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Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:54PM (#20168595)
Id rather see someone become the Beyond Bread/Pasta with zero carbohydrates, that i believe would be a much bigger market.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by Falling3 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:01PM (#20168677)
For the sake of the planet and animals, I'm thrilled with the fact Beyond is focusing on animal product replacements.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:04PM (#20168708)
As someone who enjoys meat, I'm excited to be able to finally get options that don't involve killing something to get there.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by the8472 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:14PM (#20168811)
Plants are living things. If you want to eat without killing then you'd need ab initio synthesized nutrients or subsist on detritus.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by Falling3 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:19PM (#20168868)
If I were the parent I would've phrased that differently. But, as long as we're being pedantic, eating from plants is possible without killing the organism.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by gweinberg on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:23PM (#20171071)
Animals also.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by firethief on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @10:37PM (#20171404)
Not profitably. Cows can't be kept recently-pregnant without way too many calves; half of chicks are useless males.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by jogjayr on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:48AM (#20171873)
> half of chicks are useless males.

That may soon be a thing of the past.[1][2]

1. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/30/chick-culling-germany-makes-...

2. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/22/worlds-f...

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by Falling3 on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:42AM (#20172105)
This is a big step, but don't forget that commercial layers are also slaughtered very young after egg production wanes.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by knolax on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @10:27PM (#20171357)
Yes but with animals the parts you harvest don't grow back.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:23PM (#20168900)
Sorry, that doesn't involve killing something with a face.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @06:37PM (#20170066)
I am not sure what you mean.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by BOBOTWINSTON on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:01PM (#20168673)
Spaghetti Squash really surprised me. You need to figure out how to cook it right or else it gets a bit too "wet/oily", but it can really be quite amazing.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by dawnerd on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:07PM (#20168739)
Oh man, with a little bit of butter mixed in, perfect.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by matwood on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:07PM (#20168732)
I prefer it over regular pasta because it adds flavor and has a better texture for my tastes. Nutrition is just a bonus.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by pasta-driven on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:02PM (#20168686)
What is the problem with carbohydrates? If it is the refined grain part in pasta and bread, then there are already solutions: whole wheat products.

Who do you thing would go for the beyond wheat products?

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ClassyJacket on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @08:24PM (#20170743)
Eating carbohydrates spikes your blood sugar and therefore insulin response, which has several problems: one, it makes you hungry again very quickly, and makes your energy levels spike and dip more than if you avoid them. Enough simple carbohydrates cause diabetes.

It is also very easy to eat a large number of calories via carbohydrate. Essentially, carbs make you fat.

I can personally observe in myself that if I eat a chocolate bar in the morning, I will be more hungry in an hour or two than if I had eaten nothing at all.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by the_pwner224 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:40PM (#20171155)
This is very black and white and borderline incorrect. There's nothing inherently bad about carbohydrates. Eating anything will make you more fat; simple carbs are just easy to eat.

Unrefined carbs like in potatoes and (whole)wheat and oatmeal etc. are not bad; those foods provide many good nutrients and do not cause the negative carb effects you mentioned.

It's the same as fruits containing sugar (which is a carbohydrate actually I think) but not causing the same ill effects as eating the same amount of sugar from Sour Patch Kids (candy which is ~80% sugar by weight).

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by geomark on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @10:35PM (#20171394)
Potatoes have a pretty high glycemic index and glycemic load compared to whole wheat and oatmeal.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by chongli on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:33AM (#20173728)
But without fat it's pretty hard to eat a lot of potatoes; they're just too bland.

That's the thing that everyone in this discussion seems to be missing: taste. There are good reasons to believe that better-tasting food may have physiological effects beyond just being pleasurable to eat [1]. This is not controversial when it comes to other substances but with food it's a much tougher battle.

[1] https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/25/book-review-the-hungry...

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by cageface on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:02AM (#20172199)
A steak spikes your insulin harder than a plate of whole wheat pasta. Complex carbs, particular when eaten along with vegetables, are perfectly healthy.

The problems start when you refine all the fiber away and load them up with oil.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by cies on Thursday June 13, 2019 @04:06AM (#20172684)
If you do not consume any fats, you can handle the blood sugar spike easily. With fat in your blood you become less insulin sensitive. Thus it is the combination of fat+carbs that it the diabetes causer.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by firethief on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @10:40PM (#20171419)
> I can personally observe in myself that if I eat a chocolate bar in the morning, I will be more hungry in an hour or two than if I had eaten nothing at all.

Fasting is a powerful thing! So is refined sugar.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by astura on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:45PM (#20177097)
Maybe that's just a personal thing, I eat tons of carbs and I'm never hungry again shortly afterwards.

I only eat once a day M-F, fwiw.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by nategri on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:06PM (#20168729)
Me, for one. I was burdened by about 80 pounds of excess weight before I realized that I had no safe level of consumption for carbohydrate-rich foods.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by cpursley on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:05PM (#20168716)
People who want to be healthy. I get fat if I even look a piece of bread or bowl of pasta. But I sure do miss the taste and would love a substitute.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @06:45PM (#20170119)
Exactly, thats my problem especially after i stopped smoking.

No carbs works really well for me and makes me loose weight.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by i_cant_speel on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:04PM (#20168711)
There are plenty of people who are on low/no carb diets. Keto being a notable example.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by noloblo on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:13PM (#20168796)
+1 beyond bread would be good addition to the beyond lineup
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @06:36PM (#20170057)
Whole wheat is still carb heavy.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by cies on Thursday June 13, 2019 @04:07AM (#20172688)
But slower to digest thus less of a blood sugar spike.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @06:00AM (#20173176)
Its carbs they make me gain weight really fast. Thats the problem i am having and why i would love a beyond bread/pasta solution.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by cies on Monday June 17, 2019 @10:12AM (#20203126)
Is it carbs or is it starches? We, as a species, are not used to eating starches as a main component in our diet. We as a species are used to eating much like bonobos, chimps and utangs: thus lots of carbs but from fruits instead of starches.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by astura on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:01PM (#20177214)
You sure bread and pasta make you gain weight because "carbs," not just because bread and pasta taste good?
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:57PM (#20177651)
Yes I am very sure about that. I have been doing this for 20 years now.

When I don't eat carbs I feel the best, has the most energy and loose weight.

It's pretty significant.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by mattnewport on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:05PM (#20168721)
People who know that it is a myth that whole grains are healthy?
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by evandev on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:17PM (#20168846)
Any sources to back that up?
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by mattnewport on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:41PM (#20169070)
Start with unhealthy high-carb refined grains and add anti-nutrients like lectin and phytates, plus fiber that you would probably be better off getting from whole fruits and vegetables and you don't end up with something healthy.

Pretty much any of the myriad resources on paleo / low-carb / grain-free diets will cover most of the reasons and point to research backing up why whole grains are not healthy. Nutrition science is a weirdly controversial topic however so for every study that points in one direction you'll find someone passionately committed to a different theory who will dig up conflicting evidence.

Having read a lot on the subject over the years (and through personal experience) I'm persuaded by the evidence in favour of a low-carb, largely grain-free, high fat paleo style diet but I've largely given up trying to convince anyone who feels differently on the Internet as for whatever reason nutrition debates are as heated and futile as political ones.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by the_gastropod on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:21AM (#20171778)
“Lectins and phytates” are the black box doom and gloom ingredients of the paleo world. Let’s straighten up a couple misconceptions:

1. Lectins. Lectins are substances found in many raw foods, like tomatoes, lentils, beans, and whole grains. Some lectins are toxic (like those in kidney beans) and some are completely harmless (like those in tomatoes). Toxic lectins are completely destroyed by proper cooking. Some high lectin foods (like lentils and beans) are strongly correlated with longer lifespans, so diets suggesting they be avoided are probably worth scrutiny.

2. Phytates. Phytates can bind to vitamins and minerals and make them biologically unavailable in digestion. In practice, this is only problematic in already nutrient deficient diets. And like most dietary concerns, the picture is more complex. Phytates also have remarkable positive effects, such as decreased rates of cancer, kidney stones, diabetes, and heart disease.

The paleo diet (basically rebranded Atkins) runs contrary to every developed nation’s dietary guides. To believe it’s healthy is to believe in conspiratorial thinking as silly as flat earth or faked moon landings.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by mattnewport on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:55AM (#20171903)
To believe the typical developed nation's dietary guidelines are the best advice on a healthy diet is to show a level of credulity and lack of critical thinking as silly as thinking paleo is rebranded Atkins.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by bumby on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:09PM (#20171010)
I guess it goes to show the level of biodiversity but my blood work improved when I increased my carb intake above the 50% mark
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @06:38PM (#20170071)
From a carb point of view it is.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by core-questions on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @08:05PM (#20170643)
What is "healthy"? Whole grains provide me with carbs, carbs provide me with sugar, sugar is burnt for energy. Eat the amount you actually need and, unless you've got Celiac, you're gonna be fine.

Some of you people sound like you should just become Breatharians instead of burdening the rest of us with your tiresome dietary restrictions. For those of us that can eat real food without it ruining our lives, you're like so many annoying flies always pushing your strange food fads when the rest of us just want a reliable source of clean meat and bread.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by mattnewport on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:54PM (#20171215)
If you don't think "healthy" can be quantified and you're satisfied with your demonstrated level of ignorance about nutrition then why are you engaging in a discussion about nutrition on the Internet? I don't give a crap what you eat. I do somewhat object to people spreading misinformation about nutrition but I also recognize that trying to stop it is a King Canute level exercise in futility.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by flick on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:58PM (#20168647)
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by mattnewport on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:04PM (#20168707)
Since you can live without carbohydrates but not without protein and fat it seems like the opposite.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fredsir on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:13PM (#20168795)
Your body will break down protein and fat into carbs if it isn't supplied with enough carbs. Your body has developed a mechanism to make carbs from other things because it needs carbs so badly. It would seem folly to think we should rely on this round-about disaster-mitigation mechanism instead of just supplying it with what it wants, which is partly carbs.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by mattnewport on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @05:00PM (#20169267)
The premise of the keto diet is that the human body is adapted to function best when deriving most of its energy from fat (dietary or stored). This makes a certain amount of sense from an evolutionary perspective as regular meals with an abundance of easily digested refined carbs were not a feature of our ancestral evolutionary environment. The evidence that "fat-burning" is a healthier default is persuasive but not conclusive at this point I would say.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by bumby on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:16PM (#20171033)
I think there has been some dietary research that showed people, especially those of European ancestry, have been exposed to grains long enough to have adapted. And, like with lots of nutrition information, there's counter examples of ancestral diets comprised largely of carbohydrates.

I think people need to realize there probably isn't a one-size-fits-all diet because humans are so varied genetically and well adapted to many different environments

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by jniedrauer on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:57PM (#20168634)
You can already make low carb pasta dishes using zucchini and various flour replacements, and there are plenty of low carb tortilla brands.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by stronglikedan on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:59PM (#20168660)
But none of those taste and feel like real pasta, whereas the impossible burger tastes and feels like a real burger.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by adpirz on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:08PM (#20168745)
I had some chickpea pasta from Whole Foods that at least to me, tasted as good if not better than real pasta.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by stronglikedan on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:18PM (#20168858)
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by bblough on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:03AM (#20174385)
I haven't tried the chickpea pasta so I can't comment there, but my wife and I found some edamame (soy) based pasta at Costco that's not bad. It's 7 net carbs for a 2 oz serving and so far I think it's the closest thing to a regular noodle that we've had.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fredsir on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:57PM (#20168621)
Why zero carbohydrates?
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by cpursley on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:06PM (#20168727)
Carbohydrates get quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fredsir on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:23PM (#20168904)
As I understand it, assuming we are talking about carbs, fats and proteins, as in their whole-food forms, not as in say a cookie, no, it's easier/quicker for your body to store say fat as fat than carbs as fat, which it will have to transform into fat first. Carbs are also loaded with water and fibers which makes digestion even slower to make this effect even better.

> Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat

Processed food as well as particularly overeating of delicacies like meat, cheese, eggs, fish, and oil and sugar prepared plant-foods, is the mayor culprit, I believe.

Nobody got fat from eating plain potatoes, beans and apples. It's also very hard to overeat on those kinds of foods because of the high water and fiber content. People get fat by eating too much dairy, meat, eggs, and plants prepared in oils, or other highly processed plant-foods, which are easy to overeat on.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by mattnewport on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:52PM (#20169193)
> it's easier/quicker for your body to store say fat as fat than carbs as fat, which it will have to transform into fat first.

It's not that simple. Dietary fat doesn't spike insulin levels and that is a primary signal to the body to store excess calories in fat cells. High carb foods tend to spike insulin but to what degree depends on the food.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by astura on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @08:37PM (#20170820)
https://www.nature.com/articles/0802300

>CONCLUSIONS: Fish-eaters, vegetarians and especially vegans had lower BMI than meat-eaters. Differences in macronutrient intakes accounted for about half the difference in mean BMI between vegans and meat-eaters. High protein and low fibre intakes were the factors most strongly associated with increasing BMI.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by thrower123 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:13PM (#20171023)
Correlation rather than causation, would be my first thought. A randoml vegan is vastly more likely to be getting regular exercise and be generally health-conscious than your randomly selected traditional diet person. This study tries to downplay non-dietary lifestyle factors, but can't help conceding that:

> Vegans tended to report higher levels of physical activity; there were no clear patterns for education level across the diet groups; vegans were least likely and meat-eaters most likely to be married and almost the whole cohort reported ethnicity as white. Nulliparity was most common in the vegan women and least common in meat-eaters, with meat-eaters tending to have a greater number of children than the other diet groups. Some of these differences in lifestyle factors between the diet groups are likely to result from the disparity in median ages.

So, more exercise, less marriage, fewer children, and younger age for the vegans...

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by cageface on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:06AM (#20172216)
Converting carbs into fat is very ineffective, losing about 40% of the calories in the process. You can get fat just from carbs but it’s not easy. But start adding empty fat calories like oils to those carbs and you’ll store the fat directly and just burn the carbs for energy.

It’s pretty hard to gain weight eating boiled potatoes but you’ll pack on pounds eating fries.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by chongli on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:40AM (#20173767)
It’s pretty hard to gain weight eating boiled potatoes but you’ll pack on pounds eating fries.

Probably has as much to do with taste as anything. Plain boiled potatoes are so bland that people would only eat them if they had no other choice.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:50AM (#20173825)
Thats because you haven't had proper potatoes in their season then.

In Denmark it's a national delicacy to have same day potatoes cooked or in salads. They are silky smooth, super easy to peel (you simply just rub the skin off) and are amazing with dill, creme fraîse and any meat you can think off.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by chongli on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:50AM (#20174799)
Maybe not. Maybe in Denmark you have tasty heirloom varieties. Here in North America, most of the potatoes you see in the store are white, waxy, starchy, and bland. If you're not going to fry them then you usually need copious amounts of butter and salt.

Having said that, have you tried your potatoes completely plain (no fat or salt)?

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:52PM (#20177608)
Yes, you can even eat them raw when they are new.

I live in the US now and you can easily get potatoes if you go upstate in New York where I live. The problem is that they are way too long to get to the dinner table :)

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fwip on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:11PM (#20168779)
Does anyone say that meat causes obesity?
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by yourapostasy on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:17PM (#20168852)
I don't think meat per se is fingered as the cause from what I read in these and similar comment threads, but the fat that usually comes with most affordable cuts of meat, so meat gets tarred with the same brush.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:51AM (#20173832)
Fat doesn't make you fat.

If you only eat meat you will loose weight not gain it regardless of how much fat is in it.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fwip on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:30PM (#20176972)
I think that's more the malnutrition causing weight loss, there.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:55PM (#20177636)
Jordan Peterson and his daughter who basically only eat meat got rid of autoimmune issues.

I lost the most weight when I eat only meat (including the fat) & green salads (or any non-carbohydrates)

Not malnutrition at all. I

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fwip on Thursday June 13, 2019 @08:26PM (#20179717)
Yeah, Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a charlatan. I'm sorry you got snookered by him, but it's not too late.

That all-meat diet sure isn't helping you. Your attention span didn't even last for your whole post before you got confused, hit send, and wandered off.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by chc on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:16PM (#20168841)
AFAIK anything with bioavailable calories is quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Is that not the case?
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by projectramo on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:58PM (#20168639)
Cauliflower bread. Not quite there, but its a great start to a healthier alternative.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:52AM (#20173841)
It's far from good bread.

I love good bread, grew up with proper bread. I have tried most substitutions they just don't do it.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by noloblo on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:13PM (#20168799)
good idea
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by smileysteve on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:22PM (#20171064)
Cauliflower! Coming to pizza, wings, pasta near you
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by mcv on Thursday June 13, 2019 @05:46AM (#20173116)
My wife sneaks cauliflower into everything. Not just for less carbs; it's also a great way to sneak some extra vegetables into the kids.