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Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by alister on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @05:23PM (#21880813)
Along with counterfeits, another issue that makes shopping unpleasant is that many products are superfically different but underneath are the same thing. You can see this most clearly in a retail store when the products are side by side. Walmart might have 30 kinds of wall clocks with wood vs plastic frame, with or without Roman numerals, but the actual clock mechanism on the back is the same cheap black box. Home Depot has dozens of kitchen exhaust hoods with well-known brand names, but it looks to me like the internals (fan/filter/exhaust parts) are all made by the same company. A pharmacy gives the illusion of hundreds of different cold medicines, painkillers, and antacids, but it's the same few drugs packaged in hundreds of different ways.

I don't know the solution to this. I wish there were some way to signal when stuff is 90% to 99% identical to cut down on pointless duplicate products and/or to make comparisons easier.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by jacobkg on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @05:31PM (#21880843)
Fun aside, if you buy a cheap wall clock from a big box store, you can often swap out the clock movement with a vastly superior one for very little money. A nice Seiko movement with a sweep second hand can be had for under $20.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by brianwawok on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @05:38PM (#21880874)
But why would you want a nice movement on a cardboard clock? At that point you spend another few dollars for a nicer package.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by exhilaration on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @07:41PM (#21881321)
But how do you that Seiko movement you're buying isn't counterfeit?
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by starpilot on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @05:57PM (#21880969)
Is the cheap quartz movement that it comes with insufficiently accurate?
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by Xamayon on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @06:26PM (#21881062)
Accuracy is mostly fine in my experience, but the battery life is often poor and they tend to be relatively loud. I like quiet, so the noise is more than enough reason to swap the movement when easy imho.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by rladd on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @06:58PM (#21881174)
I have a $12 Ikea clock that looks rather like a Swiss train clock (not exactly of course) and which keeps nearly perfect time and runs for over a year on one battery.

It is miles better than the $5 Ikea clock, but I see no reason to pay more since the $12 one looks good and runs perfectly well.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by muzika on Thursday December 26, 2019 @12:50AM (#21882228)
One year on a battery is nothing to be proud of :)
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by toast0 on Thursday December 26, 2019 @01:41AM (#21882370)
If you care about an alkaline battery powered item, it's in your interests to change the batteries once a year --- it's the easiest way to avoid battery leakage.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by certera on Thursday December 26, 2019 @01:37AM (#21882357)
Ya, but what kind of battery?
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by tomcam on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @08:52PM (#21881601)
Not trying to be snarky, genuinely interested: what are the advantages of the superior movement?
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by ngorge on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @09:52PM (#21881769)
The gears are manufactured to better tolerances. This means they make a lot less noise. A cheap movement can be heard across the room, a Seiko is silent.

Because the parts fit better, there is less friction. Less of a load on the motor means the battery lasts much longer in a Seiko.

They also keep time better.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by halbritt on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @11:20PM (#21882001)
A great deal of their reputation is based on their ability to produce precise quartz movements, ostensibly resistant to temperature changes, etc.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by ryanmercer on Thursday December 26, 2019 @06:45AM (#21883211)
>This means they make a lot less noise. A cheap movement can be heard across the room,

I laughed out loud as I can hear my alarm clock ticking 8ft away thunk, thunk, thunk, thunk quite loudly. You can actually hear it from the living room if the TV is off, perhaps I should look into something made a bit better.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by Danieru on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @09:36PM (#21881722)
Reading the sales data: no tick sounds. Presumably less drift as well.

That most people do not care about the quality of the movement is why Wal-Mart has lots of shells with the same movements.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by tartoran on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @09:34PM (#21881719)
It lasts forever
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by appleiigs on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @10:29PM (#21881871)
The solution is to buy local. That gives the Home Depot guy an opportunity to tell you, “you know, the internals are all the same”, and the pharmacists lady can say “the generic Tylenol/Advil is called this”.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by whatshisface on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @11:35PM (#21882046)
What town do you live in where big chain store employees are knowledgeable and have worked there for longer than a few months?
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by Pxtl on Thursday December 26, 2019 @02:59AM (#21882541)
I live in Canada and all the old guys working at Home Depot seem like they know their crap, although their knowledge is often dated - I get the impression they're ex-contractors.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by warent on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @05:28PM (#21880831)
The solution starts with manually verifying products. I'm not convinced that it's impossible for Amazon or other stores to have a quality verification system where they have people hired specifically for this purpose. Maybe even a third party could specifically do this. You don't have to do it for every single item, just do it once whenever someone wants to list a product on the platform. Whenever reviews start complain about bogus products, investigate, and if they changed the product from the last time you verified it, remove them from the platform for a period of time.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by shurth on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @08:49PM (#21881591)
I work for a company that produces ingestible goods. Having worked for Amazon previously, I knew select brands were allowed to be “gated”, that is, only be sold by authorized resellers. Imagine my surprise when Amazon repeatedly denied us the ability to gate our brand. As a consumer, I’d like to know that an ingestible good comes from a reputable source - more so than a Coach purse. The whole experience really shot Bezos’ “customer centricity” principle in the rear for me.

Amazon could greatly improve its counterfeit issue by giving manufacturers more control over their brand. That, to me, is the root of the issue.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by teblaskan on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @05:44PM (#21880903)
some hunch tells me this would put them out of business
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by mkl on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @07:58PM (#21881392)
Why do you think that? I think they would just pass the slightly increased cost on to vendors and/or customers.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by didibus on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @07:57PM (#21881389)
That's currently what they do I'm pretty sure. It seems they'd need something more, because sellers appear to be too ingenious.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by didibus on Thursday December 26, 2019 @05:54PM (#21887557)
This isn't the best source, but the claims are there: https://blog.aboutamazon.com/company-news/product-safety-and...

Only difference from what OP suggested is it doesn't seem they manually look at all initial listing. Apart from that it seems they claim having exactly the described system by OP in place.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by teddyc on Thursday December 26, 2019 @08:58AM (#21883806)
Almost every water heater sold at big box home improvement retailers is manufactured by the same company in Tennessee.

There is some truth to this sentiment. I think part of it comes from the "race to the bottom" for low prices which fosters disposable consumables (even for durable goods) and leaves you with monopolies / oligopolies after the dust settles.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by ekianjo on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @06:55PM (#21881164)
> A pharmacy gives the illusion of hundreds of different cold medicines, painkillers, and antacids, but it's the same few drugs packaged in hundreds of different ways.

Technically no. Event generics have different excipients and excipients give them a slightly different profile.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by jolux on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @07:18PM (#21881239)
I’ve compared them a few times. They rarely differ in more than a couple ingredients. Even so CVS for example sells what as far as I can tell is identical, generic cough syrup in a green or orange box depending if you prefer Delsym or Robitussin.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by ekianjo on Friday December 27, 2019 @12:00AM (#21889332)
Ingredients are not identical even if they look the same on a label. Juste like flour, you have hundreds of different qualities of it.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by jolux on Friday December 27, 2019 @09:04AM (#21891351)
Sure, but barring extensive evidence about the differences between them, how is one supposed to select?
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by ikeboy on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @05:45PM (#21880908)
It's that competition that brings down prices. If there was only one unique brand per product, they'd charge much more.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by dmos62 on Wednesday December 25, 2019 @06:00PM (#21880984)
This isn't about the number of brands, but about confusing marketing, which in many ways is bad for true competition, because it confuses the buyer.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by izacus on Thursday December 26, 2019 @05:00AM (#21882889)
What kind of confusing marketing? Clocks are decorative products, having several different designs with same mechanism isn't just logical but also market working as it should. This way you can choose the clock that fits your preference and fits into your living space.

I don't quite understand this rant - it's like complaining there's toomany different paintings to choose to put on the wall.

Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by dmos62 on Thursday December 26, 2019 @07:48AM (#21883421)
An analogy would be not being able to browse by painter.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by skrebbel on Thursday December 26, 2019 @01:24AM (#21882322)
This is basically a rant against industry standardization.
Re:Counterfeits on Amazon cost Warren bird feeder business $... by TeMPOraL on Thursday December 26, 2019 @03:33AM (#21882630)
More like rant against dressing standardized components a thousand different ways to make it seem there's more options than there are.

What standardization could enable, in a better world, is customizability - the ability to cheaply compose standard parts and some dressing on top to match a particular demand of an individual customer. Instead, we get common customizations prebaked and deployed on the market in a shotgun fashion. It's extremely wasteful, and a reflection of the fact that matter is too cheap these days.