Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by isostatic on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:39AM
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A whole 16 million IPs were allocated in 10.0.0.0/8 for private use, and "10" is pretty easy to remember. Trouble is people then used it.
By the time 192.0.2.0/24, 198.51.100.0/24, and 203.0.113.0/24 were allocated in RFC5737, it was too late.
IPv6 makes human IP addresses meaningless, but even they I believe they allocated 2001:DB8::/32
What a stupid address range for examples
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by prepend on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:47AM
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> IPv6 makes human IP addresses meaningless
Tell that to my blog dead:beef:dead:beef:dead:beef:dead:beef
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by chiph on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:44AM
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The 10.x region is the reason that a former employer is such a huge user of NAT. They'd acquire a business who were also using that range, and they'd integrate the networks via NAT because it was too hard & dangerous to change the acquired company's devices & services.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by ge0rg on Monday April 16, 2018 @07:46AM
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Except that everybody knows that the "fake" phone number prefix is 555: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555_(telephone_number) ;-)
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by AllegedAlec on Monday April 16, 2018 @09:38AM
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Except that 'everybody' in this case only means people in North America, and, reading the siblings of this comment, not even all of them.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by codetrotter on Monday April 16, 2018 @10:02AM
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Not only people in North America — I’d say everybody that has an above average interest in movies. In Hollywood they use 555-xxxx all the time.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by matte_black on Monday April 16, 2018 @10:06AM
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Except these days a real number is commonly used if it provides a marketing benefit, given how easy it is for people to pause movies and read all visible text.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by deathanatos on Monday April 16, 2018 @01:20PM
(#16850789)
I'm watching Hawaii Five-Oh on Netflix at the moment, and the show regularly uses that prefix when a phone number is required for the plot. Makes me smile every time they do it.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by xellisx on Monday April 16, 2018 @05:17PM
(#16852873)
555-1212
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by IncRnd on Monday April 16, 2018 @08:01AM
(#16848326)
Except that not everybody knows that. I use the # for information at stores, when asked for a #, and the cashiers usually have no idea what 555-1212 means. In my sample, the vast majority of people do NOT know.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by mulletbum on Monday April 16, 2018 @08:26AM
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You might be confusing "do not know" for "do not care."
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by c22 on Monday April 16, 2018 @02:13PM
(#16851324)
Yeah, my technique is to punch a random number into the machine, if it works then no problem, but if not the cashier will just scan the "store card" after the 2nd failure.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by IncRnd on Thursday April 19, 2018 @09:47AM
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That's my technique too, but when the cashier asks to look up my number I give them 555-1212. That is what fed into my comment. Most people don't care what number is used, but many also don't know that 555-1212 is the secondary information number. This, of course, depends upon their age and geography. This comes up in the friendly conversations that result upon them looking up the phone number.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by isostatic on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:43AM
(#16849734)
When I bought large items at crappy retailers like currys, the often refused to serve me without a postcode. I'd use SW1A 1AA, 2AA or 0AA
Except when buying a TV -- that would be W1A 1AA
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by IncRnd on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:55AM
(#16849858)
Exactly.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by isostatic on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:59AM
(#16849910)
Sadly the reverse lookup for 10 Downing Street is "Prime Minister and First Lord of the Treasury".
I told the cashier "That's me, don't you recognise me without the makeup?"
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by JorgeGT on Monday April 16, 2018 @03:40PM
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You should have said something like "note that the Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office, albeit less known to the general public, also lives in the building", which is technically true.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by discreditable on Monday April 16, 2018 @08:26AM
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Cashiers don't know, or don't care?
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by IncRnd on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:53AM
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Of course some know but don't care, but the majority I met don't know.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by michaelmrose on Monday April 16, 2018 @03:33PM
(#16851993)
How did you ascertain that they didn't know?
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by IncRnd on Monday April 16, 2018 @04:35PM
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Because I was the one who provided the phone number and stood there talking with them.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by michaelmrose on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @03:20AM
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How do you differentiate not caring what number you gave them from not knowing? The fact that they showed no reaction is more of a sign of how few fucks are given rather than everyone else's ignorance.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by IncRnd on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @02:27PM
(#16860986)
How do you differentiate not caring what number you gave them from not knowing
I said how in the comment to which you replied.
Where did I say, "fact that they showed no reaction"? Why do you interpret something unstated as a fact?
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by michaelmrose on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:06AM
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Because you failed to bother to give a more comprehensive answer when I asked how you knew I extrapolated. Did you personally conduct a survey?
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by smudgymcscmudge on Monday April 16, 2018 @09:33AM
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Wasn’t 555-1212 the only 555 number that worked?
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by mikestew on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:12AM
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It used to connect you to directory information (as in "I need to number for mikestew in Seattle...") for the specified area code (or local, if no area code specified). I don't know if it still works or not.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by jasonjayr on Monday April 16, 2018 @12:38PM
(#16850350)
There are other codes in there, caller & circuit id read-backs and other utilities the telco will use. They're usually private, but no serious harm if the public find out about them.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by tinus_hn on Monday April 16, 2018 @07:42AM
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If you make it foolproof, the world will just create better fools.
Re:Over 65,000 Home Routers Are Proxying Bad Traffic for Bot...
by oasisbob on Monday April 16, 2018 @09:12AM
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We haven't always had CIDR.
Saying that not carving a single /24 out of a class A network is bad UX when variable length netmasks weren't even in use yet is a fundamentally silly misreading of history.
Actually, it was a mistake NOT reserving more human-friendly IP blocks for documentation/example purpose. The three /24 blocks reserved all fail blatantly because nobody remembers them, and they look as unsuspicious as normal blocks.
1.2.3.0/24 would be a much better choice because people would easily remember them and know it's not "real", just like you would not take a phone number 123-4567 on a filled form as "real" (even though it might be).
Next time you make anything, please remember to design for human.