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Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by codeulike on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @04:38PM (#19157300)
Its getting weird when you have to fill that box in with pen and paper

Marci Robin was buying a Fiat 500X from a West Palm Beach, Florida dealership, and was in the final stages of signing all the paperwork, when she was presented with a strange but simple question: was she a robot?

This wasn’t online or anything, she was right there, in person, in front of the sales person, who wanted her to check a box, with a pen, on real paper, confirming that she was not, in fact, a robot. She claims she isn’t.

https://jalopnik.com/dealership-makes-woman-sitting-right-in...

edit: and the original tweet: https://twitter.com/MarciRobin/status/998030243981033472

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by zxcvbn4038 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @05:46PM (#19157880)
I had roughly the same problem. My facebook career lasted for all of thirty seconds before they decided I was a robot and banned my account. I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal. Very helpful. So my choices from that point are to 1) shame them in the media and hope its an entertaining enough story that people like it or 2) do something better with my time then facebook. I chose the latter.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by everdev on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @11:15PM (#19159568)
I have received a "suspicious activity" warning on Twitter for any new account I've helped open up over the last year.

You can confirm your identity by entering your phone number and receiving a text.

I feel like it's more of a cheap ploy to get additional info after your first 25 tweets than it is any bot detection algorithm.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by dklsafhjskljfl on Thursday February 14, 2019 @01:13AM (#19159979)
It's not, it's really not. They really do want to verify you're a person.

Facebook got busted using that (security) info for marketing purposes, and the reaction was muted; but, within the security community, it was loud and angry. Within a week, they had ceased completely.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by krageon on Thursday February 14, 2019 @04:59AM (#19160789)
Where are you getting that they ceased completely? This is a large company who has a vetted history of absolutely zero ethical accountability. The reasonable thought is that they learned to hide it better, not that they stopped doing it at all.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by chipperyman573 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:38AM (#19160497)
Don't they still use your phone number you give them for 2FA for advertising? https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/27/yes-facebook-is-using-your...
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by j88439h84 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:54AM (#19160559)
Do you happen to know a source for that?
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by megous on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:51AM (#19160970)
Telling them to fuck off (to the photo request) would have been more human. Following orders is very robot like, you know.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by _pmf_ on Thursday February 14, 2019 @02:40AM (#19160296)
> I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal.

That's the plot of Blade Runner 2.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by mcv on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:40AM (#19160502)
I would have sent them a photo of a robot.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by lloeki on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:08AM (#19160814)
I would have disguised as a robot and sent them a picture of me.

Ironically sending a robot picture is the best proof that you're not one, since robots don't have a sense of humour (yet).

Wait; lightbulb moment; someone has to run a NN against a dad joke DB and learn AI to crack some (like the generated face stuff).

Well this is the internets and all, so I suppose it's been done before but no one would admit to owning such a big enough dad joke DB...

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by tripzilch on Saturday February 16, 2019 @12:01PM (#19179528)
> someone has to run a NN against a dad joke DB and learn AI to crack some

A "that's what she said" detector can be implemented as a two class identification problem. This 2011 describes one algorithm that achieves 71% precision: That's What She Said: Double Entendre Identification https://www.aclweb.org/anthology/P11-2016

I believe they could have done an even better job with better training (and test) data. It seems to me there's a big problem with how they selected the negative examples: one of the sources is a set of racy text messages, which would be rife with positives. They claim TWSS positives are rare in general, but I doubt that holds for a sexy text messages corpus.

Their overall strategy is pretty interesting though (not deep learning).

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by grigjd3 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:58PM (#19159028)
If everyone keeps telling you you're a robot...
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by RegW on Thursday February 14, 2019 @08:27AM (#19161656)
Do you still have all those photos Deckard?
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by dzhiurgis on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @10:24PM (#19159366)
Not an outright ban, but I am unable to use Interactive Brokers client portal (or even signup form) using a regular internet connection. It keeps timing out, logging me out, etc.

Bizarre part is it works fine when I tether via my iPhone.

Also there seems to be growth of websites in NZ that use some sort of Cloudflare-like proxy that very often straight up blocks requests to some simple blogs. Unsure whether it's user agent, ad blocker or my IP is quite dirty, but try to open up www.pointhacks.co.nz and click thru older posts...

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by quickthrower2 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:57PM (#19158370)
> My facebook career

Interesting interview process!

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by werid on Thursday February 14, 2019 @07:01AM (#19161240)
Signing up for facebook, after a short period, they'll lock your account due to suspicious activity, even if you have done nothing (maybe that's suspicous?), and demand a phone number or a photo.

If you sign up and provide a phone number, they'll just demand a photo. Twice. Giving them the same photo seems to work though, and leave your account in peace...

They never accused me of being a robot though.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by defertoreptar on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @07:43PM (#19158650)
Just throwing this out there. Have you considered that maybe you are a robot?
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by FabHK on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @07:53PM (#19158710)
Reasonable. Just look at its name.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by labster on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:27PM (#19158896)
Interesting use of "its" but it is entirely possible that a robot has a preferred set of gender pronouns, and you just mislabeled them. Many of our assumptions support the biopatriarchy.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by Fjolsvith on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:20PM (#19159133)
Robots find the use of "biodiversity" is discriminating.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by adventist on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:07PM (#19159075)
biopatriarchy? Thats a new one for me today!
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by ams6110 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:39PM (#19159216)
Just a keyboard pattern. Not uncommon enough to read anything into it.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by dTal on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:49PM (#19158994)
Well if this isn't just redolent of "The Difference":

https://qntm.org/difference

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by sneak on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @10:53PM (#19159485)
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by chillwaves on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @11:05PM (#19159531)
I tried to get into that film but why does every AI story seem to end with man trying to fuck his creation? I'm over that trope.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by omeid2 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @11:17PM (#19159576)
This may sound bizarre, but to fuck is a fundamental desire of organisms that reproduce sexually, and reproduction is one of the prime objectives of living organisms.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by chillwaves on Saturday February 23, 2019 @11:52PM (#19237197)
I am not sure how fucking a robot has anything to do with reproduction.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by jkestner on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @11:26PM (#19159608)
Either that, or their lack of common sense suggests that they are.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by fargo on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:08PM (#19158804)
The Turing self-test
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by echelon on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:18PM (#19158849)
I know this comment is in jest, but please don't joke on Hacker News as you would on Reddit. Posts like this add little informational content, spawn a thread of joke responses, and take time away from hundreds of people who are here to read high signal commentary.

Sorry to be so profoundly un-fun.

edit: I'm being downvoted, but consider the comment chain this has generated.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by defertoreptar on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:31PM (#19159185)
I checked the HN guidelines, and I didn't see anything about humor. I did find this, though:

> Please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by jancsika on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:08PM (#19159083)
> I know this comment is in jest, but please don't joke on Hacker News as you would on Reddit. Posts like this add little informational content, spawn a thread of joke responses, and take time away from hundreds of people who are here to read high signal commentary.

Here's a challenge:

Create a bot capable of generating and posting content like the above that's attributed to "zxcvbn4038."

The bot doesn't have to be able to get through spam filters or register itself. It just has to take the current state of a forum thread as (part of its) input and output a) content for a post and b) a position in the tree to insert it.

The human bot-author can then try to insert the content into the thread at the given position. If the post doesn't get detected as spam and can avoid downvotes, the bot wins.

The prize is the sheer joy of contradicting what I'm assuming is an HN mod:

> edit: I'm being downvoted, but consider the comment chain this has generated.

Edit: added rule about avoiding downvotes to retain "high signal commentary."

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by jancsika on Friday February 15, 2019 @01:12AM (#19168837)
And it looks like we may already be there:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/feb/14/elon-musk...

Yet some more signal for this thread that started with a joke.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by pault on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:29PM (#19158907)
The occasional exception is reasonable, if the exception is exceptionally clever.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by danmaz74 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:36AM (#19160490)
At the risk of getting downvoted too, I'll second this. Reddit is already a great platform to read fun comments on any possible subject, let's try to keep them differentiated.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by dingaling on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:18AM (#19160839)
Humour is fine here so long as it makes the audience think. Which the comment did.

If mainstream systems suggest that a human is acting like a robot, then what is a robot and what is human? That's pretty profound.

It seems that we're nearing the point that anyone who thinks and acts rationally and contrary to consumptive norms is indistinguishable on a coarse scale from a logical machine.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by throwmeback on Thursday February 14, 2019 @09:45AM (#19162193)
I mean, even Reddit feels less and less like Reddit nowadays...
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by muzani on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:29PM (#19158207)
You could have done both. I'd love to see an article on that.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by shawnz on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:09PM (#19158056)
Were you using an unusual user agent or a VPN or something?
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by codeulike on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:11PM (#19158067)
Twist: he is a robot, and when he sent them a photo, it was a robot photo. Square metal head, lights for eyes, antenna coming out the top. The works.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by dylan604 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:43PM (#19159225)
I would assume a submitted photo of a robot would go over just as well as when I was once asked to add a picture to the company's internal website of employees by our HR dept. I never add photos of me to anything, so instead, in good humor, downloaded a random anonymous silhouette type avatar. That didn't work for them, and I was told "I need a picture of you". So, I open up photoshop, found a generic picture frame online, and added the word YOU inside the frame. Shortly after this, my supervisor comes in to pay me a visit. Some people just have no sense of humor.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by mikro2nd on Thursday February 14, 2019 @04:40AM (#19160729)
In much the same situation, I just said NO. A protracted argument unfolded over the next few days until the matter was settled by me skimming a copy of the Conditions Of Service booklet across the desk and saying, "Show me where it says I have to." Immediate manager was not happy, but it soon blew over.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by jrs235 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @10:28PM (#19159381)
Have someone take a portrait photo of the back of your head.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by z3t4 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:00AM (#19160361)
Or take the photo using a potato. The security at my gym requires a photo id - but you can barely see who's on the picture. It looks to be printed with a dot printer.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by senorjazz on Thursday February 14, 2019 @07:51AM (#19161473)
I don't a real human looks at the photo. It will be CV process that tries to identify the image with whatever word proof was asked to be present.

Hence the high rate of rejections

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by cma on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:24PM (#19158174)
Maybe he isn't a robot, but his given birth name was zxcvbn4038
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by kerneis on Thursday February 14, 2019 @07:28AM (#19161359)
A friend of mine uses a fake last name on Facebook because her real name is Fake, which they refuse to accept as real.

(Her name is actually Faux, which means fake in French.)

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by jacobush on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:41PM (#19158281)
or bobby tables
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by HenryBemis on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:02PM (#19158770)
"Little Bobby Tables we call him..."

That is my favourite XKCD comic!

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by felipemnoa on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @07:35PM (#19158601)
That would have been hilarious! Somebody should try it when they I accuse you of being a robot.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by yorwba on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:30PM (#19158214)
I got banned from Twitter within 5 Minutes of trying to figure out the user interface, and my best guess as to why it happened is that their anomaly detection is overfit to their existing users. So when a new user starts exploring randomly instead of directly going to look at ads, they're behaving much more like a scraper than what the system has learned to recognize as a normal user.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by shawnz on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:46PM (#19158301)
I think that's very unlikely. There are over 100,000 new accounts created on Twitter every day so we would expect a large and frequent amount of bans if what you are saying were true. Furthermore most Twitter visitors don't have accounts so it would be pretty foolish to base their anomaly detection on a metric that most of their visitors fail.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by berdario on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @07:41PM (#19158635)
It's actually well known that you'll get blocked by Twitter within the first 2 minutes of registering, whatever you'll do.

They probably use it as a way to enforce their "soft" requirement of a phone number. After verifying that you have a working phone number, you'll get unblocked.

Also, Twitter routinely renders their tweets unaccessible to non-logged-in users, due to rate limits on their api (which is used by their web frontend).

So, I'm not one bit surprised if anyone would describe Twitter as foolish: that's exactly how they act

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by jammygit on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:31PM (#19159183)
I had Microsoft do this. They notified me that my account was being suspicious, so I needed to provide a phone number to use it. I had literally just made the account though, zero activity at all. It was just to force me to give a phone number to them for their data harvest
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by dylan604 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:48PM (#19159246)
I ran into this with MS as well. However, they explicitly stated that it did not need to be my phone number. So since it was for a work thing, I ask to use my boss' number to get around the lockout. Seemed pretty pointless.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by jsymolon on Thursday February 14, 2019 @08:08AM (#19161558)
One of my land-line numbers is so spam filled, i ignore it and use it as the default phone number for such antics.

I disconnected the ringer so it doesn't bother me.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by gregknicholson on Thursday February 14, 2019 @02:18AM (#19160222)
Welp, it's a good thing these companies don't have a large amount of control over a lot of people's lives. And luckily their business practices are transparent and we all agree they're fair.

This is fine.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by xkcd-sucks on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:23PM (#19159149)
So basically if the phone companies lowered the price of buying number lists then a bunch of web2.0 companies' valuations would evaporate?
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by thaumasiotes on Thursday February 14, 2019 @02:53AM (#19160338)
Hey, I have some experience creating intentionally suspicious Twitter accounts.

There is no phone number requirement. They're just as happy with an email address.

If you provide neither of those, then your account functionality is restricted (with a big obvious banner showing at the top of every page), but you still don't get blocked.

Once I needed to create several accounts at once and then have all but one of them follow the last one. Those accounts got blocked, but it's hard to blame Twitter for that.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by neatcoder on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:46PM (#19159239)
> There are over 100,000 new accounts created on Twitter every day so we would expect a large and frequent amount of bans if what you are saying were true.

That's in fact true. Every single one of my Twitter account that I've created in the last few years have got banned within a few minutes even before I've had a chance to post anything meaningful with the account.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by cbhl on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @07:15PM (#19158473)
I wouldn't be surprised if the anomaly detection is overfit to banned users: comes from Kenya, or Russia, or China. Doesn't initially seed the account with in-person connections. Shares an IPv4 address or telephone number with other folks who have been banned before.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by askvictor on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:11PM (#19158065)
Why would they bother checking the user agent when it's the easiest thing to spoof (really, you probably can't even call it spoofing)
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by shawnz on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:13PM (#19158084)
I'd bet that the vast majority of botters/phishers which Facebook deals with are amateurs. That said, I meant using unusual user agent software, not really just having an unusual user agent string.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by HenryBemis on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:05PM (#19158779)
No need for software, one can easy change it on the about:config of Firefox and/or there are some cool add-ons that can rotate/change the user agent of a Firefox on the "desired frequency"
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by adrianhel on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:05AM (#19160377)
We have a Wordpress site that suddenly saw a surge of hacking attempts. Turns out they all had IE7 user agents. Blocked that, not a problem anymore. Wouldn't surprise me if big sites use simple measures for such simple attack attempts as well.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by rothron on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @04:48PM (#19157401)
This would've made an awesome SciFi short story.

The twist at the end is that she's lying.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by codeulike on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @05:40PM (#19157839)
I can't imagine that a car dealership would even care, as long as they got to sell a car.

"Oh dang, you ticked the 'not a robot' box but you are actually a robot ... Ah, no worries, I'll put a call in to head office, get the paperwork changed. Well, enjoy your car! ... And don't forget to come back in six months for your free oil change! ... for the car, I mean."

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by kaybe on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:34AM (#19160481)
Are there rules against selling to robots? I mean, a great portion of the stock exchange is just that, essentially, no?
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by palunon on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:04AM (#19160805)
Robots can't own property, as they are not recognized as a person.

You may sell to someone represented by a robot, but you're not selling to the robot.

When using a vending machine, your making a trade with the vending machine company, not the machine itself.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by kaybe on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:25AM (#19160867)
Hm, so selling to a robot without someone behind to represent would be extralegal I guess, and if any problems occur during the trade you'd be on your own?

The closest thing would probably trades with wild animals. Are there any laws on that? (Probably not, but the situation is not unthinkable.)

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by likeclockwork on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:21AM (#19160853)
Can a robot be the sole asset, employee, and officer of a corporation?
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by palunon on Monday February 25, 2019 @08:34AM (#19245468)
A robot cannot be an employee or officer of a corporation, you need to be a person for that.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by tzmudzin on Thursday February 14, 2019 @01:56AM (#19160144)
http://www.elib.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Lem.pdf

Definitely one of my favorite reads from my youth days...

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by cortesoft on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @05:59PM (#19157986)
Isn't that basically 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep'?
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by TrevorAustin on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:24PM (#19158170)
I really liked the added wrinkle in Blade Runner 2049 where replicants have to periodically prove that they're sufficiently robotic.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by Kurtz79 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @02:55AM (#19160345)
Also, "Impostor", still by P.K.Dick

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_(short_story)

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by mxtopher on Thursday February 14, 2019 @01:42AM (#19160081)
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by tokyodude on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:19PM (#19158856)
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by rzzzt on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @05:44PM (#19157863)
The salesman is a robot as well.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by pxtail on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:19PM (#19158129)
And the car
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by rzzzt on Thursday February 14, 2019 @01:47AM (#19160102)
The car is buying itself with the money it earned as a cab.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by newsbinator on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:28PM (#19159172)
... but still not the paper form.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by puranjay on Thursday February 14, 2019 @02:40AM (#19160298)
I wonder if in the far future we'll have two androids pretending to be human and trying to fool each other at the same time, only for them to realize that they are both, in fact, robots
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by widforss on Thursday February 14, 2019 @04:32AM (#19160697)
Which is a proper strategy to train robots to be human.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by peeters on Thursday February 14, 2019 @12:32AM (#19159839)
I'm the kind of guy that would be willing to walk away from a sale to test what would happen if I refused to check that box.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by Jill_the_Pill on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @07:28PM (#19158560)
Dealership's just getting ready for autonomous vehicles that try to sneak out.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by INTPenis on Thursday February 14, 2019 @04:01AM (#19160590)
It made for funny headlines but anyone with a little insight into corporate can guess that they simply printed a form from their computer. Likely from their website. A form normally designed to be used online was sent over paper mail and happened to include online elements like captcha.

If anything you should exclude such html elements from the print page with css.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by codeulike on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:15AM (#19160831)
Well yes obviously they had printed out an online form. But they made her fill it in. Thats the funny bit. And yes its clearly to do with employees not quite knowing what to do with the paper version and so just shrugging and say yep you'd better fill it in anyway. Thats all pretty obvious. Its still interesting though, as a little slice of corporate anthropology.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by smelendez on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @06:24PM (#19158172)
Sounds like they're filling out an online form acting as the buyer, which might be in uncharted territory legally, and they want to dot every i.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by opportune on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:11PM (#19158812)
this reminds me of a cargo cult or something. People following strange rituals they observed others perform for no reason
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by blihp on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @09:02PM (#19159053)
Interesting. Not sure if it's a gag or for some sort of handwriting/stroke analysis. Or it could be a variation on the M&M contract clause (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brown-out/) to try to verify that they actually read the contract.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by Sylamore on Thursday February 14, 2019 @01:44AM (#19160089)
I had to do this at CarMax on a recent purchase, it felt as silly as you think it is.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by onetimemanytime on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @11:50PM (#19159702)
>>"...she was right there, in person, in front of the sales person, who wanted her to check a box, with a pen, on real paper, confirming that she was not, in fact, a robot. She claims she isn’t.

All robots claim not to be one, so we must be really careful.

probably printed app from website and the dealer took it literally

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by topmonk on Thursday February 14, 2019 @02:25AM (#19160247)
A better question might be "This sentence is false. True or false?"
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by p1mrx on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:49AM (#19160532)
No.
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by cardiffspaceman on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @11:36PM (#19159648)
I'm left wondering, what if they said you were lying when you ticked the box? What would it mean for the transaction?
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by c3534l on Thursday February 14, 2019 @02:29AM (#19160256)
> She claims she isn’t.

I wonder if the subtlety of that joke will be lost on future generations one day.

Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by mcv on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:51AM (#19160542)
I think the entire story will be lost on some future generation, unless you add to the end: "but perfectly human-like robots didn't even exist back then!"
Re:Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box? by jarjar12 on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @08:01PM (#19158759)
May be They are preparing for the future.

We should start protesting to make sure robots can buy cars.