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Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by lysp on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @10:30AM (#17400832)
About 30 years ago in Australia There was a competition at the local shopping centre. Spend $20 at any shop in the centre, show your receipt and you get a chance to win the displayed car.

The chance involved folding a paper plane, and then trying to get it into the car through the sunroof. Which was only open a small crack.

A friend of the family tried about 5 times over the day and never got close.

They came back quite drunk at the end of the day to have one last go. Threw the plane and instead of going over the top of the car, it accidentally slammed directly into the front windscreen. It then rebounded straight up in the air and then dropped straight down through the sunroof.

They walked away with the car.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by gregpilling on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @10:36AM (#17400881)
There are companies that specialize in insuring risks like that. It is a whole sub industry of insuring unlikely to win contests.

https://www.holeinoneinsurance.com/how-much-does-it-cost.htm...

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by braythwayt on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:16AM (#17401199)
Way back in the day, I had a reinsurance company as a client. For those unfamiliar, reinsurance companies insure insurance companies.

For example, they might insure a standard insurance company for automobile accidents, with a $1,000,000 deductible. So the retail insurance company handles payouts up to a million dollars, but when there's a really wild claim, the reinsurance company pays the insurance company for anything over a million.

They end up specializing in rare events that involve large payouts, so they also did things like the hole-in-one insurance you mention above, very common with charity gold tournaments.

They had many stories to tell, including the fellow who played a lot of golf and collected three hole-in-one payouts, and another story about a truck that went off a mountain road, slid down and blocked train tracks, causing a train derailment, with a town below the train that needed to be evacuated.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by Zetaphor on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:39AM (#17401453)
Who insures the reinsurance company?
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by btilly on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:47PM (#17402138)
Berkshire Hathaway.

Per https://www.reuters.com/article/us-berkshire-buffett-insuran..., they are planning for handling a potential $400 billion catastrophe.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by Retric on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:58PM (#17403553)
'Berkshire would lose only about $12 billion' aka they expect to be able to cover their share of such a catastrophe.

Hurricane Katrina (2005) was up at 160 Billion and Harvey (2017) hit 125 billion. So 400 Billion is just at the upper end of the expected range.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by blang on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:09PM (#17402316)
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by gcb0 on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @12:44AM (#17405815)
> insure the payout for a US$10 million premium.

wouldn't actually giving out the $11mi to the consumer, or picking 10 consumers, create more brand awareness than promising $1bi that nobody can get?

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by btilly on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @03:03PM (#17410844)
What makes you think that nobody can get the billion?

Insurance policies require you to pay a certain amount guaranteed, then pay back a much larger amount if something unlikely happens. So Pepsi had to pay $10 million. If the right thing happened during the game then Berkshire Hathaway would have paid a billion, and some lucky consumer would have walked away a newly minted billionaire.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by kolpa on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:05PM (#17404662)
The article sort of implies but is unclear.

Berkshire's General Re does reinsurance, not re-"reinsurance". Is there a recursive step -- Could General Re face a claim that it needs to leans on the rest of Berkshire to pay?

The article says its insurance companies face a 2 percent chance of being "$12 billion" insolvent, which Berkshire could cover from non-insurance profits. But would that still be true if the claims came in, or would the non-insurance companies also have correlated down years? I suppose Berkshire Hathaway is big enough that if it came down to it, it could liquidate equity ($500B minus devaluation due to whatever catastrophe) to make good on claims.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by ggg9990 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:17PM (#17404934)
No way that Berkshire pays a $500b claim. They would find a way to stick the US taxpayer with the bill as many smaller companies have done before them.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by alasdair_ on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @03:41AM (#17406419)
Lloyds of London also do this.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by patrickg_zill on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:27PM (#17404972)
reinsurance is also a nice way to reduce a company's taxes, and to hold money offshore. Many reinsurance companies are owned by another company; but the "re" is incorporated in a low or no tax jurisdiction such as Cayman Islands or Bermuda.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by jon-wood on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:48PM (#17403098)
Bizarrely it’s sometimes another division of the same reinsurance company.

I work for an insurer and got talking with one of our pricing guys who told me about a case where one of the big multinationals had one division which was way under it’s predicted claims volume for the year, and another that was over. To rebalance the risk the US division ended up insuring the EU division.

Another story that night was about a reinsurer that through several departments taking on different risks ended up on the hook for a dockyard which caught fire catastrophically. And all the goods in that dockyard. And the boat which started the fire.

That evening led to my drunken catchphrase: “fucking insurance”, said ever more enthusiastically.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by ohyes on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:44AM (#17401499)
It’s reinsurance companies all the way down.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by TimTheTinker on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:02PM (#17401689)
Their names eventually converge toward variants of "Turtle Insurance".
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by stickfigure on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:39PM (#17403016)
...and "Department Of The Treasury"
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by kolpa on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:07PM (#17404665)
... the US taxpayer
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by guelo on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:40PM (#17405024)
actually ...our grandkids. since baby boomers keep voting for deficit-financed tax cuts.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by TimTheTinker on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @12:54PM (#17409761)
Turtles all the way into the future? :-/
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by kozikow on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:13PM (#17402353)
It eventually ends on a reinsurance company that can shoulder insane amounts of risk, e.g. Munich Re, Berkshire Hathaway, Swiss Re etc.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by lostlogin on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:26PM (#17402478)
They are doing it wrong - socialise that risk. Here in New Zealand when a big insurer has something bad happen (eg an earthquake flattens a big city) you get bailed out by the government. Departing staff still got big payouts in that era too, so it doesn’t seem to impose any stringent criteria on companies too. AMI specifically. Sarcasm aplenty in this comment.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by simonbyrne on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:46PM (#17402630)
Even reinsurance has limits, and large earthquakes on major metropolitan centres are basically the one thing that will exceed them (floods can be bad too, but the risks are more predictable, and are often excluded from policies in high-risk areas).

The only alternative to the "government backstop" is that insurers will refuse to write policies or will exclude earthquake risk (in which case the government may need to set up it's own scheme, e.g. in CEA insurance in California).

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by Max_aaa on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:53PM (#17403136)
NZ does have the EQC.

https://www.eqc.govt.nz/

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by InvisibleCities on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @12:13AM (#17405704)
Reinsurance funds typically market themselves as a source of alpha for large institutional investors. The reinsurance company sells bonds that promise a relatively high rate of return, with the caveat that in the event that the fund needs to pay out a large claim, the value of the bond may be nullified.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by VectorLock on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:15PM (#17402377)
Wow I'd love to hear some of those stories. What a largely unknown, esoteric and hugely interesting industry.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by braythwayt on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:48PM (#17402643)
They used to talk about anti-selection (a/k/a "adverse selection"). For example, if a retail insurer has no reinsurance, it has to incorporate both the probability of claims and the distribution of payout sizes.

But if they have reinsurance, the payouts are 'clipped' at their deductible. This means that they have an incentive to take on clients that are less likely to have any sort of accident, even if when they do have an accident, it has catastrophic consequences.

This means that a reinsurance company cannot rely on the overall statistics for claims, because the insurance companies that buy reinsurance price their products with reinsurance in mind. The people unlikely to run into massive claims will end up in pools where the retail insurance company doesn't buy reinsurance.

So they have to carefully price the reinsurance to account for the fact that the insurance company is packaging their most reinsurance-sensitive pool of customers together.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by VectorLock on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @04:51PM (#17403880)
That was not the kind of story I was expecting but was far more interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by acct1771 on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @06:41PM (#17412503)
You just described the finance industry as well.

You can save yourself a lot of adjectives by saying "dirty".

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by nickjj on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:50PM (#17403508)
A few years ago I was in charge of monitoring a hole in one contest for a golf tournament.

Anyone who got a hole in one was to receive $10,000. All I had to do was hang out in the shade and not get killed from golf balls while watching everyone's attempts.

I asked the tournament official where that 10k comes from, and he said from an insurance agency. They paid $200 insurance. No one ended up getting a hole in one that day.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by jcl on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @05:01PM (#17403958)
Apparently some golf players even carry hole-in-one insurance against themselves, to cover the unexpected cost of the traditional celebratory round of drinks for everyone in the club afterwards.

https://priceonomics.com/why-golfers-buy-hole-in-one-insuran...

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by mathattack on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @10:51AM (#17401004)
If I recall, there was a basketball one where the insurance company didn’t want to pay because the shooter had paid college ball. The team wound up paying to avoid the PR disaster.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by cobbzilla on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:41AM (#17401478)
YES! This was at a Chicago Bulls game in the late 90's iirc. I watched the game on TV. The shot was from the free-throw line to the basket on the opposite end of the court. The guy shot one handed, wheeling his arm around wide to throw the ball with a great arc.

It took a few seconds to travel through the air, and from the moment he released the ball the crowd was silent - we could all see it was looking on-target. It went through the hoop! It barely nicked the rim on its way down, so after it went through it ricocheted hard to one side, in my memory it was a near 90-degree turn.

The crowd went wild. Everyone was thrilled to finally see someone win that prize. I don't remember how much it was, but I do remember it was a very large cash prize.

And then, like you said, the next day the prize company said they wouldn't pay because there was some stipulation that participants could not have played any pro or college basketball. Public sentiment turned harshly on the team - you see, to take away his prize would be to invalidate the joyful moment we all shared watching that shot. If he didn't win, what the heck did we just see?

I don't know if the insurance company changed their minds or if the team just ate the cost of the prize, but it didn't take long for the Bulls to realize what was the right thing to do, and do it.

Thanks for bringing back these fun memories.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by maccam94 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:37PM (#17402571)
Here's a video of the shot: https://youtu.be/Q_k1qg6_9f4?t=1m10s
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by mathattack on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:52AM (#17401573)
Thank You! I was pretty sure it was the Bulls but I couldn’t find it after 3 or 4 Google searches, and chalked it up to too much drinking in college.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by dec0dedab0de on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:59PM (#17402236)
I found a story about it, if anyone is curious

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1993/04/18/Chicago-Bulls-Millio...

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by cobbzilla on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:34PM (#17402546)
It is interesting. It took me a while to find an article that described his "near disqualification" [1]. Am I imagining things, or is it like all the top results, even for an event so long ago, are tilted towards "of course he'll get the money, who said otherwise?" But clearly it was said. Maybe it was a risky play by the prize company to rope in the team & some partners into chipping in to pay for the loss, which might have crippled them [2]. And then a lot of spin after the fact by the team to save face. They were forced to legitimize a shady move by a business partner, who threatened their reputation. Some rough lines to FB/CA?

"It takes time to make up a hit like this . . . but I know this will generate enough business to cover the loss."

[1] https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4165888.html

[2] http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-04-16/news/930518041...

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by kolpa on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:11PM (#17404679)
For $1m, the Bulls could avoid to pay it, and should, since they violated the terms of their insurance contract, and they are a huge profitable professional business, not a rube.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by Sohcahtoa82 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @06:00PM (#17404321)
> Calhoun said he would not be quitting his job as a sales associate at the Reliable Office Superstore in Bloomington

Anyone that thought he could quit his job needs some math lessons and financial education. $1M isn't enough to retire if you're under 30, especially when taxes come out.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by kolpa on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:10PM (#17404673)
"quitting your job" is not "retiring", and $1M in 1993 generates a decent enough amount of long term interest for a low cost of living area.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by MisterOctober on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:50PM (#17405056)
^ it would also solidly cover educational expenses and income loss, etc, in the event one wanted to change careers. One could move to the industry of one's choosing with that kind of cushion.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by cobbzilla on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:15PM (#17405139)
The prize was paid out at $50k/year for 20 years. After taxes, that could cover a modest living in many parts of the country, but I'd agree that is not "quit your job/retire" money, even in the 90's.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by andrewem on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:58PM (#17405265)
The story calls him a "A $5-an-hour office supply store salesman", so at 2,000 hours a year it's $10,000. That makes the gross prize money five times his salary.

He could easily have paid for someone to attend Harvard on the prize money (https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1990/3/20/ivy-tuition-rat...).

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by astura on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:06PM (#17403214)
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by technofiend on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:18AM (#17401218)
There's a furniture salesman here in Houston who makes heavy use of that sort of promotion. His latest if you spend $3,000 on a mattress and the Astros win the "2018 baseball final championship series" you'll be refunded the purchase price.

Not sure why it's worded so formally; must be a legal thing.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by ssharp on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:46PM (#17403080)
Last year, a window company in Cleveland ran a special where if the Indians had a 15-game winning any time after August 1st, anyone who used the company in July would have their money refunded.

The Indians ended up with a 22-game winning streak during that period, resulting in around $2 million in refunds. The insurance for that was $75,000. I remember calculating the probability of winning 15 games in a row any time over a ~55 game period and the insurance company seemed like they were getting a great deal!

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by dpiers on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:28AM (#17401334)
Terms like “Super Bowl” and “World Series” are trademarked, so advertisers use phrases like “the Big Game” or “baseball final championship series”, in this case, to avoid a lawsuit.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by schoen on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:33PM (#17402006)
I wonder why it wouldn't be nominative fair use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use

Maybe I have to learn more about this doctrine.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by dpiers on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:39PM (#17402063)
The NFL has aggressively litigated uses of their trademarks, to the point where you might technically be allowed to do something, but realistically it isn’t worth the trouble.

https://www.thedsmgroup.com/super-bowl-trademark-copyright-2...

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by walrus01 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @06:53PM (#17404610)
You can also run a really superb, owl themed event.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Superbowl/

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by matt_the_bass on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @10:02AM (#17408162)
This is awesome! Thanks for sharing. I’m sure to reference this next season.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by paulie_a on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:00PM (#17404863)
The Olympics are down right evil when it comes to selecting cities. They will require long standing businesses to change their names of it is related to certain terms.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by rrauenza on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:08PM (#17402310)
I'm trying to recall the Mancini Mattress (Bay Area) ad -- something like "If we can't beat the price, the mattress is free!" I'm thinking ... ohhh... I bet they always somehow manage to beat the price!
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by karthikb on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:57PM (#17403540)
Many stores will have custom SKU or model IDs, so a mattress that is physically identical and cheaper somewhere else is actually a different product per the paperwork...
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by rrauenza on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @04:08PM (#17403611)
Even if they didn't (and they do!), I'm pretty sure they'd sell it for a penny cheaper rather than make it free. The claim in the ad was nonsensical..
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by artificial on Friday June 29, 2018 @10:33AM (#17424731)
Yes, the way they do that is having specific mattresses that are only produced for them. So for example, let's call it Dreamliner XL 2000, this mattress isn't manufactured by anyone else, even if there are Dreamliners sold by other vendors it isn't that model, hence the bold claim. Whee!
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by franze on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @02:35AM (#17406182)
well, if 2 people need a mattress it's easy:

person A buys mattress. sells it to person B for 1 cent

person B (or A, not disclosed in ad) gets mattress for less then 1c

A&B split total cost

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by logfromblammo on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:06PM (#17401740)
$3000 on a mattress? WTF? How is that even possible for such a highly commoditized good?
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by floatrock on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:28PM (#17401952)
Freakonomics podcast did an episode on it: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/mattress-store-bubble/

That's also exactly why Casper and a half dozen other upstarts have come out with the memory-foam mailed-to-you-in-a-vacuum-tube online mattress sales.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by fwip on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:50PM (#17402663)
The conclusion of the podcast was "If you spend $800 you're probably safe, below that it's hard to know if it's good or awful. Above $1500 is too much."
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by lotsofpulp on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:42PM (#17403456)
Considering Marriott/Hilton/IHG requires their hotels to use a 10 year warrantied mattress that only costs $250-$300 each, I'd say even $800 is too high. Even though that's wholesale price, doubling should be enough to get a single unit price.

People would be better off investing in some HIIT cardio excercise if they're looking for a good night's sleep. And eating less / more nutritious food.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by wutbrodo on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:52PM (#17405253)
Exercising and eating right aren't 100% fungible with money. That's not even close to the blocking factor for most people.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by s17n on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @02:19PM (#17410482)
The extra $300 is what you pay for going with a reputable brand, because unlike Marriott, you don't have the time to figure out which off-brand mattresses are crap and which aren't.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by ZainRiz on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @08:43PM (#17413164)
Book a room at the Marriott, go in, rip the sheets off the bed, check the manufacturer on the mattress tag, go buy your mattress from them.

(And enjoy the rest of your night in the hotel)

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by lotsofpulp on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @09:09PM (#17413282)
They're not off brand, they're Temper-Sealy or Simmons.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by s17n on Friday June 29, 2018 @01:47PM (#17426171)
In that case, your assertion that "doubling should be sufficient to get single unit price" was wrong, cause you aren't going to get a queen from either of those companies for $500.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by mrbill on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:45PM (#17403063)
My current mattress is a $900 kingsize Casper.

It replaced a 10-year-old Tempurpedic that cost around $4K.

The Casper is a better mattress in EVERY WAY so far (had it since 2015).

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by shoo on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:31PM (#17401988)
I do agree.

Mattress sellers love the value based sales pitch: how much would you pay for 1 hour extra sleep per night? Maybe paying $10/hour for extra sleep for one year is a bargain in some contexts, then you have a payback period of < 1 year, even for a ridiculously overpriced mattress.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by im3w1l on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:55PM (#17402206)
The difference between a $200 mattress and the best in the world is way less than 1h per night.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by logfromblammo on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:57PM (#17402705)
Not to mention that I have taken some pretty rockin' naps in hammocks of various sizes, the cheapest of which was $4.99, and packed down into a twist of netting smaller than my fist. But to be fair, the two appropriately-spaced trees required for that one were not included.

The mattress is by no means the only way to get a complete and restful night of sleep, and past a certain materials threshold, you can't get longer or better quality sleep with any amount of upgrades to your mattress. The marginal cost is likely better spent by buying light bulbs that phase out blue light in your evenings, or by taking melatonin supplements, or with a therapy device for sleep apnea, or blackout curtains, or any number of other supposedly sleep-improving products. At a certain cost point, you might as well climb into a spa-grade float tank, or dangle from your back-piercings, or sleep in a bounce castle.

I think that there is probably a bigger difference in sleep quality between a $300 mattress and a $500 mattress than between the $500 mattress and a $3000 mattress. Once the specific concerns that typically interrupt sleep are addressed, the returns diminish fast. There is no way I am losing an hour of sleep every night just because my mattress isn't good enough.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by chipotle_coyote on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:26PM (#17403352)
I think that there is probably a bigger difference in sleep quality between a $300 mattress and a $500 mattress than between the $500 mattress and a $3000 mattress.

That seems awfully likely to me, too. I paid around $650 for a full-sized Sealy pillowtop something-or-other, apparently aimed at the hotel market, from an online mattress store some years ago, and it's been fine -- at least as comfortable as the ($800 in the early 1990s) Stearns & Foster it replaced. It's possible the Sealy won't last as long as the S&F did -- at least back then, the latter had a reputation for top-notch build quality -- but I have a lot of trouble envisioning any mattress in that size class being worth over $1000, let alone $3000.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by komali2 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:24PM (#17404723)
I get a just fine sleep on the ground with nothing more than a 100$ air pad, and I've done better in the sand sometimes.

Not for everyone though, but I bet if I could get them sleeping similarly from a young age, it would be.

1.3billion Chinese sleep on essentially padded wood just fine, for example.

Sex is a big plus for a mattress, though. On a padded wood Chinese "bed" it's just fucking horrible for whoever's on top's knees/elbows/wrists/contact points.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by seanp2k2 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:45PM (#17402127)
You can get IKEA mattresses for a couple hundred bucks and they’re OK, but having upgraded to a really nice cal king latex foam mattress a few years ago, it’s now hard to sleep anywhere else ( https://www.flobeds.com for those curious — arrived at this after tons of research, easy to move since it comes apart into pieces that fit into contractor trash bags and ships in vacuum sealed bags — no box spring either )
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by listenallyall on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:49PM (#17404809)
I love my IKEA Hesstun. 2 separate sets of coils (I prefer springs to memory foam), a comparable design from the major brands was about twice the price. IKEA offers a transparent profile view (i.e. the inside of the mattress) for every mattress they sell, and you can lie on every one for hours without a single salesperson bothering you. 365-day exchange policy, longer than any of the stores I visited was offering (IKEA allows exchanges, but not refunds on mattresses). People knock IKEA but I do not believe my mattress is inferior in build quality to an assembly-line mattress from Sealy, Simmons, etc.

I know my mattress has low ratings online -- this is meaningless, all the review sites are just commissioned salespeople for the online brands (Casper, Purple, etc), so of course those sites discourage you from buying from IKEA.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by munificent on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:35PM (#17402032)
Because it's worth spending money on any product that your spends a third of its life on and which can directly affect your health.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by rootusrootus on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:16PM (#17402390)
I have the same philosophy about office chairs.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by mrbill on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:46PM (#17403076)
Mattresses (Casper), office chairs (Steelcase LEAP), keyboards (something with Cherry MX Brown switches).

I spend the majority of my life using these bits so I buy quality.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by namibj on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @04:06PM (#17403603)
Do you have any arguments to convince an employer to buy Cherry MX Brown (style) keyboards, instead of <15$ flimsy, flat membrane ones?
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by Spivak on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @06:20PM (#17404417)
I feel like it's much less effort to just bring your own. If you're into mechanical keyboards I'm willing to bet you have an old one lying around. Especially since the preference for keys is so personal.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by namibj on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @11:12AM (#17408759)
Yeah, I wish, though the only nice full-size keyboard I have laying around is a Sidewinder X4, which is out of production and about half as tactile as the Chinese-made MX brown clones in the AnnePro.

The value proposition for me doesn't really exist enough to spend out-of-pocket though. Mostly due to not reaping the benefits from increased efficiency.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by mrbill on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @10:16PM (#17405334)
I usually brought my own keyboards (you can get one with MX browns or mx brown clones for $35-75 on amazon) to whatever job.. but at this one they saw my keyboard, said "Budget of $100, spec out whatever you want, and we'll order it."

The guy said "$150 for a keyboard and mouse of someone's choice, amortized over a year or two, is a tiny price to pay to keep our people happy."

I ended up with a Das 4C board at work (with browns) and a custom double-shot keycap set (bought out of my own pocket).

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by rootusrootus on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @09:44PM (#17413443)
That's the type of company I prefer to work for. Given how much they are spending on salary, quibbling over a decent quality keyboard & mouse raises red flags.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by paulie_a on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:04PM (#17404892)
Im worried about the health of the company if it can't afford a slightly more expensive keyboard that will last years and make me more productive.

If that is a big ticket item I would wonder if they are in serious trouble or it's just a shitty place to work for. A managers response to a request like that should be "here's the corporate card" or "submit the receipt for reimbursement"

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by namibj on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @11:07AM (#17408702)
No, it's more related to the manager/boss not understanding the value of a good keyboard. I asked about how to convince the employer of the value. The employer can certainly afford it, but he needs to understand why it's a good investment.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by Coincoin on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:54PM (#17403142)
My father used to tell me: "Don't skimp on your bed, your chair and your car tires."
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by Casseres on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @04:26PM (#17403716)
I've heard it as basically: anything that seperates you from the ground.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by komali2 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:28PM (#17404740)
That theory worked for me for everything

Motorcycle gear

Tires

Boots

Climbing gear

And then I got into hammocking, and nothing seems to beat my first, a Bear Butt I got for 50$. Seems the more expensive they get, they lose out on just being big nice expansive hammocks with silky smooth material. So not a hard rule I guess!

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by nkantar on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:40PM (#17402078)
The mattress world—like just about every other, I imagine—is crazy: https://www.gimletmedia.com/surprisingly-awesome/12-mattress...
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by alasdair_ on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @03:46AM (#17406442)
>$3000 on a mattress? WTF? How is that even possible for such a highly commoditized good?

I paid close to $3000 for a sleep number matress with adjustable firmness for each side. Still use it every day fifteen years later and think it was well worth the money.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by mkbkn on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @06:38AM (#17407116)
In India, my family spent Rs. 500 (about $8) for a custom-made mattress, that's filled with high-quality cotton tightly stuffed into it. No foam whatsoever. 30 years later, it's still rocking.

Almost everyone here in India uses custom-made mattresses. Foam-based products are of recent launches and not many people use that. Only younger generations.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by meotai on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @06:21PM (#17404425)
Not just the mattress; the bed furniture counts towards the $3,000 too. So $2k for the tempurpedic & you can hit $3k easily.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by mgr86 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:57PM (#17403169)
Something like that was happening in New England this spring

"Buy anything at Jordan’s Furniture starting today and it will all be FREE, if the Red Sox pitch a No Hitter, home or away, after July 17th during the regular season. That is 64 games! There is an average of 3 ½ No Hitters pitched each year."[0]

[0] http://www.furnituretoday.com/article/551925-if-red-sox-pitc...

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by astura on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:22PM (#17403328)
Jordans Furniture does those promotions every year. They are different events though every year. The insurance company paid out $30 million in furniture when the Red Sox won the World Series in 2007.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/PersonalFinance/story?id=377...

Funny enough, Jordans Furniture is owned by Berkshire Hathaway.

Last year Cleveland was treated to $1.7 million in free windows from Universal Windows Direct when the Cleveland Indians went on a 15 game winning streak.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/20623379/local-window-com...

If you're wondering about premiums, the first article quotes a guy in the business who say the premiums are usually around 30% of the value of the prize. That means the $75,000 premium paid by Universal Windows Direct was a steal. Of course, the odds of a 15 game winning steak in baseball are very small.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by unclebucknasty on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:37PM (#17403421)
Seems that it would violate the "no purchase necessary" rule most (all?) states require to avoid it being an illegal lottery.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by astura on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @04:02PM (#17403579)
Since winners aren't drawn at random and it takes skill to win the World Series, it's not a "lottery", it's a "contest."

https://gleam.io/guides/no-purchase-necessary

>A contest is a type of promotion you can run in which an element of skill is involved. For a promotion to be considered a contest, entries must be skill-based and winners must be chosen based on merit. Meaning they cannot be drawn randomly.

>Examples of contests include:

>"Best Photo" Competition

>Voting Contest

>Sports-Based Contest

>Essay Competition

>"Tell us in less than 20 words..." Competition

>When you run a skill-based contest, winners are not randomly drawn, hence removing one of the three defining features of a lottery. As a result, contests are not impeded by No Purchase Necessary laws.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by unclebucknasty on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @04:22PM (#17403696)
Thanks. Having created contests for my business, I am familiar with the skills exclusion, but always understood the skill in question was required to be that of the contest participants. This is somewhat implied by your citation:

>...entries must be skill-based and winners must be chosen based on merit.

In the scenario above, it takes skill but not the participants' skill, so it is essentially as out of the control of the participants as which number is drawn by a ball machine.

Now, if the skill in question is that of picking a winning sports team, then were talking about gambling which, of course, has its own set of rules and would be a stretch to apply here in any case.

Overall, it seems this contest would be on shaky legal ground one way or another.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by kolpa on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:23PM (#17404718)
It appears that since there are no "winners and losers" -- either everyone wins or every one loses an equivalent amount, these giveaways are not in scope for sweepstakes/contest laws.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by unclebucknasty on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:34PM (#17405589)
>everyone wins or every one loses an equivalent amount

That's not a factor WRT the law in question.

The law states that if you take money or some financial consideration for a chance (that is not based on your skill) of receiving something of value, then it is effectively an illegal lottery. It doesn't matter whether everyone wins or loses.

This is usually addressed by allowing people to enter without making a purchase (entry form, postcard, etc). But, here, that obviously would be an insane offer, so doesn't really apply.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by god_bless_texas on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:30AM (#17401360)
Mattress Mack?
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by briandear on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:43AM (#17401498)
OT but worth mentioning.. He is one of the finest human beings to ever come out of Houston. A class act. He flew a bunch of vets on a private jet to the World Series just because. He also does a massive amount of charity that doesn’t make the headlines. During Harvey, as you know, he opened his furniture store as a shelter. A real gem of a person. He is also in his store, open to close, every day. (“I-45 North between Tidwell and Parker..”) Startups could learn a lot from the story of how he built that company.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by komali2 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:14PM (#17404693)
He did the "oil price above 75$ barrel by end of 2015 = all purchases for the year refunded" deal as well.

Which meant as an oil and gas recruiter, not only was I juggling a shitload of candidates whose rent payments depended on us finding them employment (which depended on prices getting above 75$), they also had huge credit card debts that they'd have to keep paying off of the price didn't go up.

Great fun.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by pnathan on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:55PM (#17403149)
Is there a decent write up? Sounds, from what you say, like a lucrative business with someone who has a decent set of ethics. It's always useful to read people's stories like that.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by briandear on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @12:17AM (#17405714)
I’m actually calling him tomorrow to ask about that. I was wondering the same thing. He does a lot of local talks and such
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by technofiend on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:02PM (#17402754)
Yup!

And as others have posted, he's fairly beloved here in Houston due to his charity work. Heck one of the local rappers remixed his commercials Houston style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P74UnjzKJOU

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by scandox on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:37AM (#17401432)
In Dublin we have Mattress Mick.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by rayiner on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @10:34AM (#17400860)
> They came back quite drunk

> They walked away with the car.

Hopefully they did walk.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by oconnor663 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:11AM (#17401152)
I believe the contest rules require you to floor it straight out of the mall (the "Left4Dead 2 clause").
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by dragontamer on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:05PM (#17401718)
Any joke that revolves around driving cars inside of a mall needs a mandatory reference to the Blues Brothers mall chase scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l3CGibsWT8

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by nocman on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:37PM (#17402573)
LOL!

"this place has got everything!"

Thanks for linking to that -- I've always gotten a kick out that scene.

:-D

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by strombofulous on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:41AM (#17401475)
What is the L4D2 clause? Google didn't return anything.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by KJKingJ on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:47AM (#17401533)
One of the 'campaigns' in Left 4 Dead 2 involves driving a car that is on display in a mall through the doors. At speed.

http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Dead_Center

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by bluGill on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @11:54AM (#17401602)
In the rare case you win (there are legitimate win a car contests that are not trying to get your private information) there is a lot of paperwork to fill out. In the best case you would be sober before the paperwork is done.
Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by sandworm101 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:08PM (#17402308)
Technically, that is a different type of competition. That is an event at least partially based on skill rather than a pure-chance lottery. In places like Canada, and I suspect Australia too, such rules draw lines between competitions for prizes and a lottery subject to gambling rules.

I'd bet that a suburban mall couldn't got a gambling license, but a paper airplane throwing competition is something else. It may seem silly but that small requirement does negate many of the evils associated with gambling. You aren't going to see someone dropping thousands on lotto tickets if they have to throw a paper airplane each time.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by lysp on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @12:00AM (#17405667)
I suspect 2 things.

1) Being Australia, the laws required it to be actually a competition and not a "chance for a chance for a chance".

2) Being 30 years ago, there is a less of a chance that people were simply trying to rip you off.

Re:Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall by skizm on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:43PM (#17403048)
Crumple paper and throw? Or do they have to approve your paper plane design?