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Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Lifesnoozer on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @05:47AM (#15292013)
Recently switched over to DuckDuckGo on all my devices. Tried to do the same thing several years ago and found it didn't really work out, but this time around it is so much better, both when it comes to speed and results.

If anyone has doubts because they tried it years ago, I'd say go for it again.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by benbenhu on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:57AM (#15292358)
And don't forget to use the bangs that can allow you to check other engines results fast if you need.

For people afraid of getting off google, you can always search something like '!g my-search', it works the same for youtube(!yt), google image(!gi), or even hackernews(!hn)

And of course the best bang is the 'I am feeling lucky' one (!), i.e.: 'hackernews !'

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Freak_NL on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:20AM (#15292878)

    !ud → Urban Dictionary (what do you mean, she's 'office cute'?)
    !wen → Wikipedia English
    !w.. → Wikipedia (two letter language code, e.g., 'nl')
    !wikt Wiktionary
So many useful bangs.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by the_duke on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:09AM (#15294571)
So many bangs for you duck!
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by pvdebbe on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:01AM (#15301375)
The best bang for your duck
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by fenwick67 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:08PM (#15295339)
Just a plain !w gives me English Wikipedia.

Usually if I need a certain engine I just guess the bang and it's usually supported and correct. !gm for google maps, !tineye for tineye, !wayback for the wayback machine...

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Freak_NL on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:17PM (#15296095)
They are pretty predictable. I just tried !osm madagascar on a whim, and it opens OpenStreetMap, as expected.

Setting DuckDuckGo as the search engine for your browser's address bar means all these bangs work right there whenever you open a new tab.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by smnrchrds on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @04:14PM (#15297796)
It depends on language settings. I have set DDG region to Canada and language to Canadian French. As a result, !w redirects mne to French Wikipedia.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by qweqweqweqw on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @04:59PM (#15298196)
I, too, switched to DDG, but sadly my most used bang is !g because in 1/3 cases DDG doesn't find what I am looking for.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by chuckledog on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:39PM (#15300203)
Does DDG learn from what people !g for?
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by l1feh4ck on Thursday September 21, 2017 @08:32AM (#15302658)
I would place my bet on that. That would be a query they need to work on.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by SeanDav on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:21AM (#15302009)
I would sincerely hope not! i.e. Tracking.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by dredmorbius on Thursday September 21, 2017 @07:13AM (#15302260)
If that information isn't personalised in any fashion and the data are retained for a minimum period, I'd be OK with sorting out what types of queries aren't satisfied on DDG itself.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:23PM (#15295532)

    !hn does something or another
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by 0x4a42 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:13PM (#15296066)
Some might be less useful tho, try:

!ddg google

Or if you are feeling lucky:

!!ddg google

:)

edit: typo

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Fiaxhs on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:14AM (#15292456)
It's worth noting that the !g bang redirects you to encrypted.google.com, it's more secure but results are often different from a regular www.google.com search. It bugged me for a while not knowing why some queries returned unusual results. ( more here https://duck.co/forum/thread/2880/remove-the-encrypted-subdo... )
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by sd8dgf8ds8g8dsg on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:56AM (#15292708)
www.google.com uses encryption too these days.

You are linking to a ~5 year old thread that is discussing the state of things well before google switched everything over to ssl.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by thisacctforreal on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:00AM (#15294462)
For a while I believe the difference was specifically that encrypted.google.com exclusively used PFS SSL cipher suites
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by inetknght on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:13AM (#15293342)
> linking to encrypted.google.com not only is not necessary but it prevents local search results from being displayed. e.g. no google.ro search results, only google.com

I can only see this as a good thing. If I want local search results, I'll add local qualifiers like "USA", "Texas", "Houston"

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by stefantheard on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:10AM (#15293872)
That was an odd one to read, being in Houston. I thought somehow you added wildcards that were auto filled with the users location, I then realized that I'm an idiot.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by zeven7 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:16PM (#15295438)
You could also do searches for yourself like "Stefan" and "Theard" and even type your password in like "* * * * * * * *".
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by kyrias on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:17AM (#15294676)
A lot of JavaScript things have been buggy for me with encrypted.google.com as well. For example the Google timer cards and such often just won't start at all, while they'll work fine on the regular google.com.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by l1feh4ck on Thursday September 21, 2017 @08:38AM (#15302705)
It's a sad fact that regular google results are sometimes better than encrypted.google.com. It is like regular google knows what "I" want.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by thomastjeffery on Thursday September 21, 2017 @02:49PM (#15306319)
The difference isn't the encryption, but the fact that Google tracks your searches to give you "better" results.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by shpx on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:25AM (#15294795)
I added bangs to google by defining custom search engines with a one or two letter prefix in chrome://settings/searchEngines

Now if I type "h my-search" into the omnibar, it goes to google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+my-search which gives me only Google search results from HN.

This is using google's algorithm (not the search bar built into whichever website like DDG) which is still the best, especially if you constrain it to one domain name. I also don't have to type the "!"

The prefix messes up google's text prediction. I guess no one from the chromium team is using this feature, since it would be trivial to fix.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by forapurpose on Thursday September 21, 2017 @12:28AM (#15300595)
That also works with bookmark keywords in Firefox. The setting is in each bookmark's properties; it takes variables (I leave it to the reader to look up the syntax).
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by notspanishflu on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:37AM (#15292597)
It's better to use the '!s' bang. Is like using '!g' but with more privacy because uses startpage.com
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by itsnotvalid on Thursday September 21, 2017 @03:39AM (#15301265)
Then what's the difference between using !g and startpage.com ?
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by dhimes on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:05PM (#15295287)
I didn't realize google allowed this kind of thing.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by NuDinNou on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:18AM (#15294697)
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by toxican on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:36AM (#15293550)
I tried switching to DDG a few years ago, but I found myself using !ge more often than not, so I wasn't really sure what the point of using DDG was. For my needs, DDG's results are pretty mediocre. Which is a shame, becuase I'd rather support them over Google.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by jerf on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:41AM (#15293582)
Your needs a few years ago, or your needs now? As benbenhu says, it has gotten a lot better. Lately I've found that when DDG doesn't have the thing I want and I stick the !g in, Google doesn't necessarily do any better, which implies that it's just a hard search.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by bleuarff on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:47AM (#15294324)
I second that. I rarely use the !g bang (no need for that, DDG has the anwsers), but when I do I don't get anything more significant.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Brakenshire on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:53PM (#15295880)
Would be interested to hear what search engines people here use. I feel the promise of DDG is the ability to match your search engine to your purpose. Maybe if you want to search for a particular code snippet you can use a search engine that is friendly to programming syntax. Or if you want more lateral results, you use a search engine with an unusual algorithm. But I haven't yet been able to find alternatives, if they exist.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by dispo001 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:06PM (#15298753)
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Zhyl on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:19AM (#15294699)
The 'I'm feeling lucky' one is great.

'<Song name> !' or '<song name> youtube !' takes you right to it.

I'd love a feature that opens the first result on a search engine like wikipedia does by default. Biggest use case for me would be imdb but there would be others.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by deltaprotocol on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @02:23PM (#15296749)
Well, lucky you!

DuckDuckGo has that by using a backslash, a space and a search term (\ bed intruder youtube) or an exclamation a space and the search term (although I believe the former is the official way now). I use it all the time, it's like a superpower.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by roryisok on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:38PM (#15299925)
I've been a happy ddg user for months now but never knew about this, thanks!
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by a_dev_1234 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:46AM (#15294308)
I'm tired of people mentioning !g. If you want to use google, just use google. Stop using duck duck go just to search google, and then say "but duck duck go is better" lo. no it isn't. clearly.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by striking on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:53AM (#15294369)
It's a way to wean yourself off of Google or quickly see results from a different perspective. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just an easy way out for people who don't trust ddg just yet.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by makapuf on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:33PM (#15296264)
That and its a Good way To help ddg (recording used search queries) and getting google results
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by godshatter on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:40PM (#15295719)
If you want to use google, but don't want them to connect you to your search terms and connect you to their ecosystem and track you some more, then use DDG and !g.

Now that I've learned that !a works for amazon.com and duckduckgo.com gets affiliate revenue that way, then that's how I'll search amazon from now on. Need to boost up the underdog that cares about privacy, because google surely doesn't.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by FabHK on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:56AM (#15294410)
With DDG as my default search engine (Safari, macOS & iOS), I can (in the rare cases that I need to) easily and quickly search on google or startpage or other sites (by appending !g or !s in the search box).

If you're on Google as your default search engine, it's not so convenient to see other engine's results (plus you're being tracked all the time).

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by unethical_ban on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:50AM (#15294348)
Yeah, if someone is just going to search Google all the time. If one is going to use DDG most of the time, but then pivots, it's worth noting. I use DDG to get to Wikipedia, Amazon, Google Images, and sometimes Google (for technical searches).
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by pkhagah on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:36AM (#15294928)
It's not about using duckduckgo to search with google. I use it when duckduckgo results aren't good enough, instead of typing everything in google again. I have been using it less frequently recently.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by epicide on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:05PM (#15295298)
When I tried it years ago, I would search DDG first, then use !g if I didn't get what I wanted. I ended up using that a lot, so I switched back to Google.

Sounds like they have changed a lot since then, so I'll probably give it another shot.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by imwally on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:57PM (#15299742)
But then you can’t use bangs anymore. I think the idea is that Google is there if you need it while still retaining the benefit of using bangs. So, it’s the best of both worlds.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by malnourish on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:56AM (#15294405)
It's completely valid to use that when you are searching for something local. Something that ddg shouldn't really do.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by grepthisab on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:23AM (#15292901)
Same here. Tried a while back and didn't really take. I found myself Googling most things after DDG'ing them. Tried again recently because I love the mission, and it's working much better. Usually what I want is in the top few results, although Google still does a bit better with search result quality. I see myself using it as my main search engine at this point.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by graphitezepp on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:01AM (#15293236)
I only miss google as a DDG user when DDG doesn't have a tool google has to give you an automatic result, i.e. when trying to look up some unit conversion ratio like lb to kg. But when you know that is what you want there is always !g.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by AdamSC1 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:46AM (#15293631)
Hey graphitezepp,

We do have some of those tools, at DuckDuckGo they are called "Instant Answers."

For example the query: "2 lb to kg" will bring you to this results page https://duckduckgo.com/?q=2+lb+to+kg&ia=answer

You can see all our Instant Answers here: https://duck.co/ia

If something isn't triggering for you - let us know with the feedback tool on the site!

Disclaimer: DDG staff.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by thehashrocket on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:12PM (#15296056)
If you could get a "within the past year" search filter it would make me the happiest developer in the world. :)
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by autotypo on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @05:37PM (#15298545)
And a CC-filtered image search.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by crusty on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:34AM (#15313093)
+1 (million) It's one of the few things that takes me back to Google (others being !gi & !gm).

Get that 'in last year' filter already, DDG. I think I've complained about this through feedback before.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by jxcl on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:11AM (#15294592)
Do you know about the `units` command?

  $ units
  Currency exchange rates from www.timegenie.com on 2017-08-24 
  2980 units, 109 prefixes, 96 nonlinear units
  
  You have: 5 lbs
  You want: kg
  	* 2.2679619
  	/ 0.44092452
  You have: 100 furlongs
  You want: meters
  	* 20116.8
  	/ 4.9709695e-05
  You have: 100 miles/hour
  You want: meters/second
  	* 44.704
  	/ 0.022369363
  You have: 2 kiloisraelnewshekels
  You want: picodollars
  	* 5.5271109e+14
  	/ 1.8092635e-15
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by marcosdumay on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:38PM (#15295701)
I like `qalc` a lot:

    > 5 pounds to kg
    5 * pound = approx. 2.2679619 kg

    > x^2 + 8*x = 4
    ((x^2) + (8 * x)) = 4 = approx. x = 0.47213595 or x = -8.472136
And so on.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by iainmerrick on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:41AM (#15295003)
I didn't know about that! Strange interface, though -- why isn't the first response just "2.27kg"?
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by jxcl on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:00PM (#15295243)
Because a kg goes into 5 lbs 2.2679619 times, and 5 lbs goes into 1 kg 0.44092452 times.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by iainmerrick on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:45PM (#15295777)
The first number is the one I want, pretty much 100% of the time, and I hardly ever need 8 digits of precision.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by dredmorbius on Thursday September 21, 2017 @07:14AM (#15302265)
Units absolutely rocks. It can do quite complex calculations as well, and you can add to the units it knows.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by mattlondon on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @04:15PM (#15297801)
+1

I also tried it a few years ago but was disappointed by the speed - at a time when the google search responses came back "instantly", the latency of DDG was noticeable and not good-enough.

Fast forward to 2017 and that appears to have been solved and the results are as fast as google are from what my brain/eyes can tell anyway - I would not be surprised to find out that google was faster if you timed it. In the past 6+ months I've been using DDG, I've only ever found the need to switch back to google once (and that was image search)

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by otakucode on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:00AM (#15292724)
I've had DDG as my primary search engine for I'd guess at least 5 years if not more. It's extremely rare that I ever need to use anything else. I do wish there was a way to tell Yummly to go to hell whenever I search for recipes, though.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by SevereOverfl0w on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:17AM (#15294667)
I use this script to hide domains I hate from search results: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/1682-google-hit-hider-by-d...

(Title is google, but works for ddg amongst other things also)

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by tqkxzugoaupvwqr on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:12AM (#15292812)
You can exclude keywords by using the minus sign, e.g. “-yummly”. This excludes all search results that contain yummly.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by james_pm on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:33AM (#15292981)
I saw this feature request submitted the other day via the subreddit. Here's hoping! https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/70rent/enhancem...
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by RUG3Y on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:52AM (#15295125)
Same here. Two years ago DDG just wasn't cutting it. Today, I'm just fine with it.

I especially like how programming questions usually provide a top result from Stack Overflow, a lot of times I don't even need to click the link to see the answer I'm looking for.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by artem_dev on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:21PM (#15296138)
Actually Google provides the top programming answers from SO, Quora etc places. DDG just uses this.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by mattmanser on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:30AM (#15292220)
I've been using it for the last 6 months.

The problem is, whenever you can't find something in DDG, you assume it's because it's DDG, and search again with !g. Meaning I end up requerying 40% or so of my searches using !g (prefixing your query with !g redirects your query from DDG to encrypted google)

Here's some example queries I ended up !g yesterday that had much better results in google than DDG:

reduce kendo javascript file size - For me, the useful result was number 2 in google. In DDG it was number 11 ("Only What You Need | Kendo UI Getting Started").

ptr overwatch - PTR is the test patch of the game overwatch. It's regularly changed. The correct result "Overwatch PTR Now Available - August 29, 2017" is number 1 in google, in DDG the blog post August 12th is not available (well, correct from my perspective)

I tend to find anything speculative DDG is fairly terrible at. For example yesterday I was googling about trying to identify the source of some weird animation CPU cycles I was seeing in Chrome Performance Profiler, I didn't really get to the bottom of it, but I ended up ditching DDG and doing all the queries in google because I would otherwise have ended up searching everything twice.

I'm also getting quite frustrated with the "instant answer" functionality, it's generally terrible. One of the most annoying ones is the SO instant answer that just utterly sucks, you can't see the code, it usually cuts anything useful in half, and takes up a HUGE amount of space meaning on a laptop you've got to scroll to start seeing the results. I just want to be able to turn it off, but because they don't track you they don't offer that functionality.

Also the maps one is really bad. I almost always want directions, but clicking the map takes me to a really nonfunctional, bare-bones map that doesn't have directions and then I have to click another button to actually get the directions. There's a drop down where you can choose your map type, but it definitely doesn't work as expected, I just want it to always embed a google maps instead of whatever they're doing.

Basically UX ain't DDG's strong point.

Ironically, if you DDG: "turn off certain instant answers duckduckgo" it comes up with terrible search results and no answer. If you "!g turn off certain instant answers duckduckgo", the top result is at least relevant.

I also find the entire bang thing to be a gimmick. Who wants to use !r when !g with "reddit" at the end will always get you better search results, reddit's own search is abysmal (as is !so).

EDIT: I'm being overly negative, after all, I haven't actually switched back, like I did last time I tried to use DDG. So it's definitely worth a go, but I don't think it's ready for your Mum to use. Also, I have Bing on my phone's Chrome to avoid AMP, and it's actually quite good.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Lifesnoozer on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:40AM (#15292278)
DDG is definitely behind Google still, although it's come really far in a few years. I agree with most of what you're writing, but personally I'm okay with it not replacing 100% of my searches yet, got to start somewhere and I feel this is an acceptable point to switch at.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by FabHK on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:13AM (#15292451)
Weird, I find myself reverting to Google (or rather Startpage, !s) maybe once or twice a month, when I don't find satisfying results on DDG. And I'd say that in many if not most cases, I don't find good answers on Google then, either.

And I quite like using bangs, e.g. !w for Wikipedia or !i for images, rather than having to go to the initial search results on the search engine and then clicking again.

Finally, I like that on DDG, you can just arrow up/down through the search results, and then open one with enter (or cmd-enter to open it in a background tab), without reverting to the mouse.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by pault on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:58AM (#15292711)
If you use chrome, check out the vimium extension. It maps most browser actions to vim keys and makes mouseless navigation super easy.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by j_s on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:44AM (#15293085)
QuteBrowser "is a keyboard-focused browser with a minimal GUI." https://qutebrowser.org/

You know you're onto something when the #1 documentation link is a key binding cheatsheet!

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Vinnl on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:45AM (#15293093)
Actually works well on Firefox 57 (soon to be released) as well :)

(And those on older versions can use VimFx until 57 is released.)

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by akvadrako on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:19AM (#15292873)
You always find what you are looking for, except twice a month? That means you aren't looking for very difficult things.

I don't ever find what I want a few times most days and need multiple sources/queries quite frequently.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by FabHK on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:00AM (#15294459)
Or rather I've given up the assumption that Google has significantly better results.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by notspanishflu on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:40AM (#15292610)
When I don't like the DDG results, I use the '!s' bang instead of '!g'.

That means more privacy because uses startpage.com

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by StavrosK on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:02AM (#15292387)
I have a rather better experience than you. Yes, DDG isn't as good as Google in programming queries, but it's good everywhere else, and I like knowing that most of my searches aren't tracked. That's worth having to retry a few searches once in a while.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by cyberpunk0 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:09AM (#15294568)
Same problem here! For development searches Google typically blows ddg out of the water but I still love ddg for general search. I didnt know about the !g :D
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by cosarara97 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:46AM (#15295044)
> Also, I have Bing on my phone's Chrome to avoid AMP, and it's actually quite good

You can also use google on Firefox for Android. No AMP there.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by jstanley on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @05:49AM (#15292026)
Same story here.

And since I regularly browse via a Digital Ocean VM, the lack of CAPTCHAs on DuckDuckGo is refreshing as well.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by morganvachon on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:35AM (#15292579)
"And since I regularly browse via a Digital Ocean VM"

Do you mean using a DO VM as a VPN, or via X11 forwarding to your desktop over SSH, or actually browsing on the DO VM's desktop using VNC? I've done all three in the past as experiments in private browsing, and the latter is too laggy to be comfortable.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by jstanley on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:32AM (#15292971)
The first one.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by sethrin on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:06AM (#15292407)
> And since I regularly browse via a Digital Ocean VM

If you don't mind my asking, why? And by which method do you usually accomplish this?

Edit: Thanks for explaining the CAPTCHA issue.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by SCHiM on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:25AM (#15292522)
Why? Maybe he/she wants to bypass data collection in his/her country. Or desires more privacy, or something else.

How?

ssh -D 8080 digital-ocean-vm-here.tld

Now port 8080 on your local machine is a socks proxy for your vm.

Google is really tor/proxy/anonymous user unfriendly. Requiring users to solve as many as four or five CAPTCHAs (seriously fuck you google).

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by dx034 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:07AM (#15293290)
> Google is really tor/proxy/anonymous user unfriendly. Requiring users to solve as many as four or five CAPTCHAs (seriously fuck you google).

They're like this for a reason. They didn't implement complex detection of proxies to annoy users. Just to keep everyone out who's not supposed to use their search.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by striking on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:59AM (#15294452)
Yeah, people like to try and crawl Google. So they're keeping robots out.

But it's actually really nice to be able to pull a result or two from ddg by crawling, or to be able to use a VPN without having to solve a zillion captcha.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Steeeve on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:51PM (#15295851)
I run into those captcha's occasionally and generally reconnecting to a different VPN makes them go away. I always assume they are tied to bot activity coming through the same IP or range. I've scraped google in the past (years and years ago) and from what I recall you end up hitting the captchas after a set number of results in too short a period. Back then it was a pretty standard SEO activity, but it's usefulness was minimized when google started localizing results.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by kuschku on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @02:45PM (#15296974)
Which is funny, because those people can easily circumvent these measures, and crawl Google anyway.

The only one hurt are the users.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by r3bl on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:42AM (#15292623)
> And what do the CAPTCHAs have to do with it?

Have you ever tried using Google's search over a VPN / Tor / public proxy? They're even worse than Cloudflare was with their CAPTCHAs).

> Why?

Probably to avoid fuckery by the local ISP and/or government.

> And how?

I'm assuming he meant OpenVPN or something, but I might be wrong.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by kronos29296 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:35AM (#15294919)
It is quite for common things but searching uncommon ones always throws it off. Searching for research publications in a specific domain or just haskell or some thing like just returns 1good result with 10 bad ones. So I use !g for those.

Also the autocorrect really throws my search terms off while Google does is right most of the time.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by barrkel on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:02PM (#15295261)
Interesting: autocorrect on Google is almost always wrong for me. Every day, I need to add quotes to maybe 20 of my search queries.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by kronos29296 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:53PM (#15295874)
Interestingly ddg requires quotes for me atleast twice a day. Still I have to use Google for stuff like Google scholar. So !g is pretty common for me.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:06PM (#15299781)
If you're searching for scholarly material:

    !scholar <terms>
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Steeeve on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:44PM (#15295760)
I use it as my default, and I find that at least once a day I ad a g! to my query to go to the google results. I started maybe a month and a half ago and at this point I have a decent instinct as to when I'm going to need to go to google.

The privacy aspect was the driver for me, but it wasn't enough to make the switch all this time. The privacy aspect coupled with an easy way to get google results when I need them is. While I've known they had the bang queries for a long time, it was actually a youtube search result that finally made me shift. I forget what it was, but I was searching for something for my kids and it looked like my activity had polluted the results. That has been a problem for quite some time and this particular instance was enough for me to make the change. It was a harmless, but I really don't like the idea that my activity will potentially bleed into that of my family, and frankly I get irritated when their activity bleeds into mine. DuckDuckGo doesn't replace youtube search, but it was more of the general principal. I tried working with different accounts over the years, but it's not easy to switch on all platforms and if you've ever tried entering a 60 character password on a playstation, you know why that's a non-starter.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by blisterpeanuts on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:48AM (#15292302)
Ditto, for the past month or two. I'd love to get off of Gmail and Google drive, as well, but that's a longer term project.

Main reason: concerns about tracking and privacy.

Secondarily: politics.

DDG so far has been acceptable. As long as they keep their political opinions to themselves, the honeymoon will continue. My love affair with Google, on the other hand, is over. :(

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by AdamSC1 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:06AM (#15293286)
Email is a tough one, but I've been using FastMail.

No advertising, strong privacy policy, based in Australia (a country with a decent privacy track record that we know of).

It's $3/month which is a decent price for liberating a lot of data from advertisers.

The spam filter is playing catch-up to Google so that's a bit of a shock at first, but you can train it up well or use second layer measures like Sanebox.

Disclaimer: DDG staff - but personal opinion.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by criddell on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:22PM (#15295525)
> concerns about tracking and privacy

When DDG shows an ad, is there no tracking involved in that? For example, if I were to click on an ad (after turning my ad blocker off), does the destination site not get any information about me or specifically what I searched for?

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Zekio on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:05AM (#15293822)
If you don't send a lot of emails but receive a lot and need many aliases you might wanna check out https://migadu.com
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by NaliSauce on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:01AM (#15292085)
Out of interest: what is the reason/are the reasons that made you switch?
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Lifesnoozer on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:06AM (#15292115)
I started feeling like I had all my eggs in the same basket. Google has my email, it knows where I want to go and when (Google Maps), it translates stuff for me, and it knows what I search for. While it doesn't really affect me that Google has all this information, I've become more and more uncomfortable with the fact that they do.

So I figured if I had a choice of two search engines, where I get satisfying results in both of them, and one of them doesn't track me, why go for the one that tracks me?

I'd gladly do the same switch when it comes to Gmail, but I really really like Gmail's web interface, haven't gotten over that hurdle yet.

EDIT: I also switched from Google Chrome for pretty much the same reasons.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by StavrosK on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:04AM (#15292398)
I made the jump to Fastmail.com and couldn't be happier. The UI is very snappy (much faster than Gmail's), the actual notifications and delivery is faster, and it's a better experience overall, for me.

Plus, Google doesn't get to see my mail any more. Ditto for Firefox vs Chrome.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by tallanvor on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:34AM (#15292569)
I'm a fan of moving away from Google where possible as well, but Fastmail would cost me $500/year with 10 accounts. My G Suite account is one of the original, so I can have up to 200 accounts for free. Granted, it's only 15GB of storage, but even after about 10 years, I only have about 1GB in my inbox, so I'm ok with the lower amount of space.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by StavrosK on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:20AM (#15293990)
Wow, what do you do with 10 accounts? Isn't checking all of them a hassle?

I have multiple domains and aliases, and Fastmail is much better at those than Google Apps ever was (I also have the free plan but you can never change your initial domain), so I'm much happier.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by tallanvor on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:04PM (#15295282)
Several accounts are for separating services - AWS has it's own account, for example, so does Dropbox. I use a different email address for forums and such.

A few for friends and family as well. --Friends I can tell to pay for themselves if I need to, but family, not so much.

Edit: As for checking them, most don't get many emails, and every good email app can handle multiple accounts easily, so I get notifications on my phone.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by StavrosK on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @02:05PM (#15296610)
Fastmail allows you to do things like [email protected], and then you can filter emails by that domain name. Lets you easily block out spam without having completely different email addresses.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by reaperducer on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:50AM (#15295096)
I have six. Some of my clients ask me to manage their AdWords for them. Plus, I occasionally need to log in to my wife's Gmail account. (To confirm logins when paying bills, for example. Anything personal, she's smart enough to keep on her own domain.)
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by StavrosK on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @02:05PM (#15296615)
So you don't really have six, you just have five of other people's logins?
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Flimm on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:19AM (#15293394)
Fastmail give you free aliases.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:07PM (#15295322)
FastMail aliases are great. I've used some for sites I'm more likely to want to cut off access to me, for instance. Whereas [email protected] gives you sortability, a true alias gives you the easy ability to just shut a site out of access to you.

Another issue I had was that my main email address was already in Google and Microsoft's systems for a couple reasons, and it wouldn't let me set it properly when changing my email address everywhere. So I have google@ and microsoft@ aliases just to work around their account management quirks.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by tallanvor on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:05PM (#15295300)
The problem with aliases is still that they route to one account, and if it's compromised, there's no separation.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by forgottenpass on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:28AM (#15294078)
Interesting that you bring up the UI, switching to Fastmail's UI made me start checking/managing my personal email like a responsible adult again.

I could never get over the way using GMail felt like fighting with a sluggish toy version of email compared to desktop outlook (and I'm not really a fan of outlook, either). I just assumed that GMail's interface was the best a webapp could offer: it was the best I'd seen so far and had a no-longer-deserved "who could beat gmail at webmail?" bug in my mind.

I'm kinda surprised fastmail hasn't made larger inroads among the kind of techies that will occasionally bemoan giving their lives over to google.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by StavrosK on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @02:08PM (#15296633)
I am really surprised at how fast its UI loads and operates. It feels like a native app in a web where everything else feels like a slug. Major props to Fastmail for this. Hell, even Thunderbird feels slower.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by newbear on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:37AM (#15292593)
Did you consider protonmail? If so, why fastmail?
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by j_s on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:50AM (#15293132)
This discussion last month includes many anecdotes regarding various email providers:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15029186

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by macintux on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:35AM (#15293538)
I can only speak for my own decision-making process, but I like to pay for my email so that I have greater confidence that the provider will still be in business 10 years from now, and more confidence that my data is my own.

Really like Fastmail.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by newbear on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:08AM (#15294562)
How does paying ensure the data is your own?
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by endemic on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:08PM (#15295338)
Paying means that the provider doesn't have to mine your email for keywords in order to display targeted ads (yeah, I know Google theoretically stopped doing this recently). So perhaps "your own" in the sense that another entity isn't accessing it.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by eh78ssxv2f on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:09PM (#15299502)
> So perhaps "your own" in the sense that another entity isn't accessing it.

Do they have a spam filter? If yes, how do they filter emails without accessing it?

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by admiralpumpkin on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:03PM (#15295268)
You're the customer, not their product.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by newbear on Thursday September 21, 2017 @12:17AM (#15300555)
But the data is still not in your control. Right?
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by SAI_Peregrinus on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:11AM (#15294598)
Protonmail has paid plans.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by imron on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:40AM (#15293577)
It does every time you send an email to someone with a gmail address ;-)

I also agree that Fastmail is great.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Vinnl on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:47AM (#15293108)
Same here, trying to avoid it as much as possible Google now mainly has my email and calendar. I feel like there should be a better option for calendar but I haven't been able to find it yet (probably because I use DDG :P), but sadly, the only thing with a better interface than Gmail is Google Inbox, so...
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by chrisper on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:06AM (#15293284)
The problem is that Google often provides the best service for the buck. But even if money is taken out of the equation some Google services are just the best. Like Google maps or even G suite (this might vary by person).

Hard to avoid them in that case.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Chris2048 on Sunday October 01, 2017 @05:48PM (#15380030)
Any centralized efforts for this kind of thing? I'd like the same..
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by louhike on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:16AM (#15292159)
You went from Chrome to Firefox?
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by Lifesnoozer on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:19AM (#15292180)
Safari at the moment but thinking about going to Firefox
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by logan5 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:33AM (#15292245)
I switched from Chrome to Brave a few months ago. https://www.brave.com/
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by MistahKoala on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:17AM (#15292854)
I attempted it but extension support is not especially user-friendly.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by michaelbrooks on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:50AM (#15293665)
I would recommend Vivaldi as it supports Chrome extensions. Chrome apps can be installed, but not used (hopefully Vivaldi fixes that).

I really like the idea of Brave, but not having extension support is a major hurdle which I hope they get over.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by MistahKoala on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @05:39PM (#15298568)
I'm currently using Vivaldi, but have to say that it's not really an ideal analogue of Chrome as it doesn't carry over some of the everyday features and affordances of Chrome. That's partly understandable, because it's actually (apparently) intended to be a browser for Opera users to migrate to. It's also a bit buggy.

I'm surprised there isn't a straightforward and user-friendly Google-less Chromium browser available.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by michaelbrooks on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:43AM (#15301584)
I 100% agree with your statement, but I feel that Vivaldi is currently the best browser that's close to Chrome in terms of feature parity. Hopefully though, with more support, they will become an efficient browser that's unique enough to be separate from Chrome but have the features we know and love.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by dreen on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:08AM (#15292420)
Been using Brave on mobile and it's great, but the UI layout on desktop is awkward so I don't use it there.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by nextlevelwizard on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:34AM (#15292251)
Anecdotally I'm in the same boat. I use Firefox at work on Linux, but at home (on MacOS) Safari works/looks/feels better than Firefox.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by saiya-jin on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:52AM (#15292324)
Firefox on Android is vastly superior experience due to one simple thing - extensions. microBlock origin makes web actually usable again on mobile platforms.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by louhike on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:23AM (#15294756)
Yes, yes and yes. Though some extensions do not work, uBlock works and it's a life savior.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by cormacrelf on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:15AM (#15293358)
Firefox 57/Nightly! Do it.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by geekme on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:39PM (#15295710)
I moved from firefox to opera
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by bitL on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:37AM (#15292265)
In my case it was this annoying Google's insistence on telling me what I was actually looking for instead of searching exactly what I wanted, including ignoring "" etc. It became too much hassle, I felt like fighting with windmills, then tried DDG, it did what I told it, results weren't terrible, so now I use it by default and only a few times a week I need to try Google. Maybe for regular folks Google's way is a lifesaver, but for precise search I need it feels like Altavista back when I was a kid.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by flyinghamster on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:56AM (#15292707)
> In my case it was this annoying Google's insistence on telling me what I was actually looking for instead of searching exactly what I wanted, including ignoring "" etc.

GOD YES! This gets incredibly annoying when searching for version-specific information, considering the differences there can be between version foo and version bar of $DISTRO. Nothing like searching for something specific to CentOS 7 and getting zillions of CentOS 6 and 5 hits.

Google will also helpfully ignore the "Verbatim" option, and God help you if you're trying to search for multiple specific phrases.

Google is looking more and more like Alta Vista in its waning days.

Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by SubiculumCode on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:59AM (#15294450)
I like the suggestion functionality for typo correction, but dont like it when Google assumes something other than I wrote. This is bad. It often happens when searching technical stuff. I am not regular Joe and I don't search regular stuff.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by mattkevan on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:21AM (#15294735)
Recently switched to DDG on my devices and I’m impressed with how much better it is than when I tried a few years ago.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by segmondy on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:08AM (#15293845)
I did the same too 2 months. If I can't it, I'll give yahoo and bing a chance first before Google. There really hasn't been much that I can't find with the first 3.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by pingec on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:39AM (#15293044)
I would be very interested in reading on how to best do the migration on various devices, for example Chrome on desktop, Chrome on Android etc.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by SilvaR on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:27AM (#15311931)
Have they since reduced their dependency on Bing for search results? I feel that, while that's the case, there is no point in switching.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by mitja_belak on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:47AM (#15293646)
Same here. They used to be fringe back then, now they are quite reliant for everything that isnt really overly specific.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by usuallymatt on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @03:41PM (#15297482)
Same here. Had always switched back but this time I'm almost 1 month into using DDG and have no desire to go back.
Re:DuckDuckGo vs Google by whataretensors on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:10PM (#15295370)
I actually find myself going to DDG after searching on devices that default to Google. The results are much better for a lot of different things. They even have a cryptocurrency tab.