso is available and common at every coffee place save the convinience oriented lowest tier.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by joshvm on Thursday April 02, 2020 @07:28PM (#22764942)
Depends on who you speak to. My French colleagues look at Italian "fast" coffee in horror - they think it's tantamount to abuse of the grounds.

> much less chance of mess

French presses are much more annoying to clean afterwards though. It's nigh impossible to get all of them out of the press without eventually getting some in the sink. I really like that you can just pop the puck of grounds out of the aeropress straight into the compost bin, and what's left on the plunger is almost a paste that can be rinsed off.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by froh on Friday April 03, 2020 @01:57AM (#22766637)
The key French press cleaning trick is a _fine_ kitchen sieve, not too small, at least 3" wide:

Pull out the French press plunger, add water and drain the resulting mud through the sieve.

A normal small 2" coffee sieve is too small in diameter, it will clog.

The 3" (4" is better, especially for the larger 1L press) allows the water to pass in a fast pour. And make sure it's a fine sieve, so the grinds stay in.

The grinds mud then goes from the sieve straight to trash.

In store the sieve at the sink with the other cleaning utensils. In direct access storage, so to speak, a local cache even.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by joshvm on Friday April 03, 2020 @01:51PM (#22772136)
Well if there's one thing I hate cleaning more than a French press it's a sieve! Or do you have a sieve specifically for the press? That seems like a good idea.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by Lio on Friday April 03, 2020 @02:34AM (#22766770)
That’s funny. When I worked with Italians and I wanted them to teach me Italian swear words I’d ask them about French coffee. :D

Personally I like both but mainly drink espresso.

I’ve also got an AeroPress I used for years before I got the espresso maker. I still like it but it’s coffee is nothing like espresso.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by awiesenhofer on Friday April 03, 2020 @03:47AM (#22767067)
why would you take care to NOT get coffee grounds into the sink/drain? Its a feature, the grounds remove some of that fat/etc. that builds up in any kitchen sink/drain.

I myself just wash out my French press with water and let all of that go down the drain, makes it the easiest to clean. Not to mention there is no need for onetime filters like with many other methods (same for Bialettis/espresso maker)

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by llbeansandrice on Thursday April 02, 2020 @07:05PM (#22764793)
I find the Aeropress much easier to clean than a French Press. I just pop the grounds and paper into the trash/compost when I'm done and quickly rinse the 3 pieces and my stirrer.

Maybe I'm just bad at cleaning a french press but I always felt it took way more effort.

I also only drink one cup of coffee in the morning so an Aeropress is great. I keep a larger French Press around in case more people want coffee though.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by pazimzadeh on Friday April 03, 2020 @12:36AM (#22766337)
Fill your French press with 3-4 inches of (hot) water and pump it up and down a few times. Most of the grounds will come out of the presser into the liquid. Repeat if needed.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by Uhhrrr on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:56PM (#22764721)
I'm also an espresso fan, and agree that it is no contest between the Aeropress and a proper lever or pump espresso machine.

For camping though, I've used a couple of different moka pots and recently got an Aeropress, and I think the Aeropress is better.

With the moka pot you're sort of crossing your fingers hoping that the tamp and heat are right and the water is getting shoved through the grounds just fast enough to make them expand and make the brew happen, rather than whizzing through or coming out painfully slowly or even blocking up everything so the rest of the water goes out the steam valve.

With the Aeropress (or another similar item I've seen with two arms sticking out), you just shove it through. And for cleanup, you don't have to wait to unscrew two blazing hot metal pieces.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by ntsplnkv2 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @08:45PM (#22765374)
Moka pots are pretty lackluster for making coffee. Some tips that James Hoffmann and others recommend that make it better:

* Put hot water into the basin prior - don't heat up from cold water, the coffee will cook and be bitter if you do.

* Once it starts to pass air through (gurgling) take it off the heat and quench the bottom so the brew stops.

* Don't grind like an espresso - it'll be too fine and overextract.

* I also use an aeropress filter in my 6 cup bialetti and it really reduces the bitterness.

Or just stick with your aeropress, that's what I would do :)

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by ValentineC on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:58PM (#22764741)
> Tastewise I've tried it with both metal and paper filters and regular and reverse method, as well as different types and grains of coffee - there's no tangible difference to a decent French press. And of course both are far far far away from a proper espresso as you'd expect in a proper Italian or Portuguese café.

I daresay that espresso is a very different style of coffee for people who are used to immersion brews. Espresso drinkers would prefer what they're used to. To each their own.

Most espresso shots end up being sour and unpleasant for me, but I've had a few (most recently, at Pablo & Rusty's in Sydney) that absolutely blew my mind.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by bonestamp2 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @07:38PM (#22765002)
> Most espresso shots end up being sour and unpleasant for me

Most are, even in cafes. I didn't realize this at first, and I bought an espresso machine to be more convenient than starbucks. But, it took me at least 2 months of owning an espresso machine before I was able to get the grind, tamp, extraction temperature and extraction time right to pull a good shot consistently. Honestly, it was two months of pain. But, it's been heaven ever since.

I don't mean to be a snob about it, but I used to enjoy starbucks espresso drinks -- not as much anymore. They're slightly bitter or sour most of the time, and once in awhile they're completely undrinkable. I live between two starbucks and I travel a lot, so it's not like it's just one bad location. I still go to starbucks once in awhile, but only if it's for a social reason... not for the coffee. My wife was not convinced at first, but now she agrees that my lattes are better and more consistent than Starbucks.

I think anyone who likes coffee will have the same reaction as you... their mind will be blown when they have a proper shot of espresso and they will probably hate it until that time. So, if you enjoyed it more than coffee, you could take the plunge too. It's like a lot of things though, if you want to do it right you often have to do it yourself.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by ntsplnkv2 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @08:42PM (#22765351)
Similar experience here. I'd say maybe 2% of the cafes around me make pretty average/below average espresso. The ones that do (my favorite ones), are oh so good.

I started delving into espresso and it is both immensely frustrating and immensely rewarding. It's really hard to pull a good shot. But once you do you can't go back.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by copperx on Thursday April 02, 2020 @08:56PM (#22765434)
I have an espresso machine but I use the default settings. What changes have you made to get a better cup?
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by omegabravo on Thursday April 02, 2020 @09:45PM (#22765676)
it depends on the bean, how old it is, the humidity, your machine etc. It'll be hard/impossible to get a great espresso shot from a lot of machines as they just don't have the power. Compound that with the quality of grinder.

Some beans are very forgiving and give a decent espresso with a wide range of parameters. Some beans are very picky on getting the settings right.

I've had a range of machines - and my current machine is the only one that I can get a decent cup from (BES920).

To your question, you need to adjust depending on the output from your machine.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by copperx on Friday April 03, 2020 @02:43AM (#22766803)
I see. But you basically only tweak grind fineness and amount per cup? or does your machine lets you adjust other parameters?
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by Talanes on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:45PM (#22764649)
I'd never seen Moka spelled as Mocha, but it's unsurprising that they come from the same word. Mocha was basically synonymous with coffee for three centuries. What a different world it must have been when a city could completely control the market on it's specialty crop.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by jacobolus on Thursday April 02, 2020 @10:03PM (#22765756)
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by freetime2 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @03:54PM (#22763008)
A pour over doesn’t need to be that complicated, though. For most people it’s just a matter of throwing a scoop of coffee into a filter cone and pouring hot water over it.

Sure you can get a more precise outcome with more fiddling, but it’s a tradeoff of effort vs. diminishing rewards.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by dominotw on Thursday April 02, 2020 @05:15PM (#22763958)
this is what i do. I just need my fix, takes me all of 10-15 secs to get it.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by danbolt on Thursday April 02, 2020 @05:28PM (#22764066)
Do you use the Hario Mini Slim [1] as well? One thing I love about it is how grinding a full container closely matches a full AeroPress. Dumping from the grinder straight into the press is convenient and less spillage than scooping coffee out of a burr.

Also the fact that you can "pop" your grounds with a paper filter straight into the compost.

[1] https://www.amazon.ca/Hario-Ceramic-Coffee-Mill-Mini-Slim/dp...

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by kitotik on Thursday April 02, 2020 @03:20PM (#22762596)
The camping/road trip scenario is what lead me to AeroPress many years ago. The fact that it was able to replace all the other methods and home and work was a total bonus!

Disclaimer: total AeroPress nerd and fanboy

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by baldfat on Thursday April 02, 2020 @03:54PM (#22763016)
My wife is in the same boat as you. She ended up just going back to single serve french press. She thinks it is just simpler and taste great.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by samatman on Thursday April 02, 2020 @05:29PM (#22764083)
Same, except I went with a Hario V01 pourover. I do use single serve French press sometimes.

The basic tradeoff for Aeropress is more complex flavor but weaker mouth feel, and I decided I wanted a richer texture. Usually drink darker roasts, so squeezing every note out of the beans is less important to me.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by wideasleep1 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @05:35PM (#22764126)
The paper element removes some of the oils (mouthfeel/body), and you can use a metal filter to retain the expected mouthfeel.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by samatman on Thursday April 02, 2020 @07:15PM (#22764848)
Presumably you mean with the Aeropress?

I've tried it, it makes a difference but there's still a distinct Americano sort of 'hit'. Aeropress is the closest thing to espresso short of a maker, and for an affogado it's peerless, but that's the only way I tend to take a shot of coffee at home.

Also using a Porlex these days and the pourover is much more forgiving of a rougher grind. Pulling a decent Areo shot means I have the nut tight enough that the grind takes half again as long.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by atoav on Friday April 03, 2020 @03:20AM (#22766952)
I enjoy the tedium of pour over coffee. It is just a nice ritual and forces me into a different state of beeing for a minute or two. A bit like when taking a shower this sometimes turns out to be one of the moments where the best ideas happen.

Beeing unefficient and requiring attention can be a feature and not a bug if you embrace it.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by papito on Friday April 03, 2020 @08:20AM (#22768429)
It's just meditation by doing.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by partlysean on Thursday April 02, 2020 @08:37PM (#22765329)
I have an AeroPress and like it a lot, but I also love making a pour over every morning precisely for the process (and taste). Bringing the water to the right temperature, weighing and grinding the beans, blooming, managing the flow rate… the ritual is very calming.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by pipingdog on Thursday April 02, 2020 @09:05PM (#22765474)
The Aeropress makes it so that I can take half the materials that go into a crap-ass urn of coffee and turn them into a kick-ass cup of coffee at work. Godsend. I have a 3rd party metal filter, so I don’t have to worry about running out of the paper filters.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by platz on Thursday April 02, 2020 @09:22PM (#22765563)
metal filters aren't as effective at removing certain oils as paper, but are good enough to separate out the grounds.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by masonic on Friday April 03, 2020 @01:37AM (#22766566)
Do you want oils removed?
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by lytfyre on Friday April 03, 2020 @01:51AM (#22766610)
Very much a personal preference / tastes may vary for of thing. If you're used to French press, you'll be used to the oils being part of the taste/mouthfeel experience of coffee, whereas coming from pourover (or the conventional batch brewers that dominate commercial or non-enthusiast home markets) some find them off-putting.

No right or wrong answer.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by drcongo on Friday April 03, 2020 @04:28AM (#22767259)
I recommend blooming in the AeroPress, not only does it slightly improve the coffee, but you're less likely to get a large frothy head on the top taking up space. It only takes an extra 30 seconds or so thanks to the small diameter.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by JKCalhoun on Thursday April 02, 2020 @05:48PM (#22764252)
Looks like a French Press. But aero.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by lytfyre on Friday April 03, 2020 @01:53AM (#22766620)
It kind of looks like it, but really isn't, in function or in result, if you try one out.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by gambiting on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:03PM (#22764370)
I just hate the waste it produces, even if it's "just" paper filters. I use a regular mokka pot, on an induction stove it literally takes <60s to boil, the whole thing is made out of stainless steel so takes 5 seconds to rinse and use again.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by Bud on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:22PM (#22764510)
Gotta call bullshit here, a moka pot does NOT take "5 seconds" to rinse and use again. You have to unscrew it, which is 5 seconds, by itself, not counting the time to protect your hands from the heat. Then you have to disassemble, empty coffee grounds into the trash, then rinse 4 separate areas of 3 separate pieces, then fill with coffee again and re-assemble.

It's a minimum of a full minute even if you are Commander Data. Be real.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by gambiting on Friday April 03, 2020 @02:42AM (#22766801)
Sure, 60 seconds then. I put the moka pot under cold water, unscrew the bottom, rinse the grinds out, and rinse the grinds tray. Done. There's no need to rinse the top part(the one where coffee goes) or the bottom one(where the cold water is). I give it a wash every now and then. Maybe it's not 5 seconds but it's very very quick, I can definitely prepare multiple cups of coffee in quick succession(especially since one pot easily makes enough strong coffee brew to make 2 cups out if it if you add boiling water).
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by disposedtrolley on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:09PM (#22764424)
You can buy reusable metal filters for the Aeropress. I use this one with mine and can get a decent espresso shot from it: https://fellowproducts.com/products/prismo
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by gambiting on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:12PM (#22764443)
Oh that's pretty cool - had no idea this was a thing!
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by jetk on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:07PM (#22764401)
fwiw, those paper filters are reusable many times without degradation. Even just using them 2-3 times, you'd be using less than an A4 sheet worth of paper over a month. Does that really move the needle in terms of waste? I mean, we probably throw away many times that on food packaging every day...
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by adwi on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:59PM (#22764754)
Yes, and the inventor said he went with paper instead of metal because it tastes better and doesn’t allow sediment into the cup.

Trying both I came to the same conclusion. I reuse a filter ~5 times. Bonus: you don’t need to “burn” the filter every time to remove paper taste, and after a rinse you can just leave it in the filter holder to dry so it’s ready to go immediately.

Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by kasey_junk on Thursday April 02, 2020 @06:18PM (#22764485)
They are also compostable.
Re:The Invention of the AeroPress (2014) by organsnyder on Thursday April 02, 2020 @08:31PM (#22765295)
I was impressed that Aeropress actually recommends reusing the paper filters.