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Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by danso on Thursday February 07, 2019 @06:14PM (#19109656)
> Well, that got my attention. But not in the way they likely hoped. Any personal embarrassment AMI could cause me takes a back seat because there’s a much more important matter involved here. If in my position I can’t stand up to this kind of extortion, how many people can?

Can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a prominent person post the details of a personal extortion attempt out of defiance for all to see.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by kumarvvr on Thursday February 07, 2019 @09:14PM (#19110856)
AMI picked the wrong person. Jeff, literally, has tons of money, extremely respected in the business world.

Forget about the embarrassment, if he secretly capitulates to this, then the real blackmail material would be the capitulation, not the photos. Cause if the owner of Washington Post bowed down to blackmail, every article published in the article will be called into question.

And who gives a shit if a billionaire cheated on his wife or sent dick pics. I don't care. Did he murder someone? Did he not divorce his wife by parting with half his fortune?

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by Guest10928391 on Friday February 08, 2019 @08:07AM (#19113752)
Agreed, if he gave into the request this time, it would have only escalated. Fast forward in time. Oh, we also want you to remove this article, or stop talking about that subject. If you now disagree, not only will we release the photos, but it'll also become public that you've been our puppet for years, and both you and the Washington Post have no credibility and everything you've written in the past cannot be trusted.

I imagine this was the goal. They have some nude photos which are embarrassing and a chance for them to get in the door. If they could get Bezos and Washington Post to bow down on that, they'd have much more power and leverage going forward that could potentially destroy them both. Bezos called them out, and now all they have are these fairly meaningless Bezos nudes, which are not in the highest of demand.

I heard some people suggesting that it was a really poor move to blackmail Bezos in writing. However, if you believe the above, then it makes perfect sense. They wanted a very clean paper trail of their requests, Bezos and the Washington Post accepting the offer, and the future outcome of those actions. This would provide them with blackmail material much more valuable than the photos.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by int_19h on Friday February 08, 2019 @02:32AM (#19112221)
Looking at descriptions of those photos, I honestly don't understand why it's even such a big deal. And I suspect that it's not nearly as big of a deal to Bezos as the blackmailers thought it would be. Perhaps a little projection at play.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by kumarvvr on Friday February 08, 2019 @02:39AM (#19112244)
It's a big deal because buckling to blackmail will hurt his credibility immensely more.

I think AMI was looking forward to either damage WaPo or want JB to relinquish control of it. The game is WaPo, not JB.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by azeotropic on Friday February 08, 2019 @07:33AM (#19113566)
Who knows why anyone thought it might have been a big deal. I can imagine reasons. Maybe not all the photos were exchanged with Sanchez. Maybe those descriptions are sufficient to identify the photos within Bezos' collection, but the description doesn't include the most salacious details.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by ubermonkey on Friday February 08, 2019 @09:14AM (#19114249)
The whole affair reminds me of nothing so much as that scene in "The Dark Knight" that ends with Lucius Fox saying ". . . and your plan is to blackmail this person? Good luck."
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by EForEndeavour on Friday February 08, 2019 @10:22AM (#19114995)
A masterful performance by Morgan Freeman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUfv32dmVFw
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by panarky on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:41AM (#19111844)
> literally has tons of money

If his keeps his money in $100 bills, then you're right. $136 billion would weigh about 1,230 metric tons.

More likely, his cash consists of electronic entries in bank systems which weigh substantially less.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by kbenson on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:53AM (#19111897)
If you count the weight of the servers required to service all the funds at the institutions his money resides at, and the percentage of his funds compared to the overall amount at that institution, it still might be tons.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by abledon on Friday February 08, 2019 @08:13AM (#19113795)
but what if you only accounted for the drives in the servers that contained the data ? would it still hit that 'multiple ton' threshold
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by eCa on Friday February 08, 2019 @01:21PM (#19117110)
Literally has literally been destroyed:

"Used for emphasis while not being literally true." [1]

[1] https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/literally

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by kall1sto on Friday February 08, 2019 @10:30AM (#19115079)
Also, naked selfies have somewhat become normal in the smartphone age. It's nothing you can shock anybody with anymore...
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by disease on Friday February 08, 2019 @11:03AM (#19115445)
> if he secretly capitulates to this, then the real blackmail material would be the capitulation, not the photos.

I wonder if this was the plan all along.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by rodgerd on Thursday February 07, 2019 @09:57PM (#19111130)
> Did he not divorce his wife by parting with half his fortune?

Half of their fortune. It was communal property.

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Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by throwawaymath on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:00PM (#19111405)
Let’s go ahead and not debate this. You won’t come to a satisfactorily equitable answer, no one will change their minds and we’ll just have a thread of gray comments where nothing of value was gained.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by toomuchtodo on Thursday February 07, 2019 @10:37PM (#19111310)
His wife supported him after he left his IB job to start Amazon. Amazon would not be without her in all probability. I argue Jeff earned half; precisely half, which would otherwise be zero without his wife's 20+ years of support.

https://www.wired.com/story/mackenzie-bezos-amazon-lone-geni...

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by kumarvvr on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:49PM (#19111627)
Not being sarcastic, but support for 20 years, is a bit far fetched. At some point after inception, Amazon was successful, even before it went public.

So are you saying Amazon rose in value because Jeff had the undying support of his wife?

I would say the support helped Jeff until the company was self-sustaining and successful. Of course, without the initial support of his wife, Amazon would not have started in the first place, or perhaps, started a bit late or grow a bit slowly. Think of the counter argument. If Jeff's wife was vehemently against it, Jeff did not start any company, and then after 20 years she divorced him, she would still get a share of his money. Do lawyers then argue that since she did not support him in his endeavors, she ought to bear some of his opportunity cost?

Day to day operations were taken care of by Jeff. Extremely difficult decisions, ones that make or break a company were taken by Jeff. Hiring and firing decisions were taken by Jeff. Vision for the company originated with and sustained by Jeff.

I would not credit the wife with half of everything. Difficult to put a number to the situation. It's just sad.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by toomuchtodo on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:52PM (#19111644)
I don't want this thread to devolve needlessly; in summary:

I treat my wife like my cofounder with an equal share of equity. I wouldn't let my cofounder take anything less than half of the total value of the business if a liquidation/separation/liquidity event occurred, so why would I treat my spousal relationship differently considering the work a relationship requires? If you're concerned about your partner entitled to half as not being equitable, you might consider your partner selection before the division of equity.

This applies whether I'm worth a thousand dollars, or a billion dollars.

EDIT: Was I being judgemental? It was intended more as "Choose Wisely" from Indiana Jones. As you mention sytelus, most of success is luck, but you can make every effort to pick the right partner.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by kumarvvr on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:01AM (#19111692)
I am not commenting on the law. The law says a divorced wife gets half of whatever. I don't care.

What I do care is the notion that the growth and success of Amazon is 50% due to the wife. That I disagree with.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by sytelus on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:16AM (#19111738)
Assume you need atleast $100K to start a business but you have only $90K. Your friend comes around and puts in $10K but only if you are willing to offer 50% ownership. Given no other choices, you agree and work your ass off for next 25 years to grow business to $100B while your friend did nothing else for it.

Does your friend deserve $50B? I am not asking from legal point of view because that answer would be yes. I am asking this from philosophical perspective. Clearly if your friend didn’t lend you $10K, you wouldn’t have your $100B business. But that’s the seed stage only work your friend did. Does he deserve fruits of your 25 years of labor? Does your friend deserve that stack because he took risk without knowledge of how future would turn out?

This is one the deepest question that has huge consequences all the way in to the concept of money, capital, debt, rewards, collaboration and purpose itself.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by jodrellblank on Friday February 08, 2019 @07:52PM (#19119976)
"Who can say how much Randi Zuckerberg is worth?"

"She believes she is worth all her money, she believes she is more than Mark's sister, she believes she has valuable opinions. Anyone who disagrees is a hater. You're just jealous. "No, she's a fool!" Then how come she's so rich?

Those who are enraged by her are actually suffering from the same delusion she is [..] The standard criticism of her is that she didn't really do anything to deserve her money-- "she got rich because of her brother"-- but this is a profound disavowal of the reality: she got rich because of timing-- even though her job at Facebook was trivial, she was there from the beginning and got paid in stock options. What's interesting is that no one makes this criticism of her, because that's what her haters believe is supposed to happen to them.

[..] even her haters want the money to mean retroactively they were already deserving of it, this kind of fortune has bypassed reality testing and instead creates a new reality, it uses the truth in order to lie: of course I'm not rich because of my work product, duh, you can't measure a human being's value based on his labor. I'm rich because that's what I'm worth. "Isn't that specious reasoning?" Oh, dear, sweet, earnest, Lisa, I want to buy your rock.*

And so the hatred of her, like all hate, is revealed to be a defense. To her haters Randi is a buffoon, a step above relationship expert, she is too glaringly undeserving of that money; Randi is an obscene counterexample to the logic that the payout mirrors value and self worth. She is a narcissistic injury for everyone else. So she's disparaged in a specific way: she doesn't deserve all that money because she got it from her brother."

- https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/03/who_can_know_how_muc...

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by toomuchtodo on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:24AM (#19111764)
It's easy (and fun!) to go down the rabbit hole philosophically.

Does Jeff deserve billions of dollars more than the hundreds of thousands of Amazon employees who have collectively built the company? Are their fruits of their labor worth so much less than his, regardless of Jeff's hard business decisions and many more hours per week worked, simply because of how equity is constructed and distributed? Jeff has clearly spent over 20 years building his company, nights, weekends, missed time with family he'll never get back, but can you point to the decisions worth hundreds of millions of dollars to Jeff alone?

Value, its attribution, and its equitable distribution is hard, and executed in an imperfect fashion.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by sytelus on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:36AM (#19111811)
In capitalism, rewards are proportional to how much capital you have (either your own or borrowed), your efforts are minimally material.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by toomuchtodo on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:38AM (#19111822)
But capital alone is no indicator of ownership interest grants (see: advisors or key employees who are granted equity for their contributions [1]).

Rewards in capitalism are to those who can convince others of value provided in exchange for an equity interest; capital is only a small part of that. Lots of equity is sweat equity!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Parker#Facebook

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by amanaplanacanal on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:54AM (#19111901)
Are you personal friends with them? I mean, how would you know?
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by sytelus on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:07AM (#19111714)
I have seen this go both ways. Some spouses give everything for other to succeed while some become extra work in addition to what you already have. Lot depends on circumstances, personallies and loads of luck. Let’s not be judgmental here.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by busterarm on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:27PM (#19111526)
Jeff's parents supported him when he left his hedge fund job at D.E. Shaw. He was a quant and he had been there 4 years. He left his bonus on the table when he left but he was extremely well paid. He wasn't exactly hurting for cash.

It's already well established fact that Jeff's/Amazon's costs in the early days were paid for with his parents' life savings.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by toomuchtodo on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:30PM (#19111546)
You interpreted "support" differently than I:

"The couple was leaving behind a wealthy existence on Manhattan’s Upper West Side, according to Brad Stone, the author of the 2013 book The Everything Store: Jeff Bezos and the Age of Amazon. “They gave up a really comfortable lifestyle and successful careers to move across the country and start something on the internet,” says Stone. “The only reason [Jeff] was able to do that is because he had an extremely supportive spouse. It was an incredible risk and one that they both took on jointly.”

"In a 2010 commencement speech he gave at Princeton, Jeff himself acknowledged the gamble his wife had taken. “I told my wife MacKenzie that I wanted to quit my job and go do this crazy thing that probably wouldn’t work since most startups don’t, and I wasn’t sure what would happen after that,” he said. “MacKenzie … told me I should go for it.” (Amazon did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)"

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by busterarm on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:39PM (#19111571)
And yet spousal support after a divorce isn't in the form of "yes, you should take the extremely risky move of living without my billions of dollars. I support your doing this."
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by toomuchtodo on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:40PM (#19111578)
Such are the perils of a billionaire's marriage dissolving in a community property state. Marriage and living in Washington state are voluntary actions. My argument was for more value of a partner's contributions to business success, regardless of statute.

EDIT: @busterarm: We're not going to agree on what defines "earned", good chat.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by busterarm on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:42PM (#19111590)
Yes, but then regulatory hazard isn't the same thing as earning the money. It's just being entitled to it.

Edit: I'm pretty sure Amazon shareholders won't agree with you about the definition of "earned" either. It's not just cash at stake here, it's voting power. Is that spousal support worth 8.5% control of the company? Up from 0%.

I'm not saying she isn't entitled to it, just that there's a difference between value through entitlement and value through work.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by rtx on Friday February 08, 2019 @01:00AM (#19111920)
It's not 8.5% from 0%. Its 8.5% from 16%.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by Rapzid on Friday February 08, 2019 @01:39AM (#19112051)
Says Stone.

Honestly, I find that this stuff is as romanticized as the Old South.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by everdev on Friday February 08, 2019 @01:37AM (#19112044)
> Jeff earned half; precisely half, which would otherwise be zero without his wife's 20+ years of support.

No, Jeff's wife was not in the room making the business decisions that were needed to be made to amass their fortune.

Let's say she watched the kids and maintained the house with no help. That's a mighty contribution, but there are other stay at home spouses that do that too who would be entitled to far less in a separation solely because of the money their partner has made.

So why does she get billions and the average stay at home divorcee gets thousands? Was her contribution to the family a million times more valuable than the average stay at home spouse?

No, Jeff made the money and she's entitled to half. They both knew that going in and know that now. She didn't earn billions through parenting that was so much better than anyone else or create that much more value than the average spouse, but she is entitled to half by law.

To put it another way, if they had signed a prenup and he had paid her $1000/hr 24/7 for 30 years, she would have earned $262 million. Or about 250 times less than the ~$65 billion she could get.

Instead, she walks away with having made about $290k per hour every hour every day for the 25 years they were married. That's a lot of support.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by clucas on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:36AM (#19111809)
David Letterman laid out the details of a blackmail attempt on air a several years ago. If memory serves, he had been having sex with a young staffer on his show. These sorts of blackmail blowbacks happen from time to time, and it's always people who are very secure - either with money or social status or both - who are able to pull them off.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by lapnitnelav on Thursday February 07, 2019 @06:48PM (#19109871)
Not specifically a big fan of Uncle Jeff but gotta admit it takes some guts to publish such a thing.

Sneaky edit : I'm sure one could not ignore his massive balls on any of the selfies AMI allegedly got their hands on ;)

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by abraae on Thursday February 07, 2019 @07:12PM (#19110009)
Yeah, and he makes a great point - if he can't fight back against this sort of thing, then who the heck ever could?
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by ergothus on Thursday February 07, 2019 @07:28PM (#19110113)
Exactly - I'm trying to imagine being in his place and being open about all of this...and it's HARD. It's easy for me to want HIM to do it, but as much as I think being disgustingly wealthy would be great...I'm sure I'd still be really nervous about pressing that button.

And it's easy for us to say "Well I wouldn't be in that place to begin with", but as I much as I not be in this EXACT place, most of us have made mistakes that we deeply regret and fear getting out, or at least have the capability to. I don't have to assume I'd do this particular set of bad acts to be vulnerable. And once socially vulnerable, would money make it go away? No, not entirely, not enough. So how hard must it be for people who AREN'T disgustingly wealthy? Or even wealthy? Or even well-off?

Heck, with the quality of "deepfakes" or whatever now-a-days, all you need to do is find someone vulnerable to BEING vulnerable, and they don't even have to have done wrong. One marriage that has had no infidelity but is struggling, one person with a child/spouse who is suffering from serious depression/anxiety/suicidal/related issues. "hey, I have these pictures, and if you do X they don't have to see the light of day. You can deny them being real all you want...do you think that will really help?"

Or take the gross spectacle of releasing celebrity sex pics, or even just non-celebrity revenge pics. The only answer is for (1) we as a society to reject attempts to abuse this info and (2) to be less puritanical and judgmental about the victims here. To the Bezos example, one person can do wrong and we can oppose another using it to do wrong against them without condoning any of the original wrong.

Bezos has a hard time doing this, and it's far, far easier for him than for anyone else. I didn't care about his personal life before (note: Not the same as saying it doesn't matter) and I still don't, but even if I did I can find the blackmail efforts repugnant without letting adulterers off the hook.

...but that's hard too. Just not nearly as hard.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by jupp0r on Thursday February 07, 2019 @08:08PM (#19110378)
> most of us have made mistakes that we deeply regret and fear getting out

Agreed, probably Jeff Bezos has made those mistakes as well. However I fail to see any mistakes of his threatened to be revealed.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by munificent on Thursday February 07, 2019 @09:06PM (#19110797)
> However I fail to see any mistakes of his threatened to be revealed.

Cheating on his wife?

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by rhizome on Thursday February 07, 2019 @09:49PM (#19111079)
During what appears to be an amicable divorce? With an age-appropriate woman? I'm not sure that rises to the level of "mistake," and certainly not to blackmailable acts.

AMI way overplayed their hand here, and we may yet find that they had gone all-in.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by doktrin on Friday February 08, 2019 @10:16AM (#19114934)
This isn't the 1950s. The conservative candidate in the last election is literally a serial philanderer. We're way past the point where the public at large is going to wring their hands about hum drum infidelity.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by Digory on Friday February 08, 2019 @09:58AM (#19114713)
Jeff was using company money and contracts to keep his mistress happy. The pictures keep that in the spotlight.

And despite the letter, does anyone think he isn’t spending a big chunk of time on this?

Most Fortune 500 CEOs would be gone or forced into retirement.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by jupp0r on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:01PM (#19116215)
> Jeff was using company money and contracts to keep his mistress happy.

That would mean he literally committed fraud. What's your source for that info?

> And despite the letter, does anyone think he isn’t spending a big chunk of time on this?

Why shouldn't he spend his time on whatever he wants?

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by Digory on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:32PM (#19123480)
> fraud

Blue Origin yanked a super bowl ad after it was disclosed Sanchez was involved in its production team (presumably she was not free, and the ad certainly wasn’t.) It was then shifted to Washington Post at the last minute, with a slapdash ad. [0]

> ... time on whatever he wants?

He can, but that time has to come from somewhere. It’s hard to believe Amazon is getting his full attention. He can own the stock, but I certainly question whether Amazon has a business-focused leader right now.

[0]https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/04/jeff-bezo...

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by petercooper on Thursday February 07, 2019 @06:28PM (#19109729)
I think another interesting thing about these times, compared to when such things may have happened 20+ years ago, is that the photos they've described would cause rather little outrage or attract much beyond a few giggles from the public. Especially if released after their existence is already known about. I think the iCloud leaks of 2014 severely tempered society's salacious demand for more pictures of this nature.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by drcode on Thursday February 07, 2019 @07:52PM (#19110256)
This is especially true because it isn't a matter of hypocrisy: Bezos isn't a political figure or religious authority claiming high moral standards.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by rhizome on Thursday February 07, 2019 @09:51PM (#19111085)
As I read Bezos's post, I noticed that at the section where he describes the photographs, I found myself simply scrolling past them to get to the next part of the story.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by bitexploder on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:01AM (#19111685)
100% — Let’s be realistic. Between two consenting adults is there anything non-violent that is truly that weird? We have a few pleasure bits attached to our bodies. Some people get excited by objects (fetishes). When you step back a level, the window dressing becomes laughably irrelevant. You’ve seen my dick? Oh no. You saw me courting another female? Private, but oh, the horror.... it’s just so silly in the scheme of it all. I would laugh and laugh at anyone that tried to extort me in this way. “Hey team, someone stole some dick picks of mine, don’t look at them if you want eye contact to remain comfortable, lol.” Life goes on. Am I being a little flippant, yeah, but seriously, step back, in 10 years this won’t even be a footnote on his Wikipedia page beyond the fact that he spanked AMI like the bad toddlers they are.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by tomp on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:21AM (#19112402)
Even violent consenting things shouldn’t be weird.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by sobani on Friday February 08, 2019 @05:17AM (#19112921)
> is there anything non-violent that is truly that weird?

Weird and outrageous things I can think of that people have consented to:

- 'playing' with excrement (Gross! this is what the owner of Whole Foods thinks of basic hygiene)

- master slave play (Misogynist Bezos ordered this woman to ...)

- cuckolding (haha Bezos isn't enough of a man to satisfy his girlfriend himself)

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by zrail on Friday February 08, 2019 @07:00AM (#19113420)
None of those are weird or outrageous if all participants are enthusiastically consenting adults.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by sobani on Friday February 08, 2019 @10:10AM (#19114851)
Which of the sample headlines I gave would not cause outrage you think?

Maybe the last one will 'only' cause you to lose the respect and thereby business deals of your peers.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by zrail on Friday February 08, 2019 @11:23AM (#19115690)
"I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything."

--The President of the United States

Everything you mention pales in comparison to the quote above as long as it's between enthusiastically consenting adults.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by doktrin on Friday February 08, 2019 @10:31AM (#19115085)
Outrage? I doubt it, frankly. Max Mosley was literally filmed in 2008 having a BDSM orgy with hookers dressed up in Nazi regalia and even then the reaction was more muted than not. To the extent there was a public outcry it stemmed entirely from the Nazi themes more than the sexual acts themselves. Personally I give that a pass as well, but understand why it would ruffle feathers.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by RandomInteger4 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @10:58PM (#19111397)
Probably more to do with the fact that there's so much high quality porn on the internet that we're honestly desensitized to amateur quality celeb nudes. Briefly intriguing, but overall rather "meh?"

Granted, I could just be projecting, but I don't think I'm alone here.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by drcode on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:05PM (#19111427)
Well, it's sort of weird because I think at one time the thought was that "serious people" would never take a nude of themselves or have affairs, that this kind of action was somehow "beyond the pale" and an action only a few outliers engage in. Nowadays, everyone seems to have decided that these activities are actually very common, though likely still in the minority (I think??)
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by doktrin on Friday February 08, 2019 @10:52AM (#19115323)
By and large, humans are sympathetic when they can empathise - or in other words when they can see themselves in another's shoes. At this point, I'd wager most adults in the developed world have learned that they too have an impressive capacity to grow skeletons in their own digital closet, and adjust their worldview and morality slider accordingly.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by hyperbovine on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:34AM (#19112713)
I think I speak for the majority of humanity when I say I have zero desire to see Jeff Bezos’ package. There’s a reason tabloids stick to celebrities.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by RandomInteger4 on Friday February 08, 2019 @06:41PM (#19119691)
I don't know. To be honest, I'm a tad curious. The prospect of memes comparing him to Johnny Sins and subsequent bezos / Amazon porn parodies seems humorous.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by doktrin on Friday February 08, 2019 @10:22AM (#19114998)
Yeah, AMI really seems to be operating with an outdated world view here, whereas Bezos correctly assessed that the public at large will be more impressed by the act of standing up to a blackmail attempt than they're concerned about his marital fidelity. AMI's going to get dunked hard : being simultaneously amoral and stupid makes them the easiest target in the world.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by c3534l on Friday February 08, 2019 @05:23AM (#19112945)
I remember David Letterman doing just that. Apparently that's the conventional wisdom on this sort of thing: announce it yourself rather than let the other person take the first public move.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by nraynaud on Thursday February 07, 2019 @06:46PM (#19109850)
I guess he had no real choice, there is no way the extortionist would not come back for more.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by fizixer on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:16AM (#19111737)
Maybe a combination of defiance and comic relief:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7f9D4KclJw

(David Letterman talks about an extortion attempt on him)

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by peteforde on Friday February 08, 2019 @01:23AM (#19111996)
David Letterman was being extorted over an affair in 2009.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NaIwHWEE7k

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by unknownkadath on Friday February 08, 2019 @01:32AM (#19112028)
That's some Reynolds Pamphlet biz right there.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by cromwellian on Thursday February 07, 2019 @06:28PM (#19109733)
David Letterman also did it very publicly on his TV show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44QgPty17Mc

This shows the whole Trump/AMI/Campaign org to essentially be a criminal mafia enterprise.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by davidw on Thursday February 07, 2019 @06:52PM (#19109888)
> This shows the whole Trump/AMI/Campaign org to essentially be a criminal mafia enterprise.

There are quite a few connections with organized crime, it turns out. This isn't just a random slur, but something that merits investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/are-trumps-mob-conne...

and of course there's this, too:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/d...

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by cromwellian on Thursday February 07, 2019 @09:17PM (#19110879)
Are the people downvoting this (presumably Trump supporters), that AMI admitted guilt in attempting to influence the 2016 by using their well known tactics to snub a story damaging to the candidate, and that their plea agreement stipulates that they would no longer commit anymore crimes, and that by blackmailing Bezos, they're essentially broken their plea agreement?

This is the very definition of a criminal enterprise. Breaking federal election laws, blackmailing those investigating your crimes. If the connection to the Trump campaign bothers you, that too is factual, given that AMI's agreement involved assistance they gave to the Trump campaign that was illegal, and the owner, David Pecker, is a close personal friend of the President.

There's pretty good circumstantial evidence from this, and the Cohen tapes, that using power and privilege to "deal with" personal or political enemies does not give pause to these people.

Thus, mafia-like behavior.

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Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by dmode on Thursday February 07, 2019 @11:17PM (#19111478)
Def Trump bots. Mention anything negative about Trump and watch the downvotes
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by dang on Friday February 08, 2019 @02:27AM (#19112202)
I think it's that people are allergic to partisan flamebait, with good reason. Also, these comments usually break the site guidelines. So do comments alleging astroturfing and related things (bottage, shillage) without evidence, so could you guys please not post those?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by cromwellian on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:30AM (#19112439)
Except that it is factual that AMI is involved in a criminal enterprise, since they plead guilty to crimes involving improper attempts to influence the 2016 election.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by dang on Friday February 08, 2019 @06:34PM (#19119657)
Ok, but I don't think it changes the point. Facts aren't neutral, because there are infinitely many of them and you have to select which ones to mention. Since different sides prefer different facts, they can just as easily amount to a partisan shot as non-facts can. More, actually.

Beyond that, there is huge variation in how one phrases facts and how they relate to context. None of that is neutral or factual, even if the selected facts themselves are.

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Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by reitzensteinm on Thursday February 07, 2019 @07:02PM (#19109948)
They are threatening to post photos of him sexting. Calling that "just details" is a stunning lack of empathy.

Even if you'd personally be unperturbed by a similar situation, the vast majority of humans would find it humiliating and invasive in the extreme.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by hypochondria on Thursday February 07, 2019 @07:13PM (#19110017)
> They are threatening to post photos of him sexting.

Is a photo published in a disreputable magazine significantly worse than the information already out so far which already got people thinking about him sexting anyway combined with losing custody of ~70 billion dollars in the coming divorce? I'm not so sure. Their privacy was already thoroughly invaded before this latest development.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by reitzensteinm on Thursday February 07, 2019 @07:55PM (#19110277)
It doesn't matter if it's worse. Going through a public divorce doesn't make one stop caring about an invasion of sexual privacy. It doesn't work like that.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by markbnj on Friday February 08, 2019 @02:21AM (#19112181)
> Is a photo published in a disreputable magazine significantly worse than the information already out so far which already got people thinking about him sexting anyway

Yes, unequivocally. I suspect any PR person would agree. You can doubt information published by a disreputable source, but most people believe the images they see, even in this deep faked era.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by scotty79 on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:08AM (#19112584)
I think Jeff Bezos is one the people that wouldn't take a picture with their PHONE if they thought the photo should never ever be leaked to public.

Any photo you take with a connected device can be eventually obtained and published. I hope all the folks here are aware about that.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by buboard on Thursday February 07, 2019 @08:56PM (#19110715)
i don't know if "in the extreme". certainly not extreme enough to be extorted over. There is vastly worse things to be ashamed about, most people understand that other people are not flawless, esp. when it doesn't affect them.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by matt4077 on Thursday February 07, 2019 @07:24PM (#19110094)
It’s really not a scandal to split up with your wife. Or to have sex.

That Pecker and his ilk seem to think it is, is the reason they misjudged this situation so fatally.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by mynameisvlad on Thursday February 07, 2019 @08:23PM (#19110497)
I mean, AMI does publish basically all the gossip-filled tabloids and magazines, so to them, it is the hot new scandal of the year.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by blattimwind on Friday February 08, 2019 @11:13AM (#19115563)
To what bigot is "after a long period of loving exploration and trial separation, we have decided to divorce and continue our shared lives as friends" a scandal?
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by mynameisvlad on Friday February 08, 2019 @11:27AM (#19115752)
Well, to nobody when it's written that way.

But if it was "HOT NEW SCANDAL! You'll NEVER believe who's getting a divorce!!!! Cha-ching!" then I'm sure a lot more people would call it a scandal and be inclined to read about it. Clickbait-y titles have been a thing for a long time, and AMI's (as well as basically all other gossipy) magazines use them practically every issue to try and get you to buy it.