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Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by sgentle on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:55AM (#16166016)
I think people are missing the forest for the trees here. Despite what the PR says, this has very little to do with the relationship between YouTube and creators, and everything to do with the relationship between YouTube and advertisers.

YouTube is renting out billboards at a music festival, and the advertisers, predictably, want to know who's playing. "Well, I dunno, like, whoever shows up" has proven to be an answer that they can't get away with. YouTube's negotiating position with advertisers depends on how they can position their package of advertising space. Right now they're trying to sell a big bundle of uncertain providence, with loads of little no-namers mixed in with the heavy hitters.

But what can YouTube do? If they split it up, they now have a gold package, a silver package, and a shit package. The rates for the shit package would be so bad that current YouTube revenue starts to look like winning the lottery. The smallest channels are subsidised by the bigger ones, not in terms of views but in terms of reputation. So if you need to improve the reputation of the group, what's left to do but drop the weakest performers?

If you're thinking "but that's totally illogical! Smaller channels collectively contribute an enormous number of very valuable advertising impressions", you're right, but making the same mistake YouTube did. The advertising industry isn't logical, it's 18 layers of ticket-clippers and con men playing telephone with money. It doesn't run on economically rational real-time bidding systems, it runs on trend-chasing and reputation. That other stuff is just to keep the nerds happy.

So, like in every other field Goophabet has entered, the techno-utopianism lasts right up until it hits the balance sheet. Party's over, folks. YouTube is an advertising company and now it's realising it has to act like one.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by dbbk on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:53AM (#16166725)
I think you're missing the fact that they already DO split it up. They have a premium advertising tier for YouTube called Google Preferred.

https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/products/google-preferred/

> Google Preferred aggregates YouTube's top content into easy-to-buy packages for brand advertisers. Brands access the top 5% of content on YouTube and receive the measurement results they need to maximize the impact of their campaigns.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by protonfish on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:20AM (#16168042)
If this is their reasoning, then it is YouTube that is missing the forest if they think destroying the environment that fosters and encourages small content creators is a smart move. All of the big players started there once. As the taste for content matures and viewers search for higher-quality content, hacks like PewDiePie dwindle and pros like Binging with Babish rise. Locking into the cesspool of current popular channels is extremely short sighted. A wiser position would be investing in nurturing up and coming content creators or risk losing to a platform that does.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by pavel_lishin on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:36AM (#16168727)
> As the taste for content matures and viewers search for higher-quality content, hacks like PewDiePie dwindle and pros like Binging with Babish rise.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but just because you don't like something doesn't mean there's not a huge audience for people like PewDiePie, especially among the younger demographic - which still spends money, and which is a constantly-replenishing spring.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by rubinelli on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:45AM (#16168809)
Advertisement is a bad model for niche content creators anyway. Selling "premium" content, contract work, and donations are how most are paying their bills.

EDIT: And PewDiePie won't disappear. He provides the perfect wish fulfillment for kids that would love to stay in their bedrooms and be paid to play videogames all day long.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:51AM (#16169450)
No way can he sustain the attention beyond his 30's. His demo will grow up and he'll eventually be a creepy old guy the next generation isn't interested in.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by reader5000 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:34PM (#16170994)
This is true of literally every celebrity.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by cf on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:54PM (#16172356)
Many celebrities and entertainers can bring their fanbase with them as they get older. This is literally what people like Leno and the Rolling Stones do.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by otalp on Thursday January 18, 2018 @04:27AM (#16175799)
There will always be new children who will go to youtube and find the most popular youtuber...unless he gets burnt out or feels he has enough money, he's going to keep raking it in.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:45AM (#16169387)
Ironically it's easier to use YT as free advertising for your own content - and have YT pay you for it, even if the pay is a joke - than to rely on traditional ad revenue.

Maybe if YT wasn't so fixated on ad revenue it wouldn't be missing out on a huge potential market.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by notatoad on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:52PM (#16170599)
From their blog post, the majority of the smaller creators that are affected by this change are earning less than $100 per year. There's three types of creators that are impacted by this:

- people who will never earn more than this off youtube, but aren't motivated by earning money.

- people who are currently earning less than this, and are motivated by money but are on a trajectory to quickly exceed 1000 subscribers. they'll be minimally affected.

- people who are currently earning less than $100/yr, but are motivated by money and are unlikely to exceed 1000 subscribers anytime soon. If they're actively working to grow their channel but can't break 1000 subscribers, losing them is probably for the best.

I don't see how this is going to really harm youtube's content pool.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by xster on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:31PM (#16172066)
YouTube is like Walmart.

- There are people who just need to do some work and get out of their house and aren't motivated by earning money.

- There are those who make it their career and want to work up the chain. They will be minimally affected.

- There are those who are part time and but can't make it into full time any time soon. Let's hypothesize that they're not actively trying to be the best workers so let's just get rid of them. No harm done.

That sounds like a pretty scary world.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by reader5000 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:33PM (#16170986)
I wonder what the data is on hitting 1000 subs from scratch. I can see it taking 6+ months and if you're putting out daily or weekly content thats a lot of unpaid labor till you get some of that sweet ~$1 per 1000 views. But yeah I think most tubers monetize through patreon/merchandise/non-yt ads so this might not affect things too much.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by notatoad on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:40PM (#16171586)
I suspect your patreon, merch, or other ad revenue is also going to be pretty inconsequential if you're under 1000 subscribers
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by CamperBob2 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:05PM (#16172931)
Not only that, but they're incentivizing the creation of a network of fraudsters. Small-time content creators are already banding together to form subscriber pools.

I remember when Google was known for actually thinking things through.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by Noos on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:04PM (#16173322)
I don't think anyone got rich assuming that viewers demand high quality content.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by d1zzy on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:31PM (#16170417)
Then why does Youtube stop ALL monetization, they should stop only ad-based monetization to these channels and still allow the channels to be payed out of Youtube Red visits or any other (possible future) types of non-advertising income. This feels shady and short sighted to me and combined with so many other issues disproportionally affecting small channels (like the adpocalypse) it's just one more nail in the coffin of small content creators (note: any big content creator was a small content creator at some point, the question is, would they have ever stuck with Youtube and became what they are if Youtube had all these issues when they started?)
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by apendleton on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:10PM (#16170773)
I think they do only stop ad-based monetization? This post is about revenue from the Youtube Partner Program, which is the advertising monetization program. Content that gets demonetized for other reasons (e.g., queer content) still earns Red revenue, so I imagine this is the same.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by d1zzy on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @05:33PM (#16172684)
Nope, it seems they will stop all monetization per: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72851?hl=en

"The YouTube Partner Program (YPP) lets creators monetize their content on YouTube. Creators can earn money from advertisements served on their videos and from YouTube Red subscribers watching their content."

And in order to apply for YPP you just try to enable Monetization per: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72857#apply

The two (YPP and Monetization) seem to be the same thing?

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by a_bonobo on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:40AM (#16167394)
I guess one thing that pushed this change you describe is more political pressure, as in people putting pressure on YT for putting ads next to hate-speech [1]

If YouTube monetizes only a few big channels it becomes much easier to track political content manually.

[1] https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/youtube-hate-preachers-sh...

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by indubitable on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:04AM (#16168418)
This is certainly the first level justification, but it's somewhat unusual isn't it? Find the most repressive regimes in the world and there's a good chance you'll find most of the big western names happily advertising and helping sustain the regime. We could argue that perhaps it's companies working to satisfy the market, but the people that work to call out advertisers are most often a very tiny minority of all customers. And in any case things like boycotts rarely last longer than the 10 seconds it takes for a new controversy to erupt on social media.

So what is their aim? The only thing I can frame it as is a power play. Advertisers working together to collectively ensure they have more strict control on what they can be advertised on has the nice side effect of them getting to decide the fate of many companies dependent on advertising for revenue. If a company acts in a way contrary to the interests of advertisers, they thus gain the ability to destroy that company. Similarly, it allows them to elevate companies that further their interests. Put another way, I wouldn't expect a documentary detailing the behaviors of Coca-Cola in South America or Nestle's behaviors... anywhere... to see much in the way of funding. But a documentary detailing healthy at any size? That's some advertiser worthy content.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by sambe on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:54AM (#16166733)
Even if they add a lot collectively, it's logical to pay individuals according to their individual impact. Collectively they still get more (just not as much more as when they were being subsidised).

However, in the long-run the challenge is enabling the transition from small to big. Doing one without the other would be quite short-term thinking from YouTube - they would massively disincentivise the new users who become next year's big channels. I haven't seen many platforms both care and execute on this.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by developer2 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @05:59AM (#16166967)
How about this for an idea: YouTube dictates to advertisers how things work, and not the other way around. This woven tale about how advertisers will abandon YouTube en masse if they're not in full control is such a load of baloney. If YouTube firmly planted their feet and said "tough luck advertisers - we dictate the terms", any company trying to "abandon" the platform will be back within a month upon seeing massive drops in their acquisition and bottom line.

Advertisers don't have a choice - they need YouTube. YouTube could easily dictate this relationship. They choose not to.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by macspoofing on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:36AM (#16167372)
>YouTube dictates to advertisers how things work, and not the other way around.

They could but if you look at 2017, the stuff YouTube got in trouble from advertiser for is the stuff they got in trouble for from large segments of the public or the media. YouTube doesn't want to take a stand forcing advertisers to accept PewDiePie's Hitler jokes, some guy making fun of feminism, or Logan Paul filming suicide victims. If they do, they'll get destroyed by the media and advertisers will leave anyway.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by nailer on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:38AM (#16168740)
TV-era cultural mores being applied to the internet seems unlikely to happen, despite Google applying demonetisation rules to anything beyong 'broadcast TV' levels (see the leaked YouTube docs https://imgur.com/gallery/uTLTS ).

Internet culture is taking over the mainstream, demonetisation of edgier content might have a shortterm effect of restricting content, but ultimately, it's unlikely to stop the cultural shift - people want edgier humor, and if it's popular enough it will eventually appear on Twitch, Vimeo or elsewhere.

Brands are happy to be associated with edgy humor if Jimmy Kimmel is producing it: check out the examples on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj8n78AuN3w. They'll soon be comfortable if a YouTube equivalent is doing the same.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by soundwave106 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:22PM (#16170328)
Non-edgy content is not going to disappear, heck it might even be quite popular! (See: Hallmark Channel in "traditional TV land", the appeal of things like cute animal videos in "Internet land") Edgy content is nothing new, either, although of course what is "edgy" changes from generation to generation.

Youtube's problem as I see it is differentiation. Howard Stern was "edgy" for his time, similar to how some Youtube producers are "edgy". Yet he has no problem attracting advertisers as far as I know (Googling suggests his radio rates in particular were quite high). But it seems like it was/is much easier in traditional advertising to say "I [do / do not] want to advertise with Howard Stern" then it is to say "I [do / do not] want to advertise with PewDiePie". That's really the crux of the problem as I see it, it flat out sounds like Youtube can't do targeted marketing very well (a ding made more painful considering this is the success story of Google Search). Heck, "I do not want to advertise for ISIS recruitment videos" seemed to be a request Youtube couldn't fulfill for a while.

I don't think "edgy" in itself is a problem to many advertisers per se (except for certain step-over-the-line moments) and I agree with you that Youtube is tackling things in a way too crude manner.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by 794CD01 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:05AM (#16168988)
The cultural shift is happening but that doesn't mean the entirety of 4chan lingo is suddenly acceptable now. It merely means someone like Phillip De Franco can get away with opening every video by calling his viewers beautiful bastards.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by developer2 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:01AM (#16168392)
The examples you list are the few obvious, controversial types. The majority of content creators who have been getting demonetized over the past year or two do not have a single shred of "bad stuff" in their content. There are people losing their entire income because they don't fit some algorithm that has nothing to do with (properly) categorized - or reported - content.

It doesn't help that there are apologizers who spread the idea that YouTube is somehow targeting "the bad stuff", when that is a very small fraction of what is happening. Everyone focuses on the sensationalist garbage reported by the media; meanwhile all the small channels that are playing by the rules are being left out to dry.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by apendleton on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:14PM (#16170807)
That's what they did initially. Many advertisers left and Youtube ad revenue dropped like a rock. Eventually maybe advertisers would have realized that in the age of cord-cutting they have increasingly limited ways to buy <=millennial eyeballs, but communities are fragile and I think Youtube was justifiably worried that by then their highest-value creators would have abandoned them for better-paying platforms (which was already happening and is continuing to happen). Someone above said this post was really aimed at advertisers and not at creators, and I think that's half-right in that advertisers really are the immediate audience, but making advertisers happy is a thing many creators have been pushing for too, so advertisers will come back and ad payouts will go back up.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by evgen on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:08AM (#16167244)
Sure, because video advertisers are completely lacking a distribution channel that provides known content and editorial moderation with some basic viewership and viewer demographic numbers... Advertisers do not need YouTube, there are a ton of alternatives available to them ranging from streaming services to conventional broadcast television. YouTube, on the other hand, has big bills to pay and without that sweet, sweet advertising money pumping through Google datacenters the YouTube "platform" will be the one that disappears.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by xster on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:15PM (#16171370)
Sounds reasonable in isolation but you can pretty much apply this line of thinking to all of capitalism.

Health insurance can be divided into the healthy-young-professional-who-pay-premium-and-never-get-sick package and the old-sick-people-costing-us-money package. Now one group is subsidizing the other and the premium the sick people package would have paid is so shit it makes the current premium look like winning the lottery. What to do? Drop the weakest performers.

Airlines make most of their money from first class which is essentially subsidizing all coach tickets? What to do? Just get rid of the average rider.

Politician X spent 1.2B$ campaigning for presidency and most of that money didn't come from private citizens? Now you have a rich voter coalition and a normal citizen coalition and the new normal citizens' influence on politicians would be so shit that the current resemblance to democracy start to look like normal citizens winning the lottery. What to do? Just get rid of universal suffrage.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by a888 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:39AM (#16166668)
>Party's over, folks. YouTube is an advertising company and now it's realising it has to act like one.

Is this meant to be a revelation to anyone? Well back in 2007 when ads started appearing it became clear YouTube's remit has shifted. It was a transition that was perhaps fully realised by 2012, when they began to pay out in view hours.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by Nition on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:35AM (#16166159)
Exactly. And although it sucks for small content creators to not get any revenue from their videos anymore, it sucks even more for Google because not only do they get no money from advertising on those videos, it costs them to host the video.

I'm sure they're hoping fervently that this plan leads to more lucrative ad deals considering how knife-edge YouTube's chance at profitability has always seemed.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by LoSboccacc on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:51AM (#16166222)
It's still a big bet. Youtube gets views multiplication by the suggested video feature which redirect people from the random video they stumbled upon into the big ticket videos.

All the small creators also saturate the search space with all kind of topics and content, which drives people naturally via suggestions to the larger channels with fat advertisers, so the benefit is twofold.

Bet they did the math and they still come on top for now, but social are quite generational and live off the network effect, so there's that.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by prepend on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:31AM (#16167340)
“suggested video feature”

It will be interesting to see the shift in the suggestion algorithm since so many more videos will be non-monetized.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by jacksmith21006 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:13PM (#16170795)
Google reported over 1.6 billion hours being consumed a day on average as of mid 2017 so they have a lot to work with.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by kevingadd on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @08:29AM (#16167694)
You seem to misunderstand: Ads aren't necessarily going to go away. The uploader just won't get paid anymore.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by Nition on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:44PM (#16171094)
YouTube has never shown ads on non-monetised videos. If I choose the no monetisation option on a video, it has no ads. So if YouTube is saying these small channels can no longer monetise their videos, it would be a whole extra policy change to say that non-monetised videos will now show ads.

Any YouTube video that currently shows an ad, the uploader has chosen to do so in order to make money from it.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by d1zzy on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @05:37PM (#16172723)
That is slightly inaccurate: ads are also shown to videos of non-monetized accounts if a copyright claim is made by someone for content on that video and the claimer decides to put ads in it for allowing the content.

I have no monetization enabled for my account and still get text ads because of that.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by Nition on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:29PM (#16173078)
Good point. Although I've disputed a (inaccurate) copyright claim before and had it removed. Plus technically you're not meant to upload anything that you don't have the copyright for.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by AstralStorm on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:33AM (#16168127)
Thus uploader quits and moves to say Twitch. Suddenly Amazon would be happy.

Or to one of the other sites.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by Feniks on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:21PM (#16170311)
We'll see. As it stands there aren't a lot of YT clones. Hosting a billion videos that will continue to multiply for eternity can't be cheap.

Lets face it most of the stuff on YT has very little ad revenue.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by viridian on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:40PM (#16170497)
Twitch basically seems to be the only real competition at this point, but they are rapidly building up to take the fight to YouTube. They are publicly shifting away from the gaming focus and towards general content creation. This whole thing seems to be more in the hands of PR and network effects than anything else. Like if the Jiu jitsu community goes to twitch I have little reason to go on youtube anymore.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by jacksmith21006 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:15PM (#16170816)
Google has over 1.6 billion hours a day being consumed and Twitch does not even register. #2 is Facebook with 119 million hours. So Twitch is not really competitive.

Plus Amazon purchased Twitch and then removed the app from the Roku which does not help grow the platform.

https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/amazon-pulls-twitch-channel-... Amazon Pulls Their Twitch Channel from Roku - Cord Cutters News

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by thinkloop on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:33AM (#16166391)
> It doesn't run on economically rational real-time bidding systems, it runs on trend-chasing and reputation

What do you mean by "trend-chasing and reputation"? I really want to understand this point, but I'm not seeing why an advertiser would care if their ad was shown once on 10 small videos, rather than 10 times on 1 big video. Do advertisers specifically ask for the most possible impressions on the least number of videos?

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by x0x0 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:42AM (#16166427)
Because youtube attracts a lot of brand advertisers: think Cheerios, Volvo, Swiffer, etc. These ads are designed to create awareness of the products and to create warm feelings for the brand. Hence cute kids eat Cheerios or Volvo brags about safety or Swiffer shows how easy it is to have an immaculate mansion.

All of the above dread showing up next to eg some jackass going to a suicide forest and showing a dead person for kicks. Showing ads primarily against bigger videos means youtube has a chance to check the content. ie so-called brand safety.

See how the ad industry views the changes:

http://www.adweek.com/digital/youtube-is-finally-addressing-...

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by zimpenfish on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @05:46AM (#16166919)
> Showing ads primarily against bigger videos

Which does fall down somewhat when the jackass going to a suicide forest is one of the biggest creators (estimated 4th highest paid in 2017) -and- was a Preferred Partner.

> means youtube has a chance to check the content

Sure but they apparently approved his suicide forest video.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/1/9/16869430/youtube-logan-paul...

"[...] YouTube moderation team had reviewed Paul’s video and deemed it acceptable."

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by prepend on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:32AM (#16167350)
It helps a lot against all the ISIS videos that show ads where Google is getting a lot of heat in Europe.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by AstralStorm on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:30AM (#16168101)
Yes, because figuring out if you are actually sponsoring terrorism is hard. /s

No, the thing is advertisers do not want their brands associated with thing x. YouTube already has automated classifiers for demonetization. This is recognition that these classifiers do not work - from the side of advertisers.

Google could tell them "deal with it" and they'd probably oblige. The manual side was Google Preferred program.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by nemothekid on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:55AM (#16168881)
Google had been telling them “deal with it” for years, until the advertisers banded together and threatened to stop spending on YouTube.

That watershed moment is what caused YouTube to develop the whole demonetization algorithim in the first place

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by wafflesraccoon on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:11AM (#16169028)
Source? I would like to read more about this.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by z3t4 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:03AM (#16167919)
Those brand advertisers really destroyed advertising on the web, with the help of bot clickers ... Pay per click !? Great we don't want clicks ... I got 1000 clicks! Nope, all bots! Advertising went from fully automated to fully manual. There's billions of dollars wasted on manual marketing, and I know many have tried, but if you can make advertising fully automatic again, there's your unicorn startup!
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by darepublic on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:59PM (#16170669)
I'm sure there are ways to detect real clickthrough vs fake? (via monitoring the behaviour of the visitor upon clicking through) Why isn't this the magic bullet (or unicorn) you speak of.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by jacksmith21006 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:19PM (#16170857)
It is hard with video because of the bandwidth needed to fake video views. Plus Google has logged in accounts often for YT which helps with detecting if a bot.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:16AM (#16167285)
Yeah, but wasn't jackass in suicide forest a high-performing video?
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by x0x0 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:37PM (#16171027)
And as per the article, Google is now going to have a human being watch all those videos.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by katastic on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:46AM (#16166452)
You're using logic again. His point is they're not logical unless you count "forest through the trees" fallacies as logic.

They want whatever is IN. Whatever is BIG. Whatever is the most POPULAR.

It's all about "big names" swirling around the community. "Have you heard of X?" Because "discovering X" and getting a big deal makes you famous.

"Driving profits up 3% over last quarter" is not what a hot shot maverick does. It's not cool.

So finding tens/hundreds/thousands of smaller (but successful!) channels isn't popular. Humans can't process that easily. And when it comes to impressing your boss in that industry, you want bite-size chunks. You want the next Macklemore, not 30 amazing electrical-engineering channels.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by Scoundreller on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:39PM (#16170490)
Isn’t that the Yahoo “search” approach?

Didn’t Google crush their directory of vetted content model because they were able to give users what they actually wanted?

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by mtgx on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:35AM (#16167098)
Creators, especially small ones, should strongly consider switching to the decentralized https://d.tube anyways. Much higher earnings potential.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by throwanem on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @08:58AM (#16167883)
I mean sure, if we take the view counts expressed as dollars to 1/10 of 1 cent at face value. But I have a feeling that a monetization model based on Patreon and other donation/patronage-type services, to which a lot of the channels I follow are switching, is still a better and more worthwhile option, both because creators get the benefit of the Youtube infrastructure and ecosystem without having to put up with Youtube monetization nonsense, and because, in the model I describe, creators get paid in money.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by cableshaft on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:29AM (#16168096)
D.Tube looks like pretty interesting tech. I hope it starts to get more traction.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by xster on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:49PM (#16172295)
Not sure why you're downvoted. Going through their about page, I'm still not sure I understand the monetization model but from a technical perspective, the infrastructure solution is fascinating.
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by gcb0 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:48AM (#16168256)
you are right until you assume people are making this confusion.

Youtube is. their official email explicitly says those changes are for the creators and that they were reached after discussions with said creators.

it's another PR shitfest like only google can do.

edit: ironically, it doesn't solve their content problem. which is advertisers buying into the expensive platinum package and their top content creator saying something racist and sexist.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by Obi_Juan_Kenobi on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:28PM (#16171483)
> The advertising industry isn't logical, it's 18 layers of ticket-clippers and con men playing telephone with money. It doesn't run on economically rational real-time bidding systems, it runs on trend-chasing and reputation.

The advertising industry is hardly a small market; are you arguing that billions of dollars in profit opportunities are just lying there untaken simply because the industry operates on trends? What's stopping the nerds from taking this money?

I think it's more likely that the ad industry simply knows what a liability those small channels present; your product could be associated with all manner of odious content, and YouTube has thus far failed to exclude that at scale.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by debt on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @12:05PM (#16169594)
Or they could, ya know, pay these people called "writers" and a "production crew" to make them a bunch of "shows".

But nah man that's the old way of doing things.

Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by alexmlamb2 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:12AM (#16169036)
Aren't you creeped out by what could happen if companies started applying this same reasoning to their customer's private communications, even discussions in their own homes - and using that as a justification for blocking access to essential services?
Re:Changes to the YouTube Partner Program by richdougherty on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:54AM (#16166730)
> The rates for the shit package would be so bad that current YouTube revenue starts to look like winning the lottery.

Still, getting paid something is better than getting paid nothing, right?