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Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by cheeze on Friday May 18, 2018 @11:23PM (#17106479)
I've always seen Youtube as much higher quality than facebook. More than being accessible to everybody regardless of being logged in or not, their players have always been top notch for me. I've always associated Facebook videos with low quality content that I see scrolling through a newsfeed, and FB video has always been noticeably buggier than Youtube.

The focus of Youtube is video whereas video is just another feature of FB. If I want to binge something in the background or watch AvE tear apart power tools (seriously, he's awesome) I go to Youtube. I've never gone to Facebook when I wanted to watch video content.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by doomlaser on Saturday May 19, 2018 @01:01AM (#17106733)
The experience of watching a video on Facebook is not as smooth. Clicking the "full screen" button doesn't send you to full screen, but a bigger window that still has a social sidebar. That's annoying.

They need to fix that philosophy, because it was their avoidance of manipulative end user tactics in the early stage that helped them win out over MySpace.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by mistermann on Saturday May 19, 2018 @01:08AM (#17106743)
> The focus of Youtube is video whereas video is just another feature of FB.

Today yes, but with FB's technical capabilities, I can't see why they couldn't knock off a respectable (if not superior in most respects, considering Google's apparent complete lack of skills or motivation in UI usability, and discoverability/search of all things) clone of YouTube in way under a year. And, they have a massive engaged social network to go with it, something Google can't bring to the table (they tried and failed). It could take them a long time to assemble critical mass of videos, but unless YouTube forbid it in their TOS (which I doubt, considering many people are openly advertising their steemit channels) most producers would clone their content to FB very quickly, especially smaller ones who are pissed off at demonetization.

FB's weak links in my estimation are the stubborn insistence to have everything under Facebook.com (rather than a sibling site), and the trust they've lost in the last year.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by ambicapter on Saturday May 19, 2018 @01:32AM (#17106792)
> clone of YouTube in way under a year.

Probably because some aspects of computer science/website engineering are not entirely nailed down and years of experience still count for something.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by mistermann on Sunday May 20, 2018 @02:01AM (#17111453)
Do you think I'm overestimating or underestimating?
Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by amelius on Saturday May 19, 2018 @06:03AM (#17107264)
> FB's weak links in my estimation are the stubborn insistence to have everything under Facebook.com (rather than a sibling site), and the trust they've lost in the last year.

They have WhatsApp and Instagram under different names.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by eco on Saturday May 19, 2018 @12:56PM (#17108658)
A few days ago I told my wife that Instagram was owned by Facebook and she was shocked. She had no idea. There are clues scattered around, mostly related to trying to get you to add your Facebook friends on Instagram or trying to get you to use Instagram more but not much else. I couldn't even find the word Facebook on Instagram's site just now (not even on their About Us page). It's probably on there somewhere but it seems to be pretty deliberately disassociated with Facebook.

I wonder if Facebook is treating Instagram like a second earth. If they ruin the first they still have a backup.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by dannyw on Saturday May 19, 2018 @07:50AM (#17107483)
Both are acquisitions.
Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by wyclif on Saturday May 19, 2018 @09:13AM (#17107759)
Not only are both acquisitions, but Facebook's strategy there might also involve diversification and disassociation with the parent brand. In other words, they foresaw they'd take a hit in user trust and even popularity so they're OK with spinning off new features as a completely different brand. The negative perceptions Facebook is currently dealing with don't really bleed into (at least in the minds of users) WhatsApp and Instagram, even though they now are part of the same engineering culture.
Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by Lionsion on Saturday May 19, 2018 @11:01AM (#17108135)
> Today yes, but with FB's technical capabilities, I can't see why they couldn't knock off a respectable (if not superior in most respects ... clone of YouTube in way under a year.

Facebook's challenge, IMHO, isn't technical, it's cultural. Namely: it's transparently selfish and seems to mostly act for it's short term advantage. It doesn't know how to share a pie. It doesn't seem to have a consistent strategy for people to build around.

> most producers would clone their content to FB very quickly, especially smaller ones who are pissed off at demonetization.

> and the trust they've lost in the last year.

Facebook let social games get out of hand, then it kneecapped all the social game makers.

Facebook kneecapped people who learned to depend on FB Pages to reach their audiences, to force them to buy ads.

Facebook just kneecapped video producers, probably worse than Youtube did. They kneecapped the news media as well.

If I was a video content producer, I wouldn't use a Facebook Youtube clone, even if it seemed better. I'd expect to get kneecapped, probably in the 2-3 year timeframe.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by mistermann on Saturday May 19, 2018 @12:01PM (#17108415)
Totally agree.

> If I was a video content producer, I wouldn't use a Facebook Youtube clone, even if it seemed better. I'd expect to get kneecapped, probably in the 2-3 year timeframe.

But unless any platform has an exclusivity clause, it's pretty risk free and largely effort free (a multi-platform deployment tool will emerge I'd think) for producers to publish to all platforms. Actually, if(!) platforms would cooperate, this would be nice because they could then differentiate on features.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by throwawayqdhd on Saturday May 19, 2018 @03:29AM (#17106999)
I'm an amateur musician and YouTube is my first stop whenever I'm trying to learn a new technique in Ableton or find music in a specific genre
Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by joe_the_user on Friday May 18, 2018 @11:50PM (#17106561)
It depends on how you measure things.

Youtube is a higher-quality video content site. It has lots of experience serving this type of content.

But as a social network, Youtube is gutter-quality, the worst of the worst. The kind of social network whose more disgruntled content providers are literally trying to murder the people running the site and whose comment section is infamous for being something like the most awful part of Internet.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by mattnewton on Saturday May 19, 2018 @12:06AM (#17106608)
I feel like the reference to the San Bruno shooting is detracting from your point. There was one incident still under investigation, and your commment pluralized and generalized from that.

I agree with the sentiment though, I remember during the 2016 election debates in the US, watching the YouTube live comments fill up with Unicode-art swasticas and depictions of people with turbans and bombs being shot at from behind a wall, and just incoherient expletives and slurs peppered in between.

Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by losteric on Saturday May 19, 2018 @12:18AM (#17106633)
Youtube seems worse because the comments are public and global... but same folks are posting the same bigotry on Facebook.
Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by joe_the_user on Saturday May 19, 2018 @02:14AM (#17106875)
Indeed - but youtube allows itself to become a public forum for the propagation of this stuff and it's hard not to see that as worse.
Re:Magazine publishers with video ambitions see YouTube as s... by creato on Saturday May 19, 2018 @03:14AM (#17106982)
The problem seems to be limited to the mega-popular content, and it doesn't really seem that different from news website comments. For niche channels that match my interests (10k-1M views per video), the comments are actually generally fairly pleasant and sometimes interesting.