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Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by maherbeg on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:01PM (#16795903)
I think you may underestimate the impact e-bikes are going to have on major (non-car centric) cities. They'll likely reshape cities significantly as infrastructure gets improved for biking. You can get significant traffic density improvements by pushing bikes instead of cars, and e-bikes make this more accessible.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by wpietri on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:49PM (#16797661)
I've been cycling in SF for more than a decade and am a SF Bike Coalition member, so I doubt I'm underestimating it all that much.

But even if you are right I don't understand why Uber is eager to buy in now. If this takes off so much that Uber is obliged to get in on the action, they can wait. It strikes me as like Apple with MP3 players or smartphones or smartwatches: it's cheaper and easier to let somebody else prove the market and then just come in and crush everybody.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by fragmede on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:45AM (#16799269)
If you've been bicycling in the city for more than a decade, then you're definitely underestimating it. In that "over a decade", you've internalized the mountain of suck that bicycling is, sometimes, and have accepted that as "just how it is to bicycle in the city". Jump, in particular, doesn't have to contend with some of those.

In particular, you've had to lock up your bike and still had it/parts stolen - not your problem if it's not your bike. Not being your bike also takes care of the maintenance - not your bike means it's not your problem! (I mean, don't go around trashing their bikes for the sake of it, but it means you don't have to worry about the derailleur alignment or tire/rim sizes.) There's the logistics of biking - if you go out, but take a taxi home, then you have to come back to get your bike later. Jump means you don't have to, and if you don't bike back, you can take an Uber instead.

You've definitely had a car almost kill you - likely more than once. The new protected lanes that are popping up all over the city don't make that problem go away, but it's a big step forwards.

Imagine having never experienced being almost killed by a car.

Finally, there's that whole pedaling thing. Not to be (further) presumptuous, but I'm guessing somewhere in the 10+ years, there's a stop sign that's been run. If you stop, then you have to start again. That gets old pretty quickly on any street with stop signs every block. Jump bikes being electric makes that stop being such a workout.

None of these problems are truly insurmountable - as your experience proves! There are other problems w/ bicycling that Jump doesn't solve, but Uber's bet is the kind of friction that Jump does solve, will make this purchase profitable for them, $2 for 30 mins at a time.

Finally, since Uber knows where its riders have been dropped off, it's able to use that data to move Jump bikes around the city to optimize their placement.

If you wait until something's a "sure" thing, then it's too late - the price has gone up, so there's less money to be made. The time to buy BTC was 10 years ago, not now, but if you think it's this weird sketchy thing now, 10 years ago it was E-gold 2.0.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by janekm on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:55AM (#16799548)
I live in a city with ubiquitous (non-E) shared bicycles (Shenzhen), and unfortunately maintenance does become your problem... You have to go from bike to bike performing basic maintenance tests (is the brake working? Is the chain non-rattly? Seat adjustable? Anything broken?) and still sometimes end up with a non-working bike that doesn't work quite right. For the bike sharing company it's an even bigger problem (the two/three remaining companies employ an army of staff to keep moving the bikes to where they are needed and attempt some basic maintenance, literally a team on every street corner).
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by yoz-y on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @06:39AM (#16800348)
Ah, the getting on a public bike ritual. But I imagine that this is a problem that could be solved by more money, however I have no idea where the bike sharing company would get it except if they hike the prices.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by janekm on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @08:32AM (#16800836)
Mobike in China are on about their 10th version of their bikes. The very latest one seems to be a massive improvement on their earlier ones so far, so it seems they are getting there. Most of their money has been coming from VCs so far...
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by wpietri on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @09:47AM (#16801291)
I've been using BikeShare and have friends with electric bikes, so again, I don't think I'm underestimating it as much as you expect.

But again, even if you are exactly right, it won't be too late for Uber. Either they'll be successful, and so have plenty of money, or they'll be troubled, and this business won't be nearly enough to save them. And in the meantime, it's at best a giant distraction, and at worst they smother it, as happens all the time with large-company acquisitions.

Compare with Apple. They were 3 years behind on smartwatches, 4 years behind on MP3 players, 6 on smartphones. It didn't matter, because they had skills, assets, and market power. It was better for them to wait and let others prove the market and then come in when the shape of consumer need and likely solution was clearer. I think the same would be true if Uber were a successful, stable company.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by tejasmanohar on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:29PM (#16798336)
Also a cyclist, and I think one of the reasons share bikes haven't taken off as much in SF is the terrain. Bikes are a convenient way to get from place to place, but who wants to get sweaty and scared riding around SF hills?
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by nlh on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:57PM (#16798451)
And that’s precisely why Jump bikes are awesome in a city like SF. The electric assist is just enough of a boost that you feel the hills but not so much that you’re breaking out in a sweat going over them.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by tejasmanohar on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:38PM (#16893975)
Ah, my bad. Sounds perfect.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by balls187 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:21AM (#16799155)
Second Mover Advantage is as valuable as First Mover Advantage.

> it's cheaper and easier to let somebody else prove the market and then just come in and crush everybody.

before there is a dominant player

WRT to your Apple and MP3 market, Microsoft tried the same thing with it's Zune, and failed miserably.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by spiderfarmer on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @05:31AM (#16800091)
The Zune was not just late but also very ugly.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by maherbeg on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:57PM (#16797710)
Totally fair! They're taking off in Europe right now which will help set the tone for how cities can accommodate these bikes. I think incidents like shutting down the L line in New York will help propel e-bikes/scooters forward much faster than anticipated.

Of course, that may not translate to every city but I think it will move across the US much faster than pure dockless schemes.

For your question on why not? I bet being able to move a significant number of trips by volume from your competitors back onto your platform is well worth the cost and mind share that you could build. (e.g. no bikes available? How about you take this uber for x% off instead!)

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by fataliss on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:27PM (#16796143)
That would take a lot of political will to do something like that though and it would take YEARS! I don't think the US is a great market (right now) for city-bikes. Outside of maybe Manhattan & SF I can't think of any major city where a bike would take you places faster/better than another way of transportation would. When you consider all the hassles that biking as a transportation comes with, I doubt this has any large potential (compared to the Uber scale). Could be wrong though. I actually really hope I am!
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by electricEmu on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:33PM (#16796195)
Seattle? Portland? Minneapolis/St. Paul? You might consider bicycling while you travel more. In Seattle alone, OFO, LimeBike, and Spin are all competing.

American bicycle infrastructure is behind, but it exists. I don't own a car. I get around those cities on bike without issue. It's as fast or faster than a car in many cases and I'm peddling the old fashioned way (with legs).

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by phil21 on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:20PM (#16796616)
Minneapolis? As someone who commuted via bike "before it was cool" in Minneapolis I want to ask what you're smoking :)

The density simply isn't there, and the infrastructure is pretty horrible aside from some exceedingly small areas of the city proper, and of course the amazing bike paths (which typically are not useful for anything other than leisure). If that's what you consider a high bar for "bike infrastructure" in the US, I think the situation is pretty dire.

I moved to Chicago largely due to transit-related reasons, and the bike commute here isn't exactly stellar - but it's at least night and day compared to the average suburban-oriented city in the US.

That said, spending significant time in the Netherlands may have raised the bar too far for me to really think of any US bike infrastructure as being much more than an afterthought at best.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by ghostly_s on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:53PM (#16797682)
Maybe you need to visit to check up on the state of affairs in the 'cool' era. I biked as primary transit in Minneapolis 2007-2014. The city is commonly ranked in the top ten for bike infrastructure in the U.S. (as you pointed out, admittedly a low bar).[1][2] I've been biking in Chicago for 5 years now and if you're going between any two points that don't happen to be connected by one of the non-deathtrap segments of lakefront, the cycle infrastructure here is at least a decade behind where Minneapolis is at. Most of it due to generally dismal road maintenance which impacts cyclists much harder than motorists, but lots of tremendously unsafe shared road conditions, too.

1. https://www.outsideonline.com/1930411/10-best-bike-cities-no...

2. https://www.travelchannel.com/interests/outdoors-and-adventu...

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by ams6110 on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:43PM (#16797621)
I don't understand biking in Chicago or Minneapolis. What do you do when it rains, or snows, which is like 2/3 of the year? And after that it's 95 degrees and 98% humidity. There are probably no more than 30 to 45 days a year where it's really decent biking weather.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by ghostly_s on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:03PM (#16797742)
LOL. There are probably 15 days a year that a truly inhospitable to biking in Minneapolis. On those days the hardcore riders go out anyway, and the rest work from home or catch the bus. Snow isn't a big deal except immediately after it falls, because the city does a damn good job cleaning it up, at least on the major streets. Your pants will get filthy, so plan to change them (or wear snowpants). These are things people in the North deal with even when not biking; have you tried scraping the windshield of a car that's completely covered in half-frozen puddle slush? When it's falling you can bike too, just need to take it slow (same as motorists do) and maybe pick an alternate route that's more secluded from car traffic. I actually think it's kind of fun to slip around in the fresh snow and fall on my ass, while I never much enjoyed spinning the tires on my car. I may just be weird though.

There's nothing out-of-ordinary about the amount of rainfall in Minneapolis or Chicago so not sure where you're coming from with that one, but you just wear a rain jacket and, again, have a dry change of clothes if you're going somewhere that demands formal dress. In Chicago I've found the wind has a much bigger impact on my biking than precipitation.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by phil21 on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:07PM (#16797772)
Well, in Chicago you pretty much bike on the good days. The infrastructure isn't great (like noted by OP in his followup to me) - but the density of the city makes it pretty workable if not entirely enjoyable. You can typically get around on bike on the good weather days faster than most other forms of transit - largely because you're only a few miles from anywhere you need to be.

So in Chicago the typical bicycle commuter commutes on the nice days (maybe half the year?) and will take public transit the rest.

In Minneapolis I commuted via bike for financial reasons so it was mostly a "suck it up, buttercup" sort of deal. You brought changes of clothes, outfitted your bike for the weather, and otherwise just made do. Honestly summer was worse than winter because I sweat a lot in heat. I cannot imagine living in that area without a car voluntarily. You just cut yourself off from far too much - but I suppose this was pre-Uber so the situation is a little bit more tenable.

Public transit in Minneapolis is basically for poor folks or those with DUIs - so it's not exactly stellar and usually not an option for most folks living in the metro area.

Edit: The follow up of "maybe 15 bad days" you had is for what most would call hardcore riders. The number of days the casual fair-weather bicycle commuter rides is far, far, less. I feel pretty comfortable saying this considering my family was known as crazies because we'd bike throughout the winter no matter the weather.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by b3b0p on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:20PM (#16803707)
> Public transit in Minneapolis is basically for poor folks or those with DUIs

What? No.

I'm in Minneapolis. I live downtown. I find using the bus and light rail far more convenient and easy then a car. Let alone the baggage a car brings such as maintenance, insurance, upfront costs, and not to mention parking.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by piva00 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:18AM (#16799865)
I bike here in Scandinavia through all fall and winter, not really sure what's stopping you except from proper clothing and gear.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by walshemj on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @10:52AM (#16801779)
Is this using a properly sorted MTB (switching to fat snow tyres in the winter months)?

Or the heavy Boris bikes or the small wheeled shopper style that a lot of these bike share companies use and most of these bikes are probably badly maintained.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by r27d on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:10PM (#16797424)
Not sure who you are but I bet we were friends. Left MPLS for SF. MPLS is "the best city" for nearly anything if you ask a local. Too bad they wasted the Non-Motorized Transportation Pilot $20M on shitty latex paint bike lanes at $75,000 per block.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by ghostly_s on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:03PM (#16797749)
What do you think they should have spent that on?
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by r27d on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:41PM (#16798844)
They treated it like a slush-fund with no accountability. All of the projects were late and gave a feeling of "a little paint cost how much?" Now they're spending more money to make better bike lanes they could have built in the first place. That's a MPLS thing though. They're always trying to reinvent the wheel instead of using the good infrastructure that's been tried other places.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by dshoemaker on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:09PM (#16802417)
I think your experience in the Netherlands is coloring your opinion a bit. Minneapolis is consistently ranked one of the best cities for biking in the US.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by s5fs on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:57PM (#16796405)
Regarding Seattle and Portland, while it's true there are bike share programs, I don't see them used very often. The few who are using the bikes are either tourists (minority) or the homeless on stolen bikes. Additionally, just about half the limebikes that I see are abandoned under bridges or broken and unusable.

Portland itself is a very bikeable city and a lot of time/energy is spent to improve and grow this infrastructure. Traffic is getting to the point where cycling is faster for inner-city trips, but as I live outside of the city it's a non-starter because public transportation from my end of town is severely limited.

Seattle doesn't seem nearly as bike friendly, and while it's certainly faster to bike or walk during rush hour, it doesn't seem nearly as safe as Portland. I certainly have no interest in cycling in Seattle, driving is bad enough.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by prolikewhoa on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:37PM (#16796761)
I rode up Capitol Hill at 4:30PM every day last spring/summer, took me 10-15 minutes to get home from 2nd & Seneca and never had any safety issues. Drivers in Seattle are fairly aware of their surroundings with everyone walking randomly at all times and the city is adding new bike lanes often.

Going up the hill on a Lime, Spin, or Ofo...no way -- you see those at the bottom of every hill.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by codereflection on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:10PM (#16797034)
I'm in Seattle as well, I have to disagree. Drivers here are mostly clueless. I know many who bike or ride motorcycles, and they have many stories to tell about the cluelessness of Seattle drivers. It's a dangerous city to ride a bike.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by lev99 on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:24PM (#16797860)
Every biker in every North American city has stories about clueless drivers and close encounters, if not full impacts.

Seattle is probably in the top 5 cities for driver awareness, but it has room for improvement.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by prolikewhoa on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:37PM (#16797582)
I would argue it's fairly safe, especially comparing to rural areas. I now live south a few miles outside of the normal Seattle walking/biking and I've already experienced a few near-death situations, but didn't have any problems in my two years downtown. This is just a personal anecdote, but I still do feel people driving Seattle downtown & on the hill are fairly aware of bikers and people walking at any time they want.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @11:42AM (#16802184)
If you live on the Burke Gilman trail, biking in Seattle can be pretty good. And they even have a bike lane over 520 now for those hardcore Microsoft bike commuters.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by lev99 on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:21PM (#16797850)
For most trips in Seattle more than half a mile and less than 5 miles in distance biking is the fastest way to travel. It stays competitive for east-west travel and places without mandatory parking minimums for longer distances.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by eckmLJE on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:46PM (#16796311)
Washington, DC is a big bike commuting city. Jump bikes are everywhere here.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by clairity on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:47PM (#16796326)
los angeles is perfect for bike transport. it's sunny and doesn't get too hot or too cold most of the year (in the LA basin proper, the san fernando and inland valleys are a different story). the city government is pro bike path and installing more bike lanes every day. biking is faster during the 6 hours of rush hour a day. most amenities are within 2-3 miles (~15 minutes) of where you live. you can take your bike on buses and trains for the daily commute.

the biggest challenge is bike security (not getting it stolen). bike racks and locks are a poor solution if unattended. if we could put bike racks right in front of the gate attendant booths that most public parking garages have, it would be a much better deterrent to theft. and for residential buildings, you could have lockers or a locked bike storage room (possibly with security cameras too).

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by bogomipz on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:23PM (#16797506)
>"los angeles is perfect for bike transport."

Except that LA is a sprawl and almost nothing is close together. Maybe if you live at the beach its nice.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by k_sh on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:35PM (#16797567)
True, but generally folks live within 5 miles of 90% of the places they go.

Also, a bicycle can serve as a last-mile connector to the transit system - imagine someone who lives at Wilshire and La Brea but works in West Hollywood, and would like to take the Red Line, but doesn't want to lose an hour to walking.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by ghostly_s on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:05PM (#16797756)
> True, but generally folks live within 5 miles of 90% of the places they go.

Isn't LA like, the single place on earth where this is least true?

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by sulam on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:12PM (#16798267)
Most Texas cities are arguably worse, but since it's Texas, the expectations are pretty low.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by bogomipz on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:12AM (#16799845)
>"True, but generally folks live within 5 miles of 90% of the places they go"

I have never heard this before? Do you a citation for this? More likely in LA is that people simply "limit their tether to 5 miles."

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by clairity on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:17PM (#16797829)
the LA i live in (not at the beach) allows me to walk/bike/bus/train to basically anywhere i want to go, most of which is within 5 miles of where i live. when i need to go farther, i can take a lyft or rent a car.

but you gotta get over that perception of sprawl to realize how great LA is for multi-modal transport.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by bogomipz on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @03:58AM (#16799789)
>"but you gotta get over that perception of sprawl to realize how great LA is for multi-modal transport"

multi-modal transport? You mean the bus? The bus in LA is a joke. Nobody wants to take the bus in LA - it takes way to long to get anywhere. The metro is notable in how little area it covesr. I think this map illustrates this well:

https://media.timeout.com/images/103334943/image.jpg

So what does that leave? Cars. You yourself even mentioned ""Lyft and renting a car." Owning a car, renting a car and calling a car are all car-centric modes of transport.

And LA doesn't have a perception of sprawl it is actually sprawl.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by alangibson on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:43PM (#16796825)
I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone make an argument for LA as a bikable city. Very interesting indeed.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by Karrot_Kream on Monday April 09, 2018 @08:15PM (#16798063)
I biked around LA as a tourist, but the sprawl was so bad, that the majority of the time you spent in transit only to stop off at certain points. Biking in the Berkeley area is like night-and-day, where I don't have to sit on the bike for 10 min. to get to the next plaza. I'd do it again as I enjoy biking much more than driving, but I'm definitely more on the bike-nut side of things.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by clairity on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:58AM (#16799075)
i can see that being a tourist in LA could be a little frustrating, especially on a bike. the major attractions like the getty, venice beach, k-town, hollywood, the tar pits/moma, the disney concert hall, disneyland, the huntington gardens, the forum, the hollywood bowl, beverly hills, LA live, the zoo/science center, watts towers, the sunset strip, malibu, etc. can be annoyingly far apart.

but as a resident i almost never do that kind of ping-ponging around town. you can find good food, drinks, and entertainment in each neighborhood so i typically hit up only one area of town on a given evening, depending on which friends i'm with (or visiting).

berkeley is nice and chill and bike-friendly, but it's also tiny compared to LA (18 vs 500 sq. miles).

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by unexpected on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:17AM (#16798952)
This seems to be a little bit of coastal elitism. Do you know what the largest market is right now for Bike Share?

It's....Dallas! We have over 20,000 bikes in the city now.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/dallas-bike-share-regulat...

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by prolikewhoa on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:34PM (#16796733)
Seattle seems like it's doing well with Ofo, Limebike, and Spin however it will never be a replacement for a car, and they're 40-70lb bikes that can't make it up Seattle's hills which makes them kind of useless outside of downtown. They are used often and I see people riding them all day down by the waterfront, especially in the late spring/summer.

I unfortunately don't see them being any kind of major replacement for anything in Seattle anytime soon unless the Mayor actually puts high tolls on downtown exits -- especially since we have fairly good public transit.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by adjohn on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:59PM (#16797367)
Limebike now has electric assist bikes[1] scattered throughout Seattle which makes climbing those hills a breeze.

[1] - http://www.limebike.com/electric-assist-bike

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by prolikewhoa on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:39PM (#16797593)
I haven't tried the Lime e-bikes yet, but I'm definitely interested because I see them all around my workplace now.

Have you tried and confirmed you can make it up the hill with little to no issues?

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by lev99 on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:27PM (#16797881)
I've watched people go up the hills on e-bikes. It looks easy enough.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by mulmen on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:02AM (#16798892)
Are any of them actually making money? We had Pronto too but it was hopeless as a business.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by andechs on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:51PM (#16796874)
I live in Toronto - a bike is ALWAYS the fastest way to get anywhere in the city under about 5km (although it's pretty close).

Traffic is pretty bad at core times and the hassle of parking adds quite a bit of time at each end.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by patorjk on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:42PM (#16796812)
I'll throw Baltimore's name out there. They even have a Bike Share program (https://www.bmorebikeshare.com/), which is, interestingly enough, sponsored by Lyft.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by bnjms on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:45PM (#16796303)
There are a lot of cities with older areas which have gentrified into concert/eating/drinking-hang-out hubs. These areas weren't planned so they may be too spread out for foot traffic and adding bikes may increase travel in the area. People aren't about to bring their own bikes but if they're already there why not use them. And if the bike sharing startups prove to cities that people are willing to ride bikes cities, especially those with universities, may begin planning to have dedicated bike lanes. As drivers learn to look for bicyclists it will become safer and easier politically to plan for bicyclists. I'm all for it.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by joncrane on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:37PM (#16798368)
City bikes are huge in Washington, DC. I think there are now four brands of bike shares in the city.

It's also a great fit because traffic SUUUUCKS and there are a lot of healthy people who buy into the concept.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by ams6110 on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:41PM (#16797609)
Sounds like what people said about Segway. Don't remember if it was Jobs, but somebody of approximately his tech reputation said "this will change the way we build cities."
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by mattmanser on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:44PM (#16797624)
Yes, the trouble is, the cities are already built. Basing your business model on cities spending a metric tonne of $$$ on reworking their city isn't going to work.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by astrodust on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:12PM (#16797804)
European cities were built before the car.

American cities were built for the car.

African cities are growing rapidly and can be built for the car, the bike, or something else entirely.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by gaius on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:34AM (#16799000)
I think you may underestimate the impact e-bikes are going to have on major (non-car centric) cities. They'll likely reshape cities significantly

That is literally what people said about Segways.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by megablast on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:36AM (#16799009)
This is such a silly reason to be against it, they are incomparable.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by gaius on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:20AM (#16799426)
I am not against it (well, anymore than any decent person would be against things Uber do in general) just pointing out the eerie similarity
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by maherbeg on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:32PM (#16797191)
As an additional data point: https://www.statista.com/statistics/397765/electric-bicycle-...

ebike sales are growing rapidly and in general will start to shape cities in europe very rapidly. That will trickle over to the US in a lot of the big cities that are already dense, and then shift over to the less dense but flatter cities (think LA!)

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by godzillabrennus on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:53PM (#16797321)
Living in SF these days and up until a week ago I thought the same way. I serendipitously had an opportunity to try a Bird electric scooter. I was heading to a meeting a few blocks away and one happened to be parked outside of the building I was leaving. It was far enough that I would have normally used Uber to get there but not far enough that I couldn't have walked if I didn't have to rush over. Long story short, I grabbed the App, started the scooter, and really enjoyed the ride over. It cost a fraction of the Uber ride and got me there faster.

I've been seeing these scooters popping up all over SF including Lime and Spin branded ones.

I hope to see more of them spring up as a viable alternative to using a car to get everywhere. Though I see the lack of helmets being included with these as a disaster waiting to happen.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by fstuff on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:40PM (#16798387)
Yea I've never seen anyone riding with a helmet on these scooters. U see them all over south park bear the ball park.

I've rode a personal electric scooter for over a year now and I can say a helmet is a must. The biggest dangers I've seen is clueless uber/ lyft drivers cutting you off (happens a lot) and pot holes / cracks in the pavement. They travel at 10+ mph so if you hit a big enough pot hole your going to eat it.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by whazor on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:32AM (#16799204)
To support your point, e-bikes are fast. They go like 25km/h, and they often beat cars in speed as they do not get stuck in traffic.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by fergie on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @12:47AM (#16799036)
It could be a way for Uber to generate goodwill, particularly in Europe where they have been effectively banned from several cities.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by hunter23 on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:33PM (#16796198)
Yes, but is the US the area where the product will have the most revolutionary impact? In my view, I would target high density cities like Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore, Delhi, Paris, etc.

Europe and Asia seem like the most important markets for the technology rather than the US which is littered with sprawled out cities.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by keerthiko on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:39PM (#16796245)
The US is the least penetrated market when it comes to bikes. Uber changed the way people interact with taxis/cabs enough to make a cultural impact in many parts of the world, and it has the clout to do the same with bikes. I think it's a good diversification on their part, kind of insuring against the future where driverless cars won't necessarily become the de facto universal means of transit worldwide as the rest of America/SV seems to envision.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by baud147258 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:07AM (#16799821)
Paris has already had a few experiments with dockless bikes, while the docked biked offered by the city are not available because of global replacement done by the lowest bidder.

Since the dockless bikes did not ask for permission of the city, they're now forbidden and the few I've seen were in a bad state.

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by JohnnyConatus on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:48PM (#16796339)
Also winter. Most of the dense cities in the U.S. also have significant winter weather that makes biking less ideal.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by maherbeg on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:09PM (#16796526)
That's a problem being solved already in Scandinavian countries. It just takes education and continually improving infrastructure. The more bikers that are on the road, the safer everyone feels riding a bike, which means more bikers on the road :)
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by umeshunni on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:17PM (#16796595)
Out of curiosity, how is this being solved in Scandinavian countries?
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by toomuchtodo on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:28PM (#16796689)
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by ams6110 on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:52PM (#16797677)
The only thing that article says about snow is to prioritize clearing it on bike routes. That isn't good enough by a long shot. Sorry I'm not riding a bike when it's below freezing and I'm not riding a bike in the snow or the rain. Just forget it.
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by paulie_a on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:55PM (#16796919)
While the amount of bike traffic definitely goes down during winter, I can't recall a day in Chicago this last year where I didn't see anyone in the bike lanes
Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by bogomipz on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:17PM (#16797463)
>"I think you may underestimate the impact e-bikes are going to have on major (non-car centric) cities."

Outside of Europe what would you consider the major non car-centric cities?

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by maherbeg on Monday April 09, 2018 @07:09PM (#16797784)
New york city, the chicago core (probably not greater chicagoland), SF, LA, Portland, Seattle proper would all be excellent candidates.

An e-bike can go 20 miles comfortably which means you could take it to work, lock it up and charge at work, and ride back in the evening for most commutes. I'd guess about 30 minutes is the upper bound average for most commuters that would ride a bike to work. Seattle and SF are perfect for pedal assist e-bikes because hills feel like flat roads, and their public transit system isn't nearly as good as NY

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by bogomipz on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:08AM (#16799825)
Your listing LA as a non car-centric city? You must be joking. LA is the absolute antithesis of a non-car centric city. Maybe you missed this?

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-traffic-los-angeles...

And maybe you haven't been to NYC in a while because although there is lots of mass mass transit, that does not make it non car-centric. It most certainly has a car traffic problem. Just because you don't have to own a car does not make a city non-car centric.

If you look at the inrix score care you will LA is number 1 for traffic and NYC is number 3.

http://inrix.com/scorecard/

Re:Uber enters dockless bike wars with Jump acquisition by emmelaich on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @02:00AM (#16808427)
Yep, instead of Lyft/Uber I've been using Ford GoBike or Jump bike.

Bit of exercise and gets you there faster and cheaper.