knolax

Every forum post I've seen mentioning 白話字 and 台羅 mentions how hard it is to read and how few Hokkien speakers can even read it. The few proponents for it seem to be holding on for religious reasons (Presbyterians).

>You can still do something similar in English where you say your name is "rainbow" but you spell it "rhaynbeau",

This is an insulting borderline racist comparison and ties to the same old western trope of treating our names like random sounds. "rhaynbeau" Isn't a word and doesn't carry any meaning.

OK James MC Shaver II. I guess every Chinese person's name is a "contrived example". Of course all the examples you use from the same website that use borderline newspeak prose is perfectly natural, and the objections of almost every native speaker means nothing. Somehow almost every Chinese speaker being exposed to phonetic writing first and still all coming to the conclusion that it's inadequate is not proof enough, and you still somehow maintain the cognitive dissonance that "people just use it because it's the way it's always done".

I gotta ask, you're the third white western male living in Taiwan who brings up this same tired argument with the same contrived source; Do you people have a club or something?

You could also write English as an abjad with no vowels but not sane person would consider it. You can aslo splel einlsgh lkie tihs and msot people colud raed it flriay esilay.[4] The fact that your type demand Chinese writing to not only be phonetic but also not have tones is pretty telling that your motivation for using phonetic writing has pretty much nothing to do with "it's easier" or "it's phonetically regular" but just from some sort of disdain for the Chinese language in general. These sorts of phonetic reforms also require writing in a style that is essentially newspeak on steroids, such as your second source, which uses no vocabulary above maybe a 2nd grade level, and yet still I couldn't figure out what some of the words were supposed to be.

Here's another quote from the source you use:

> "There is no doubt that romanized Classical Chinese would be gibberish"

Invariably these proponents of phonetic writing for Chinese are non-native speakers[1] from the west who seem to have an intense hatred for any aspect of the Chinese language that they consider "Classic Chinese" derived[3]. This of course extends to any sentence that goes beyond "where's the bathroom" and "hello my name is bob" except not even the second example because Chinese names are what these people would consider "classical derived". So you propose a system that would not be able to transcribe __names__. Go to Korean wikipedia and click on a disambiguation page[0]. Or go ask them to show you their ID card[2]. These are a people whose entire national identity is based around not using Chinese writing. A lifetime of both native chinese speakers and non-chinese alike not being able to pronounce my NAME right when rendered in Pinyin is apparently not evidence enough that it's an inadequate system.

> This is a Chinese dictionary: https://imgur.com/a/rdxVh9i

You also leave out that double digit percentages of the Dungan language comes from Arabic and Persian, Russian, Turkic etc. Not even their names are Chinese. What little Chinese is left is a fraction of the amount of Chinese morphemes a normal Chinese speaker knows. Even in your example the entry for "da" has 10 semantically, phonetically, and etymologically different entries. The PRC also tried to enforce phonetic writing on the Yi and Zhuang languages, which had their own scripts that work on the same principles as Chinese. The result was low literacy rates and a population that predominantly still used the old writing system.

I could very well turn your argument against you. Why doesn't English spell pique, peak, peek the same? Pours, pores, poors? Why did a phonetic writing system slowly evolve into what is essentially a logographic script. Why were you able to read the above example relatively easily, but sdrow eht esrever I fi ylkciuq sa ylraen ton? It's almost as if mature readers of all scripts focus primarily on morpheme clusters when reading, and whatever gains you have from supposedly phonetically regular spelling are offset by that, assuming no pronunciation differences of course. By the time you force everyone to either memorize the "proper" pronunciations or simply force them to only use your privileged dialect your orthography will already be out of date. You can reform again, but by then your lexicon will be so etymologically and semantically starved[6] that you'll probably have to construct all your technical terms from some dead language with a stable orthography anyways.

> an actual analysis whether Sinitic languages

It's called general Chinese. The only phonetic system that works for most dialects, and whose spelling requires the same amount of memorization as writing with logographic characters. Of course if your kind had your way, by the time you could force it on every Chinese speaker it would be out of date and not even regular anymore. Of course these discussions usually don't even touch on the concept of morpheme regularity.

Of course all this text is useless because you probably don't speak Chinese well enough to evaluate any primary source, and the motivation for all this is less rational and more a personal vendetta you non-native speakers hold against Chinese being "too hard to learn"[5]. What's funny is it's the same sentiment you expats have for Vietnamese and Korean, Arabic or even Dutch. Even if we lobotomize our language for your sake you'll simply demand we all adopt English anyways.

[0] https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%88%98%EB%8F%84_(%EB%8F%99%...

[1] or some sort of deranged newspeak proponent, usually diaspora

[2] https://learn.microsoft.com/en- us/answers/questions/815368/acceptable-types-of-identification-%28az-900-test%29?orderby=newest

[3] Usually the argument against 施氏食獅史, somehow a several sentence long story every native chinese reader would understand being rendered as gibbereished shi shi shi shi shi shi, or maybe shi Shi shi shi shi if you're generous, is a totally reasonable reform in your eyes.

[4] https://www.ddginc-usa.com/can-you-read-this.htm

[5] Not limited to language apparently, no cultural differences can be tolerated by you globalists types. Even chopsticks compel your type to proclaim > "Really? A fork and a spoon is far more superior. It shocks me that chopsticks are still used and that people like using them" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35877051

[6] > Romanticized bullshit views built around Chinese characters.

Leads to Oxymoronic statements where Refusing To "Romanize" is because of "Romanticism". How absurdity like this is supposed to be easy for non-native learners and native children to grasp is beyond me.

Trying to learn pronunciation through some sort of visual language annotation is one the most counterproductive ways you could approach it. Pronunciation varies subtly from person to person and even from situation to situation, all this information can only really be conveyed from actually listening to people speak, where as most systems for transcribing pronunciation have to optimize for regularity. The end result is that it only conveys the minimum amount of phonetic information needed to distinguish between morphemes. If you add more information then the categories become more and more subjective and harder to distinguish. For example try to do some IPA transcriptions for a language you do speak, or listen to trained linguists try to pronounce words in non-native language.

Think of it as trying to compress several kilobytes of information down to several bytes of information and then trying to reconstruct the original data all in the CPU when you have dedicated hardware several orders of magnitude more powerful and which uses a non-compatible black box compression scheme.

India has full on communist guerilla groups fighting the modi government with no 2nd amendment. In the past 200 odd years of "gun rights", Americans have never been able to overthrow the same ruling that founded this country despite multiple attempts with both legitimate and illegitimate grievances.

You live in a democracy. If you hate your government organize against it. Siding with foreign agitators only makes you look like a neoliberal pawn and delegitimizes your position.

It's foreign state media that's been caught falsifying footage and known to have intelligence assets from both the UK and US working there. Even British people occasionally complain about partisanship. You can call me as many names and grandstand about their nonexistent "journalistic integrity". Doesn't change the facts.

The BBC is accusing Modi of committing genocide in an incident that started with the other side burning 59 pilgrims to death. India is right to block what is a naked piece of propaganda made a foreign state.

Ban me if you want but this is the dumbest comment reply I have ever seen. Chatbots regularly display more intelligence than this. I feel bad for anybody who has to interact with you in real life.

> But for the sake of the argument, let's replace all class="...", id="..", and data-event-name=".." with strings of the same length consisting of "回". That grows the filesize from 118K to 151

You're missing the point entirely, the amount of characters you used is enough for 2 or 3 sentences. This was not an example constructed in good faith.

And the mainland is full of Russians pretending to be Chinese like you used to say? You yourself have a massive personal chip on your shoulder against both Taiwan and the mainland. Your anecdote means very little.

Isn't this the forced IP transfer that I used to see so many complaints about.

Your argument uses a website whose code was written by English speakers. There would still be ASCII but verbose element names like "vector-page-toolbar-container" would definitely be shorter both in utf-8 and in utf-16.

First it's "The government can't stop me from saying anything I want", then it's "Corporations can't stop me from saying anything I want on their platform", and now you've progressed to "Private individuals running their own instances have to federate with me and listen to what I say or else they're witch hunting leftists". It's my own instance, I will federate with who I want. You have the right to run your instance, I have the right to tell you to fuck off.

So Dang is the deep state?

Downs Syndrome is caused by a random mutation. It's not inherited so the long term rate of it occuring would be unaffected. Given the massive amount of inbreeding in Iceland they have bigger concerns.

Targeted harassment for the purpose of getting people to kill themselves is illegal. People have gone to jail for less than what KF gloats about. All the free speach absolutists crying about "censorship" just shows how ridiculous their ideology is. Instead of whining about cloudflare they should be looking for lawyers.

The big counter celebrating the number of people they've harassed into committing suicide? People have gone to jail for it. CF should be the least of their concerns right now.

Just tried OpenSCAD a couple days ago. The fact that intersection and difference operations often result in z-fighting is extremely frustrating. I read that that it was standard practice to manually account for this by "cutting more than you need". Such bandaid workarounds shouldn't need to exist. It's disappointing because conceptually OpenSCAD is very promising, but fundamental issues like this combined with the overly verbose syntax are holding it back.

Don't stone walls in Europe use the same technique?

By your logic a World of Warcraft reference is also nationalistic. Western engineers can make the most convoluted cultural references possible with no criticism but something as innocuous as naming a processor after a fictional metal attracts accusationa of nationalism.

I see what looks like an Arduino on one of the pictures. That combined with the plexiglass construction makes it hard to justify the $3000 pricetag for what is essentially some highschooler's hobby project.

> That covers the whole of NASA's response so far to IEEE Spectrum

IEEE Spectrum was the same paper that got duped into publishing a story about a self driving car that didn't exist. It's a tabloid piggybacking off of the IEEE's brand recognition. The fact that a NASA spokesperson bothered to reply at all surprises me.

I thought you meant in the US.

My main point was about Vincent Chin and yet a passing mention of Chauvin has triggered some culture war rant about police violence, completely missing the point. You're moving the goalposts by including statistics on all police shootings justified or not instead of examining actually egregious cases where the shooting clearly wasn't justified.

> Blacks were significantly more likely to have a deadly weapon than a white suspect. Yet more white suspects were killed.

More white suspects were killed because there's more than 4 times as many whites. Ang again the data is on all shootings and not just cases of unjustified shootings. The data on whether or not the people they shoot is self reported, and if you watch any of the bodycam footage you can clearly see that many of these "armed" suspects weren't armed at all and had dropped their guns and had their hands up when they were shot[0][1].

Even if you bring up that the predominantly white police also happen to kill white civilians it doesn't change the fact that they're still getting away with murder unless rioting happens. White police getting away with murdering whire civilians is still wrong.

> So despite being 13% population, in 2016 blacks committed 53% of murders, 54% robberies, 43% weapons offences, 38% of all violent crimes.

38% of all violent crimes that were caught. They're caught more because they're more heavily policed. I've worked in security before. 90% of the time if a guy pulls out a knife or gets violent he's white. And this was a city with a relatively low white population too. And no, showing that the data also shows whites committing more crimes in other areas does not mean it isn't biased. You're assuming that the data is biased because of intentional malice when it's sampling error. Whether or not violent crime is caught depends on how heavily a specific community is physically patrolled but crimes like sex assault and drug don't.

Citing self reported "threat perception failures" from the police of one specific city doesn't reliably say anything about who's shooting who. Are black police more likely to shoot unarmed blacks or are they just less likely to lie about the suspect being armed?

> white "liberal saviors"

I'm not white and I'm not a "liberal". Hispanic and Black people wanting more police is completely irrelevant to me. You also cherry-picked your data when in your own source it shows a higher percentage of Hispanic and Black people wanting fewer police than whites.

None of this tangent about police violence will change the fact that Vincent Chin's murderer is alive and was not given any jail time by a white jury. Two white men commited a hate based murder and are walking free to this day.

[0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6BBA5EAqoxo

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile

> Tawana Vicenia Brawley

That casea didn't even pass the grand jury. Compared to Ronnie Long who got 44 Years when the races were reversed.

> 2. Tony Timpa

"Random events" is a funny way to say a consistent pattern of Whites police killing mostly nonwhites and White murderers and lynch mobs getting away with no consequences. Vincent Chin's death was racially motivated and the all white jury punish to convict his murderers. That is a race problem.

> Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men. [0]

[0] https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/ronnie-long-nc-wrongful-co...

> After the news of gene editing embryos without consent or knowledge in 2019

Can you provide more info on this? I wasn't able to find anything specific.

> Rich white males can murder and rape here and nobody cares!

Vincent Chin's murderers didn't get any jail time. The woman who falsely accused Emmett Till is still alive and well. It took months of rioting for them to begin convicting people like Chauvin instead of just giving them paid vacations. I don't know the situation in Germany but at least in the US that statement isn't far from the truth.

More reasons why a global search monopoly is suboptimal. Smaller markets like this are just going to get neglected and maintained just enough that a better alternative can't compete. Google search is basically useless for any language other than English.

Practical how? It's literally an order of magnitude easier to implement Korean or Chinese TTS than English. A Korean block or Chinese character only has one pronounciation, with the number exceptions few enough to list. The mapping from symbol to sound is near deterministic. English TTS has been under development for decades and it usually still doesn't pronounce half the words right. They also don't require the convoluted kerning and line breaking algorithm that English text needs. Unlike for latin, Monospace spacing is canonical, so you don't have to do the weird dance where code has to use one font and prose another font. Literally the only argument you can make is that if you mutilate English spelling enough you can get do a 8 bit per character encoding, but that's a dumb point because a 16bit Korean or Chinese character usually represents more information than 5 English letters.