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Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by exhilaration on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:05AM (#20838704)
One of the best tips I learned about reducing food waste is to freeze bread and avoid putting it into the fridge. Frozen bread stays fresh and can go directly into a toaster or toaster oven:

Harold McGee replies: Good point to bring up! Bread and other lean baked goods are the exception to the rule that cold storage is good. Bread stales faster at refrigerator temperatures than at room temperature. So if you want to keep a loaf for a couple of days, a breadbox is better than the fridge. For much longer than that, the freezer is the best place.

https://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/harold-mc...

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by ma2rten on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:58AM (#20839238)
My parents have been doing that since I was young. This way they could avoid going to the bakery in the morning like many people in germany do.

But frozen bread is not quite same. It has a strange crispiness to it.

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by kaybe on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:49AM (#20839716)
The bakery will sell you half a loaf if you ask, which is what I tend to do. I never tried asking for a smaller portion, maybe it's possible.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by jedberg on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:09PM (#20840459)
When I was a kid I would make my lunch each morning with frozen bread. By the time lunch rolled around, I had nice soft bread and the sandwich was still cold, so I could safely put turkey and mayo in a sandwich.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by tzs on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:26PM (#20840596)
If you want to thaw it without toasting it, and like me have a crappy toaster where you never can figure out how to heat it enough to thaw without also partly toasting it, I've found that a short time in the microwave thaws frozen sliced bread very well. (Well, frozen sliced wheat bread. I haven't tried other varieties).

If you aren't in a hurry, it also thaws pretty well on the counter. About 10 minutes seems to do the trick.

I wish someone had told me all this a long time ago. For the first 35+ years of my adult life buying bread either meant wasting a lot, or eating a lot more sandwiches and toast than I would have liked.

The other frozen thing I wish I'd known about a lot earlier is microwave "steam in bag" frozen vegetables, such as [1]. They are only $0.78 at my local store, which is way cheaper than the canned vegetables I used to buy, taste way better, and are trivial to prepare (stick bag in microwave for 5 minutes, let stand for 1 minute).

[1] https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Steamable-Mixed-Veget...

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by joshuahughes on Friday August 30, 2019 @02:17PM (#20841087)
I and various other family members discovered the hard way that frozen > defrosted bread led to serious stomach discomfort — apparently because of the changes that happen to the starches when they're frozen. They change from their normal state into a 'resistant' starch, which can cause you problems if you have a tendency towards something like IBS.

Here's one BBC article that mentions it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4DfZMpv7BYJ3kGXdHx...

"Freezing turns starch into resistant starch... this means that your body gets far fewer calories from the bread. In effect, the resistant starch feeds your gut bacteria, rather than feeding you."

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday August 30, 2019 @03:55PM (#20842025)
On the other hand, maybe that's a good note for people looking to cut calories and still want to eat some bread.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by joshuahughes on Friday August 30, 2019 @04:15PM (#20842225)
Absolutely. If you can cope with it, it's a win. It's just important to note that the bread that comes out of the freezer is materially different to the bread that went in.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by RankingMember on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:12AM (#20839368)
This seems counter to my experience with bread. I wonder if it differs based on bread type. The whole grain stuff I buy grows mold noticeably faster if left out compared with being stored in the fridge.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by RussianCow on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:15AM (#20839404)
By "stays fresh" I think the OP means "doesn't go stale", not that it doesn't go moldy. Bread in the fridge dries out considerably faster than bread sitting out.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by phonypc on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:26AM (#20839503)
Bread staling is actually somewhat separate from drying. The cooked starch recrystallizes, and it's the low temperature in the fridge that accelerates this.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by eurg on Friday August 30, 2019 @12:57PM (#20840337)
Are you keeping the bread in an open or a closed container, and what's the humidity in the room like? Here at home at 25 deg Celsius and <60% rel. humidity, a correctly stored whole grain bread doesn't grow mold in a week. It's rare that I keep bread that long, though (usually 4 days max). Closed containers don't work well, there needs to be some air exchange.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by AnimalMuppet on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:05PM (#20840427)
What happens if there isn't air exchange? Mold? The bread gets soggy? Something else?

Where I live, it's more like 20% relative humidity, and bread with air exchange dries out.

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by eurg on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:22PM (#20840561)
edit: If no air exchange, it dries slower, inviting mold. There is such a thing like an ideal "drying to age" ratio to keep age-related staleness at a minimum w/o having to care for mold. What I mean is, older bread should be drier than fresh bread, not too much, not too little. Correctly kept, it dries out (only after several days) instead of getting moldy.

About your situation: I've to admit that I don't know about keeping bread well in such bad conditions. I'd try a slightly more sealed container, or if that doesn't work, slice and freeze it fresh. Other than that, find uses for dry bread (works perfectly fine in soup, or if white bread, make breadcrumbs etc. etc.).

20% rel. humidity is so low that it is very uncomfortable for humans, even unhealthy for some people. Are you really sure that's your in-house humidity? Outside/inside are often very different, due washed clothes drying, cooking, plants, respiration, and also humidity from the cellars in some buildings.

If yes, and if possible, I'd recommend an air humidifier to get that up to 40% or so. Depending on volume, a $60 unit should be able to do this, even if it will take three weeks until the humidity slowly approaches sensible levels.

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by astura on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:15AM (#20839406)
Refrigerated bread doesn't mold as fast, bit it gets stale faster.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by quadyeast on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:52AM (#20839760)
Yup, I would rather have slightly stale than moldy bread. And it does not get that stale that fast.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by notJim on Friday August 30, 2019 @12:09PM (#20839915)
It's weird, in my experience, bread almost never goes stale. It goes bad by going moldy. I wonder if the bread I eat (usually the industrially produced wheat bread) has higher moisture content than breads of yore.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by bryanlarsen on Friday August 30, 2019 @12:28PM (#20840093)
Are you keeping it in a plastic bag? That traps the moisture that lets it mold. A proper bread box is designed to let bread dry out slowly so it doesn't mold.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by phonypc on Friday August 30, 2019 @12:43PM (#20840197)
A lot of what's added to industrial bread is indeed to avoid staling. Doesn't have much to do with moisture.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by notJim on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:11PM (#20840475)
http://www.daveskillerbread.com/100-whole-wheat

> INGREDIENTS: Organic whole wheat (organic whole wheat flour, organic cracked wheat), water, organic dried cane syrup (sugar), organic expeller pressed canola oil, organic wheat gluten, organic molasses, organic cultured whole wheat, sea salt, yeast, organic vinegar.

Is it the vinegar?

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by phonypc on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:23PM (#20840571)
The extra gluten and the relatively large amount of sugar. That bread is also unusual for not including various enzymes and glycerides.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by ska on Friday August 30, 2019 @12:47PM (#20840239)
additives mostly explain it, I expect.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by soperj on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:12PM (#20840481)
Do you have it in a plastic bag?
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by stronglikedan on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:18AM (#20838819)
I can only get through a loaf every couple of weeks, so I keep a loaf in the freezer, and only slice off a couple slices at a time. Let them sit on a towel for 5 minutes, and they're as good as fresh without the need to toast them. Plus, it's easier to slice while frozen without smooshing it, and fresh sliced beats store sliced any day of the week.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by RussianCow on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:13AM (#20839391)
My wife and I do something similar, but we cut our loaves into quarters. That gives us maybe 3-4 slices of bread for each quarter loaf, which is generally plenty for a couple days—and if we need more (i.e. planning to make sandwiches or something), we'll just pull out two quarter loaves. I've found frozen bread to be a pain to cut, so we prefer this method.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by mistermann on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:21AM (#20838849)
You cut it while frozen?
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by phonypc on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:13AM (#20839384)
A sharp chef knife will do this pretty well, while unexpectedly a bread knife won't.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by hanniabu on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:48AM (#20839142)
He keeps a circular saw in his kitchen
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by ben509 on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:53AM (#20839178)
... that's not normal?
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by mbrock on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:10PM (#20840467)
This is why I do my cooking in the workshop so I can use the table saw. A crosscut sled with a stop block is hard to beat for cutting many toast slices to the same width. And of course there’s no better potato peeler than a lathe.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by logfromblammo on Friday August 30, 2019 @04:36PM (#20842453)
I have a coping saw labeled "FOOD USE ONLY".

It's mainly used to cut sashimi slices from a fillet without thawing the fish first. It goes in the fridge with bite-sized nigiri-sushi rice wads, and is defrosted by lunch time the next day.

It occasionally gets used to make really thin slices out of slightly stale bread.

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by jhbadger on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:07PM (#20840443)
I freeze pre-sliced bread (standard way supermarket bread is sold in US) and use it for toast. It works well.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by thatfrenchguy on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:52PM (#20840858)
> One of the best tips I learned about reducing food waste is to freeze bread and avoid putting it into the fridge. Frozen bread stays fresh and can go directly into a toaster or toaster oven:

As a french person, the idea that you would put bread in the fridge just horrifies me. But then most of the stuff labelled as bread in the US really isn't bread.

A bread machine will make both your bread a million times better, both taste and ingredients-that-are-inside wise.

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by antisthenes on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:57PM (#20840898)
The "good" expensive bread that is sold in the US at $5-6 a loaf never lasts more than a few days anyway - it's just too tasty and gets eaten quick

And the imitation "sandwich" bread that tastes like cardboard and sawdust easily lasts for 3+ weeks regardless of where and how it is stored. Which makes me marvel at what it's made of that it doesn't go bad in a month.

Bread machines are tricky and very messy. They don't produce enough heat to fully cook bread through like it would in a proper commercial oven. At least that was my experience with all the consumer-grade bread machines. YMMV

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by joshuahughes on Friday August 30, 2019 @02:24PM (#20841131)
I have a breadmaker and love it. Pop the ingredients in as you go to bed and come down in the morning to the smell of fresh, warm bread. The bucket is non-stick so really easy to pop out your loaf and clean up. You're right that some models are a poor experience though. If you ever fancy giving one a go again, I'd recommend one of Panasonic's (https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/home-appliances/breadm...) machines. I'd never use anything else.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by rdtwo on Friday August 30, 2019 @04:57PM (#20842656)
Once you get the bread bug you have to keep getting better and better bread till you just end up making home made sourdough
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by pkaye on Friday August 30, 2019 @04:02PM (#20842102)
How long does the French baguette last in France? Do you get them fresh daily and finish them off? Or is it just the baguette we get here dry out so quickly?
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by indemnity on Saturday August 31, 2019 @06:17AM (#20845520)
Not French, but moistening the baguette, putting it in foil and back in the oven for a couple of minutes gets it back to almost new state, and still nice and crusty.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by slothtrop on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:28AM (#20838933)
In addition to freezing, pickled and fermented foods will last a long while. Beyond that we just meal-prep what we know we need for the week. In the past we'd cook "a little extra" to be on the safe side but it goes to waste so often and frankly we'd rather spare Friday night for either a new cooked meal or takeout.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by novaRom on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:34AM (#20839001)
Why simply not to buy less, exactly as much as you will consume? Here at a bakery around corner I simply buy fresh bread every morning.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by electricviolet on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:56AM (#20839219)
You buy 2-3 slices of bread every morning? Or are you buying some kind of roll or smaller unit of bread? The smallest unit of bread most people are able to buy is a loaf, and for me, it takes a week or two to go through a loaf of bread.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by joshvm on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:14AM (#20839396)
This is pretty common in most of Europe (especially Spain and France). People will buy a (demi) baguette or equivalent every day and it'll get eaten. We're not talking about sliced bread.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by mamon on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:40AM (#20839636)
Which is easy to do in Europe, because you have a bakery on every corner, so it takes a 5 minutes walk to get fresh bread. In the US the nearest place selling bread might be 10 minutes car ride from home.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by eurg on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:30PM (#20840637)
Not in every place in the US you need a car, not in every place in Europe you have a bakery around the corner. We are talking half-continent sized areas with several hundred million people. There is quite a variance.

But more to the point, good quality bread has been more ingrained in the culture of several (but not all) European countries than in the US, and while the wheels are turning, it seems to take some time.

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by joshvm on Friday August 30, 2019 @06:00PM (#20843122)
More that the idea of eating a small loaf of bread, daily, is - as the sibling comment says - culturally ingrained in many European countries. It doesn't necessarily need to be a "real" bakery. Lots of people make do with supermarket bread.

But also bear in mind that in some places, eg rural France, it might well be a ten minute drive to the baker in the next village. People will still do it daily, or several times a week.

Also the case in the middle east and Asia, though it tends to be flat breads of various kinds. And in some places like India it's more common to just make it yourself.

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by SapporoChris on Friday August 30, 2019 @12:01PM (#20839833)
As little as two slices of bread may be bought in convenience stores in Japan. I have noticed it seems to go moldy much faster than American bread.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by pessimizer on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:48AM (#20839706)
If you don't buy bread a slice at a time, you spend a lot less time buying bread, time you can spend on other things.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by RussianCow on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:17AM (#20839427)
One reason is that you don't have a bakery around the corner. If it takes more than 10 minutes to buy something, I'm probably not going to do it every day or two.

Another is that you consume significantly less than even a small loaf of bread. I haven't been to a bakery that will sell you individual slices of bread, or even parts of a loaf. Maybe this is different in other countries (I live in the US).

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by hnal943 on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:54AM (#20839193)
Your baker sells you bread by the slice? Or do you consume a whole loaf of bread every day?
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by eurg on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:18AM (#20839442)
Well, actually, many do (edit: sell slices); that of course doesn't mean that I'd consider that a particularly convenient set-up.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by xyzzyz on Friday August 30, 2019 @01:38PM (#20840723)
Consuming whole loaf every day is not that strange if you have children.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by hnal943 on Friday August 30, 2019 @02:11PM (#20841039)
I have three kids, A loaf of bread will last us a week. I suppose it depends on your menu.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by NikolaeVarius on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:42AM (#20839081)
Maybe poster doesn't want to buy bread every morning or spend time getting it on demand when the system works just fine.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by ken on Friday August 30, 2019 @02:02PM (#20840958)
If you open a bakery around the corner from me, I might! Not everyone has that luxury.

It's also typically much more expensive to buy serving-sized anything.

Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by mruts on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:49AM (#20839719)
Because I have more money than time? I despise wasting my time doing stupid errands everyday, I rather buy a lot of food at one time and throw away most of it.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by geoka9 on Friday August 30, 2019 @12:16PM (#20839981)
I find that a lot of food can be frozen - bread is the first thing that comes to mind but also many that are added to dishes (milk, condiments) or reheated/cooked before consumption. Berries and fruit are also good at freezing.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by moate on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:34AM (#20839007)
If the godfather of modern food science says it, I'll believe it. I freeze lots of breads, but rarely wind up using them as bread. More often they get cut up for breadcrumbs or bread pudding or stuffing.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by rdtwo on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:31AM (#20838968)
My freezer is unfortunately never big enough for all the frozen food
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by whenchamenia on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:30AM (#20839555)
A deep freeze is suprisingly efficient.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by behringer on Friday August 30, 2019 @12:47PM (#20840238)
I find this hard to believe, because for the last 6 months I've been refrigerating deli style breads in their plastic and they last weeks instead of days.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by bytematic on Friday August 30, 2019 @10:27AM (#20838922)
You can freeze almost anything. Bread, butter, fruits/vegies
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by jpindar on Friday August 30, 2019 @12:48PM (#20840243)
Frozen fruit pieces are amazing, I swear they taste sweeter than than they did before freezing. Especially bananas and grapes. Could the freezing be converting starches to sugar?
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by glup on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:18AM (#20839443)
but not cheese
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by marxama on Friday August 30, 2019 @02:49PM (#20841413)
Depends on the cheese, and on the usage, really. My mom works at a cheese factory, so I regularly get more cheese than I know what to do with, so most of it ends up in the freezer. Non-aged cheese (not familiar with the English terminology, sorry) is absolutely no problem to freeze in my experience. Aged cheese, at least the ones I eat, crumbles completely after defrosting, absolutely impossible to slice - but I only use aged cheese for pizza and other stuff that goes into the oven, so the fact that it falls apart just by touching it is more of a feature for me - no need to grate it!
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by stevenwoo on Friday August 30, 2019 @03:12PM (#20841635)
It depends, I buy a large block of cheddar, cut off a weeks worth and freeze the rest. The frozen cheese of course does not retain the texture but is fine for meals calling for melted cheese. Cheddar usually comes in quantities that would mold if kept in a fridge until consumed for me, so it’s either waste excess by letting it mold or having meals with melted cheese for a few weeks.
Re:Much fridge food ‘goes there to die’ by analog31 on Friday August 30, 2019 @11:07AM (#20839329)
Likewise tortillas.