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Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by ethagnawl on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @11:25PM (#15867619)
Based on my experience* over the past ~week, "robust" is not a word I'd use in the same sentence as "coinbase".

*In addition intermittent outages which prevented me from accessing their site, I sent some Satoshi from my local wallet to coinbase (10 days ago at time of writing) in order to unload some; transaction was marked "pending"; they've since sold the coins; customer support has stopped responding to my emails.

Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by gt_ on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @11:38PM (#15867664)
I ran into a problem using them, realized their customer support appears to have given up, and decided it was time to get my money out. That was this morning. As of now, the BTC transaction I initialized is reported as “complete” on my Coinbase account, which now has a balance of 0, and the transaction has not even registered on the blockchain. This is certainly not my definition of “robust.”
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by rexf on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @11:51PM (#15867700)
While coinbase & BTC seems to be doing well, I've anecdotally seen a bunch of people who can't get a response from coinbase support over long periods of time. Doesn't make relying on coinbase seem like a good idea.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by cbstory on Thursday December 07, 2017 @08:27AM (#15869763)
My experience with coinbase was terrible. I bought roughly 10k of eth this past summer.

Eventuslly I was up 5000 I decided to sell 10k so I could let the rest freeride. When I went to sell coinbase told me they couldn't validate my identity and wouldn't let me sell.

Which is ridiculous. They had no problem taking 10k from me, but not the other way around?

At the very least they should have put some info somewhere telling me that before I bought any.

Nothing I did worked. It just kept telling me it couldn't validate and to try again in 24hr. I contacted support and eventually got a boiler plate email.

Eventually I opened a new account on another exchange, sent my eth there and sold it for btc which I sold for usd on localbtc.

Ended up a 2000 dollar loss because this whole process took like a week or so during which eth kept dropping.

My advice to anyone using cb would be to have a local wallet and working accounts on multiple exchanges. If I had done that I would have been okay.

However I still think that if my identity was no sufficiently validated to sell, they should have told me before I went to sell.

Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by TAForObvReasons on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @11:58PM (#15867719)
Other stories:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6933360

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5427985

4 years ago they had a problem with customer service and the situation does not appear to have improved:

> When it takes a public outcry on HN for a company to do their job, I no longer deal with such a company. Simple as that. I don't care if you raised $25 million - if you can't treat your users fairly, you deserve neither.

Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by TeMPOraL on Thursday December 07, 2017 @06:55AM (#15869291)
>> When it takes a public outcry on HN for a company to do their job, I no longer deal with such a company. Simple as that. I don't care if you raised $25 million - if you can't treat your users fairly, you deserve neither.

I wonder if that applies to Google too, the most famous company for which you need to get on the HN frontpage to actually reach someone there.

Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by Cthulhu_ on Thursday December 07, 2017 @06:55AM (#15869297)
How do you do customer service when you get 100K new users / day though?
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by pferde on Thursday December 07, 2017 @09:04AM (#15870014)
That's easy - you outsource it to cheapest provider you can find, preferably to the other side of the planet.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by PeterisP on Thursday December 07, 2017 @09:47AM (#15870365)
You charge the customers sufficiently so that you can (and do) hire a customer service person for each X new customers.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by jonwachob91 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @11:29AM (#15871426)
... There is a lag between signing new customers and hiring competent customer service employees + training them. Just saying.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by simonebrunozzi on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:05PM (#15873555)
That's not what their VCs want them to do, unfortunately.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by mrb on Thursday December 07, 2017 @01:16AM (#15868035)
Coinbase is simply suffering from insane growth pains. I mean, come on, they are adding half a million new users per week! Of course support isn't going to be very responsive.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by snarfybarfy on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:36AM (#15868371)
Funny how they are coping with signing up users just fine. Takes about 5 mins for somebody to check your ID and create an account. Support however seems not to be a priority to them.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by ThomPete on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:22AM (#15868526)
Don't you think that part is automated?
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by ckastner on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:37AM (#15868580)
How can you automate the checking of an ID?
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by mrb on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:01AM (#15868652)
Third party identity verification services use OCR and machine learning on scanned ID documents.

99% get an automatic Green flag. Only ~1% are manually reviewed.

Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by ckastner on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:29AM (#15868742)
Interesting. I'd assume that these methods are probably more effective than a manual review by your average person anyway, but there are certain areas where I would expect automation to be at least frowned upon.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by minikomi on Thursday December 07, 2017 @06:13AM (#15869122)

    if (Math.random() > 0.2) { // rate of false accounts at last review was ~20% 
      return false;
    } else { 
      return true;
    }
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by CoryG89 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @11:08AM (#15871233)

    return Math.random() <= 0.2
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by nmeofthestate on Thursday December 07, 2017 @11:04AM (#15871194)
> Funny how they are coping with signing up users just fine.

Not my experience - no luck getting ID verified yet.

Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by ethagnawl on Thursday December 07, 2017 @11:43AM (#15871547)
You've got a point, and I tried to be understanding about the slow customer support response, but after a certain point the _growing pains_ excuse just does not pass muster. Coinbase has been around for years and their business model would seem to be dependent upon rapid adoption/growth of BTC/ETH/LTC. So, they knew this day would come and should have had processes in place to handle the influx (of traffic and related customer support requests). I just cannot _understand_ how a business could misplace $NON_TRIVIAL_AMOUNT_OF_BTC and then not respond to their customer's inquiries about it for _days_ at a time.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by coin on Thursday December 07, 2017 @11:16AM (#15871309)
Don't accept new customers if you don't have the capacity to support them
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by stanmancan on Thursday December 07, 2017 @12:01AM (#15867732)
From my experience that seems to be the case with pretty much all the exchanges and resellers lately.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by ethagnawl on Thursday December 07, 2017 @10:28AM (#15870851)
UPDATE: My "pending" transaction was marked as "complete" and the coins appeared in my coinbase wallet this morning (almost 11 days after I initially moved the coins). I'm not necessarily chalking it up to this comment, but I suppose it's possible.

Fortune favored me this time around, but I don't know if I can trust coinbase again. If the price had dipped, I'd be out a bunch of money. (Just to be clear: they received the coins days ago, just didn't credit them to my wallet.) I wish there was an option to sell BTC directly from your local wallet, which would set a strike price and ensure that users don't get screwed if/when this sort of thing happens. (Note: This option may exist and I'm just not aware of it. I tried to log into coinbase just now to verify that ... but the site is down again.)

Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by jacobr1 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @11:17AM (#15871323)
Coinbase isn't a trading platform. But they do own and operate one: gdax.com
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by shams93 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @11:47AM (#15871589)
Yeah exactly it's just a way to acquire initial crypto to move elsewhere for trading it's just a money exchange at it's core not the crypto equivalent of a day trader platform.
Re:Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy by unixhero on Thursday December 07, 2017 @10:36AM (#15870928)
Same