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Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by nyx on Sunday July 21, 2019 @03:10PM (#20493088)
I didn't realize The Wayback Machine had so much YouTube content from the early days. Really interesting going back and seeing what was on the front page on some random day in 2006.

Looking at what people were uploading and what people were watching leaves me feeling a bit wistful. It seems like it was a more authentic place before the money caught up with it.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by lkrubner on Sunday July 21, 2019 @05:39PM (#20493835)
Everything on the Internet was much better before advertisers were willing to spend real money on the Internet. Once the advertisers began to take the Internet seriously, and companies committed to an advertising model, everything went to hell.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by endgame on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:51AM (#20496551)
Advertising ruins literally every communication medium:

Your mailbox? Likely stuffed with junk.

Your inbox? Likely stuffed with junk, or if it's not, make sure to check your spambox in case someone real is trying to contact you.

Your phone? Nobody answers calls because they're mostly telemarketers.

SMS? Yeah that's spammed to hell too.

Walls? Covered in billboards, in a tacky Red Queen race that nobody actually wins.

Public space? Nobody talks to each other in part because people who appear friendly are often trying to sell you something.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by hombre_fatal on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:36AM (#20496740)
And the massive societal cost of everyone expecting everything for free even though they were paying all along or being subsidized by suckers.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by echelon on Sunday July 21, 2019 @05:53PM (#20493900)
It was also better before the influencers, celebrities, and (frankly) less educated joined. There's too much content now, and it's mostly low value. Deep, rich content and communities have evaporated save for a few vestiges such as HN. Even this lacks the camaraderie of the forums and news groups of the past.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by runeblaze on Sunday July 21, 2019 @11:55PM (#20495242)
I really would not call HN deep. It is just another public discussion site focused on programming. There are much more niche and focused places with higher quality, but they are, well, niche.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by fao_ on Monday July 22, 2019 @11:32AM (#20498958)
It isn't even focused on programming, but "growth" and "startups". It lost the programming focus a while before PG left.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by kjeetgill on Monday July 22, 2019 @02:18AM (#20495701)
I'd love to hear of a few. I always want to get into lobste.rs but while the submission quality is high the conversation is sparse.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by pbhjpbhj on Monday July 22, 2019 @03:58AM (#20496079)
Some subreddits can be good, /r/askhistorians /r/askscience .. but I too am curious if they don't rate HN as being relatively deep what they do rate in that category.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by utf985 on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:57AM (#20496842)
Subreddits are what's considered niche and high quality these days? That's... disheartening to say the least.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by hxegon on Monday July 22, 2019 @11:20AM (#20498827)
Please point out something legitimately wrong with those subreddits instead of just implying they're shitty by association with reddit. There are hard working people contributing great stuff and it just bothers me when people say stuff like this without pointing anything specific out. Just because there are terrible subreddits doesn't mean that all subreddits are terrible :(
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by reymus on Monday July 22, 2019 @12:03PM (#20499321)
If someone recommends me a subreddit, I would check it out. Reddit is not inherently bad. However, you have to understand a lot of us have a negative perception of subreddits, given how many jerks, trolls and bullies participate in them. Even in the good ones there's so much negativity and discourtesy. It's so sad, I personally am afraid to participate most of the time because I admittedly have very thin skin and those kinds of interactions can ruin my day.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by pbhjpbhj on Monday July 22, 2019 @02:12PM (#20500620)
AskHistorians is far more anal than HN with regard to maintaining serious discussion; maybe not quite so rule-bound as StackExchange ("delete this question with five answers and 100 upvotes it's off-topic") but strict about being a sourced, on topic, no memes or humour -type of place.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by DanBC on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:52AM (#20496559)
Tildes is small but nice.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by fao_ on Monday July 22, 2019 @11:31AM (#20498946)
Something Awful is genuinely good these days. There's strong discussion, a lack of insults/whining, and there are a lot of minorities and leftists posting. It's like the forum equivalent of skimmed milk, where the fat in the milk are the analogous "toxic people".

Tildes is a nice place as well.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by elamje on Sunday July 21, 2019 @07:01PM (#20494228)
Genuine question: what are some other communities on the internet that have a quality level similar to HN? I have really enjoyed this site and want to find one or two others.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by vatys on Monday July 22, 2019 @03:06AM (#20495871)
https://www.metafilter.com

"Best of the Web" since 1999

A broad set of interests are represented there, not just programming or technology focused. The submission quality is high, and it is well moderated.

MetaFilter has always had a pretty strong community. The addition of a $5 membership fee, similar to SomethingAwful, seems to have helped filter out the riff raff.

There's also an "ask" section, and ones for projects and music. Overall, it's a good community for general discussion of things happening on and offline.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by shiftpgdn on Sunday July 21, 2019 @07:34PM (#20494377)
As crazy as it is, the somethingawful forums have remained relatively good (give or take) over the last 20 years. I semi-chalk it up to the fact that the average age of the forum users is around 30-35 years old.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by enraged_camel on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:02PM (#20494494)
The main thing that has kept SA high quality is the $10 registration fee. It sounds like a small amount but I get the impression that it filters out the vast majority of shitty trolls. On top of that, if your account gets banned then you have to pay the $10 fee again, so if you’re a repeat offender then it gets expensive fast.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by CriticalCathed on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:57PM (#20494682)
I really don't think SA after around 2010-12 and before that period are the same. Vastly different communities inhabiting the same body. I was on site in 2003 and I despise what its become.

As always, hope u got 10bux...

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by unixhero on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:00PM (#20494482)
The What.CD forums were stellar. Oh well.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by arpa on Monday July 22, 2019 @01:48AM (#20495596)
Loss of what.cd was somewhat like burning of alexandria library. So much lost, never to be recovered...
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by mongol on Monday July 22, 2019 @03:29AM (#20495946)
What could you find there?
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by r3bl on Monday July 22, 2019 @04:16AM (#20496155)
It was an invite-only torrent tracker. What set it apart was its size. Any song you could think of, in any format you could think of. You could find lossless music that there's 0 chance that you could find anywhere else (legally or not).
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by unixhero on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:43AM (#20496521)
Artists launched their own albums there first and became famous, the so called "Vanity house". An example of an artist that got big is "The Flashbulb".
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by arpa on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:39AM (#20496495)
What sibling comments said, also, great community, great recommendations, relationship graphs between artists/styles, very neat and tidy metadata (accurate tags, releases with serial numbers, etc).
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by nitrogen on Monday July 22, 2019 @03:54AM (#20496058)
It was approaching all music in all formats, ever.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by unixhero on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:44AM (#20496525)
Formats yes, but more importantly for music fans and audiophiles, all mediums!
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by Semaphor on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:25AM (#20496436)
And before that, Oink's Pink Palace (what.cd and waffles.fm were created to fill the void Oink left)
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by throwaway9d0291 on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:37AM (#20496481)
First one that comes to mind is this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by darkkindness on Sunday July 21, 2019 @07:11PM (#20494276)
https://lobste.rs/ is a very similar community to HN. The catch is that registration is invite-only.

By the way, if a lobsters user is reading this, I would love an invite :)

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by jml7c5 on Sunday July 21, 2019 @10:22PM (#20494965)
To be frank, lobste.rs seems like the same content as Hacker News + /r/programming, but with fewer people commenting.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by nickpsecurity on Sunday July 21, 2019 @11:50PM (#20495223)
It's more focused on actual tech. It's also gotten more like those sites since people have invited more people from those sites that I can tell. It's definitely changed a bit over past few years.

One of its continued strengths is the number of useful or deep articles in tech combined with a high number of people in the community that write them. The audience is pretty passive. We have some people who steadily have good insights and submissions on specific topics. Then, there are some that show up out of nowhere with whopper comments you won't find in other places. They avoid high-traffic/noise sites like HN. So, you only see them on places like that. So, I read both the orange and red sites. :)

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by muppetman on Sunday July 21, 2019 @07:59PM (#20494479)
Edit: I will not be replying to anymore requests. Sorry!

(was: Provide me with a way to contact you and I will.)

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by kzzzznot on Monday July 22, 2019 @03:27AM (#20495939)
If you’re willing to open it back up I’d appreciate an invite :)

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Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by tiniuclx on Monday July 22, 2019 @04:10AM (#20496132)
Check your inbox :)
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by kzzzznot on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:07AM (#20496357)
Thanks!!
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by elamje on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:31PM (#20494795)
Hey muppetman, I would appreciate an invite too. twitter dm @elamje
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by muppetman on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:45PM (#20494848)
DM sent.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by MegaButts on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:40PM (#20494632)
Sorry to pile on here, but I would also appreciate an invite.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by muppetman on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:44PM (#20494841)
Done
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by Charlie_26 on Monday July 22, 2019 @02:11PM (#20500609)
Would you mind inviting me? cfin @ secure email based in Switzerland dot com
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by MegaButts on Sunday July 21, 2019 @11:51PM (#20495228)
Thank you!
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by halcar on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:21PM (#20494568)
Hi, could I get an invite too? [email protected]
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by muppetman on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:26PM (#20494585)
Sorry, I am not inviting an account that's 10 minutes old with no HN comment history. Hope you understand.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by elboru on Monday July 22, 2019 @01:57AM (#20495630)
I’ll appreciate one too, elboru at hotmail.com
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by pgl on Monday July 22, 2019 @10:40AM (#20498387)
Done.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by laszlokorte on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:42PM (#20494643)
I would be interested in an invite as well.

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Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by muppetman on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:43PM (#20494839)
Done
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by darkkindness on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:10PM (#20494536)
oh my, sure! [email removed]
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by muppetman on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:20PM (#20494566)
Done.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by darkkindness on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:26PM (#20494587)
Cheers!
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by mabcat on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:17PM (#20494749)
Can I pile on too? Cheers!
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by muppetman on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:45PM (#20494843)
Done
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by mabcat on Monday July 22, 2019 @12:50AM (#20495403)
Many thanks!
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by dv35z on Monday July 22, 2019 @10:47AM (#20498462)
I'd appreciate an invite if anyone is willing to share out (and is still reading this thread). Thank you!
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by thedevelopnik on Friday July 26, 2019 @10:43AM (#20535152)
I would also love an invite from some awesome person :).
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by vs4vijay on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:24AM (#20496700)
Hey, Could you invite me? email is my username at google's mailing service.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by pgl on Monday July 22, 2019 @10:40AM (#20498392)
Done.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by amelius on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:38AM (#20497014)
Are cross-posts happening between the two?
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by qwsxyh on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:48PM (#20494859)
YouTube comments.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by clydethefrog on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:03PM (#20494699)
Tildes, Metafilter.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by spookthesunset on Monday July 22, 2019 @05:15PM (#20502395)
What are you talking about? The content on YouTube has never been better. There is so much good stuff on youtube these days that it can easily give traditional media a run for their money.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by iamverysmart on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:40AM (#20496759)
"Hello i'm very smart and i think that not everyone should have access to the internet".
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by echelon on Monday July 22, 2019 @09:33AM (#20497817)
You're not wrong. Just as I ignore certain people in my day to day life, I also want to filter them out of my Internet experience.

signal: noise is a thing.

And while we're at it, I also want to get rid of the advertising that came chasing after these people.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by paulcole on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:57PM (#20494683)
Don’t worry, I’m quite uneducated and doing what I can to bring this place down to my level. Check my comment history if you don’t believe me!
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by hackerbrother on Sunday July 21, 2019 @11:16PM (#20495117)
Wow this is really something. You realize that, for example, Puerto Rico has mass protests going on, which are helped to organize with social media? To cite one example.

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/national/puerto-rico-has-tur...

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by amiller2571 on Monday July 22, 2019 @02:47AM (#20495811)
I would agree that advertisement has done a lot of damage. However, there have been a lot of really awesome things that could not have happened without it. Like YouTubers for example, so many people are able to make a living making content they love and people love to watch. I say that as many of them are now having to turn to things like patreon because advertisement is now hurting them...
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by simonh on Monday July 22, 2019 @03:58AM (#20496082)
To be fair, a lot of the good things on the early Internet were funded on the basis they would eventually find a way to make money. They simply were not sustainable in the absence of a revenue stream, and Advertising turned out to be the answer.

We can't pretend that Google, Youtube, etc could have continued indefinitely in their original forms without ever having to become profitable, or having to make any compromises.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by brianberns on Monday July 22, 2019 @01:06AM (#20495447)
It's just part of the Eternal September.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by marssaxman on Sunday July 21, 2019 @03:29PM (#20493174)
It seems like it was a more authentic place before the money caught up with it.

Isn't that the way it always goes? I wish there were some way of permanently locking Wall Street out of the picture so we could actually have some nice things.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by CM30 on Sunday July 21, 2019 @03:45PM (#20493260)
Unfortunately, it seems the only way to have a field where Wall Street/commercial entities aren't involved is to have one where it's illegal to make money off said field. For instance, game mods/fan works tend to be a lot like web development or content creation from the early days of the internet, since it's literally illegal to run a business that creates and sells them. One of the reasons I follow the progress of said scenes a lot, because they're some of the few communities I know of where wealth isn't really an advantage.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by chasontherobot on Sunday July 21, 2019 @11:25PM (#20495152)
So, a few really cool things but 95% weird porn?
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by simion314 on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:21AM (#20496932)
I think your number is too big, home many nude mods can be for a game? If you mean some revealing armor/clothing then that is not porn not even "adult".

There will always be a large number of lower effort mods, it is easy to retexture or cut parts of existing armors then building new ones from scratch.

The main issue I see with some modding communities is the big egos of some people that leads to terms of use like "don't share this, this mod should not be shared on as different website" , it will make it kind of illegal then when the specified website will no longer exists to archive and move the mods or to create mod packs.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by CM30 on Monday July 22, 2019 @02:25PM (#20500758)
Nah, more like the other way around.

But obviously it depends on what games you're interested in seeing mods and fan projects of. The vast majority of the Mario/Zelda/Sonic/Metroid/Mega Man fan game and game mod/hack scene is basically entirely new games built on the original series' engine.

Some of the stuff you see there is crazy, arguably on par with many of the more well funded open source software found online. Like that project which adds online multiplayer to Super Mario 64, the mods which add MP3 music to SNES games, a Metroid mod which remade Metroid Fusion in Super Metroid with all the original content and an even smarter version of the SA-X hunting you down. Or perhaps Wiimmfi, which basically replaced all of Nintendo's online services for the DS and Wii, then significantly expanded on them with extra features and modes.

It's kind of insane how technically advanced much of this stuff can be, given it's all made by hobbyists in their free time with no hope of ever getting paid.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by waterhouse on Monday July 22, 2019 @12:53AM (#20495412)
I'm mostly familiar with EV Nova and KOTOR mods, which are posted to websites that probably filter for obscenity. EV Nova doesn't really have pictures of people; but KOTOR definitely has plenty of appearance-focused mods (including one described as "More sexy underwear for females"), and on some other games I have heard of mods that fall into the "weird porn" category.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by komali2 on Sunday July 21, 2019 @03:47PM (#20493271)
That's the non-profit, free software world. It exists, gnu.org compiles a lot of free software if you're interested, or there's other organizations that compile stuff like free blueprints for farm equipment, free music, sprites, etc.

It's out there, but a lot of people generally consider the free/libre stuff "lower quality," which is often a fair accusation.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by marssaxman on Sunday July 21, 2019 @05:03PM (#20493649)
Oh, yes! - I use free software almost exclusively. It may not always be as polished as the commercial competition, but it feels better to be part of a sharing community. I feel especially fortunate that my current job allows me to make a good living developing free software.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by a1369209993 on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:51PM (#20494666)
> That's the non-profit, free software world.

And then Red Hat[0] happened, and it all went to hell, like everything else Wall Street touches.

0: et many al, but they're the most visible culprits due to things like wayland and systemd.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by spinach on Sunday July 21, 2019 @06:56PM (#20494196)
Seems a bit ironic to say that on a site of a company that helps fund a lot of tech start-ups. Start-ups whose end goal seems to be getting ridiculously rich and doing an IPO.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by charliesome on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:56PM (#20494884)
This feels a bit like the "if you don't like capitalism why do you use an iPhone?" argument.

The reality is that Hacker News is a generally high quality technical forum and that's the reason a lot of people are here.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by pbhjpbhj on Monday July 22, 2019 @04:00AM (#20496088)
>This feels a bit like the "if you don't like capitalism why do you use an iPhone?" argument. //

That's a pretty good question though?

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by skybrian on Sunday July 21, 2019 @03:53PM (#20493299)
Best case is you get something like Craigslist, but more likely they would have gone out of business by now (shut down for piracy) and we wouldn't have any nice things.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by ijidak on Sunday July 21, 2019 @04:13PM (#20493385)
Don't make money. :) That will keep wall street permanently at bay.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by manderley on Sunday July 21, 2019 @05:17PM (#20493724)
Pretty sure not making money is what attracts the most investment money these days.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by dredmorbius on Sunday July 21, 2019 @05:48PM (#20493877)
Sci-Hub!
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by menzoic on Sunday July 21, 2019 @04:47PM (#20493560)
Reddit
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by SllX on Sunday July 21, 2019 @10:29PM (#20494993)
> Really interesting going back and seeing what was on the front page on some random day in 2006.

Surreal. I was on YouTube several times a day every day throughout 2006. YouTube used to actually be relatively static and unchanging, the top videos in the afternoon might have been roughly the same as in the morning.

I’m not just recognizing individual videos, I’m recognizing entire pages, down to video placements in the sorting order, seeing videos I actually clicked on and watched, maybe even gave one of like 51 star ratings to.

For some reason, it never occurred to me to look at YouTube in the Wayback Machine. On my phone right now, I can’t load any of the videos anyway for lack of a browser plug-in which around that time was basically Macromedia Flash 8 or something. Actually Macromedia might not have even been acquired by Adobe yet, or else the acquisition had just been recently announced. Either way it was Macromedia up until Adobe Flash 9.

I don’t know if I’ll be able to play any of the videos on a laptop, but I bookmarked a few familiar looking pages to try later.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by chias on Monday July 22, 2019 @02:12AM (#20495688)
Surprisingly, the video tags in modern youtube. Pulled a random video from archive, Converse Hands Man:

https://web.archive.org/web/20061208100700/http://www.youtub...

Grab the 'v' parameter and paste it into a modern youtube video URL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W-14qlnQWI

and watch Converse Hands Man in modern youtube glory.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by farmerbb on Monday July 22, 2019 @02:24AM (#20495725)
Clicking on the second link shows "Video unavailable" for me.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by Goz3rr on Monday July 22, 2019 @04:50AM (#20496299)
Same for me, I believe this is the video and it's gotten a new ID for some reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKw9QH1yH5Q
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by codeulike on Sunday July 21, 2019 @05:35PM (#20493814)
Then you need to look at http://astronaut.io/ from the front page last week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20432772

Its youtube videos with zero or very few views.

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by johnchristopher on Sunday July 21, 2019 @03:19PM (#20493127)
I was thinking about that today. I was fiddling with mastodon and a VPS then started thinking about microblogging and youtube content evolutions over the years and came to the conclusion that people share stuff through messaging now and I like that. I ditched the mastodon idea.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by marviel on Sunday July 21, 2019 @04:59PM (#20493629)
You might enjoy http://astronaut.io!! It sources content from YouTube that is generally not from influencers using a few heuristics (low view count, uploaded in past week, generic title, etc) and displays it in an ever shifting stream.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by extreme_orang on Sunday July 21, 2019 @06:31PM (#20494083)
This might be interesting...

"A compellingly written and highly original study of the practices of the early-adopter video blogging community. This essential study will change the ways in which we think about past, present and future online creative communities and digital platforms."

http://networkcultures.org/blog/publication/tod-27-videoblog...

Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by rv-de on Sunday July 21, 2019 @04:27PM (#20493458)
I also would like to search for videos by date of upload for example. Is there a way to do that? The on-site search functionality on youtube is abysmal. Especially the auto-reset of the filters upon changing the search term is so incredibly annoying.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by d0mine on Sunday July 21, 2019 @04:40PM (#20493523)
I remember reading somewhere that in the earlier days the most popular "authentic" videos were actually created by paid actors.
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by konschubert on Sunday July 21, 2019 @06:16PM (#20494018)
Re:YouTube was launched as a dating site by eveningcoffee on Sunday July 21, 2019 @06:27PM (#20494064)
For general education about subculture takeover please refer to https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths