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Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fredsir on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:57PM (#20168621)
Why zero carbohydrates?
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by cpursley on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:06PM (#20168727)
Carbohydrates get quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fredsir on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:23PM (#20168904)
As I understand it, assuming we are talking about carbs, fats and proteins, as in their whole-food forms, not as in say a cookie, no, it's easier/quicker for your body to store say fat as fat than carbs as fat, which it will have to transform into fat first. Carbs are also loaded with water and fibers which makes digestion even slower to make this effect even better.

> Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat

Processed food as well as particularly overeating of delicacies like meat, cheese, eggs, fish, and oil and sugar prepared plant-foods, is the mayor culprit, I believe.

Nobody got fat from eating plain potatoes, beans and apples. It's also very hard to overeat on those kinds of foods because of the high water and fiber content. People get fat by eating too much dairy, meat, eggs, and plants prepared in oils, or other highly processed plant-foods, which are easy to overeat on.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by mattnewport on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:52PM (#20169193)
> it's easier/quicker for your body to store say fat as fat than carbs as fat, which it will have to transform into fat first.

It's not that simple. Dietary fat doesn't spike insulin levels and that is a primary signal to the body to store excess calories in fat cells. High carb foods tend to spike insulin but to what degree depends on the food.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by astura on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @08:37PM (#20170820)
https://www.nature.com/articles/0802300

>CONCLUSIONS: Fish-eaters, vegetarians and especially vegans had lower BMI than meat-eaters. Differences in macronutrient intakes accounted for about half the difference in mean BMI between vegans and meat-eaters. High protein and low fibre intakes were the factors most strongly associated with increasing BMI.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by thrower123 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:13PM (#20171023)
Correlation rather than causation, would be my first thought. A randoml vegan is vastly more likely to be getting regular exercise and be generally health-conscious than your randomly selected traditional diet person. This study tries to downplay non-dietary lifestyle factors, but can't help conceding that:

> Vegans tended to report higher levels of physical activity; there were no clear patterns for education level across the diet groups; vegans were least likely and meat-eaters most likely to be married and almost the whole cohort reported ethnicity as white. Nulliparity was most common in the vegan women and least common in meat-eaters, with meat-eaters tending to have a greater number of children than the other diet groups. Some of these differences in lifestyle factors between the diet groups are likely to result from the disparity in median ages.

So, more exercise, less marriage, fewer children, and younger age for the vegans...

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by cageface on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:06AM (#20172216)
Converting carbs into fat is very ineffective, losing about 40% of the calories in the process. You can get fat just from carbs but it’s not easy. But start adding empty fat calories like oils to those carbs and you’ll store the fat directly and just burn the carbs for energy.

It’s pretty hard to gain weight eating boiled potatoes but you’ll pack on pounds eating fries.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by chongli on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:40AM (#20173767)
It’s pretty hard to gain weight eating boiled potatoes but you’ll pack on pounds eating fries.

Probably has as much to do with taste as anything. Plain boiled potatoes are so bland that people would only eat them if they had no other choice.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:50AM (#20173825)
Thats because you haven't had proper potatoes in their season then.

In Denmark it's a national delicacy to have same day potatoes cooked or in salads. They are silky smooth, super easy to peel (you simply just rub the skin off) and are amazing with dill, creme fraîse and any meat you can think off.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by chongli on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:50AM (#20174799)
Maybe not. Maybe in Denmark you have tasty heirloom varieties. Here in North America, most of the potatoes you see in the store are white, waxy, starchy, and bland. If you're not going to fry them then you usually need copious amounts of butter and salt.

Having said that, have you tried your potatoes completely plain (no fat or salt)?

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:52PM (#20177608)
Yes, you can even eat them raw when they are new.

I live in the US now and you can easily get potatoes if you go upstate in New York where I live. The problem is that they are way too long to get to the dinner table :)

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fwip on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:11PM (#20168779)
Does anyone say that meat causes obesity?
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by yourapostasy on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:17PM (#20168852)
I don't think meat per se is fingered as the cause from what I read in these and similar comment threads, but the fat that usually comes with most affordable cuts of meat, so meat gets tarred with the same brush.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:51AM (#20173832)
Fat doesn't make you fat.

If you only eat meat you will loose weight not gain it regardless of how much fat is in it.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fwip on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:30PM (#20176972)
I think that's more the malnutrition causing weight loss, there.
Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by ThomPete on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:55PM (#20177636)
Jordan Peterson and his daughter who basically only eat meat got rid of autoimmune issues.

I lost the most weight when I eat only meat (including the fat) & green salads (or any non-carbohydrates)

Not malnutrition at all. I

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by fwip on Thursday June 13, 2019 @08:26PM (#20179717)
Yeah, Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a charlatan. I'm sorry you got snookered by him, but it's not too late.

That all-meat diet sure isn't helping you. Your attention span didn't even last for your whole post before you got confused, hit send, and wandered off.

Re:The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish by chc on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:16PM (#20168841)
AFAIK anything with bioavailable calories is quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Is that not the case?