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Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by brayhite on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:10AM (#20593041)
I'm about 6 hours away from ending a 5 day fast. I can't confirm all of the benefits from the article (I'm neither a diabetic, spiritual person, nor suffering from cancer), but I can attest to the power of the final quote in the article: "'Anyone can reach his goals if he can think, if he can wait, if he can fast.'”

Two main takeaways I've gained from fasting (I've done multiple 24 hour fasts prior to this 5 day one):

1. You don't need to eat nearly as often as you think. Hunger pangs are usually just food cravings, and drinking lots and lots of water, water you should probably be drinking anyway, will mask them more easily than one would expect.

2. The successful self-deprivation of food (in a healthy, reasonable way) and the almost exclusively positive benefits that it brings makes you wonder how much of an economic and nationwide health impact the USA would see if everyone practiced some form of fasting.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by yojex on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:28AM (#20593205)
By the way, the phrase "if he can think, if he can wait, if he can fast" comes from the book Siddartha by Hermann Hesse[0] which is (roughly) about Buddhist philosophy.

[0] https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/431428.Siddhartha

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by ahallock on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:41AM (#20593844)
I really don't think you should be giving vague advice like this -- it could be dangerous for some people.

> drinking lots and lots of water

People who are sedentary and probably drinking more water than someone who finished a marathon does not sound like a good idea to me. I was drinking a ton of water throughout the day based on ideas like this and got sick from it. I feel much better now having cut my water intake. Could the converse also be true, that we're overestimating how much water we actually need?

> Hunger pangs are usually just food cravings

Are you sure? For me cravings and hunger pangs are entirely different feelings.

I don't doubt there are benefits to some forms of fasting, but people should consult their doctors first and tread carefully.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by nugget on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:49AM (#20593915)
Unless you have a specific health condition, do you really need to consult a physician before trying out an activity that humans have engaged in for thousands of years? Especially with all the information accessible online these days, plenty of it from experts in the field.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by throwaway_diet on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:57PM (#20594486)
>Especially with all the information accessible online these days, plenty of it from experts in the field.

How would information online from experts in the field helps someone determine their cellular hydration levels or their various levels/requirements of sodium/potassium/calcium/magnesium? These are things that should be monitored over a 5 day water fast not guessed at based on information read online.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by adrianN on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:23PM (#20594228)
You don't know whether you have a health condition if you don't consult a physician beforehand.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by vinceguidry on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:33PM (#20594310)
I don't know how we as a society came to accept physicians as the general arbiter of health, rather than as a mechanic that fixes us when we're broke, but a lot of why health care in this country is so expensive is due to that. Similarly, why education is so expensive is because we as a society have allowed the college degree to be the marker of who deserves opportunity or not.

Really sad.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by WalterSear on Friday August 02, 2019 @09:13PM (#20597988)
In part because we came to assume that commercial speech was anything but self-serving: in this case, being litigation protection rather than public health.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by CPLX on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:35PM (#20594327)
Typically, you also don’t know that after you consult a physician.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by kbutler on Friday August 02, 2019 @01:00PM (#20594516)
The risk of hyponatremia is pretty low - you'd need to sustain drinking over about a quart per hour, or much larger amounts in a short period of time. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318619.php It takes some sustained effort for most people to do that (and many bathroom breaks).

Drink when you're thirsty. Realize that often "wanting something to eat" can be a symptom of thirst or satisfied by getting a drink. Drink a full glass of water 15 minutes before eating. You'll be fine.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by kaolti on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:38PM (#20594341)
I think it's worth pointing out that even the most successful medicine can be dangerous for some people and so it's absolutely meaningless to bring it up.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by nyjah on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:47AM (#20593902)
I was drinking a ton of water throughout the day based on ideas like this and got sick from it

I get your point, but what was in your water? Did you just drink too much water once or this happened over a period of time?

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by ahallock on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:56AM (#20593977)
I was drinking Essentia 1.5 liter bottles throughout the day for a few months. I started noticing I didn't feel right after drinking it -- it was almost like a headache. I know this isn't scientific and there could have been another cause, but drastically cutting my intake removed the symptoms.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by boxy310 on Friday August 02, 2019 @01:13PM (#20594650)
Drinking multiple _liters_ of water in a relatively short time can cause water intoxication [1] due to the drop in relative electrolyte levels. I got it once at scout camp where, unfortunately, the medic misdiagnosed me with dehydration and had me drink a gallon of water. I ended up urinating about every ten minutes for the next 24 hours, and is one of the most unpleasant experiences I've gone through.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by throwaway_diet on Friday August 02, 2019 @01:00PM (#20594515)
It sounds like potentially your water/electrolyte balance was more the issue than simply saying you over consumed water. As the water consumption increases your intake of sodium, magnesium, potassium and calcium should have been equally increased. Did you do that? Did you have a blood panel done to see if you were deficient in any vitamins/minerals?
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by schoen on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:38PM (#20594342)
The easiest medical problem to get from drinking far too much water is hyponatremia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

I'm sure you don't have any reason to try this again, but this condition could be confirmed by a blood test.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by tempguy9999 on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:34PM (#20594322)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

Drinking too much water is dangerous. People have died from hyponatremaia. The original poster should not be spouting general advice unless he knows his stuff, which I doubt.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by tempguy9999 on Friday August 02, 2019 @01:17PM (#20594714)
I'm normally not going to fuss over petty downvotes but as hyponatremia can kill, perhaps you can hold off this time?
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by agumonkey on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:10AM (#20593551)
I'd like to add something to 1). Often a food desire is really just boredom/anxiety speaking. As if your brain decided it needed to feel good, and right now food was the closest thing to fulfill the goal. When I force myself to do something else, I feel .. let's say a bit manic, but I can often work on other things deeply, and the hunger vanishes rapidly.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by JabavuAdams on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:29AM (#20593746)
I can relate to this. I definitely eat when I'm bored or annoyed.

I've found it useful to distinguish between "mouth hunger" and "stomach hunger". When I'm actually hungry, I feel sensations in my stomach, and will often burp or feel like I'm about to reflux.

The "mouth hunger" is when I think of a croissant and start salivating, even though I wasn't hungry a moment ago. Or that store checkout-line "hunger" when you see all the tempting treats they've put there. So, not hunger at all, but craving.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by agumonkey on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:31AM (#20593771)
Yes true hunger feels different. You also aim at different things, less about taste but more about actual nutrients. Even as a kid I never drank 2L of sodas when I was deep into soccer or running. It was straight to water.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by HankB99 on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:15PM (#20594175)
Similar experience here, perhaps. Wife and I run and our training involves running in the morning before work. I've done a couple runs, up to ten miles, before breakfast and not eaten afterwards until lunch (typically 1100-1200.) I was surprised that following the runs, I was not starving. It really was no effort to not eat. On the ten mile runs, I put a sports drink in my water bottle which includes carbs as well as electrolytes, so I suppose that's not really fasting. Pre and post run I do drink water and black coffee.

And then there are mornings like today where I ran 10 miles and then had 2 eggs, 2 strips of extra thick bacon, two buckwheat pancakes (with butter and syrup)and a piece of rye toast with marmalade. Definitely not fasting!

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by mark_l_watson on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:43PM (#20594376)
Similar to my experience. I live in the mountains and if I go on a strenuous hike first thing in the morning then it takes a while until I get my appetite back. This applies any time of the day: following a strenuous hike, I am just not hungry for an hour or two.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by agumonkey on Friday August 02, 2019 @02:46PM (#20595512)
is it hard on your bones and joints ? I wondered if hikes in the hills would be too tough 24/7
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by agumonkey on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:39PM (#20594358)
I cannot prove anything but it feels that modern lifestyle was seriously absurd. It was just comfort pushed to eleven. Since I took jogging back, I can also go 5 km or even 10 km by foot with ease. It's "worse" than that, I actually crave doing so. It's more pleasure than effort. Mind and body. Maybe that's just me...

Industrial revolutions required us to specialize and not spend time walking or working hard physically, but now that we're so comfy we're somehow deprived.

ps: I'd say it's super healthy to get some big big meals at times just because you enjoy it so much. Life's not just about being on a tight rope.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by DyslexicAtheist on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:22AM (#20593671)
I do intermittent fasting since a couple of months, initially started with 16:8 and then moved to 18:6 after the first 4 weeks.

It took around 3-4 weeks until I noticed results which seems in line what I was told by others.

What stood out beside the weight loss (I was very close to my ideal weight anyway) was my ability to concentrate. I noticed a huge improvement after around 5-6 weeks. When I try to come up with the right words in a conversation it feels I have immediately in mind what I want to say.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by heyoni on Friday August 02, 2019 @01:09PM (#20594608)
I will verify this claim by going through your post history and report back here! (j/k)
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by DyslexicAtheist on Friday August 02, 2019 @02:23PM (#20595314)
:D
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by agent008t on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:00AM (#20593470)
I struggle to gain weight (always have), and fasting sounds incredibly easy to me - all you have to do is not do something. On the other hand, eating to gain weight if you have no/little appetite is hard work - you actually have to take the time to do it.

Is there a relatively easy way to boost one's appetite? Drinking a gallon of full fat milk a day on top of one's usual meals is the easiest option I have found, but even that is a lot of hard work.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by JabavuAdams on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:32AM (#20593778)
Wow, that's almost incomprehensibly different from my own experience. I do like two push ups and notice myself bulking up. But it's so hard to not eat when I'm bored/have cravings. There's a whole suite of self-delusional and deceptive behaviour around eating, for me.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by lhl on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:54PM (#20594461)
To increase appetite you’ll want to increase your hunger hormones (ghrelin in particular), and minimize your satiety hormones (leptin, cck, peptide yy etc).

Sugar has the least satiety of any of the macros (protein has the highest satiety) so if you’re looking to simply pack in calories, sugar sweetened beverages are good (I saw an interesting study that discovered that carbonation increases ghrelin response, so most soda will give you a twofer).

Something like a donut (sugar and fat in combination has been shown to be particularly obesogenic) and you can get some of the hyperpalatability effect.

Kevin Hall recently published a study showing ultra-processed food increased ad libitum food intake by about 500 calories per day: https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/pdf/S1550-4131(19)30248...

Also eating/snacking throughout the day will keep insulin high and increase hunger signals and driver fat storage in your body as a result.

Of course, this basically sums up the Standard American Diet and explains why most people have the problem of putting too much weight on.

Also, as a caveat to all these “interventions,” while they are effective for weight gain, they are almost all also generally terrible for your metabolic health, and will drive MetS, diabetes, CVD, cancer, etc (basically the things killing everyone eating the SAD).

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by gambiting on Saturday August 03, 2019 @06:14AM (#20599612)
Yeah, recently due to an illness I lost all of my appetite. Initially, it was actually quote amusing - I went from being casually hungry and snacking every now and then to just.....not needing food. Like, I could have a piece of toast and then not eat anything for the rest of the day and I would feel absolutely fine. After few weeks though I lost a lot of weight and it went from being amusing to being a major pain in the ass, because actually forcing yourself to eat when you're not hungry is extremely difficult. It's not that I have any physical difficulty with eating, it's just that I would have a couple bites and I feel my body telling me "you're full, you don't need more", and I know that's a lie and I have to eat to actually get better. I'm a lot better than when it first started, but yeah, the first two-three weeks were just amusing with how little food we can actually consume and how little effect it had on my daily life.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by matwood on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:29AM (#20593744)
When I wanted to gain weight from lifting I had to set alarms on when to eat. I was never hungry. The gallon of milk each day is a good one. I kept peanut butter at my desk and would eat it whenever my alarm went off. I would eat an early dinner, and then eat again right before bed. It is work if you're not used to eating that much.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by vonmoltke on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:08AM (#20593535)
> Drinking a gallon of full fat milk a day on top of one's usual meals is the easiest option I have found

That's actually part of Mark Rippetoe's bulking diet. It's apparently the best combination of calorie density and beneficial nutrients. There's a section on diet on Starting Strength, if you are interested.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by dondawest on Saturday August 03, 2019 @07:54AM (#20599976)
Never thought I’d see the day when Dr. Fraud Rippetoe gets recommended on HN. That guy is overweight and out of shape and his lifting advice injures 99%+ of people who take it. Tread lightly when following the incredibly stupid teachings of Mark Rippetoe, man.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by zadkey on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:35AM (#20593813)
Yes, milk and cheeses are appetite enhancers. So is cumin.

Believe it or not, for me, low appetite is often goes hand in hand with not getting enough salt. I have found that I can fix low appetite by getting more salt.

I don't know the exact mechanism, but I suspect the Chloride part of Sodium Chloride contributes to the Chloride part of Hydrochloric acid in my stomach.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by RobertRoberts on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:07AM (#20593532)
I read a book years ago on fasting, and the author discussed people who couldn't gain weight sometimes had issues with their intestines, that after fasting recovered from. And then were able to gain weight more easily. I got the impression it was not just one day of fasting though.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by noir_lord on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:09AM (#20593540)
I'm struggling like hell to eat enough to keep weight on at the moment, I've stomach issues though so that's the root cause.

I've had to resort to body builders weight gainer which is mostly sugar, protein and dairy as I seem to be able to tolerate that OK.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by magashna on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:08AM (#20593537)
rather than full fat milk go deeper into the crevasse, melted ice cream
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by RobertRoberts on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:10AM (#20593557)
> The successful self-deprivation of food (in a healthy, reasonable way)

I would argue that perhaps you aren't "depriving" yourself but more like adjusting your intake to meet your actual needs.

In other words, most of us overeat, and it just feels like deprivation when we eat less. (until we get accustomed to it)

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by sp332 on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:33AM (#20593787)
Hunger pangs are caused by a hormone called Ghrelin. It's more of a reminder to eat than an actual signal that you need more food. But it makes you feel like you're starving.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by lhl on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:35PM (#20594326)
Ghrelin is also entrained and pulsatile - you get hungry when you’re used to eating, and then the signal goes away whether you’ve eaten or not (until your next meal time).

It also decreases in severity over time, which is why anyone who hasn’t ever done any extended fasting imagines that you’ll get hungrier and hungrier until you’re gnawing your hands off, but anyone who has usually has the opposite experience.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by donkeyd on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:39AM (#20593305)
> drinking lots and lots of water, water you should probably be drinking anyway, will mask them more easily than one would expect.

I've recently started intermittent fasting (22:00 - 12:00, still cheat too often, but it's a start) and I've noticed this too. Two cups of coffee and a couple of glasses of water really keeps me alright until lunch. That's when I really start feeling hungry.

I wasn't afraid to start IF either, because I often used to skip breakfast because I couldn't get out of bed on time.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by colinmhayes on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:48AM (#20593388)
Is it not normal to not eat between 10pm and noon? I'm not sure it counts as fasting if you are eating on the normal schedule.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by donkeyd on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:53AM (#20593429)
It's a 14 hour fast, as was mentioned in the article. Most people i know eat breakfast when they go to work, between 6 and 8am and people often tend to snack late at night. There's even the saying that 'breakfast is the most important meal of the day', so yeah I'd say that not eating until noon is not normal.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by ThePirateofOz on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:34PM (#20594318)
The whole breakfast being the most important meal of the day, was merely a marketing stunt by Grape Nuts.

https://priceonomics.com/how-breakfast-became-a-thing/

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by lhl on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:59PM (#20594509)
The history of breakfast cereal preceding that is even more bizarre, being driven largely by John Kellogg’s desire to stamp out masturbation. Also by the Pricenomics guys: https://www.forbes.com/sites/priceonomics/2016/05/17/the-sur...
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by Retra on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:05AM (#20593506)
"An apple a day keeps the doctor away" is a saying too, but it doesn't mean people are eating apples regularly. If anything, it means people are not doing it as much as someone thinks they should. It could easily be the case that we have such a saying because people don't regularly eat breakfast.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by wysifnwyg on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:12AM (#20593575)
An apple a day keeps the doctor away only works if you've got good aim.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by reallydude on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:00PM (#20594024)
I haven't eaten before noon regularly, since I was 10, nor does my wife. I'm not unique among my friends, each who are thin and eat 2 meals a day (sometimes snacks). I'm over 40. My mom, who is losing weight, eats exactly twice a day at 10a and 10p with a snack for lunch. I don't know a person who eats a regular measurable breakfast at work, excepting the occasional company bagels and morning coffees (we don't drink coffee either). I never questioned the normalcy of it, since I know so many others who have the same pattern shrug
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by Someone1234 on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:56AM (#20593448)
Or your normal schedule involves a fasting period.

This comes back to the whole "is breakfast the most important meal of the day or damaging our health?" question. A lot of people who skip breakfast are still consuming calories anyway (e.g. that morning coffee with cream/sugar in it).

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by prostoalex on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:11PM (#20594138)
If eat == any caloric intake beyond negligible, then yeah, it's abnormal, in American culture at least.

A lot of people who think they don't eat until late are ignoring calorie-loaded and frequently sugar-loaded lattes, cappuccinos or juices that fill them up with calories in liquid format.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by WaltPurvis on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:51AM (#20593939)
No, it is not normal. A large majority of people eat before 9 a.m. on most days.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by pbhjpbhj on Saturday August 03, 2019 @01:10PM (#20601453)
I'd be interested in a citation to show how large a majority.

I'm one of those "haven't eaten breakfast since I was a kid" types (I have a coffee with semi-skimmed milk, if I eat breakfast I'm ravenous and want a snack before lunch).

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by matwood on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:27AM (#20593712)
It counts as fasting and is one of the easiest ways to start doing IF.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by JabavuAdams on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:30AM (#20593762)
How much milk and/or sugar do you put in your coffee. Not doubting, just reminding that this can be a significant source of calories.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by ablation on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:34AM (#20593804)
If you're truly doing IF, you shouldn't add either to your coffee.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by MegaDeKay on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:55AM (#20593968)
Martin Berkhan, the guy that popularized the 16:8 "Leangains" approach puts milk in his coffee. From [0], "So, it’s a question of a dose-response effect. Can you have some milk in your coffee? Sure, I wouldn’t worry about it and I have it myself. Life would just be too damn boring with only black coffee, especially if you’re used to having some milk with it. How much milk/cream? I would put the limit at 50 kcal total used throughout the fast. That’s about 1 deciliter or 1/2 cup 2% milk."

https://leangains.com/questions-answers-5/

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by donkeyd on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:49AM (#20593913)
None. I drink a cappuccino after lunch.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by wtdata on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:55AM (#20593965)
Capuccino has milk in it.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by donkeyd on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:06PM (#20594096)
Yes, that's why I wrote that drink it after lunch, when I've already had calories and therefore am no longer in the fasting period.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by kelvie on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:07PM (#20594109)
I'm sure they're aware. After lunch is when the fast breaks, so they are free to put whatever they like in their coffee.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by virtuexru on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:48AM (#20593912)
From what I've been told you shouldn't have anything other than water during fasting (for IF). That includes coffee & tea.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by donkeyd on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:51AM (#20593937)
I read up on this before starting and one or two cups shouldn't matter if there's nothing added to it. Also, the size of the coffee matters slightly, but here in NL we get small cups, not Starbucks size.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by chabes on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:04PM (#20594073)
Some herbal tea is fine, and even recommended for certain kinds of fasting
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by sjg007 on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:33AM (#20593257)
There was that really obese guy who fasted for 6 months or so under medical supervision so it's clearly something that some people can do.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by javiramos on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:38AM (#20593302)
This [0] classic study where a guy fasted for 382 days. He only took multi-vitamins during this period. His weight decreased from 456 to 180 lbs (0.72 lbs/day). [0] https://pmj.bmj.com/content/postgradmedj/49/569/203.full.pdf
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by targonca on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:59AM (#20593466)
That's very dangerous due to potentially deadly refeeding syndrome on breaking the fast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refeeding_syndrome
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by grzm on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:06AM (#20593518)
> "under medical supervision"
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by Someone1234 on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:05AM (#20593508)
Indeed. That's just one of several dangers.

People seem to effectively conduct 7-10 day fasts regularly, but beyond that you should talk to a doctor/registered dietician and also take nutritional supplements (and exit the fast in a very gradual way, not feasting).

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by deshpand on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:50PM (#20594421)
Another related point is to increase eating raw/uncooked food. I'm noticing how much less I eat as I decrease cooked food portions. It may be easier or better than outright fasting.

Of course, I am only referring to certain veggies or soaking things like peas/beans/lentils in water overnight (instead of cooking). Please don't eat raw meat or anything after you see my message!

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by dondawest on Saturday August 03, 2019 @07:59AM (#20600002)
The way you phrased it — “outright fasting” — makes it seem as if eating uncooked food is a form of fasting. To be clear: it isnt. Decreasing the amount of cooked food you eat provides NONE of the health benefits that fasting provides. Eating less cooked food is not a form of fasting, and your phrasing is hilariously laughable.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by burlesona on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:11AM (#20593565)
Do you have any recommended reading on how to do this “correctly?” I get it that you just don’t eat, but I’m wondering how you should resume eating at the end, and about vitamins / minerals, etc. during the fast. What’s recommended?
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by bart_spoon on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:36AM (#20593816)
I'm not sure there is a "correct" way to do it. There's lots of variations that work differently for different people. But even at its simplest (fasting 16 hours, eating for 8) doesn't really require a ton of extra planning. The point is that during the 8 hours, you fill up about as quickly as you do when you don't fast, so you don't really end up consuming more. What does change is you remove the snacking/overeating that occurs throughout the rest of the day. So even if someone eats the way they normally would during their 8 hour period of non-fasting, many people will see benefits.

Obviously there's lots of other additional dietary steps one can take, but most of them don't actually differ much from traditional healthy eating advice: limit carbs and sugar, balanced meals, don't drink your calories, etc.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by ignorantguy on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:24AM (#20593698)
Checkout A Complete Guide to Fasting by Dr. Jason Fung
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by prostoalex on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:17PM (#20594185)
This is a bit verbose https://link.medium.com/WKzY5QxeSW but has good general guidelines. It's easier to proceed gradually rather than going into it cold turkey.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by rasengan0 on Friday August 02, 2019 @12:05PM (#20594088)
3 years ago

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https://youtu.be/ocioTKVidQc

Watch, learn, try

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Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by tdb7893 on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:40AM (#20593314)
I have a lot of trouble trying to gain weight. How easy is it too actually eat enough calories fasting that much?
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by rsync on Friday August 02, 2019 @04:02PM (#20596116)
"I have a lot of trouble trying to gain weight. How easy is it too actually eat enough calories fasting that much?"

Although I do not wish to gain weight, I do have trouble maintaining a set weight that I would like to live (and compete) at.[1]

And yet, I am on a 16/8 or even 18/6 fasting schedule about four days per week.

The answer, for me, is almond butter. Tremendously dense in calories and very easy to add 1/3 cup (or more) to a meal replacement shake. It's one of the easiest ways I have found to have a 1500 calorie meal that doesn't involve a tremendous bulk of food. Avocados are another food that fits this same bill.

[1] I am a "lightweight", or 168 pound, fighter as per IBJJF.

Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by magic_beans on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:53AM (#20593424)
You're probably not a great candidate for fasting. Not every modality works for every person.
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by ValentineC on Friday August 02, 2019 @10:42AM (#20593337)
Did you drink "snake juice" to replenish your electrolytes?
Re:The Fasting Cure Is No Fad by close04 on Friday August 02, 2019 @11:22AM (#20593672)
I was forced by circumstances to have several of these fasting periods in my life, the longest being ~100 days. During this time I consumed no solid food or food supplements (like vitamins). I replaced that with clear vegetable soups (meaning only the water from boiling the vegetables) and sweetened tea. Very little actual water now that I think of it.

Very quickly after starting it just sort of became normal, the hunger pangs were gone, there were no particularly strong cravings even when sitting at the table with people eating normal food. Surprisingly many times I even felt more energetic but this may have been purely a subjective feeling.