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Re:The History of WD-40 by nimbius on Monday March 09, 2020 @08:03PM (#22531325)
disclosure: I work in automotive trade craft as a diesel mechanic and I dont care to have WD40 in my shop at all for a few reasons:

0. It is a solvent, not a lubricant. This is often lost on apprentices until they wear out a drive chain or blow up a firearm. WD40 does a terrible job of blurring that line. even the article touts it several times as a lubricant :(

1. it absolutely CAN NOT be used around hot work, unlike most other lubricants like ND999. cans --aerosol or not-- are treated just like a can of petrol.

2. Again, it is stunningly flammable both in and out of its aerosol form because its mostly kerosene. That means aerosol vapors floating around a powdercoat setup, an open flame, or any ignition spark, will cause it to catch fire. if your apprentice just hosed down a part with WD40 and you need to take a torch to it, youre going to have a bad time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40

Re:The History of WD-40 by forkexec on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:15AM (#22533206)
Haha. Yep. WD-40 is petroleum distillates and for DIY noobs.

Penetrating oil for not hot work: 90/10 vegetable oil + acetone. Much better than commercial products and very cheap. IIRC it was tested on ProjectFarm (I maybe mistaken) and written up in a Drexel paper. [0]

Machinist's Workshop - April/May 2007 says 50/50 ATF + acetone, which requires mixing before use.

0. https://www.engineeringforchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2015...

If you want to stop a squeaky hinge on a exterior gate, a very thick oil like axle grease would be best.

For indoor use, like on a door hinge, graphite should be tried first since it won't make that much of a mess.

Re:The History of WD-40 by Nux on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:18AM (#22533958)
An alternative could be transmission oil (low viscosity) + acetone, also 50/50.

Here's a guy on youtube showing how to make it and a comparison to other brands (the diy turned out the best):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WuVBFTzoKc

Re:The History of WD-40 by westmeal on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @07:13AM (#22534447)
Seconding this - this is some excellent stuff for rusted suspension nuts and bolts and things like stuck mechanisms. Just make sure to shake well before spraying as acetone likes to separate. If you have atf thats died red make sure it comes out pinkish.
Re:The History of WD-40 by friendly_fren on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:12PM (#22542605)
I stand by tranny fluid + acetone. That and the old heat it and beat it
Re:The History of WD-40 by kube-system on Monday March 09, 2020 @10:32PM (#22532237)
It is a lubricant, just a bad one. It is good for things that primarily need corrosion protection and cleaning and don't really need lubrication, but could benefit from it. Something like a pair of pliers. Or the outer skin of a missile. But yes, it's not good for parts where the primary goal is lubrication.
Re:The History of WD-40 by rawoke083600 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:22AM (#22532967)
Terrible for tools.. it will collect dust and dirt like a magnet. You better of to use 3-in-1 oil or other tool specific oils
Re:The History of WD-40 by ficklepickle on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:50PM (#22540134)
Yes, terrible for any metal on metal. It's only real use is as a degreaser.

Don't believe me? Put it on a bike chain and go for a ride. The whole thing will bind up in no time. It will also rust much faster. You can use it to strip old dirty lubricant, before applying fresh lubricant. But not as a lubricant.

I've been told this by no fewer than three people: shop teacher, bike shop owner and a mill wright. I've personally destroyed a bike chain with it as a kid, and I've seen other people destroy bike chains with wd-40.

It may have a bit of lubricant in it, but it is not sufficient.

Re:The History of WD-40 by kube-system on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @08:20PM (#22541554)
Sufficiency depends on use case.

I typically use WD40 on things that don't require any lubrication under normal operation. There are plenty of metal-on-metal mechanisms designed to work without any lubrication. For those purposes, it exceeds their lubrication requirement of zero.

If you have a use-case that typically requires a dedicated lubricant under normal operating conditions (i.e. a chain drive), then this likely exceeds the lubricating capabilities of WD40.

Re:The History of WD-40 by _greim_ on Monday March 09, 2020 @10:50PM (#22532331)
Ha, its properties as a solvent are the reason I keep it around. It works better than anything I've tried—isopropyl, acetone, mineral spirits—at dissolving residue left after peeling various stickers off new purchases.
Re:The History of WD-40 by hammock on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:10PM (#22532421)
Try gasoline also
Re:The History of WD-40 by jhoechtl on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:27AM (#22533727)
Diesel makes a great solvent too, requires some patience though
Re:The History of WD-40 by downerending on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:37PM (#22536953)
Re #0, growing up, one of my friends had a grumpy, old dad who was fond of yelling "WD-40 is not a lubricant!".

(Let's hear it for grumpy, old dads.)

Re:The History of WD-40 by rawoke083600 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:21AM (#22532961)
Yup , can confirmed ! I sometimes use it to spray on my fireplace wood thats too wet too start. I know horrible practise ! :(
Re:The History of WD-40 by jacobush on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:05AM (#22533608)
Great practice. :)
Re:The History of WD-40 by rawoke083600 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @12:35PM (#22558612)
afrikaans ? :D
Re:The History of WD-40 by lm28469 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @06:21AM (#22534230)
It's pretty bad at everything tbh. All it can do is done better by other products. It's just cheap and readily available, I wouldn't use it on anything of value.
Re:The History of WD-40 by germinalphrase on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:19PM (#22531815)
What is your preferred alternative?
Re:The History of WD-40 by joecool1029 on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:32PM (#22531898)
Don't wanna sound like a crazy sales guy, but I prefer Kano Kroil as a penetrating oil. A few drops of the stuff on any rusted bolt and it's friggin amazing. http://www.kanolabs.com/

I wouldn't use it as a lubricant though past getting seized bolts freed up, but really it's 100% replaced WD-40 for me when working on rusted and old equipment.

Re:The History of WD-40 by lhuser123 on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:45PM (#22531983)
Transmission fluid plus acetone is excellent for seized bolts. I wonder why.
Re:The History of WD-40 by potentialverand on Monday March 09, 2020 @10:49PM (#22532326)
Project Farm tested 7 penetrating oils. ATF/Acetone ranked 2nd place above many specifically designed fluids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUEob2oAKVs

Re:The History of WD-40 by mattmaroon on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:06PM (#22532405)
If you're looking for a lubricant, silicone based ones are awesome for many tasks. The brand WD40 (which now makes several different products) even makes them.

If you spray a lock with WD-40, it will lubricate it and loosen it up immediately, but then dust will stick to it overtime and he will end up worse than where you started. Silicone doesn't do that.

Re:The History of WD-40 by fulafel on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:06AM (#22532643)
PSA: "silicone" lubricants usually contain various hydrocarbons instead of silicone and are more health risky than the name would lead you to believe, see eg. https://files.wd40.com/pdf/sds/specialist/wd-40-specialist-w...
Re:The History of WD-40 by mattmaroon on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @08:21AM (#22534768)
I'm assuming it contains silicone too and just doesn't have to mention it in the MSDS, but that's good to know. Thanks!
Re:The History of WD-40 by at-fates-hands on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:17AM (#22532688)
>> it will lubricate it and loosen it up immediately, but then dust will stick to it overtime

I learned this the hard way when I started lockpicking. Bought a huge box of old locks, some were really sticky and I asked online and people said, "Use WD40, it will loosen the pins right up for yah!"

Sure did and then about three months later, they were all gummed up from dust and other particles that stuck to the WD40 like velcro.

It was a good lesson to learn though.

Re:The History of WD-40 by nkozyra on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:55AM (#22534111)
Do people still like graphite? My dad worked in a metal shop his whole like and that was his go-to for most of these jobs.
Re:The History of WD-40 by geraldcombs on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:58PM (#22532055)
Tri-Flow. It's a lightweight oil + teflon, and doesn't evaporate like WD-40. It's marketed primarily to the cycling community, but I tend to use it where most people would use WD-40 (fixing squeaky hinges, loosening bolts, etc.)
Re:The History of WD-40 by m463 on Monday March 09, 2020 @10:25PM (#22532194)
Tri-Flow is awesome. I think it gets the teflon bits into the right places. Put it on a bike chain and it become silent.
Re:The History of WD-40 by hammock on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:11PM (#22532427)
Yikes, teflon is not a great chemical to get near your body - or into the environment.
Re:The History of WD-40 by creeble on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:01AM (#22532627)
Teflon is inert - you are probably thinking of PFOA, a chemical that used to be used in making Teflon.
Re:The History of WD-40 by slacka on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:02AM (#22532877)
PFAS are found in the blood of every human on this planet. Google "sources of PFAS" and you'll learn Teflon products are a primary source.

For example[1]

> the main route of PFAS exposure for most Americans:

> Teflon and other brands of nonstick cookware are still produced with new PFAS that may be no safer.

[1] https://www.ewg.org/pfaschemicals/what-are-forever-chemicals...

Re:The History of WD-40 by kl4m on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @03:27AM (#22533441)
Your link is mixing up the two molecules by calling PFAS "The Teflon chemical". "Teflon", the non-stick final product, is PTFE with a very strong fluorine chemical bond and no chance of reacting with the human body at normal temperatures (That's why nothing manages to stick to it, basically). PFAS were used by DuPont in the manufacture of Teflon (and recklessly dumped into the environment).

PFAS are an ecological disaster; Teflon itself is not a concern.

Re:The History of WD-40 by mafm on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @07:00AM (#22534416)
Birds have fragile high performance lungs.

Using teflon cookware around a pet parrot is a well-known way to kill the pet.

Teflon frying pans are supposed to be safe if you never let them overheat, but in practice they're not safe if you have birds in the house.

PTFE is toxic for humans too, but human lungs are more robust than bird lungs.

Re:The History of WD-40 by kl4m on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:48PM (#22540115)
Sure polymer fumes are bad, but this is about oiling a bike chain.
Re:The History of WD-40 by mrspuratic on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @06:30AM (#22534283)
"Normal temperatures" is the key thing, "unattended frying pan temperature" is different altogether...
Re:The History of WD-40 by geraldcombs on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @06:26PM (#22540504)
How much is enough to be harmful? According to the MSDS[1], the stuff I use is < 3% teflon, and a 6 oz bottle lasts me the better part of a decade.

[1]https://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=TRIFLOW&pro...

Re:The History of WD-40 by hammock on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:18PM (#22547651)
That is good to hear. There is no safe amount
Re:The History of WD-40 by kingosticks on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:56AM (#22534120)
That brand seems to be available only in the US.
Re:The History of WD-40 by senderista on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:41AM (#22533297)
Ballistol (non-toxic as well).
Re:The History of WD-40 by annoyingnoob on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:47PM (#22532572)
As a lubricant I prefer white lithium grease.
Re:The History of WD-40 by RijilV on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:12AM (#22532664)
T9 if you’re good with paraffin based product.
Re:The History of WD-40 by King-Aaron on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:27AM (#22534000)
A mate of mine is a master mech with Nissan, and he introduced me to Forch Black Magic S411... my life has never been the same again
Re:The History of WD-40 by hinkley on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:11AM (#22532918)
WD-40 is so light that it can be flung off a bicycle chain just from going around the cogs, which is a hell of a lot slower than car parts.

It tends to get banned among cyclists, too.

Re:The History of WD-40 by radicalbyte on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @03:16AM (#22533405)
It is fantastic for cleaning your chain before applying proper chain oil.
Re:The History of WD-40 by effie on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @07:14AM (#22534457)
> WD-40 is so light that it can be flung off a bicycle chain just from going around the cogs, which is a hell of a lot slower than car parts.

How do you mean? The WD-40 liquid falls of, or evaporates too quickly?

Re:The History of WD-40 by hinkley on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:54PM (#22538368)
For a while, decent bike tires had tan sidewalls. We noticed that some people had weird streaks on their tires that looked a lot like SpinArt.

Someone somewhere figured out that WD-40 was causing that. And sure enough everybody with streaks said that they use WD-40 on their chains. The streaks were dirt sticking to oil. And if the oil is on your tire, it went past your rims to get there, which is very much not good.

Re:The History of WD-40 by de_watcher on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @08:26AM (#22534796)
Chain is cleaned with WD-40 and then lubricated with vaseline. Grease is used for non-sealed bearings.
Re:The History of WD-40 by lloydatkinson on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:29AM (#22536266)
What's the WD-40 equivalent for lubrication purposes?