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Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by ucaetano on Monday January 22, 2018 @08:45PM (#16210158)
I once did a quick "anthropological" study with In-N-Out employees (read: fancyspeak for sitting down and talking to them about their job), I was quite surprised.

Most of them were very happy with their jobs, not just happy with pay and benefits and so on, but happy to work there. They found it a very welcoming and friendly work environment, where people were rewarded for initiative and trying to improve things.

Most of them didn't see themselves leaving the company any time soon, unless it was for a different job type (such as moving to an office job after finishing school).

It was a very good lesson on how job satisfaction doesn't need fancy cafés, ball pits and slides.

PS: Those were just my impressions from talking to a limited number of employees. Endless numbers of caveats apply.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by e40 on Monday January 22, 2018 @09:43PM (#16210513)
I've never done that, but it was clear from observation that it was true. Here's what amazes me, that people like Bezos exist. I mean, treating people that work at Amazon (especially the warehouses!) like the employees of I-N-O, Amazon could be an even more valuable company. Instead of being an employer of last resort (I would take any job before I worked there), they could be the "it" place to work. Instead, Bezos allows people to be treated like complete shit.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by Rapzid on Monday January 22, 2018 @09:53PM (#16210576)
Unfortunately it's a different ballgame with warehouse work like at AMZ. There is no customer facing service aspect, and very little quality difference between employees. What quality concerns there are can probably be traced back to an individual employee very easily; returns due to poor packaging or wrong item can easily be pinned on the culprit.

It's unfortunate, but not all manual/hard jobs are valued equally and often because they are simply not of equal value. Item pickers are going to eventually go the way of cotton pickers in developed countries. One of my best friends works for a startup developing AI controlled robotic pickers. There is a ways to go and it'll start with human augmented AI's but eventually AI's will be picking, sorting, and packing everything.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by csdreamer7 on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:17AM (#16211217)
> There is no customer facing service aspect, and very little quality difference between employees. What quality concerns there are can probably be traced back to an individual employee very easily; returns due to poor packaging or wrong item can easily be pinned on the culprit.

I disagree; a counter argument would be Costco. Almost all of Costco has very little service interaction with their union employees. They have warehouses, distribution, and procurement that has little consumer interaction. It is difficult to find people to point what is what in aisle numbers and the lines in checkout can be very long. As far as I know all of the people who work in these facilities are union and they pay living wages and benefits.

The nice service workers who handle out free samples are contractors, not union employees the last time I checked.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by red_phone on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:10AM (#16211633)
As of two years ago, less than 8% of Costco’s workforce was unionized.

(Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/costco-wholesale-teamsters/u...)

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by abritinthebay on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @06:12AM (#16212613)
Last time I heard that figure it had been asked why they weren’t and most replied they didn’t see a need - the company treats them well enough already.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by triplesec on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:52AM (#16214488)
Which could easily be due to a kind of Stockholm syndrome
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by workthrowaway27 on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @11:00AM (#16214545)
Costco is known to be a pretty good employer.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by abritinthebay on Saturday January 27, 2018 @05:38PM (#16248504)
Hmmm but that trend would likely hold true across the US, unless you think Costco has some specific brain-washing process :)
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by yalph on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:57PM (#16215608)
But as far as I know Costco is on the top ( or close ) of the list when it comes to employee happiness.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by lotsofpulp on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:10AM (#16211632)
I can't find any source that says Costco employees are in a union. It seems that a portion of them are, but the vast majority are not in any union:

https://teamster.org/content/costco-workers-stand-together

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by bluedino on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:25AM (#16214263)
Right, but you can't just switch business models and expect things to keep running.

Sam's club couldn't just crank the pay of everyone and expect to remain profitable.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by csallen on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @08:50AM (#16213506)
I just finished reading The Everything Store a few weeks ago, an eye-opening book that deep dives into the history of both Amazon and Bezos. I don't think there's any chance that Bezos and crew haven't done the math on this part of their business. They have an extremely detailed understanding of what makes Amazon tick, and cutting costs is an absolutely crucial part of that equation.

Ethically, I agree with you. They shouldn't treat their employees like shit. Some things are worth more than money.

But financially, it's 100% untrue that Amazon would be more valuable if they focused on employee happiness over cutting costs. It's not an accident that Amazon generates more revenue than any other Internet company in existence.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by ReverseCold on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:30AM (#16214297)
"Amazon generates more revenue than any other Internet company in existence."

Isn't that because Amazon is (practically) the only one selling actual "stuff" that always has a value?

Everyone else is (big # of users) * (small profit/user by selling ads or whatever), Amazon is (big # of users) * (big profit/user and also selling data).

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by coldtea on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:27AM (#16214281)
>But financially, it's 100% untrue that Amazon would be more valuable if they focused on employee happiness over cutting costs. It's not an accident that Amazon generates more revenue than any other Internet company in existence.

Or it very well could be (an accident). Survivorship bias and all...

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by csallen on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:29PM (#16215337)
That's a possibility, yes, but I think Amazon's success is too extreme a case for an accident to be the most likely explanation. If it was merely a "decent" success or a "pretty good" success, then yeah, but it's many orders of magnitude beyond that, in a very cutthroat industry. To get to this point, the company has had to consistently make aggressive, unintuitive, massively beneficial decisions, many dozens of times per year over several decades.

Imagine Lebron James — Could he just be lucky every play he goes out onto the court? It's possible. But I'd say the more likely explanation is he knows what he's doing. He's got a fundamental understanding, an underlying theory, and a set of skills that map well to reality and give him an edge that contributes to his success. So does Amazon.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by prostoalex on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @06:08AM (#16212592)
How long-term is Amazon's vision for their warehouse employees? Feels like for them it's a temporary band-aid measure until Kiva Robotics and drone delivery tech are mature.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by fashionrob on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:32PM (#16216740)
have you ever talked with people that works at Amazon, or its many other companies? I've been a contractor for one of them for many years, and they take care of me with prompt payment, lots of communication and clear expectations up front.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by TomMarius on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @04:50AM (#16212227)
In the Czech Republic, it is "the" place to work for unskilled employees.
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Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by taneq on Monday January 22, 2018 @11:21PM (#16210971)
Worse, it's that human employees are just cost-effective robotic manipulators. Amazon's fulfillment centers are literal physical implementations of their Mechanical Turk.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by krapp on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @06:55AM (#16212848)
Yes, but at least it doesn't pay as bad as MTurk.

It would if Amazon could get away with it, though.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by sjg007 on Monday January 22, 2018 @10:52PM (#16210843)
I've never been disappointed with the food at In&Out ever. Maybe with a lag in cleanliness of tables or bathrooms (but that's been rare). McDonald's the food is consistently bad that I'm surprised when it is good.m It's either been too cold, mushy, wrong or missing something. This is based on a cross country trip with small kids who optimize on happy meals. Also play centers and room are basically essential for small kids. Makes a world of difference. This and happy meals are the only reasons to go to McDonald's.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:27AM (#16214278)
What's good about happy meals.

On the rare occasion I succumb to McDo I avoid the happy meals and their call to increased consumerism, it's like buying an advert.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by lostcolony on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:48AM (#16214448)
OP said they have a kid. A place to stop on long trips, where the kid will be happy to get a kid's meal and go play at the play center, and let the parent(s) have a break to eat in quiet isolation? Totally worth crappy food on occasion.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by stcredzero on Monday January 22, 2018 @10:04PM (#16210625)
Given that good management can have such a dramatic effect on the efficiency of this style of burger joint, this may well be a good investment for the company. I remember once going into a McDonald's, and seeing an absolutely de-optimized crew. Basically, they seemed to be trying to all use the same station at the same time, trying to maximize the length of the queue formed and minimize throughput. It literally took me 10 minutes to get a burger.

Of course, this also applies to the workers under the manager as well. My wife drives me crazy in this way. There are some people who will interact in a group by modeling the future pathways, tasks, and schedule of everyone around them, then navigate those models to avoid conflict in time and space. Then there are some people who can't. As far as I can tell, my wife doesn't have a fine-grained enough internal sense of time to be able to do that. I almost stopped dating her early on, because she once kept me waiting 45 minutes in front of the locked door of her apartment, because she was having a conversation with her CEO. I also recall a recent instance cooking with her in the kitchen, and was rinsing 3 pieces of raw meat (1) -- she interrupted me between piece 2 and piece 3 and left me hanging there with contaminated hands while she washed/processed an entire leek. I also remember a band-mate of mine who couldn't "add time" in her head when travelling to gigs, so would always be late. (I know this is the specific case from conversations while planning to drive somewhere.)

It was a very good lesson on how job satisfaction doesn't need fancy cafés, ball pits and slides.

I think one of the best possible rewards is "good working." When people really mesh, there can even be a high.

(1 - Which you're not supposed to do in the US, but I do because my wife grew up in China, so she has a much greater distrust of commercial food processing.)

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by purple-again on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:27AM (#16214274)
I would have left my wife standing on the porch if I was in a conversation with my CEO or other organizational top management. It’s a complete different paradigm for respecting authority that I picked up in the Military and your wife no doubt picked up from China’s strong nationality and authoritarian paradigm.

No single thing has been harder about the ‘normal’ world then getting used to people who seemingly don’t even CONSIDER the power structure of an engagement let alone actively alter their behavior in the moment based on who they are talking to.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by stcredzero on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:47PM (#16216902)
I would have left my wife standing on the porch

When you'd made an arrangement to meet them at a certain time? Man, to me that's just cold.

your wife no doubt picked up from China’s strong nationality

One thing that I picked up from dating then marrying my wife, is that China is waaaay more diverse and varied within its borders than most people in the US imagine. The basic philosophy towards friendship between the north and south varies, and even that is an oversimplification. One province over, the dining habits are waaay different from where she grew up. She comes from a Mandarin speaking region in the south, where before I'd heard that the south speaks Cantonese, but even there it's more complex than I'd thought. Turns out the real traditional languages are two entirely different dialects I'd never even heard of.

China's not so much a nation-state, as a "civilization-state."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imhUmLtlZpw

and authoritarian paradigm.

Maybe there's something to that.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by paulie_a on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @06:16AM (#16212638)
How does she feel about you ranting about her publicly on the internet?
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by taway_1212 on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @08:17AM (#16213313)
To be fair, posting on HN under a nickname is closer to writing an anonymous rant on say a toilet wall. I wouldn’t say he’s doing it “publicly”.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by Rapzid on Monday January 22, 2018 @09:22PM (#16210380)
I used to work at top graded Mackers (Mcdonald's reviews their stores and grades them) with a really awesome store manager and some great (took their jobs and quality very seriously) managers. The experience was great and really enjoyable. Unfortunately, the pay was just above minimum wage and the long term prospects were terrible.

I can totally see how these guys/gals would be loyal and sticky if taken care of. Hard work you can leave at the door is very satisfying if you don't feel like you're going nowhere...

Incidentally the 3x average sounds almost spot on; I believe our store manager was making about 70k and he was highly valued as a store "fixer" by the chain owner in the Dallas area.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by chiph on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @08:00AM (#16213205)
The McD's near me is paying new hires $11/hr. But Chick-fil-A is paying $13/hr, so they have a waiting list to work there.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by throwawayjava on Monday January 22, 2018 @11:21PM (#16210975)
> I believe our store manager was making about 70k and he was highly valued as a store "fixer" by the chain owner in the Dallas area.

A nice reminder about the difference in meanings when the owner says "value" and when the employee says "value"

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by b4lancesh33t on Monday January 22, 2018 @11:38PM (#16211040)
I don't understand what criticism you're trying to level here. Would you please expand?
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by seanp2k2 on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:56AM (#16211349)
I'm guessing that the sentiment here is that the employee getting paid 70K at McD is adding much more value than 70K + other costs, especially if they're single-highhandedly responsible for saving entire locations.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by yeukhon on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:03AM (#16211158)
A NYer here. I lived in Cal for a few months. In-n-Out, has been one of my favorite restaurants after just two visit. I mean it. The ingredients are fresh, and I could watch the workers make the burgers. ALL FRESH. Too bad, In-n-Out won't come to NY. It makes sense though.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by mathperson on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:28AM (#16211256)
I think a great part is you can watch someone take a REAL potato with real dirt on it, clean it, cut it up with a massive guillotine thing, insert it into boiling oil, and hand it to you. Beautiful.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by tcoff91 on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:39AM (#16211521)
I love me some in n out burgers but unfortunately their fries, while commendably fresh, aren’t very good. You have about 3 mins to eat them before they become cardboard. There are legitimate culinary reasons to freeze potatoes before frying, it bursts the cell walls which helps to achieve a better fry.

As far as west coast burger chains go, The Habit has way better fries.

In N Out’s burgers though are so good, double single animal style with peppers is heaven.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by pktgen on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:49AM (#16211553)
You can get the fries well-done. Also, animal style fries (peppers optional).
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by triplesec on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:53AM (#16214500)
Top tip; ask for the fries without salt. You can taste them properly then. I wonder if you can ask for them thick cut too.. I might have to see if there's a secret menu option for that
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by blackrock on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:40AM (#16211746)
I for one, love the In-N-Out fries.

In fact, I can no longer eat fries from anywhere else (McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's, The Habit, etc.), because I know that they use fake fries.

At In-N-Out, you know that you are eating a freshly sliced potato, that was deep-fried, and served to you.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by wastedhours on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @03:08AM (#16211842)
As has been mentioned in the thread, just because it's not been frozen doesn't really mean anything. Frozen peas are just as good as fresh after all.

The freezing of fries can and does make them better, keeps the inside fluffier after frying as the ice crystals blow up inside.

Even Heston Blumenthal freezes them [0]

[0] http://www.redonline.co.uk/food/recipes/heston-blumenthal-tr...

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by jedberg on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @03:40AM (#16211969)
> Frozen peas are just as good as fresh after all.

In what universe? Fresh peas are significantly better, and I'm not even sure that's an opinion as much as fact.

Edit: If HN had controversial markers, this comment would have one. I've watched the points on it go up and down, negative and positive, for the last hour.

Apparently frozen peas is quite controversial.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by wastedhours on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @05:07AM (#16212305)
I never realised it was controversial. In every conversation I've had with chefs, cookery programmes watched, experience with both fresh and frozen, never once have I come to the conclusion fresh was better.

Added to the fact they last much longer, I can't see any reason to buy fresh (we're talking petit pois style, rather than runner bean style).

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by jedberg on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @06:09AM (#16212595)
To me at least (and my wife) previously frozen peas taste floury.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by gaius on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @09:59AM (#16214030)
You’re over cooking them. They need just 1 minute in boiling salt water from frozen, not more than that.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by DanBC on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:39AM (#16214364)
In England peas are taken from field to frozen in less than 4 hours. It's a remarkable process, and it means people buying frozen peas are getting a very good product.

Fresh peas, on the other hand, cover a range from "I picked these myself just now" to "who knows when these came off the plant".

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by jpatokal on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @05:23AM (#16212364)
If you eat them raw, they're obviously different, but after cooking, they're virtually indistinguishable.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by jedberg on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @06:08AM (#16212589)
I can definitely tell. Previously frozen peas taste floury.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by coldtea on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:28AM (#16214290)
Remove flour from the recipy.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by dekhn on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:50AM (#16214467)
Modern blast chillers make amazing frozen products. It's a pretty impressive thing: a significant amount of the quality of the product is stored in the frozen product. It depends tremendously on how fast you chill, how thoroughly, etc.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by danpalmer on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @04:56AM (#16212249)
I think the difference here isn't fresh vs frozen, but rather unprocessed vs processed.

Heston freezes solid whole pieces of potato, In-n-Out likely uses whole pieces of potato, seasoned. McDonald's likely mashes everything up, blends it all with preservatives and flavour enhancers and forms it into fry-shaped pieces.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by froo on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @05:12AM (#16212323)
McDonalds uses a potato cannon to make fries - they can mass produce them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfZLWEAiixo

They are also dipped in dextrose for colour and Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate to reduce the graying from freezing them.

https://www.cnet.com/news/former-mythbuster-goes-on-mcdonald...

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by wastedhours on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @05:03AM (#16212285)
Also depends on the location, over here apparently they're a lot more pure than in the US [0] to the extent that they're really not bad. They also claim they're also actually cut rather than shaped.

I think we generally get a better quality product from McD's, I did enjoy my In-n-Out experience when in Cali, but I can imagine it's a world different if the baseline fast food is poorer.

[0] http://www.cityam.com/207843/fry-hard-it-turns-out-mcdonalds...

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by danpalmer on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @08:35AM (#16213426)
Indeed, I am speculating about US McD's, not about UK. The quality here looks much better.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by sureaboutthis on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @08:49AM (#16213501)
McD does not make their own french fries. There is a potato company, in Idaho I think, that puts it all together and freezes it for shipping.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by joedsad on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @09:14PM (#16228251)
The issue isn't so much that bagged fries are frozen, it's that they are often watered down and mixed with oil.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by Domenic_S on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:46AM (#16211543)
Have you tried ordering them well done?
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by mikekchar on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:58AM (#16211815)
In case anyone is wondering why that doesn't help the OP's issue... In order for the potatoes to be soft on the inside, you have to gelatinize the starch. That means bringing the temperature up to about 60C. However, this results in a gelatin-like block -- no matter how crunchy the outside is. If you want the inside to be fluffy you need to subsequently crystalize the gelatinized starch. You do that by cooling it down. If you've ever eaten cold potatoes or rice, you know how dry it seems -- that's the starch crystals. If you then heat it up again, these crystals re-gelatinize, providing a fluffy interior.

It's often good to go through the cycle more than once, which is why you see recipes for "triple fried" french fries. I tend to like to blanch in salted water, freeze, blanch in oil, freeze and then fry. This also dissolves some of the starch on the outside and provides more surface area for the oil to create crunchy bits. Yeah, it takes all day...

Never been to In-N-Out, so can't comment on what they do.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by SOLAR_FIELDS on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @05:12AM (#16212321)
I worked the fryer at 5 guys and their method is to double fry them. I would drop the fries in for 3 minutes and take them out for 1 then drop them back in again for another minute. Crisps the outside and leaves inside fluffy.

We also soaked the potatoes for several hours to de starch them before frying

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by runevault on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:50AM (#16214466)
Huh interesting to know (as someone who thinks Five Guys makes the 2nd best fries I've ever had, first being a place local to Denver + Colorado Springs)
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by SOLAR_FIELDS on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @06:06PM (#16218744)
Other interesting thing about the five guys which you might already know is that their only proprietary ingredient is the buns. The “seasoned” fry seasoning we threw on there was straight up Kroger brand.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by runevault on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @07:06PM (#16219140)
Didn't know that actually. Interesting. I knew the flavoring on the base fries was some sort of peanut oil (which is genius, not to mention delicious).
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by SOLAR_FIELDS on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @07:23PM (#16219230)
It is straight peanut oil. That was purchased in bulk though from Ben E. Keith IIRC
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by ccoggins on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @11:47AM (#16214940)
What's the name of the place in Denver? I always like finding good local places.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by runevault on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:15PM (#16215796)
Crave. There's one in Highlands Ranch, one in Castle Rock, one at 16th Street Mall.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by lifeformed on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @03:39AM (#16211966)
I'm sure you've read this, but here's further reading for anyone else interested in the science of french fries: http://aht.seriouseats.com/2010/05/the-burger-lab-how-to-mak...
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by tcoff91 on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:03AM (#16211610)
Yes, then they are just stiffer and hotter. Well done is better but not great.

A fry should be crispy on the outside and fluffy on the inside which is not gonna happen with taking a fresh potato and frying it. Freezing and blanching before hand make for better fries.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by azinman2 on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:54AM (#16211794)
Part of the problem is that they cut them into shoestring. But another is that they only fry once -- if they did a second fry they'd be far better. I believe McDonalds and other chains pre-cook their fries before they arrive at the restaurant.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by nkrisc on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @09:47AM (#16213909)
Unless their potatoes are magical or your description is inaccurate or incomplete, that doesn't sound like a recipe for very good fries.

The best fries I've ever had are usually frozen in between frying twice.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by readams on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:04AM (#16214081)
Yes the fries are not very good because they only fry them once. Same with five guys. They're a bit better if you ask for them well done though.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by listentojohan on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @09:24AM (#16213715)
I love their burgers. But their fries. I had to give up. And I love fries! It was like cardboard, which felt so weird after being able to see the process...
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by smallnamespace on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @02:31AM (#16211711)
I really want to know how they manage their supply chain.

One reason McDonalds seems so bland and generic is most of the ingredients come out of a factory, so everything is centralized.

To get fresh ingredients you generally need a local supplier, but then scaling that up must be a logistical nightmare.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by jedberg on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @03:39AM (#16211964)
That's exactly why In-N-Out is pretty much only in California, with a few exceptions.

Because they only use local suppliers, and they haven't figured out how to get everything they need locally anywhere else.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by memco on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:04AM (#16214085)
Can't remember where, but IIRC they only operate at locations which can be reached from their distribution centers by a truck in the same day. I also recall that they recently opened another distribution center in Texas (which is why they are now opening locations there). So they are indeed expanding eastward, but it will probably be a while before they establish a presence on the east coast.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by runevault on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @10:46AM (#16214438)
If I remember the article I read correctly, all restaurants must be within either 350 or 500 miles of a INO distribution center, and they only serve something like 50 per center (this from an article talking about them finally coming to Colorado with a distribution center and the first location down in the Springs, though Denver/Boulder have to be soon to follow).
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by jeffcore on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:41PM (#16225140)
They don't have freezers in their stores, so trucks must be able to travel to the store within a day.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by at-fates-hands on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @09:51AM (#16213955)
I live in the Midwest and have been told this is the main reason this will most likely remain a West Coast chain.

I've also been told it's a case of freshness. If they have to ship all the ingredients from California to Iowa, it's not as fresh as they want it to be. Keeping the supply chain close and using local suppliers for specific ingredients allows them to have a consistent product no matter where you get it.

At the end of the day, as an owner, that's what you want. No matter where the customer goes, they always get same fresh, great tasting product.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by greedo on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @09:01AM (#16213571)
Arizona has quite a few locations, Utah and Texas are growing, and Colorado is next up. Poor Oregon only has two...
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by toephu2 on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @12:41AM (#16220593)
In-N-Out is in California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Texas, and Oregon...
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by jeffcore on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:39PM (#16225114)
All of those locations have something in common, they're all within a one day driving distance of one of the two In-N-Out distribution centers.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by yeukhon on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @03:08AM (#16211844)
Not sure, but if indeed local suppliers, would work the same way Whole Food does. But since In-n-Out operates in Cal, In-n-Out can scale well.
Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by CaptainZapp on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @01:16AM (#16211425)
What surprised me most were the onions.

You bite into real, crunchy onions. Not into some fuzzy crap that seems to come straight out of a food lab.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by Elvewyn on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @06:02AM (#16212562)
I have a part time job at Burger King right now. We have bags of fresh onions in the walk-in fridge that we peal and cut ourselves.

Same with tomatoes.

The lettuce, tho, the lettuce comes out of plastic bags and tastes oddly sweet.

Re:In-N-Out managers earn triple the industry average by briandear on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @04:15AM (#16212098)
I have gotten that impression from Trader Joe’s people as well.