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Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by Pandabob on Monday May 20, 2019 @03:13PM (#19963917)
There are actually multiple levels of (Instagram) influencing. On the one end you have your mega influencers like Kylie Jenner. On the other there, are so called nano influencers, with as few as a thousand followers (and up to 10k). Usually, the fewer followers you have, the more engagement you can get from your followers and that's something companies will pay for. Also, most nano influencers are just doing it as a side gig for some free stuff, so it might actually be kind of economical as a marketing channel for many consumer companies (YMMV of course).
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday May 20, 2019 @04:02PM (#19964521)
Yeah, "nano influencer" is basically the Avon lady/Tupperware party host of this decade.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by skciva on Monday May 20, 2019 @05:48PM (#19965610)
Anecdotally, I know multiple people who's followers count would put them in the category of "nano influencer" who do an excellent job using their platform to engage with interested clients / paying customers.

I guess because of this one might not refer to them as purely an "influencer" but more and more people I know use instagram as a primary platform for advertising skills / wares as well as a place to spend money.

If you know your audience spends time on instagram, you'd be stupid not to put resources into engaging with them on the platform.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by Bayart on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @05:20AM (#19968641)
>I guess because of this one might not refer to them as purely an "influencer" but more and more people I know use instagram as a primary platform for advertising skills / wares as well as a place to spend money.

Yeah, I had absolutely no interest in the platform until I learned of some shoe makers communicating/selling only through it. It seems to have become a very popular showcasing platform for crafts.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by ggg2 on Monday May 20, 2019 @06:35PM (#19965981)
"Anecdotally, I know multiple people who's tupperware parties count would..."

I am not talking trash about your point. Just that you replied to a comment with not much understand of multi level marketing (pyramid schems) that the previous comment was aluding to (and the commenter didn't expand on it either). Most people in the tech business do not have much exposure to it. But the success of things like herbalife, avon, etc rest on the "marketing reach potential" of their network, not just for the direct product.

so in a way you are confirming the similarity that you thought you were denying with your comment. And the great insight here is how "influencer" is a kind of organic-multilevel-marketing scam.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by majormajor on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:08PM (#19966816)
Other than your suggestion that a "nano-influencer" is akin to MLM (in the whole up/down graph stuff, and pyramid nature), I don't see reason here to conclude that.

Small-to-medium brands engaging with small-to-medium scale individual marketers/influencers could be quite different than traditional MLM, with way fewer intermediaries.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by kohtatsu on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:26AM (#19967968)
The problem with MLMs was the predatory nature: having friends suck eachother into them to earn referrals, and most of the product being sold to people with dreams of getting rich with "cheap" and exclusive prices, who will in turn have a hard time finding actual customers to consume it.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by cerebellum42 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @03:28AM (#19968202)
The main differentiating factor is whether the "distributors" are the customers (as is the case with a lot of MLMs, around these days) and real sales to end customer only make up a small percentage of total sales. In those cases all the product ends up in garages and attics of the people who bought in and now can't sell because the product is overpriced shit and designed as such. That means the primary way to make sales is to recruit new "distributors" who then have to do the same (so, pyramid schemes).

However things like tupperware didn't seem to work that way, the product was actually mostly sold to end customers which makes it a legitimate business and not a pyramid scheme.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by adrianratnapala on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:19PM (#19966859)
> ... of organic-multilevel-marketing scam.

Is it a scam though? A pyramid scam is self-similar: you sell to people who then expect to sell to people who expect to sell to people etc.

I thought Avon, Tupperware etc. had a fixed length chains and multi-decade track records of sales to real consumers at the end of the chain.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by TallGuyShort on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:41PM (#19966970)
It's not a recursive scam, but some of them are still situations where they convince people to buy in before they understand the demand, and then in order to recoup their costs they now have to resort to obnoxious techniques like inviting their entire Facebook contacts list to their virtual party. I think the term "scam" is removing the resellers from responsibility for their own situation, so "sham" is a better term. Others aren't scams at all, but simply business that usually involve obnoxious techniques like inviting your entire Facebook contacts list to your virtual party.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by zebraflask on Monday May 20, 2019 @04:35PM (#19964891)
That is both a cogent and hilariously accurate description.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by willdotphipps on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:55AM (#19968067)
cogent? whats that mean?
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by satori99 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @03:07AM (#19968119)
A clear and convincing argument
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by seattle_spring on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @10:50AM (#19970641)
Heads up: If you're using Chrome, you can highlight a word, right click / context menu, and the very first option will be "Look up <word>".
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by b_tterc_p on Monday May 20, 2019 @05:34PM (#19965478)
Great insight! I’m stealing this.

Was also surprised to learn these are still a thing outside the US

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by code_duck on Monday May 20, 2019 @07:09PM (#19966185)
As in, a microbusiness connecting with a group of dedicated customers? Sure.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by asdff on Monday May 20, 2019 @07:29PM (#19966312)
Oh man those are even worse. Arbonne is this decades mary kay.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by willdotphipps on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:55AM (#19968065)
does the MLM thing actually work for all that sign up? i never got into them
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by flanbiscuit on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:48PM (#19967003)
This article goes into just how much you can make as an influencer:

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/11/28/18116875/influencer...

From the article:

> What do influencers charge per post?

> It depends on the influencer, and their follower numbers. A micro-influencer, which is someone that has 10,000 to 50,000 followers, is actually pretty valuable. They used to only pick up a couple hundred bucks, but today, they get a minimum of a few thousands dollars a post.

> Influencers with up to 1 million followers can get $10,000 [per post], depending on the platform, and 1 million followers and up, you’re getting into territory where they can charge $100,000. Some can even get $250,000 for a post! Especially if the content is on Youtube and the influencer is in the gaming industry.

> How much do typical influencers make annually?

> People with smaller followings [who are known as nanoinfluencers] can make between $30,000 and $60,000 a year. The micro-influencers can make anywhere from $40,000 to $100,000. Celeb influencers make way, way more.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by eaenki on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:10AM (#19968371)
2c from someone that knows:

assuming 30%+ US & 10%+ likes to followers ratio & 50%+ female

$250K per post is Kylie Jenner's territory.

A girl with 1.5MM and some connections can make up to $500K/y. About $5K per post. About 10MM impressions.

Someone with 500k can make up to $200k a year. Around $2k per post.

If your audience isn't as the one I described, the prices drop considerably. Rare exceptions apply.

Note that unless your "influencer" is a singer or an athlete or a politician or royalty, they're not "influencing" anyone. just treat them as pure ad impressions.

If you're paying more than $2K per 1MM impressions of the audience I described above, you're doing something wrong. Unless it's a singer or an athlete or a politician or royalty. In that case up to $2.7K makes sense

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by MuffinFlavored on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @10:26AM (#19970427)
> 10%+ likes to followers ratio

is there a standard metric to check how many of your followers are active?

if you have 1.5mm followers, but the same 10% on average are the ones to engage/like your posts, is it the same as having 15,000 really engaged followers?

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by eaenki on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @05:52AM (#19979498)
10% of 1.5MM it's 150,000. Not 15,000.

Also, Instagram simply doesn't show your stuff to 100% of your followers 100% of the time, so it's just impossible.

If you were to ask, could an 800K account with 150.000 likes per post charge as much as an 1.5MM account with 150.000 likes per post? Yes, and it would make sense. It's just rare that someone has an higher than 10% ratio. I've seen them upwards of 20% with the current algo.

As I said, as an advertiser you should look to pay about $2K per 1MM impressions (which are about 50k likes). In other words, if you paid $2K to get your product posted on an account with the audience I described previously and it gets 50K likes, you're doing it right and you're supposed to make a profit.

$2K per 1MM impressions it's my opinion tho (and it's pretty market average in my experience). It's derived from the fact that you can pay $3.5K to FB directly to get 1MM female US impressions on IG - with zero hassles and better traceability.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by MuffinFlavored on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @06:08PM (#19986088)
> It's just rare that someone has an higher than 10% ratio. I've seen them upwards of 20% with the current algo.

Is it 10% for any one post?

My question is, in a rolling 30 day period, are 10% of all followers overall liking posts, or any given random 10%?

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by manigandham on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @12:44AM (#19967611)
From 12 years of adtech experience, this is absolutely false.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:50AM (#19968053)
what do you think the correct numbers are?
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by manigandham on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:46AM (#19968508)
$5 per 1k followers average, so $500 per post for 100k followers, sometimes split with a talent agency/network that takes a cut. Smaller accounts are worthless but might get bought as a bundle. $1k+ per post needs 1M+ followers.

$25k+ per post is just normal celebs. $250k on a social media post is extreme and only happens if the person is incredibly famous. It's no different than tv commercials and sports deals. Nothing has really changed other than adding a new medium to monetize. The fame is still the hard part, although there's more of it to go around and more opportunity for those that try.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by martin_a on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @03:47AM (#19968278)
Like written down below, fractions of those are probably correct. Have been involved in making a deal with an influencer with around 50k followers. Was around $400 for a single post.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by King-Aaron on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:55PM (#19967024)
I'm really interested to know how companies can measure ROI on influencers, the spend > conversion flow just doesn't make sense to me.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by 55555 on Monday May 20, 2019 @10:00PM (#19967046)
it's not that hard.

- custom/tracked coupon codes

- custom/tracked swipe-up or bio links

- general increase in sales for the day

Instagram ROI for consumer products is good enough that the tracking doesn't need to catch 100%.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by willdotphipps on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:59AM (#19968090)
did you see that documentary on netflix, burning man? can't remember, they lost everyones money and were paying influencers, like, $200,000 bucks a post..if i'm wrong about the festival name i mean no disrespect.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by DZittersteyn on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @03:03AM (#19968101)
I think you mean Fyre festival, if so the documentary you're referring to is probably "Fyre: The Greatest Party That Never Happened"
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by differentView on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:53PM (#19967018)
Holy shit!
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by 55555 on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:57PM (#19967039)
Save your enthusiasm, those are the fakest numbers I've ever seen. Divide them all by 50. Source: I've paid for a bit of influencer marketing.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by 55555 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @06:06AM (#19968820)
To elaborate to the sibling commenters. Kendall Kardashian got 250k to post to 110MM followers on IG, and it was a scam, so was probably overpaid. But that's 110X what the other comment claims for the going rate.

Just contact some IG pages and see what they are willing to accept. The proliferation of meme pages, fake likes, news feed algos that decide what to show you, everyone wanting to become an influencer, and general inflation (1MM followers is nothing these days) have driven down costs. It's a bit of a lemon market too. I paid around 1/50th or 1/100th of the figures quoted in the other comment. Ofcourse it varies though.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by coldtea on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:58AM (#19968561)
By 50 is equally out of reality, as they are much higher.

>I've paid for a bit of influencer marketing.

Rates depend on the influencer, demographic, industry, and many other factors.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by ddorian43 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @03:27AM (#19968196)
1-10 million impressions isn't $250 000.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by fouc on Monday May 20, 2019 @08:33PM (#19966663)
What if you're a casual instagram user and you end up with 10k followers? But you're not doing anything except posting regular pictures/stories/etc - zero engagement, zero working with any other company/etc.

Would you still be counted as a nano influencer?

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by goldenchrome on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:35PM (#19966938)
That rarely happens because most Instagrammers invest hundreds of hours of grinding work to get their followers (post frequency, posting at a certain times and days, deleting non-performing posts, obsessed with making it to the Explore page, etc). I guess that less than 1% of users with >10k followers got there "naturally".
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by HNLurker2 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @12:29AM (#19967569)
... or just buy them like that guide that was on front-page
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by srpguy on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @06:37PM (#19975840)
Most of my friends who are good at skateboarding or surfing have 2-15k followers, regardless of whether or not they're sponsored.

They do almost no personal branding, they're just well-known in their area. I imagine it's the same for most sports with a lot of participants, save those with a high financial barrier to entry (e.g. racing cars).

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by dontbenebby on Monday May 20, 2019 @06:34PM (#19965980)
Or maybe the market is niche and it's not about the size of the follow count but the quality.

Ex: I don't have an instagram currently, but if I did I'd bet I'd have better chance of selling wireless pineapples than even a "megainfluencer" like Kylie Jenner.

Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by 55555 on Monday May 20, 2019 @10:01PM (#19967054)
No I'm pretty sure Kylie Jenner could sell millions of dollars worth of wireless pineapples tomorrow if she wanted. She could just ask her fans to buy them as a favor to her. and techies follow hot girls too so they'll see the post anyway.
Re:Millions of Instagram influencers had their contact data ... by dontbenebby on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @10:10AM (#19970292)
>techies follow hot girls too

That's a pretty broad statement, not all "techies" are straight males.