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Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by newscracker on Friday December 27, 2019 @12:39PM (#21892761)
Apple News was already flakey and unreliable in the sources (websites) it would allow to be added. With its highly limited geographical availability (years after launching) and its problematic focus on News+, I switched back to a plain RSS Reader to follow specific sites.

Apple News seems like a niche product with hardly any technical effort put into it. In comparison, Google News, with its ads, generally looks like a more comprehensive choice for news. Not to mention it’s also “free” (of course, it never allowed, AFAIK, adding RSS feeds from any site).

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by gundmc on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:11PM (#21893015)
I was under the impression that Google News didn't have ads. At least I can't recall ever seeing ads on the news.google.com site (the Google Feed on Android is another story, that thing is riddled with ads now).
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by rosybox on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:36AM (#21897860)
There are no ads on Google News and I think it would be hard for Google to monetize other news organizations' content in their own news app without being sued for it.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by codyb on Friday December 27, 2019 @03:25PM (#21894269)
It hasn’t been around too long. In a few years it’ll probably be pretty competent at what it does.

I don’t use it but that was certainly the trend with Apple Maps which was pretty crummy when it first came out.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by nvrspyx on Friday December 27, 2019 @04:23PM (#21894788)
It's been around since 2015. It shouldn't take 6+ years for a news aggregator app to become pretty competent. With its current model, it's already lost a lot of momentum (I don't know anyone that uses it) and will just continue to lose it, especially since its not a "necessary" utility or has as little competition as a maps/navigation app. In my opinion, it's more likely to be abandoned or maybe even transitioned into something else as Newsstand did when it became News than for it to become successful, especially since Apple is moving more and more to services.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by sbarre on Friday December 27, 2019 @03:31PM (#21894326)
Apple Maps is still pretty far behind Google Maps.

I don't have high hopes for News, given how much it keeps pushing features that are either user-unfriendly (giant ads in the middle of articles) or designed solely to push you to News+

I used to be a regular (many times a day) user and their changes have led me to stop using it entirely.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by catalogia on Friday December 27, 2019 @06:11PM (#21895642)
> Apple Maps is still pretty far behind Google Maps.

Both fall well short of OSM for topics other than finding local businesses. OSM gives me incredible detail, even telling me where water fountains and benches are in the local park. Meanwhile Google Maps doesn't even recognize the restricted access road running through the park, let alone any of the walking trails, let alone any water fountains, benches, etc.

If you can't drive a car on it or through it or to it, Google thinks it may as well not exist.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by dragonwriter on Friday December 27, 2019 @06:15PM (#21895667)
> If you can't drive a car on it or through it or to it, Google thinks it may as well not exist.

That may seem to be true some places, but I've seen many places (including around my house) where Google has great coverage of nameless walking and biking trails that aren't open to cars.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by catalogia on Friday December 27, 2019 @06:26PM (#21895746)
Have you compared Google's and OSM's maps of those locations side by side? I wager OSM has much more detail. This is the case even for public parks located in the middle of major American west coast cities (where I would expect Google to have good coverage, if they had it anywhere.)

Consider for instance this city park in Seattle:

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6397466,-122.2948284,18.95z

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/47.63987/-122.29488&la...

Google has gotten better in recent years, it now has a few of the walking trails, but compared to OSM it's still absolutely pitiful. Even in high profile locations like Yellowstone National Park, Google Maps is pitiful compared to OSM:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3925569,-110.5541906,18z

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/44.39273/-110.55472&la...

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by askbjoernhansen on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:23AM (#21897822)
Apple Maps seems to have comparable detail to OSM for that location ... https://maps.apple.com/?ll=44.39273,-110.55472&spn=0.003043,...

Or what do you see that the rest of us don't? :-)

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by userbinator on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:03AM (#21897212)
If you can't drive a car on it or through it or to it, Google thinks it may as well not exist.

Given what Google uses to build its maps, that's not surprising:

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/259216/google-street-view.jpg

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by Spooky23 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:40PM (#21901193)
Try it again. Apple Maps is pretty good.

The love/hate thing is that it picks a more normal route vs optimized. I personally like it because I don’t find that a Google Maps optimizations help in urban settings.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by briandear on Friday December 27, 2019 @03:34PM (#21894363)
> Apple Maps is still pretty far behind Google Maps.

Depends where you are, the Apple version of street view is far superior to Google’s.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by sbarre on Friday December 27, 2019 @03:35PM (#21894368)
Anywhere other than a few major cities?
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by Eric_WVGG on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:41PM (#21900307)
No bicycle navigation; a “walking route” will send you the wrong way up one-way streets, “auto route” onto unsafe highways.

I wouldn’t care except their API for directions to AirPods or Apple Watch isn’t public. This is grounds for an antitrust suit imho...

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by saagarjha on Friday December 27, 2019 @05:15PM (#21895219)
Remember iTunes/Music? I have little hope that it’ll get better.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by Shivetya on Saturday December 28, 2019 @08:59AM (#21898917)
doesn't matter if it is half done or not as feature complete as other sites, it just is the default on an iPad so people like my parents end up using it because Apple makes sure to highlight it being added.

so for those who did not consider looking for a source of news and one just appears it pretty much is a lock. the local newspaper (AJC) has their own app but its not great and worse when sending links they don't format to the device opening it; comics are the worst as half the frames are missing

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by iscrewyou on Friday December 27, 2019 @12:52PM (#21892861)
Which RSS reader do you use?
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by pmoriarty on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:04PM (#21892952)
I use a terminal RSS reader called newsboat[1][2], which is an actively developed fork of newsbeuter.

It's pretty feature rich, fast, keyboard-oriented (supporting vi movement keys), and works great in the terminal.

Another great thing about it is that it runs completely on my own machine, so I don't have to give away information about my reading preferences to any third party, as would be the case for any hosted RSS service.

I love RSS because it gives me lean, fast, ad-free, bloat-free information. I hope it never dies.

[1] - https://newsboat.org/

[2] - https://github.com/newsboat/newsboat

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by kgwxd on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:13PM (#21893046)
I love newsbeuter, it's how I get all latest news about the death of RSS :)
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by fredthomsen on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:24PM (#21893128)
Feels like there has been a bit of a resurgence lately, not that I have any hard data to back that up. The major players ie google and now apple have dumped it, but most blogs and news sites still have rss feeds.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by heavyset_go on Friday December 27, 2019 @04:42PM (#21894953)
When I follow a site via RSS, I go out of my way to reach out to the owner and let them know I am enjoying their content via RSS.

If I site I want to follow doesn't have RSS, I reach out and let the owner know I can't follow their site via RSS. A few people implemented RSS on their blogs because of it :)

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by newscracker on Monday December 30, 2019 @06:28AM (#21912617)
Thank you. That makes a lot of sense!
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by _jal on Friday December 27, 2019 @02:04PM (#21893513)
It has always been a "people's choice" sort of thing, a least for a certain slice of "people".

Large media outfits tend to hate RSS because it puts curation in the hands of users, and that curation function is what a lot of people will pay a lot of money to influence.

Smaller media outfits like it, because they can find readers without paying money to influence the large gatekeepers.

As blogging has "matured", the big shops are feeling more confident that they can lock folks back in to their curation.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by asdff on Friday December 27, 2019 @03:31PM (#21894324)
Ironically its the large media outlets that usually have categorical and comprehensive rss feeds, presumably by virtue of being around during the peak google reader years when rss was expected and not bothering with purging the functionality.

It's the upstart outlets that I notice not having RSS at all, with a twitter handle in its place. Pass for me.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by PhasmaFelis on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:49PM (#21893360)
RSS has always been the best way to follow multiple webcomics. I'm not sure why it seems so little-known in that world.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by MereInterest on Friday December 27, 2019 @03:27PM (#21894287)
Definitely. If a comic doesn't have an RSS feed, I won't keep up with it. It isn't worth keeping track of the different update schedules and platforms.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by panarky on Friday December 27, 2019 @02:29PM (#21893731)
Google News still has RSS feeds.

Search for what you want, click "News", scroll to the bottom of the page and create an alert.

Then you can select "RSS feed" to get a custom feed for your search terms or news topic.

https://imgur.com/dn4OQCX

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by catach on Friday December 27, 2019 @06:41PM (#21895856)
In terms of most blogs still having RSS, I suspect that's primarily due to default software settings.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by fredthomsen on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:22PM (#21893109)
Big fan of newsboat. I still run freshrss on a pi just for use on mobile and starting certain article s.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by dredmorbius on Friday December 27, 2019 @04:24PM (#21894798)
I'm ... mostly ... a fan.

Though I'd very much prefer a linebreak between index listings as a bit of contextual segregation / clausterphobia breaking.

I also find search ... nonintuitive.

Though on balance, it's pretty slick.

By the original newsbeuter author, rsstail and multitail are also damned slick. I've got an rsstail script (with a lot of pretification / scrubbing of the feed streams) that runs as an xrootconsole window on my desktop, alternating amongst various feeds.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by mhb on Friday December 27, 2019 @12:55PM (#21892889)
Not the OP, but https://bazqux.com/ is very nice.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by asymmetric on Friday December 27, 2019 @12:59PM (#21892912)
Is there a self-hosted RSS reader that does feed de-summarization, like BazQux seems to do?
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by MekaiGS on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:13PM (#21893037)
The only one I know is: https://fivefilters.org/content-only/

It works for all the major sites but it is paid but with self-hosting option.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by Semaphor on Friday December 27, 2019 @02:00PM (#21893474)
I think Newsblur [0] can do it but self hosting it is pretty involved.

[0]: https://github.com/samuelclay/NewsBlur

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by netghost on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:00AM (#21897195)
Since this seems to be the thread where everyone mentions the RSS feed reader they use/write, I'll share Brook. It's a very minimal feed reader that gives you what you need and gets out of the way.

You can use it in Firefox right now, and if anyone is interested, I'll port it to Chrome. Honestly I wrote it because my old favorite feed reader Sage wasn't supported after Firefox switched to the web extensions standards.

Give it a peek if you either want to see how it works, or you just want a simple way to browse your favorite sites in your browser.

Source: https://github.com/adamsanderson/brook

Plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/brook-feed-re...

(Okay, now let's get back to the regularly scheduled outrage around the decline of RSS and maybe mention how Google doesn't support its products anymore ;) )

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by CountHackulus on Friday December 27, 2019 @06:17PM (#21895680)
Just going to pimp https://theoldreader.com/ which mimics the old Google Reader UI down to the shortcuts. I don't think I could live without it and gladly pay my yearly membership for the premium version even if I don't actually need it.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by eisa01 on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:53PM (#21893399)
Inoreader is my choice. If you pay for it, you can also feed email newsletters/press releases into it, and follow Twitter/Facebook pages
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by sys_64738 on Friday December 27, 2019 @02:21PM (#21893662)
Been using inoreader since Google Reader died. Great service which I found this page from :)
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by amaccuish on Friday December 27, 2019 @04:58PM (#21895096)
https://github.com/wking/rss2email

Just sends the latest articles to an IMAP folder. I can use any device that syncs to my email (currently using the built in ActiveSync client on Android), and can access it from webmail, and via Thunderbird on Linux.

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by pooroldlistr on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:09PM (#21892999)
I have a script run rsstail via cron to catch updates and email it to Gmail for reading/review

Email is HTML formatted how I want, and Gmail will probably not be deprecated any time soon.

https://github.com/flok99/rsstail

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by jjordan on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:11PM (#21893011)
Not the OP, but I've never found anything faster than the Livemarks plugin for quickly scanning headlines from all of your favorite sites with a quick mouseover in your browser's bookmark toolbar.

Livemarks (or the Chrome/Vivaldi equivalent 'Foxish live RSS') was released after Firefox killed off their Live Bookmarks feature a year or so ago.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/livemarks/

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/foxish-live-rss/jp...

Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by manigandham on Friday December 27, 2019 @11:28PM (#21897089)
https://feedly.com/ is the best web-based reader today. Mobile app also works great.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by Nextgrid on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:34PM (#21893224)
I recommend News Explorer. It has seamless sync between the Mac and iOS version via iCloud.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by TuringNYC on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:28PM (#21893182)
I use Feedly. I subscribe (paid) to Apple News +. I wish I could read thru Feedly.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by newscracker on Monday December 30, 2019 @06:27AM (#21912611)
I use Reeder 3 on iOS and NetNewsWire on Mac. NetNewsWire is a free and open source RSS reader. An iOS version (also free) is coming in the first quarter of 2020.
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by mey on Friday December 27, 2019 @01:05PM (#21892965)
Newsblur
Re:Apple News No Longer Supports RSS by IceWreck on Friday December 27, 2019 @02:45PM (#21893898)
Fresh RSS is my favorite. It is self hosted and has apps for mobile.