Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by markvdb on Monday March 30, 2020 @02:01AM
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A large fraction of the one time use glass at least in Europe is recycled into foam glass [0]. A wonderfully versatile and ecological insulation material with slowly but surely increasing popularity.
There's factories in at least Belgium, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Lithuania, Switzerland, Russia, Slovakia and Ukraine.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by feb on Monday March 30, 2020 @09:16AM
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One of the biggest companies manufacturing foam glass is actually based in the USA and has many production sites in Europe.
The insulation properties depend on the chemical composition of the glass. With recycled glass, the chemical composition is not fully under control and therefore they limit the amount of recycled glass.
Production of cellular glass (also called foam glass) requires, even with recycled glass, a lot of energy. That makes it one of the most expensive inorganic insulation materials.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by vanderZwan on Monday March 30, 2020 @04:58AM
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My guess would be that insulation wasn't taken that seriously until recently, and construction probably isn't the most fast-moving industry out there.
It also has some extreme insulation properties: it doesn't look like it really absorbs or lets through any moisture or air. There might be cases where that isn't ideal.
But living on the fourth floor of an old building with central heating in the basement does make me wish all the pipes were insulated with that material instead - it's absurd to have to wait many minutes for warm water to come out of the tap or shower because so much heat is lost along the way.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by rini17 on Monday March 30, 2020 @07:39AM
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Even if it was insulated, you don't want warm water standing in pipes for a long time. This is usually solved by adding a pipe from the farthest point back to the boiler and circulation pump.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by vanderZwan on Monday March 30, 2020 @10:47AM
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Oh, my apologies! I got the impression that the process of making them has the end-result of lots of closed off bubbles. But you're right, reading the wiki page again shows otherwise:
> Sound-absorbing Foamglas® insulation is more than 50% open cell bubbles, and heat-insulating Foamglas® is more than 75% closed-cell air bubbles, which can be adjusted according to the requirements of use through changes in production technical parameters.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by dmos62 on Monday March 30, 2020 @06:57AM
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Good question. I'd hazard guesses that there was a political dimension (the wikipedia article cites Soviet scientists developing the tech in 1930s) and that insulation wasn't taken seriously enough (heaters are cheaper to install and energy was cheap).
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by ornornor on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:06AM
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Is this meant to replace rock wool in the walls or are the bricks used to replace the structural part of the building and used as load bearing building bricks?
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by markvdb on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:39AM
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There are several forms. Some of the most popular ones:
- Blocks. From a technical perspective, these are perfectly usable as structural wall material in most use cases. Excellent insulation, breathable, moisture resistant. It is more expensive compared to traditional brick though. That's a big reason its use is usually confined to lower layers in touch with moisture.
- Aggregate. Used as a structural, insulative anti-capillary layer below concrete slabs, wooden floors or wooden (!) foundations. Moisture barrier and insulation around some moisture sensitive houses also. Very popular in some areas as excellent breathable insulation for renovation of historical buildings. Used below roads in Scandinavia too to prevent frost heave.
- Granulate. Mixed into concrete or plasters to improve their insulation qualities.
- Custom shaped inert insulation for pipes, ...
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by pieterk on Sunday March 29, 2020 @10:15PM
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So sad that this has to be a museum piece. The bottles could also double as water storage and a heating system. Or be plastic yet filled with sand or something.
Wonder how much more expensive these would be to manufacture. Making no waste is priceless though.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by darkerside on Sunday March 29, 2020 @10:48PM
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Many jurisdictions no longer recycle glass (considered too expensive), but will collect for upcycling. Could this be the right time for a renaissance of this type of design? It probably would require incentives from the government, which imo are merely manifesting preexisting externalities.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by bjelkeman-again on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:16AM
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According to the European glass recycling organisation it uses 25% less energy to recycle glass than using sand as raw material (as I read their claim). [1]
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by Woberto on Sunday March 29, 2020 @10:50PM
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Aabsolutely. I use glass bottles for water storage, and while they're a bit cumbersome to refill, I won't ever use plastic for this again. It's nice to know there's nothing leaching into my drinking water, plus carrying them around is good exercise.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by harlanji on Monday March 30, 2020 @04:10AM
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I did this for my first few weeks in construction, need a gallon or more so I end up with a $1 gallon in plastic every day, and recycling earns money for the agency I work through. I will look into a glass gallon when I get a place with a sink. With 1L glass I’d recycle them about weekly and get a fresh bubbly water and keep the bottle for another week.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by Cthulhu_ on Monday March 30, 2020 @04:01AM
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I am no expert, but I can imagine they wouldn't be too much more expensive to produce; after all the mass production of glass (or plastic) bottles is a solved problem. In fact, square bottles might be cheaper because you can stuff more of them in a box, less wasted space.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by jojo14 on Monday March 30, 2020 @01:37AM
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From design point of view this is cool. However it is just a lame PR story. First glass is one of the rare materials that is nearly 100% recyclable it would be a shame to sore it as construction material. Second beer vendors way prefer aluminum which is way toxic for the environment but also remarkably recyclable. The best materials are those not produced furthermore those not littered. Why Heineken just don't fund garbage collector in such areas ? Why not an incentive when people return used bottles or others wastes ?
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by lcam84 on Monday March 30, 2020 @02:09AM
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As is taught in schools, we first reduce, then reuse and only then recycle, in that order.
Here we are already giving emphasis to reuse, but it is better than just recycling.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by jimbob45 on Monday March 30, 2020 @02:37AM
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Had a teacher come up with Repair to add to those. You could see the pride on her face the day she brought it up, as if she’d unearthed the secret that would solve global waste.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by jmiserez on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:38AM
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A lot of returned items are simply destroyed. Or in the best case resold. So instead of returning you could Resell them, but that's basically the same as Reuse.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by stevekemp on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:27AM
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>Why not an incentive when people return used bottles or others wastes ?
Some countries do that. Notably Finland and Sweden. When you buy a can of coke, or a glass bottle of beer, there is a small surcharge added to the price. When you return the empty container you receive your money back.
People discard cans/bottles in parks, at bus-stops, and people make a living collecting them and claiming the money back.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by fishnchips on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:40AM
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In Poland (perhaps all of the Soviet bloc?) it’s always been a thing. I remember collecting them as a kid, competing against local drunks. It was hard to find one back then. These days they’re too cheap for most people to care.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by LeonidasXIV on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:34AM
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Also, Poland has a huge share of bottles that are not returnable, which is very different from Germany or the Nordics where all the bottles have deposit on them, even plastic ones.
(Whether you are able to return them is a different question, because the Danish system allows vendors to reject bottles that they aren't selling themselves, which is something Germany was quick to outlaw)
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by kwhitefoot on Monday March 30, 2020 @07:18AM
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Also Norway. Typically close to 10 percent of the purchase price is a returnable deposit.
A few cans and bottles are discarded but the vast majority are returned because it is so easy to do; almost every supermarket has a machine that accepts the bottles and cans (including those not sold in that shop), crushes them, and prints a ticket that you can redeem at the checkout.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by stevekemp on Monday March 30, 2020 @10:17AM
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I spent years collecting and returning those glass bottles, and to this day maintain that Irn-Bru tastes better from a glass bottle than a plastic one!
I had no idea the program had stopped, but I guess it must have been around the time I left Scotland.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by adrianN on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:47AM
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Glass is literally made out of sand and recycling it doesn't even save a lot of energy. It's heavy to transport and you have to clean it and melt it again. Recycling it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Reusing glass bottles might make more sense, since you save the melting step.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by DagAgren on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:07AM
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You say it doesn't save "a lot" of energy, but it still saves energy. And you can do both, you can reuse until the bottle is in too bad condition, and then recycle.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by adrianN on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:31AM
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Thanks for that link. I adjust my position on the amount of energy it saves, but I'd like to see an analysis that also includes transportation and cleaning.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by _Microft on Monday March 30, 2020 @07:06AM
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A very popular reuse of an item in Germany is using the glass that a certain brand of mustard comes in as drinking glasses. It even says, or at least used to say, on the label that this is a popular thing. Most people I know have a few of them.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by flyingfences on Monday March 30, 2020 @10:23AM
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There's a brand (French, I think) of Jam [0] that's widely available in stores here in America; I've found that their jars make fine rocks glasses once the jam is all used up.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by rags2riches on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @12:49AM
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Mustard advertising in Sweden has made point of it as well[0]. An image search for "senapsglas" yields examples of glasses from different manufacturers of mustard[1] (although some hits seem to be for snapsglas which is something different).
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by RugnirViking on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:32AM
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We used to use old nutella jars from france that had lovely images of asterix and obelix on them as glasses. We had a full set back in the day, which was great!
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by tomc1985 on Monday March 30, 2020 @01:26AM
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I visited some friends in South America and they had just bought a property out in the countryside and were building a house. They had a shed for housing their dog food (they rescued street animals) and, to my surprise, the inside of the walls were built with stacked-up Jack Daniels bottles. They covered the outside with wood paneling so it looked like a normal shack from the outside. I have no idea where they got so many bottles (my friend had a whiskey habit but this would have been a lot of drinking), but apparently this is a common thing to do over there
Articles like these pop up every now and then and I can't help but think of my friend's dogfood shack.
(Oh, and the house was built by a proper construction crew, with wood beams and all, not bottles...)
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by bacon_waffle on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:47AM
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A friend built a log cabin in Kentucky with different coloured glass bottles and jars interspersed in the chinking so that light comes through. Really neat effect.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by redsparrow on Monday March 30, 2020 @01:59PM
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The Twelfth Apostle Church in Berlin has some windows made out of gin bottles. After the second world war the church needed to replace some windows. The Gilka liquor factory nearby donated gin bottles.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by koonsolo on Monday March 30, 2020 @07:38AM
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There's an error in the title: It should read "A water bottle that..." ;). Hahaha!
Context: As a Belgian we like to make fun of Heineken not being a 'real' beer, because Belgian beers are way better. This is of course all relative because I know some Belgians picked Heineken as their favorite beer in blind tests (shame on them! ;)).
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by h2odragon on Sunday March 29, 2020 @11:56PM
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Fill them, sand or sawdust or something, and fragility might be less of an issue? Even just for windows it's a lovely idea. I'd worry about the strength, people living in glass houses would worry about shards.
Re:Heineken WOBO: A Beer Bottle That Doubles as a Brick
by reaperducer on Monday March 30, 2020 @10:09AM
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As they say, "What once was old is new again."
Beer bottle houses weren't uncommon in the late 1800's and early 1900's in the mining towns of the American deserts. There wasn't enough water to make bricks, and wood was scarce and needed for other purposes.
But where there are men, there is beer. So beer bottles were used to build homes. I've seen at least four, including one preserved by the State of Nevada in a ghost town outside Beatty.
There's factories in at least Belgium, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Lithuania, Switzerland, Russia, Slovakia and Ukraine.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foam_glass
The insulation properties depend on the chemical composition of the glass. With recycled glass, the chemical composition is not fully under control and therefore they limit the amount of recycled glass.
Production of cellular glass (also called foam glass) requires, even with recycled glass, a lot of energy. That makes it one of the most expensive inorganic insulation materials.
It also has some extreme insulation properties: it doesn't look like it really absorbs or lets through any moisture or air. There might be cases where that isn't ideal.
But living on the fourth floor of an old building with central heating in the basement does make me wish all the pipes were insulated with that material instead - it's absurd to have to wait many minutes for warm water to come out of the tap or shower because so much heat is lost along the way.
> Sound-absorbing Foamglas® insulation is more than 50% open cell bubbles, and heat-insulating Foamglas® is more than 75% closed-cell air bubbles, which can be adjusted according to the requirements of use through changes in production technical parameters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foam_glass
https://www.owenscorning.com/corporate/sustainability/produc...
Wonder how much more expensive these would be to manufacture. Making no waste is priceless though.
[1] http://www.ferver.eu/en/node/31
You could get a few in series and have a hasty purification system.
Some countries do that. Notably Finland and Sweden. When you buy a can of coke, or a glass bottle of beer, there is a small surcharge added to the price. When you return the empty container you receive your money back.
People discard cans/bottles in parks, at bus-stops, and people make a living collecting them and claiming the money back.
https://www.sitra.fi/en/cases/deposit-based-recycling-system...
(Whether you are able to return them is a different question, because the Danish system allows vendors to reject bottles that they aren't selling themselves, which is something Germany was quick to outlaw)
A few cans and bottles are discarded but the vast majority are returned because it is so easy to do; almost every supermarket has a machine that accepts the bottles and cans (including those not sold in that shop), crushes them, and prints a ticket that you can redeem at the checkout.
I had no idea the program had stopped, but I guess it must have been around the time I left Scotland.
Reusing glass bottles might make more sense, since you save the melting step.
Also, http://www.ferver.eu/en/node/31 disagrees with you that it's not "a lot".
I think recycling glass makes much more sense than throwing it away.
[0] https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=senf%20tommy%20glas
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mole+jar+glass&t=h_&iax=images&ia=...
It never occurred to me back then that it was unusual …
[0] https://assets.bonappetit.com/photos/5981f6d764829819a9174b4...
[0] http://precisensan.com/antikforum/attachment.php?attachmenti...
[1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Senapsglas&t=h_&iar=images&iax=ima...
They're about the same size as mole jars.
https://images.app.goo.gl/zNsjQ5MY5zSgafB9A
You can even put a lid back on it if you fear it might spill (eq. on a cluttered desk).
Articles like these pop up every now and then and I can't help but think of my friend's dogfood shack.
(Oh, and the house was built by a proper construction crew, with wood beams and all, not bottles...)
I see some fine examples on duckduckgo search results, but they look too extravagant: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=house+made+of+glass+bottles...
Was there anything used as mortar between the bottles?
Exterior Photo: https://media04.berliner-woche.de/article/2018/01/30/8/8798_...
Interior: https://media04.berliner-woche.de/article/2018/01/30/6/8786_...
Article (in German): https://www.berliner-woche.de/schoeneberg/c-kultur/alfred-ko...
Context: As a Belgian we like to make fun of Heineken not being a 'real' beer, because Belgian beers are way better. This is of course all relative because I know some Belgians picked Heineken as their favorite beer in blind tests (shame on them! ;)).
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Beer bottle houses weren't uncommon in the late 1800's and early 1900's in the mining towns of the American deserts. There wasn't enough water to make bricks, and wood was scarce and needed for other purposes.
But where there are men, there is beer. So beer bottles were used to build homes. I've seen at least four, including one preserved by the State of Nevada in a ghost town outside Beatty.
https://www.roadarch.com/h/rhyolite.html