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Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by jxub on Friday October 26, 2018 @05:56AM (#18307938)
Any Czech person around to chim in and shed some light on the implications?
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by TomMarius on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:07AM (#18307981)
Yes, I'm Czech living in Prague. Last 4 years the Prague local government was led by ANO, the party led by StB (communist secret police) member billionaire Andrej Babis. Their campaign was extremely strong then and they won - today Prague is in horrendous state, bridges are literally falling down (2 more just this week), traffic is worse (extremely worse!) than ever due to idiotically planned long roadworks that have to be soon redone and zero construction of much needed infrastructure, the public transport is way worse than it was, taxi mafia is still the same, they caused a huge housing bubble... And on top of that Krnacova calls Prague people who don't like it "whiners", repeatedly and on purpose - she even recently confirmed that it's exactly what she wanted to say.

The major implication for the whole country is that at least Prague citizens are absolutely fed up with ANO - that is important because they dominated the whole country politics for the last 2 periods. Today there are 2 other major parties - ODS (Občansko-demokratická strana, Civic Democracy Party) and the Pirate party. These are the three winners of the recent parliament vote - parliament politics affect local politics a lot in the Czech Republic. If you don't want to vote ANO then you vote ODS if you're more on the right (as in free market) and the Pirate party if you're more on the left. There are basically no other options - the remaining "major" (bigger than others but has almost no influence) party in the country is a racist one. Other previously major parties such as ČSSD (social democracy), KDU-ČSL (the Roman-Catholics) and KSČM (literal communists) have fallen down significantly over last 2 periods, most probably because of their cooperation with ANO.

Pirates have a good track record as far as local politics go, but it's a relatively new party and they only participated in smaller cities/villages so far (on top of their recent entry to parliament). This person is completely unknown. Let's see.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by saiya-jin on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:21AM (#18308550)
Basically the problem of whole east europe (although we like to call ourselves central europe) - too much crap left over communist rule and twisted mentality (ie everybody for themselves, screw the rest). Extremely rich individuals openly influencing politics, laughing at the cameras and enjoying being in spotlight.

Prague is a beautiful city to visit, be it for a weekend or a week. But living there long term sucks - most of the Prague apart from historical centre is properly fugly, as soviet-style architecture is still all over the place, cramped high rise residential areas with high criminality, little nature around (major mountains are > 500km away, sea even further), Czech love to constantly complain and moan about almost everything (it really gets to you after some time). Gap between rich (ie IT workers, managers) and rest of population is big and widening, people constantly hate politics but vote an a-hole after a-hole for last 20 years. So rich often discuss how to shield themselves financially from the rest of country, politics and economy as much as possible - not an indication of paradise. Half of the country is xenophobic and/or racist (although ie Roma question is a complex one).

I've worked there for couple of years, to be successful in IT was trivial due to constant lack of senior people, from what I heard its even worse now due to massive off/near shoring of multinationals. When looking back, moving away was one of the best decisions of my life and major step up in quality of life.

Of course there are positive aspects, just like everywhere. Professionals (I can judge IT) are smart and work hard, beer is the best there is (for me) and as mentioned its a great starting point for career. There are people who consider it the best place for them. Interestingly, none I know in this category lived abroad for longer to properly compare.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by yread on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:53AM (#18308715)
No nature in Prague? Where did you move that's better? There is lots of nature within Prague: Petrin, Prokop Udoli, Divoka Sarka, Stromovka, Krcsky les, Kunraticky les, Hostivar, Milicovsky les,... Mountains (Krkonose... but you can ski there) are like 120km away. And there is lots of other nature areas within 100km, hills, valleys, rock formations, castles, dams.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by saiya-jin on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:08AM (#18309332)
Yeah, true but some of us have higher expectations. Krkonose is the best you can get there, I would call them hills. Beautiful hills, but nothing close to mountains like Tatras/Alps, nor the experience of being there, or doing some more serious adventures. Around Prague its desperately flat, good maybe for road bike.

But that's me, I love these high altitude places, and based on amount of Czech you can meet anywhere in the Alps even people there love them. The thing is, high mountains are the last place of true wilderness, rest has been conquered and cultivated long time ago and is usually just a substitute for things that were.

I've met people in Prague that didn't get this, they were asking what the heck am I doing in those stupid mountains. Everybody is different, the only thing important is to be happy with where you are. I've found my place (Switzerland, in 45 minutes drive I am right under Mont Blanc).

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by expertentipp on Saturday October 27, 2018 @11:42AM (#18316217)
I agree with the most of the above. Although the city is beautiful and has many green areas, renting in these areas is out of reach without heavy research and one is more likely to end up in the sad and gray districts. Attractive areas are basically inhabited by tourists and rich kids from Scandinavia and Anglophone countries, having some fun, trying to find a partner (and end up dissappointed - stop watching so much porn, kids!), then moving back after a year or two.

The nature of the outsourcing/nearshoring industry sets the top limit for the salaries at ~90k CZK annually and imply problems with finding senior professionals.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by foobarian on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:46AM (#18308675)
> Czech love to constantly complain and moan about almost everything

Funny, so do all ex-Yugoslavs, and I understand Russians do too. Could be some kind of Slav thing. Or communist :-)

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by dirktheman on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:03AM (#18309293)
Trust me, when it comes to complaining about trivial things, you can't beat the Dutch. They live in this incredibly well run country but still complain about everything all the time. It's crazy. Oh, wait...
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by elbear on Friday October 26, 2018 @09:12AM (#18308836)
Ex-communist probably. Romanians also like to complain. I think it's what people do when they feel powerless. They don't see what else to do other than complaining. Problem is you tend to complain even when you could do something about it.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by TomMarius on Friday October 26, 2018 @09:09AM (#18308814)
Definitely a side effect of communism, you can see how different it was if you read older literature, newspapers etc. The comparison can be made between Eastern and Western Germans.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by petre on Saturday October 27, 2018 @02:39AM (#18314625)
Post-communist rather. Romanians also complain a lot, the grass is always greener in the neighbour's lot, if they do associate they'll most likely screw it up as every person pulls in a different direction (for themselves).

It's quite saddening to read CZ has similar issues. We've been in CZ in 2007 and Prague in 2017. I liked Prague a lot in 2007, not so much after ten years.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by runn1ng on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:45AM (#18308104)
Taxi mafia is the only thing I don't agree with. Uber shaked that up pretty well.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by Amygaz on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:39AM (#18308634)
Price-wise is Uber competitive or is it for the top 10% ?
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by TomMarius on Friday October 26, 2018 @09:12AM (#18308831)
It's not for the top 10%. It's on the more expensive side of things but a software engineer should be able to afford it. There are other companies like Taxify or Liftago that are cheaper. The public transport works pretty well as well, you don't need to use taxis much if you live here.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by drej on Friday October 26, 2018 @09:35AM (#18309026)
But Software engineers are in the top 10%.

(I'm a software engineer and use Uber in Prague every week or two.)

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by TomMarius on Friday October 26, 2018 @09:47AM (#18309144)
Maybe you're right. Somewhere in this discussion someone was talking about disconnect between the rich and the poor and to be completely honest, I'm completely disconnected. Everyone around me can afford it, I don't know anyone who can't except for my family members who are retired.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by runn1ng on Friday October 26, 2018 @09:52AM (#18309188)
It is cheaper than taxis on average.

There are local companies that are a bit cheaper, as others have already said.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by jaxtellerSoA on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:08PM (#18311092)
> If you don't want to vote ANO then you vote ODS if you're more on the right (as in free market) and the Pirate party if you're more on the left.

Can you explain more what the platform of the "Pirate" party is? As an American I would have thought the the "Pirate" party would be far right libertarian (free market, downsize government, reduce or eliminate taxes).

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by slim on Friday October 26, 2018 @05:21PM (#18312798)
Pirates are different un each country. Because pirates are free
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by lozaning on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:38PM (#18313222)
The code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by _Tev on Friday October 26, 2018 @09:32PM (#18313883)
They're right in the center of the Cz political scene.

The context is that we have very big gov't with lot of benefits, and (kind of, it's complicated) high taxes.

In such situation left has nowhere else to go (defending status quo is not very popular), so it's full of (often stupid) populists.

"Intellectual" elite is heavily leaning right, to the point of being anti-populist (they are regularly sacrificing votes just to virtue signal).

Pirates seem like a non-bullshit party that tries to stray from both extremes. They had some PR fails (they sometimes seem amateurish), but mostly seem to be really good alternative for people wanting to limit the gov't but not cut it to little pieces.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by TomMarius on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:16PM (#18311169)
In the Czech Republic they're center to left, definitely not free market/libertarian. They propose government control of many issues like for example shared economy or housing, banking etc.

At the same time yes, they propose to downsize the government and tax reduction, but not elimination. They also propose digitalization of government and reduction of bureaucracy, but they also want that as a base to build more control on.

Many specifics of the Czech Republic are at play here, since the party is no longer a minor one and at the same time is the only major "non traditional" one (no historical baggage including people - actually that's very important) that isn't Babiš (ANO, but everyone knows the party is him, basically - including people in the party who went public), it attracts the interest of many very different people ranging from left wing radicals to free market anarchists; people who weren't as "radical" (they're not radical at all but definitely more than other parties) rather joined ODS (right, major party), ČSSD (left, almost irrelevant) or TOP09 (center, now totally irrelevant).

Then the free market anarchists created their own party (Svobodní - "The Free Ones", never even became relevant except a very tiny little bit of relevance in the EU parliament) and the result is that Pirate party is more leftist. Sadly soon after conservatives have "attacked" (joined and changed the program) the party and made it conservative, and a lot of previously pro-free market people became conservative because of the immigration crisis and rapidly increasing EU influence that nobody here really likes, left or right (these same issues also gave rise to the fourth biggest party SPD, which is an openly racist pro-russian one, luckily they're largely irrelevant except for municipal politics in few places).

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by snidane on Saturday October 27, 2018 @05:04AM (#18314945)
Your disdain for Krnacova [ANO] is palpable. Typical for Praguer, similar to disdain for Trump in major liberal US cities.

You make them look like they actively go around destroying bridges. One footwalk collapsed by accident and people rushed to investigate other bridges to prevent another collapse. Of course they found them in state of crumbling down so obviously tehy had to be shut down/prepared for reconstruction. You attribute the blame to ANO while it was more due to chance.

You listen too much to house development lobby if you attribute the housing bubble to them. It'm more likely caused by global historically low interest rates.

The taxi mafia question is hardly going to be solved unless the next government has economic understanding of the problem. By appeasing to all parties involved they can hardly move it forward.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by Latteland on Saturday October 27, 2018 @01:46PM (#18316825)
Well, where on earth have the billionaire "tough" leaders been good for their country? Is there even a single example where someone is a billionaire, not in government who wins political power and does a good thing? In eastern Europe there's this additional common situation of rich billionaires who got their money from dodgy or likely illegal practices - they adopt nationalism because it benefits them to attack the naive and "weak" democratic governments. Think Putin.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by Tsubasachan on Saturday October 27, 2018 @08:12PM (#18318409)
Its funny ain't it? How quickly the plebs run out to vote for some plutocrat. And such men of the people they claim to be!
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by rebolek on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:03AM (#18307965)
Czech here. We will see. He's totally unknown, without any experience in politics. But after the previous disastrous mayor, it's pretty hard to be worse.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by 1wd on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:28AM (#18308060)
According to [1] the previous mayor was Adriana Krnáčová [2]. There's not much information there. Can you elaborate why she was disastrous? There seems to be a connection to the Blanka tunnel complex [3]?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_municipal_election,_201... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriana_Krn%C3%A1%C4%8Dov%C3%A... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanka_tunnel_complex

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by runn1ng on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:43AM (#18308100)
From my point of view: most building and development were stopped or stuck, so prices of flats skyrocketed and infrastructure was not maintained.

Part of reason was overreaction to the mayor who built the tunnel - the construction was overpriced and took 10 times the time it should, so mayors after him were afraid to invest too much in infrastructure at all. Which had negative effects in bridges falling apart, and city being in permanent traffic jam.

My other point of view: I used to be active member of Czech Pirate Party years ago when it was small, and it is still a little funny and frightening to me at the same time that those people will be responsible for city of 1 million people. But, what's the worse that can happen...

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by martinwww on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:02AM (#18308443)
Well it will be hard for him as reconstruction of Barrandov bridge should start within 2 years. It's major road for transit in/around Prague.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by tombuben on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:52AM (#18308134)
Blanka tunnels is an older issue, but under Krnáčová the entire Prague traffic system basically collapsed. There are frequent traffic jams and basically all bridges are in disastrous state.

Libeň bridge, one of the only few Cubist style bridges in the world, has been closed for past two years, Troja pedestrian bridge collapsed last year and just a few days ago it turned out another bridge has to be collapsed and rebuilt from scratch.

Add to that the fact that she called the people complaining about the traffic issues "zpovykaní" or whiners and that adds up to a lot of people not liking her at all.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by qwerty456127 on Friday October 26, 2018 @07:54AM (#18308406)
> so prices of flats skyrocketed

This was amazing. A friend of mine has bought a humble flat and got 100% profit on the investment in just a couple of years! What are the chances the prices are going to fall significantly? Should I advice him to sell now?

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by roel_v on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:58AM (#18308753)
Probably best to not advise anyone based on random comments from some dude/dudette on the internet...
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by qwerty456127 on Sunday October 28, 2018 @11:30PM (#18324860)
It's usually nice to advice as long as you don't insist you're right and as long as the person you advice doesn't follow your advices blindly but just takes your opinion and the observations behind it in consideration. For some people that can't handle advices the right way a misleading (and the chances it's misleading are always high) advice can be very harmful but for others advices from reasonable people that know what they're saying can be a valuable source of information. Anyway, that was me who has told him "my opinion is you should buy this flat now!" to remove his hesitations and it turned out a huge win, I feel like I should also provide a clue when to sell to secure it perhaps.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by czechdeveloper on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:42AM (#18308648)
If you compare Prague prices to local salaries, they are crazy inflated. But if you compare it to other european capitals, it's not so bad. I don't think that prices will collapse any time soon.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by satai on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:10AM (#18308476)
Hard to say...
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by chaotic_clanger on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:33AM (#18308608)
i do not think the bridges did degrade suddenly, you need decades of neglect. so this is not work of one major.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by analog31 on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:15AM (#18308509)
Is there any relationship to the Pirate party in Iceland?
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by slim on Friday October 26, 2018 @05:37PM (#18312891)
Yes all pirate parties are connected. There's even a gouvernance body https://pp-international.net
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by RivieraKid on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:18AM (#18308526)
I voted for the Pirates but actually hoped that the leader of another party in the coalition, Jan Čižinský, would become tha mayor. He has proven himself to be a successful and effective manager when he was in charge of Prague 7. Hřib was never in such a high level position.

Regarding the implications, all 3 parties in the coalition mostly agree about everything. I'm happy about the result and about ANO losing.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by azag0 on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:54AM (#18308724)
Let's hope then that Hřib is sensible enough that if he finds out he's not up to the job in the process, he'll cede it to Čižinský
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by dejv on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:54AM (#18308140)
We will see, pirate party here is growing up and this is their first important role. It might end up great or they might get eaten by old school mafia type business people.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by deusex_ on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:51AM (#18308131)
There's a joke going on that the Pirate Party is the IT department of the communist party.

In general the trouble with Pirates is unpredictability. They are very socially liberal, but economically and geopolitically they attract a wide mix of opinions. The have a higher incidence of conspiration theorist, they have a strong anti-US base, and in general they avoid to address these topics since it cannot pass the internal voting that is part of their control structure. In communal politics it does not have so severe implications, so the biggest question is how fit he is managerial wise.

The new mayor was virtually unknown before the election, it's just a gamble at this moment and everybody is "let's wait and see, can't be worse than the previous arrogant mayor Krnacova from ANO"

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by AsyncAwait on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:15AM (#18309997)
> There's a joke going on that the Pirate Party is the IT department of the communist party.

Yes, because in Eastern Europe, if you're even slightly left, or don't agree with U.S. on everything, you must be a communist.

Apparently from one block to the other.

As someone from that part of the world, I generally find it annoying that people automatically assume left == communist because of the Soviet past. As a result, we mostly have only right-wing or neoliberal type parties in Eastern Europe, because if you propose any sort of social democracy, you'd end up being attached to communism.

I view it as very unfortunate and simplistic. As in, communism didn't work out, let's run waaay to the right. Oh, right is bad? Let's run even further to the right, that outta fix it!

(Failing to realize that what you really dislike is authoritarianism, which these all share.)

How about a social democracy? The Scandinavian model? Market economy with strong social programs.

So you could start a business without being absolutely mortified about what'd happen if it fails, for example? How else is the overall standard of living supposed to improve over there? Corporate tax cuts and trickle-down economics has been tried, it doesn't work.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by TomMarius on Friday October 26, 2018 @02:20PM (#18311608)
Social security is one thing, but the Czech Pirate Party doesn't want just that. Actually social security is not even on their current program, they have different leftist ideas they try to implement like governmental control of shared economy, housing, ...

So to answer your point, how do you start a business while being mortified whether you're breaking some law and whether what you're doing is even allowed at all, and whether you'll become unable to pay all the taxes and afford all the compliance required, and whether your business will become illegal next year (happened to many people here already, it's absolutely not an irrelevant fear - actually Airbnb is the livelihood of many people in Prague and the Pirate party essentially wants to destroy or at least very significantly impact their businesses)?

That's why we have the joke. Not because everything left is automatically bad - ČSSD was the leading party for many years as well as KDU-ČSL. There is no party that stands for the Nordic model.

And people don't like the USA here, btw.

However...

> (Failing to realize that what you really dislike is authoritarianism, which these all share.)

... completely agreed on that.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by AsyncAwait on Friday October 26, 2018 @03:51PM (#18312240)
ČSSD as well as KDU-ČSL are very much centre/-right parties, which is what I meant by neoliberal. They're not left, they're part of the problem. This is like the Democrats in the U.S. They don't actually represent the left, they got co-opted by the same interests as the Rebuplicans + they don't hate gays, (great, but a low bar).

So in essence these sorts of parties are no different than the right ones, they stand for incrementalism+cronyism and because incrementalism doesn't work for many people they turn to the right as a result.

If you think to Bernie Sanders vs Hillary Clinton, parties like ČSSD and KDU-ČSL represent the Hillary type, but what you really need on the left is the Bernie, or even better, Jeremy Corbyn type of person/party.

I agree that corrupt bureaucracy is a problem, but breaking barriers to entry for small/medium businesses is on top of the left-wing agenda in parts of the world where real left actually is, that's why when you think of European startups, you think Scandinavia.

> There is no party that stands for the Nordic model.

That's because the Nordic model is a nuanced one and from my experience you get shouted at as if you're a communist if you ever mention it in Eastern Europe, mostly because people don't understand it, but it's hard to even make your case without getting attacked.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by fjsolwmv on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:07AM (#18308463)
Communist, or Anarchist?
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by sodomak on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:32AM (#18308601)
They are not anarchists, just leftists.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by a-saleh on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:18AM (#18308531)
That is the thing. Nobody knows yet. So far from what I have actually seen in their actions, there are more along the lines of mild-mannered dreadlocked bureaucrats with technological-streak.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by megous on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:57AM (#18309787)
Not even Czech people can read the future. All I hope for is that he will lead well. The important thing here is the change in the leading coalition.

Prague is also divided into smaller parts, that have their own leadership, and that is also important for individual citizens. In the part where I live, I was quite happy with how it changed in the last 4 years. There were things that were built, that improved my life, and there were public and priate projects started that will improve it even further. Even on the whole city level, the public transport got significantly cheaper 3 years ago.

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by druidcz on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:09AM (#18307991)
Honestly I don't know why this should even be on HN. Disclaimer: I don't live in Prague.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by DiabloD3 on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:13AM (#18308003)
He's a member of the Pirate Party, the (unofficial?) party of HN. I can't see why this wouldn't be on here.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by druidcz on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:28AM (#18308058)
OK, I was not aware of this political aspect of HN.
Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by netsharc on Friday October 26, 2018 @07:02AM (#18308182)
Pirate Party was founded to bring attention to copyright law (and the effect the internet was having) to government: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/02/rick-falkvinge-i... , which is probably an issue any computer hacker has an opinion on.

On a slightly off-topic note, I've been playing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided the last few weeks, which takes place in Prague, so this headline made me wonder for a moment if I was in-game...

Re:Pirate Party Leader to Be Prague mayor by skrebbel on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:18AM (#18308022)
Well it's a welcome change from the usual local SF politics.