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Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by narrator on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:35PM (#18470820)
There's an easy solution to having too much business : raise prices. I think this is one of A16Z's big insights into most businesses[1]: they don't charge enough.

If you look at the best restaurants in America like the French Laundry in Napa, they charge astronomical ridiculous prices and they still have reservations for months ahead of time. The oldest restaurant in Paris requires you put down a 400 euro deposit just to make a reservation! That these burger joint owners shut down instead of raising prices seems like a huge business mistake. They could have put 50% off coupons in the local newspaper or something if they wanted to make the place available to locals at reasonable prices.

[1] https://a16z.com/2016/08/13/pricing/

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by munificent on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:21PM (#18471665)
This is a classic humans are rational actors and spherical volumes in empty space economic answer, which entirely misses the point.

The restaurants we love, we love for the entire experience, and price is part of that experience. Even for people who can happily afford the higher price, it still results in a different experience. The people around you in the restaurant will be different. Your perception of the value of the meal will be different. Your willingness to try more adventurous items on the menu will be different. The whole thing is not just quantitatively different, but qualitatively different.

A $20 burger is not a $10 burger, regardless of how the two are prepared. If the former is not the experience the chef wants to create for their customers then, no, just raising prices doesn't "solve" the problem.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by afterburner on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:34PM (#18471745)
The customers you made money from when you're starting out don't have to be the same customers you make money from when your restaurant hits the big time.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by ubercow13 on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:22PM (#18472077)
What if you don't want the new customers, you want the original ones
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by blt on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:03PM (#18471933)
some people start a business for reasons more complicated than making the maximum amount of dollars.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by TeMPOraL on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:15PM (#18472026)
At this point it's not about earning money, it's about not getting overworked to death.

Raising prices sounds like the best strategy. You keep raising until the workload returns to normal. If you feel you're serving the wrong customers, you now have time to figure out how to fix that. Otherwise, if people eventually get turned off by the price and your workload goes down, you drop the price, and keep dropping it until you reach a stable point with just the right amount of orders.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by johnmaguire2013 on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:37PM (#18471758)
There's risk associated in shunning your existing clientele in hopes of attracting a newer, more premium clientele.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by masklinn on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:48PM (#18471837)
If clients have to wait hours for a burger, the existing clientele is gone either way. If you end up folding, the existing clientele is hosed anyway.

And as the original commenter noted, you could put coupons in the local newspaper and the library and whatever else, so the locals have access to burgers at the old price.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by kibwen on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:06PM (#18471957)
Or you have someone whose job it is to stand outside and memorize the names and faces of local patrons and turn away any newcomer who can't present an ID with a local address. You can have a second entrance for everyone else, takeout-only, with an hours-long wait, which plenty of food tourists will happily endure.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by somabc on Friday November 16, 2018 @07:57PM (#18473217)
I see you are familiar with Berlin nightclubs!
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by dark567 on Monday November 19, 2018 @12:07PM (#18487813)
Lots of bars have "regulars" that they give unadvertised discounts too. This isn't an unsolved problem, you don't even need to go as far as coupons.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by toofy on Friday November 16, 2018 @07:09PM (#18472991)
I think this is the point many people are seemingly missing.

Ask any family restaurant/bar owner in a seasonal tourist destination and they’ll explain why locals must be one of the first considerations before you make drastic changes. Particularly if an important reason for opening was a personal preference to serve locals over tourists in the first place.

It’s incredibly interesting to see how few people understand that someone may open a business with priorities other than massive growth potential.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by dahauns on Friday November 16, 2018 @07:23PM (#18473050)
>It’s incredibly interesting to see how few people understand that someone may open a business with priorities other than massive growth potential.

It really is interesting, but hardly surprising, given the demographics of this forum. :)

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by sgc on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:44PM (#18471811)
Certainly less risk than just closing up shop.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by lotsofpulp on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:54PM (#18471882)
If there's enough demand, then it should be possible to increase capacity.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by mujoco on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:49PM (#18470954)
Raising prices would reduce the volume of customers, so the restaurant could maintain its quality standard, but Stanich felt his mission was to give back to the local community of regular diners. He didn't want to price out regular, repeat customers from the neighborhood and have only tourists eating there.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by craftyguy on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:51PM (#18470970)
Others in this thread have suggested that the restaurant give locals a 'locals card', which would allow them to purchase food at a more reasonable price.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by willyt on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:05PM (#18471100)
Burger pass. $30 for a burger pass. Gets you burgers for $4 for the rest of the year. or pay $20 for a burger now. You can secretly give out burger passes to locals when the tourists aren't looking.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by jcater on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:36PM (#18471355)
I live in a touristy area with lots of great, but high demand and correspondingly high priced, restaurants.

Several of the local places do "frequent diner/visitor" loyalty cards, where the 5th or 9th meal (for restaurants), coffee (coffee shops), etc are free. This offsets the otherwise high prices charged on menu items.

Also, once a year (during the off season, of course), the local high school sells a booster card that gets a percent discount off for the entire year at numerous local places.

This is of course not unique to a touristy area, but I find myself using them far more often than in other places I've lived.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by lozaning on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:52PM (#18471483)
Smashburger actually had something close to this for a while. SmashPasss, it was like $100 bucks for the right to get a burger a day for 100 days.

https://smashburger.com/smashpass/

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by starshadowx2 on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:53PM (#18472274)
This sounds like a super good idea to me, I really love it. Seems pretty simple but just makes a lot of sense.

Any person travelling just coming by for the "best burger" probably would not want to spend $34 and not use that card anymore so $20 sounds great. Any regular would probably be super cool with paying that extra $30 knowing they can get a burger once a week or whatever for $4. This works out for the restaurant and the regulars, and like you said they can just hand out those cards to anyone for any reason.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by chaostheory on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:20PM (#18471232)
Why not just look at driver's licenses and student ids instead? Disney parks do the same thing - cheaper prices for locals
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by craftyguy on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:33PM (#18471335)
Well, sure, but having the customer flash a card to the employee would save more time than having the customer hand over the card for inspection by an employee.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by stickfigure on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:48PM (#18471437)
...but it would invite a secondary market for these cards. The logistics of fabricating them would suck, and you have to look at an ID to judge if a card should offered anyway.

Plus having special cards feels corporate, not homey. Looking at an ID for locals discount is pretty well trodden ground.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by craftyguy on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:01PM (#18471530)
> but it would invite a secondary market for these cards

There are already markets for fake IDs, so unless you're suggesting that small local restaurants purchase scanners to confirm the authenticity of each ID, it would be relatively easy to circumvent this check too. (Some states require IDs to be scanned for selling alcohol, but many, e.g. in Oregon, do not, and the only check is some employee looking at a card in their hands for a couple of seconds)

> Plus having special cards feels corporate

Not at all. Plenty of local restaurants in my are (Portland, OR) have rewards cards, where you get stamps and a free meal after some amount of stamps.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by wycy on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:11PM (#18471616)
The high prices would be to ward off these one-time customers who are only there for the single instagram photo. If someone is invested enough to make a fake ID just for cheaper burgers, presumably they're going to be repeat customers that develop a relationship with the restaurant, which is what he wants.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by avar on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:25PM (#18472100)
Isn't the mere possession of a fake ID illegal where the restaurant was operating? Whereas buying a coupon from someone isn't.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by chaostheory on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:41PM (#18471394)
Wouldn't checking an already existing ID card be easier vs printing up and distributing specialized cards?
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by craftyguy on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:14PM (#18471633)
The point is, there are ways to distinguish between locals and non-locals. There are merits and drawbacks to having your own ID card vs. using a state ID card.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by jrochkind1 on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:51PM (#18471857)
Also... he was just burned out. An experience many here may identify with. That's why the place is still closed.

It's possible there was something he could have done to make things good again... if he wasn't too burned out by the experience to figure it out and carry it out.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by daveslash on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:55PM (#18471014)
What about raising prices (at the exclusion of the locals), and then using the increased revenue to philanthropically give back to the community in a meaningful way?
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by CocaKoala on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:20PM (#18471231)
Seems like the way he had before was pretty meaningful to the community, given how bummed people sound about the closure.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by geofft on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:19PM (#18471211)
There are some things in a capitalist society that are the domain of philanthropy, and some things that are not. A school or library might be a suitable target of philanthropy, but a burger place or pub or barber shop isn't; there's no way to fund it and have it end up the same sort of place it would be on its own.

At best, it can be a target of a GoFundMe or something - but that's just to pay operating costs. The store itself has to operate like a normal capitalist store for the concept to work, accepting customers, charging money, etc. There is no concept in our society of a non-profit burger joint.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by Haegin on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:18PM (#18471652)
I think daveslash was suggesting the burger joint runs as the for-profit entity that it already is and that it is the source of the philanthropy, not the target.

To give an example, charge exorbitant prices for burgers knowing there are still people desperate enough to try the burger that paying $30 is fine and then use the extra revenue to give back to the community, possibly by paying for the local soccer club to get a new clubhouse, or possibly by providing free/subsidized burgers at local events where the crowd will be local. In this way the business stays open and isn't overwhelmed by the demand, while not completely isolating itself from the local community that the owner wants to give back to.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by geofft on Friday November 16, 2018 @10:12PM (#18473704)
Yes, that is how I understood 'daveslash. My claim is that this fails to accomplish any of the goals of the burger joint's owner: he wants to provide a burger joint for the community, not a soccer club for the community. Saying "Why don't you run a fancy burger place and help the community in other ways than you wanted" isn't actually a solution to anything.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by daveslash on Friday November 16, 2018 @05:24PM (#18472448)
Thank you Haegin for clarifying what I was trying to say.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by pbhjpbhj on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:36PM (#18471357)
Can't you buy a burger place, reduce the price to give zero profit, adjust the price on the fly to ensure zero profit.

Sure you won't necessarily meet demand, but there's no inherent reason quality need suffer(?).

Or, have a coop where staff wages soak up all excess revenue, giving zero profit.

You'd want a contingency, and a savings account if you seek to expand the business, but they're not profit.

We could do that with all businesses I think.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by dcow on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:09PM (#18471589)
I love this idea: zero profit capitalism. Sure some people would abuse savings accounts more than others, but taxing standing profits on a gradually increasing scale the longer they stand (sure the market already does this at a minute level, but it's not enough to deter wealth hoarding) seems like an effective way to solve the wealth extraction problem corporations introduce.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by ryneandal on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:21PM (#18471668)
Brings to mind Paul Newman: https://newmansown.com/
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by ams6110 on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:22PM (#18471677)
Zero-profit capitalism has another name: hobby.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by pbhjpbhj on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:18PM (#18472048)
If it pays for your living it's not a hobby.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by cimmanom on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:38PM (#18471369)
GP is suggesting the burger place become a source (or maybe a conduit) of philanthropy, not a target.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by ryanwaggoner on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:20PM (#18472061)
And how did that work out?

Maybe a better approach would be to jack prices up sky high for tourists and open another burger joint with a different name for locals.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by gilrain on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:54PM (#18471006)
They live in a community. If they raise prices such that their friends and neighbors can not afford to eat there, they will become social pariahs. It would be very difficult to do, and it would alienate the very people they probably wanted to be serving.

If you’re a restaurateur, you probably don’t even live near that restaurant. But this advice is tantamount to: tell your friends and everyone who helped you get where you are that they’re too poor for you, now.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by briandear on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:03PM (#18471082)
It’s called supply and demand. If there is a 5 hour wait, there’s a problem: no local will wait 5 hours for a burger so you exclude them anyway. Price is the best mechanism to address supply and demand.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by cf498 on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:11PM (#18471145)
Thats not a solution for the problem though, if your goal is to keep your old customer base. It is only a solution if you view your restaurant as an investment instead of a passion. The counter example from the article is Paiche.

edit: To give another example, I have a kebab shop in my neighborhood who will not take any orders by phone let alone online. They dont have flyers or a web presence. Its a small street faced window run by an immigrant family who keeps the booth open throughout the day, from 11 to 11 longer or shorter depending on when they are out for the day. Most of the time the place is empty but during mealtimes there is regularly a line for half an hour. For the area, this is extremely well. And they sit right next to two other kebab shops, a pizza place and two asian places with mostly no line, literally the street down in 3 minute walking distance.

The reasonable thing would be to close the shop in the afternoon and take orders in advance, but thats not what they want for their shop. They want to talk and be a place where people meet, despite them not having any tables and not serving any drinks except a tea on the house from time to time.

And their food is absolutely amazing. Home made sauce and bread, it is worth the wait or to eat at 4pm in the afternoon. They dont let them self get rushed and it is always an amazing meal.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by matt4077 on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:40PM (#18472186)
All the successful restaurants I've experienced chose to give preferential treatment to locals and regulars. That's because they often give the place the charme that makes it special in the first place. And that the business is rather cyclical, and you don't want to end up without tourists AND local all hating you.

At the point where you're running 20 tables or more for three rounds every night (plus mabybe 2x lunch) you stop caring about making more money. Because if money were that important, you would have gone into investment banker, not chef.

Plus restaurants tend to get into and out of favour. IT'

And everyone hates tourist. Seriously: if you work anywhere close to tourists, you will hate work because it's full of tourists. Then you take a vacation and start hating yourself.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by hnaccy on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:14PM (#18471175)
Provide a locals only card that gives reduced pricing, could even have a locals only day once a week.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by astrodust on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:20PM (#18471226)
Ten minutes later a "locals only" card goes on eBay.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by goobynight on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:44PM (#18472219)
To what end?

The whole idea is that non-locals are probably going to buy 1 burger per year or perhaps lifetime.

These kind of people don't fiddle with ebay and paying a random guy just to get 25% off of a burger that they will use once.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by slededit on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:41PM (#18471395)
Doesn’t matter. It’s still rate limited.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by Dylan16807 on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:36PM (#18472166)
To who?

Someone that is only going to go there once or twice? Then it won't cause a problem.

Someone that isn't a local, but goes to the place over and over anyway? Consider them an honorary local.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by hnaccy on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:32PM (#18471329)
Check ID address, ban people caught reselling, etc.

Get creative you're now a destination restaurant and can charge $50+ a burger. Or go out of business I guess.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by Haegin on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:20PM (#18471662)
I wonder if you could switch the 'locals only' card for just requiring proof of address on a driving license or utility bill. Might still be a problem with locals offering 'burger tours' - you pay me $10, I buy the burgers for $5 because they'd charge you $20, everyone is happy (except the restaurant).
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by goobynight on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:51PM (#18472259)
There's no need to go that deep.

Imagine you were taking a trip to Dallas. You're taking PTO, paying for flight/hotel, and so on.

Are you really going to waste time buying a local's 30% off card on ebay that you will use once a year? Maybe once in your life? No way.

Even if you did, what is the result? A handful of people hustled you for a few bucks, but still generated profit for your restaurant.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by happymellon on Saturday November 17, 2018 @02:22AM (#18474440)
But then the local doesn't get the discount burger, and the out of towner gets to use it once.

Presumably it would also expire, so it would be that locals loss rather than the restaurants.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by hinkley on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:52PM (#18470987)
Years ago I worked at a place downtown that was blocks away from a Thai restaurant that had a line out the door every day. The place was frenetic, like a zoo. The staff in the kitchen were running around like maniacs, making food as fast as they possibly could. The pictures on the menu above the register were all faded with age.

The food was merely okay. The story was that it was cheap and decent, not good. But as I stood looking at the staff I couldn't help thinking that it would be better for everyone if they raised their prices $2 a plate and just slowed down.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by nightfly on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:37PM (#18471367)
$2 a plate can be enough to price it out of being a reasonable regular option for people. A food cart in a pod near my work moved into a just-as-close physical restaurant and raised their prices by about $2 plate and I went from eating there once every week or two, to maybe once a year.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by MRD85 on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:52PM (#18472270)
In a similar vein we have a lot of bakeries here run by a local Vietnamese population. They do these amazing pork rolls for $5, which is very cheap for food in Australia (A big Mac meal is around $12 for perspective). They are popular because of the price and if they were $7 they would sell far far less.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by ryanwaggoner on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:22PM (#18472073)
You're making the point for them...adding even $1 to the price will ratchet the demand down to reasonable levels, and you'll end up making a little more money with lower stress levels.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by cf498 on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:59PM (#18471518)
Especially if it is at a threshold amount, there even a small hike will scare away customers. While not reasonable, it is a psychological effect. Take the jump from 5€ to 6€. I witnessed the same on myself with a normal dish of fried rice from a take away place. 4,5€ is cheap, 5€ expected, 5,5€ makes no difference, but 6€??

No matter how stupid, the jump by 50cent to 6€ gets me every time. It makes no sense, but I start to calculate what I could get instead on the cheap end. Breakfast to go is the same with 3€ to 3,5€ to 4€. I mean could get a portion of fried rice for 4€! Same goes for pizza or any number of take away items.

It doesnt help that most shop owners arent stupid and optimized for those thresholds.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by throwaway5752 on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:32PM (#18471328)
Yes, but if you read the article that wasn't the problem:

And then, in a quieter voice, he started to explain why it wasn’t just two weeks. He asked me not to reveal the details of that story, but I can say that there were personal problems, the type of serious things that can happen with any family, and would’ve happened regardless of how crowded Stanich’s was

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by InclinedPlane on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:19PM (#18471217)
Yes, this is the classic gentrification problem. Now you've turned a restaurant that locals can visit into a purely tourist attract that only the upper class can enjoy. This solves the problem of the restaurant owners having to close down, but for all the locals the restaurant might as well be gone.

P.S. And then when the next "top N burger joints in America" list comes out that everyone goes crazy for and all the burger-tourists start going somewhere else now you've lost your local customer base and you might go out of business regardless. Raising prices works well if you're a fine dining establishment in a dense metro area and that's the kind of business you expect to run. It doesn't work so well for burger joints or BBQ shacks elevated to a bizarre level of temporary fame.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by antidesitter on Friday November 16, 2018 @08:22PM (#18473309)
> And then when the next "top N burger joints in America" list comes out that everyone goes crazy for and all the burger-tourists start going somewhere else now you've lost your local customer base and you might go out of business regardless.

Then lower your prices again to match demand. It's almost as if prices aren't set in stone.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by InclinedPlane on Saturday November 17, 2018 @10:45PM (#18478774)
You're missing the important detail here: you've destroyed the relationship with your local regulars. They aren't going to return just because prices are affordable, they're going to find other places to be their regular burger shop.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by antidesitter on Sunday November 18, 2018 @04:21PM (#18482606)
> They aren't going to return just because prices are affordable

I seriously doubt it. Do you have any empirical evidence for this?

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by kazinator on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:27PM (#18471288)
I would do it like this: I would create a yearly --- no, make that lifetime membership pass which can be obtained for $30 or whatever. The locals would get this for free. With the membership pass, you would go to a separate lineup which has priority over the regular line up. Then I would work the the same relaxed pace as before, not caring whether 3 people are waiting or 300. The membership pass could make users and their guests eligible for a discount, like 15-25% off. Nothing too drastic.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by megablast on Friday November 16, 2018 @06:22PM (#18472774)
> not caring whether 3 people are waiting or 300.

Maybe you truly can do that, but it is not easy.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by LargeWu on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:50PM (#18470962)
Then this prices out the neighborhood locals who made the place successful in the first place. These are people that the owner and workers know and care about. I think he could care less about the tourists that come in once just to Instagram their "best burger in America".
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by kazinator on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:23PM (#18471259)
It's okay to temporarily price out the locals until the inundation goes away.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by moate on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:56PM (#18471501)
Sure, but then the inundation goes away and the locals won't come back because they got burned already by the long lines and then the price hike. There's no guarantee that plan works.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by felipemnoa on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:44PM (#18471416)
>>Then this prices out the neighborhood locals who made the place successful in the first place.

Did they really make the place successful though? I don't see what exactly they contributed to the business. Had the locals not liked the food they probably would never have returned and would have also told all their friends never to go there.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by cf498 on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:54PM (#18471000)
That poses a substential risk to the business. You are changing your entire customer base over night. If you are a small restaurant like the one in the article, it is unlikely, that your earlier customers will book month in advance, even at half price.

Your old customer base was hopefully working, but your new customers expect the words greatest burger. Can you deliver on that hype?

The owner above payed month of utilities for an empty restaurant and has to make a sizeable investment to cater to that new customerbase.

Unless you didnt have a functioning business model beforehand, this is a real curse and puts your livelihood at stakes.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by Yhippa on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:50PM (#18470967)
It seems to me that Steve was serving a ton of one-time customers and if he did that he would turn off the regulars that helped him get to where he was. You're right in that the technically correct solution would be to raise prices but I can empathize with the owner about how he would probably feel about that.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by hathawsh on Friday November 16, 2018 @01:55PM (#18471008)
In this case, Stanich wanted to serve his community, and if he raised the prices, he would drive away his own community.

If I were Stanich, I would raise the prices but also offer reusable vouchers/coupons to all past customers, friends, and family so they can pay the original prices.

Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by blang on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:03PM (#18471087)
They could also make it reservations only, and control their price and speed.
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by geofft on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:21PM (#18471238)
Making a burger joint reservations-only changes the character of the service significantly. Imagine Twitter saying "We're scaling too fast for our backend to keep up, so we're going to require reservations a day in advance before you tweet so we can throttle the number of requests."
Re:I Found the Best Burger Place in America, Then I Killed It by lazerpants on Friday November 16, 2018 @02:37PM (#18471368)
Not necessarily. I live in a heavily touristed neighborhood in Brooklyn. But I also know the managers at the restaurants I like in the neighborhood. The secret is that these managers hold some tables for walk-ins every night, and that they mostly give them to locals.

I can guarantee you there are famous NYC restaurants in my neighborhood where I can get a table even if there are lines out the door or reservations are completely full.

You just have to live in the neighborhood and actually put some effort forth to introduce yourself to staff and maybe go occasionally when you know it will be slow (like during a snowstorm or holiday). It does require a good manager/host though.