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Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by perlgeek on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:39PM (#18233037)
Speaking of fascinating emoji stories, I'd recommend this good old favorite: an entomologist rates ant emojis http://curlicuecal.tumblr.com/post/175362924100/an-entomolog...
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by oneeyedpigeon on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:46PM (#18233104)
I loved this and now I want more emoji reviews!
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by jf- on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:36PM (#18233004)
This is the most important bagel-related news I’ve read all day.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by notatoad on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:39PM (#18233032)
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by yellowapple on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @10:35PM (#18235650)
Or those too bigoted to tolerate lactose.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by txsoftwaredev on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:00PM (#18233226)
99% Invisible did a great podcast episode about emojis a while back.

"Tech analysts estimate that over six billion emojis are sent each day. Emojis, which started off as a collection of low-resolution pixelated images from Japan, have become a well-established and graphically sophisticated part of everyday global communication.

But who decides what emojis are available to users, and who makes the actual designs? Independent radio and film producer Mark Bramhill took it upon himself to find out and, in the process, ended up developing and pitching his own idea for a new emoji."

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/person-lotus-position...

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by aportnoy on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:34PM (#18232997)
This just in:

Apple has released a new version of its forthcoming bagel emoji. Now including cream-cheese, this aims to address concerns raised about the previous design.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by IvyMike on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:04PM (#18233251)
Apple emojis are too photorealistic--they really feel like they should be more cartoony. Right now they're solidly in the emoji uncanny valley.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by function_seven on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:12PM (#18233320)
It's the uncanny bagel hole.

I agree. Almost seems lazy to take a photo and call it an emoji. It might not actually be a photo, but the effect is the same. No style, no interpretation.

Imagine if the face emojis were just head shots of various stock photo models.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by mywittyname on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:34PM (#18232996)
People sure have strong opinions on pointless matters.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by talltimtom on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:47PM (#18233589)
Bikesheding. Not many know of or understand the complicated politics of the Middle East and even many of those who do might not have strong oppinions.... but everyone understands bagels.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by mywittyname on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:57PM (#18233653)
TIL. I always wondered if there was a name for this phenomenon.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:18PM (#18233366)
Really, shouldn't the base bagel emoji be a bare bagel, with combining modifiers for different fillings?
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by FavouriteColour on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:44PM (#18233574)
I would love for this to happen.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by drcongo on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:44PM (#18233085)
How was anyone criticising the old Apple bagel when the Twitter and Microsoft ones exist?
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by bradleybuda on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:47PM (#18233115)
I cannot believe that a Twitter designer was actually proud enough of that bagel emoji to claim credit for it and "walk them through" the design process.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by drcongo on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @07:56AM (#18238099)
Surely it's a Weeto?
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by abnry on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:46PM (#18233100)
To the complainers about this story: It is interesting because a major tech company changed communication standards in response to public outcry.

How many stories are about tech companies pointlessly responding to outcry? Or making silly changes?

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by aportnoy on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:41PM (#18233053)
On a serious note, here's a cool story about Apple's emoji:

https://medium.com/@agzmn/the-making-of-apples-emoji-how-des...

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by cgb223 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:29PM (#18233860)
I predict at least one blog response to this claiming this emoji isn't fair to the lactose intolerant
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by sehugg on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:55PM (#18233170)
Gosh, there's more depth in that layer of cream cheese than in the entire iOS 7 interface remake.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by kuon on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:01PM (#18233232)
I put ham, salad, tomato, pickles, cheese (real one, I'm swiss) and a bit of ketchup and vegetable sauce.

This is not my emoji!!

Joke aside, this is interesting how much attention emojis get from people. This is the first time I see some UI/UX item concerning users that much.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by kiechu on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:51PM (#18233140)
Yet another first world problem solved. Phew...
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by GrumpyNl on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:32PM (#18232978)
Im getting old, cant wrap my head around this and its getting first page at HN.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by askafriend on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:35PM (#18233002)
What is there to wrap your head around?

You can send people a cute little bagel when you message them. It's funny. It's entertaining. Makes life a little more interesting.

Don't lose your sense of humor, or get too jaded as you age. The world has it's flaws but I hope we can all find some small joy in things like emoji.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by 0xffff2 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:40PM (#18233047)
It's not that. The question is who cares whether the cute little bagel has cream cheese or not?
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by function_seven on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:53PM (#18233159)
Do you routinely eat bagels dry? I don't think most of us do.

Having the emoji show a barren surface is a great insult to those of us who enjoy bagels. It was not cute until they fixed this terrible error.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by sebazzz on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:52PM (#18233149)
It is a good thing I suppose, it means some of us don't have bigger worries than that.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by jarfil on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:29PM (#18233457)
Not all that good when there are quite the few bigger worries affecting all of us... but some would rather care about what's on a bagel emoji.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by oneeyedpigeon on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:59AM (#18237053)
Just because people care about one thing, it doesn't mean that they don't care about other things, or even that they care less about other things.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by toyg on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:42PM (#18233061)
> Makes life a little more interesting

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Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by dx87 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:43PM (#18233073)
Me neither. It reminds me of a post I saw a while ago where a Google employee was super excited to announce the redesign of their salad emoji. The only difference was that they removed the hard boiled egg from the emoji because they said it wasn't inclusive enough of vegans and vegetarians.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by oneeyedpigeon on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:00AM (#18237055)
Vegetarians eat eggs.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by throwaway5752 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:33PM (#18232986)
No, really, I would like to cosign with your comment. Who in the f--k needs a bagel emoji? Who is picky about that emoji? How did I even lose 15 seconds to commenting about this?
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by wild_preference on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:42PM (#18233059)
Because you care enough to make it about you and signal to the rest of us how little you ostensibly care. You found a way to feed your ego from a silly post about bagel emoji.

I know that's a hard take, but that's exactly what just happened, disgusted under a thin veil of protest. We do it all the time. ;)

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by throwaway5752 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:40PM (#18233539)
I think you're giving me too much credit.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by reaperducer on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:40PM (#18233044)
Who in the f--k needs a bagel emoji?

People who live in New York. Or Palm Springs. Or a few other cities I can think of would certainly use it more than the sushi emoticon.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by astrange on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:07PM (#18233716)
I need it in California so I can explain why the bread toruses in Safeway aren't real bagels.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by Sharlin on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:42PM (#18233068)
I wonder how many nouns will eventually get their own pictogram. How abstract can you go? Or verbs and adjectives, for that matter. After all, there's plenty of room in Unicode.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by gnulinux on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:44PM (#18233084)
I mean, emoji was never meant to be serious. Why would I wanna send my friend bunch of yellow faces or a tiny image of bagel if I'm being serious? Just entertainment.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by reaperducer on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:38PM (#18233029)
IIRC, Google fixing its magic beer emoticon was one of the high points of a recent developer's conference.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by vanadium on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:34PM (#18232998)
Chalk it up to where we're at in 2018, I suppose.
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Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by dang on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:26PM (#18245682)
Yikes. Please don't post like this here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by jryan49 on Thursday October 18, 2018 @11:39AM (#18249226)
Sorry, go ahead and delete it if you want to
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by lostgame on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:40PM (#18233048)
I don’t consider myself a jaded individual; but that this is #3 right now on HN’s front page bewilders and confuses me.

I feel like I could go into /new/ and find at least a couple articles more relevant and interesting than this.

The average HN’er may tolerate this post, and maybe 5-10% might actually care, but there’s a huge amount of the developer community I’ve seen that mostly just looks down on emoji as a frankly immature way to communicate. Emoji-related news is often beleaguered with comments akin to this one, and this time it’s my turn, I suppose.

This news may matter to my partner and I, to have another meme to screw with. It may matter to a perhaps younger or less tech-centric group.

But developers, hackers, and startup folks? Really?

How does the front page pick it’s content? I assume algorithmically?

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by LeoPanthera on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:43PM (#18233074)
Why does HN have to be so serious all the time? I for one am totally OK with the occasional light-hearted piece.

> frankly immature way to communicate

And this is vaguely insulting to the vast majority of smartphone and/or internet users.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by lostgame on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:50PM (#18233130)
We can have light-hearted pieces that are actually relevant to tech or science in an interesting, or meaningful way.

Also, again, my partner and I use emoji all the time, but I absolutely certainly do not when communicating with other developers, clients, or anything with an air of professionality.

Case in point: HN does not support emoji. Or, if it does, certainly nobody uses them. And it is certainly not a feature I’ve seen requested here.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by function_seven on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:57PM (#18233195)
I don't think you understand what "light-hearted" means...

The whole point is that it doesn't have to be relevant to tech or science in a meaningful way.

I also don't use emoji when communicating with clients or in anything that should carry a professional tone. But I'm also a person with a personal life and personal friends and so on.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by cobythedog on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:53PM (#18233156)
I wish I could use an eye-roll emoji right now...
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by zorpner on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:47PM (#18233111)
mostly just looks down on emoji as a frankly immature way to communicate.

When you see something popular that you don't understand, the answer is never that people are stupid/immature/etc. It's that they have incentives and impulses that you don't yet understand. Choosing to dismiss those people, instead of seeking to understand why they're doing what they're doing, means that there are motives in play you don't comprehend, which means that there are opportunities you can't take advantage of because you don't understand what's actually happening.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by mikestew on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:11PM (#18233314)
but there’s a huge amount of the developer community I’ve seen that mostly just looks down on emoji as a frankly immature way to communicate

You know, I was willing to just scroll to the bottom of the comments, then go find something else to read between builds. But if it pisses off those Grumpy Gus's, well, I guess I'll scroll baaaaack to the top and click the up arrow just to help make sure it stays at #3.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by bemmu on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:49PM (#18233122)
I found it interesting to learn that all these companies are re-drawing all of these emoji in different ways, that there is actually a site that writes news about emoji, and that people turn out to hold strong views on these matters.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by paulcole on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:43PM (#18233072)
> I don’t consider myself a jaded individual

Time to reconsider he said jadedly.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by rconti on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:44PM (#18233075)
I basically hate emoji, and this is sort of why; when my ascii smilie faces started getting translated into, frankly, horribly ugly emoji that looked nothing like what I wanted to convey, it changed the meaning of what I was 'saying', and in a different way for each platform.

I recognize that this is naive; just because I 'see' an ascii smilie one way doesn't mean others interpret it the same way, but I prefer that illusion to someone else's version being forced on me.

At least in something like Slack, I know the user is getting what I'm choosing.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by askafriend on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:37PM (#18233516)
Developers, hackers, and startup folks are people. People like to be entertained.

This is quite entertaining especially as someone who lives in the west coast and has a few east coast friends with strong bagel and pizza preferences. It's entertaining because it's a discussion about culture, which is easy to miss if you don't accept that Emoji are quickly becoming culture.

Entertainment has value, humor has value, and silliness has value (clearly, something HN may not get). This is the difference between something sterile and something human.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by comboy on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:42PM (#18233067)
I think it's being sarcastically upvoted. I joined.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by coolspot on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:44PM (#18233083)
Fresh hot posts appear on the top of the front page for some time.

As post ages, it needs more upvotes to stay on the FP.

It prevents some posts to occupy top for too long.

Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by jf- on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:42PM (#18233065)
Maybe they think it’s funny?
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by andun on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:44PM (#18233080)
On the other hand, writing self-righteous comments about how superior you are for seeing emojis as immature is very mature.
Re:Apple Fixes Bagel Emoji by 5minbreak on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:54PM (#18233164)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%F0%9F%8D%A0 progress (HN does not like emoji's it strips them: cool URL's don't change)