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Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by thirdsun on Monday March 27, 2017 @08:41AM (#13967173)
I really hope they don't lose focus on the quality of their original content.

I understand that not everything Netflix does is tailored to me, particularly due to Netflix' growing, increasingly mainstream audience, diverse and varying preferences, more ground to cover, etc.

However lately Netflix' content simply seems to lack substance to me. It feels as if it's just the superficial result of throwing a promising combination of those very specific tags/categories the services is famous for onto the assembly line and ending up with a show or film that, while ticking all the boxes and not being bad at all, is still pretty far off the masterpieces of the medium. I'm not sure if classics like The Wire, The Sopranos or Mad Men could have been created with such a formulaic approach and I'm missing shows of that caliber on Netflix. Maybe the service should offer brillant content creators the freedom and opportunity to do the shows they want to do, instead of dictating the theme and framework.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by jwl on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:17AM (#13967435)
> However lately Netflix' content simply seems to lack substance to me. It feels as if it's just the superficial result of throwing a promising combination of those very specific tags/categories the services is famous for onto the assembly line and ending up with a show or film that, while ticking all the boxes and not being bad at all, is still pretty far off the masterpieces of the medium.

That is very much the feeling I got from Stranger Things. It is solid in almost every way, but it also felt like it was written to maximize variables and checkboxes from a user survey. Add characters, references and stylistic choices to get the most 80's nostalgic feeling in the viewer as possible.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by cholantesh on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:03AM (#13968270)
Interesting; I feel that Stranger Things is one of their stronger recent offerings. Much better than Flaked, Love, or Master of None.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by Chathamization on Monday March 27, 2017 @03:05PM (#13970687)
I really liked Stranger Things and Master of None. Didn't like Daredevil or Luke Cage, which are two of their better reviewed shows.

This is one of the reasons why I appreciate Netflix. Instead of a bunch of shows that everyone considers average, it's taken some risks and created shows that some people consider great and others dislike. I'll take that over a bunch of lukewarm shows anytime.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by sAbakumoff on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:12AM (#13968351)
:) I tried to watch stranger things twice and couldn't have finished it as it feels like very stupid show that tries to play on 80x nostalgia. Master of none I watched twice and think that it's the masterpiece.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by nbarbettini on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:35AM (#13968578)
Master of None didn't do it for me, but I loved Stranger Things.

This is a great example of how Netflix's model works well for "long tail" content. They can produce and keep shows around that have a different or smaller audience than traditional networks can.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by ConceptJunkie on Monday March 27, 2017 @03:40PM (#13970994)
The difference of opinion in this small sample is good. As long as a show has some people who love it, that's a good thing. Content made for the widest audience possible is usually bland and predictable... just look at pop music in the last few decades. Network TV is just as bad because if a show isn't a hit in 2 or 3 episodes they pull it. If they'd done that in era of "classic TV" (60s - 80s), half the most famous ever wouldn't have made it.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by bobbyi_settv on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:06AM (#13967784)
Can we at least agree that they are seeking to "maximize variables and checkboxes" much less now than in the past?

They started with Game of Cards and Orange is the New Black which are the strongest examples in history of creating content based on what data tells you people want, because those were their first few series and they couldn't afford to have them flop.

Nowadays, they make such a wide range of shows, they can afford to sometimes just take a risk on giving talented people money and hoping they make a great show that finds an audience.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by fredley on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:15AM (#13967849)
Game of Cards would be an interesting watch.

One series I've enjoyed recently is The OA which is definitely not a box-ticking exercise of a series - the complete opposite. I'm happy it's been renewed for a second season, but I can't imagine it's driving any revenue directly.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by thoughtpalette on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:36AM (#13968034)
Anecdotal but I can't stand the OA. Loved it until the dancing aspect. Total turn off from the show. :\
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by shawnee_ on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:38AM (#13968595)
This sentiment seems fairly common in various comment threads I've seen. The dancing aspect seems to evoke in some people... discomfort or something hard to pin down, and I wonder why. At the end of the day, electricity is still electricity whether it's being delivered through power lines or pulsed through fiber optics or pulled and stored in someone as static electricity as they dance. Most science fiction dealing with time travel or teleportation seems to rely on a machine or a suit or a phone booth or some mysterious futuristic means of energy. Yet tribal dancing is one of the oldest human traditions of energy expenditure, done ritualistically. It doesn't seem entirely outlandish to me that a certain configuration of certain energy expenditures by humans could create some sort of ripple or warp or whatever in time space.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by slg on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:44PM (#13969289)
I think part of the problem is that it signified a shift in genre for a lot of people. You start out with a mad scientist who is doing experiments trying to understand death and the story of the girl who escaped his grasps. The dancing scene transitioned the show to be about someone who can heal people with hand gestures. I enjoyed the twists, but I can certainly imagine someone viewing it as going from (somewhat) hard sci-fi to being about magic and that change turning them off the show. The fact that the actual dancing look ridiculous also probably didn't help.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by vertex-four on Monday March 27, 2017 @02:22PM (#13970306)
What? It was a story about an unreliable narrator and about belief the whole time to me - the story being told could've been anything.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by nitrogen on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @12:18AM (#13974033)
I find a lot of shows are trying to check both the "belief in belief" box and the "sciency" box at the same time, and it does a disservice to both. The OA on Netflix and The Oasis on Amazon are just two examples.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by thoughtpalette on Monday March 27, 2017 @01:59PM (#13970107)
I believe the dancing being ridiculous as well as the breathing sounds combined could have been the turning factors.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by Paul-ish on Monday March 27, 2017 @01:29PM (#13969821)
But the show doesn't give the viewer any solid evidence that the dancing did anything really. We have to trust the characters, and they could be unreliable narrators. The main characters in the show could be schizophrenic.

It's like a homeless man being in a cardboard box and duct tape suit screaming about his mech suit. You just feel bad for him.

It felt like a cheap attempt at being mysterious or deep. If you look at the people behind the show, it's seems like this is part for the course with their work.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by Joeri on Monday March 27, 2017 @02:20PM (#13970278)
The whole point of the show is that you can't know either way. You bring your own beliefs of what the show is about.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by Paul-ish on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @02:48PM (#13979457)
If someone told you the same story OA did, would you believe them?
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by btschaegg on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:13AM (#13968361)
I was also somewhat irritated by that. I still enjoyed the rest, though. The whole dancing thing just made me realize for the first time that the show won't keep all it's promises (for instance, the scene when OA bites the dog and it becomes "tame" had a lot of mystery surrounding it - but that's never resolved. And can never properly be explained by dancing ;-) ).
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by baddox on Monday March 27, 2017 @01:39PM (#13969914)
Oh my. I didn't make it past the first episode, but "dancing aspect" sounds so awful I almost want to go resume watching it.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by always_good on Monday March 27, 2017 @07:28PM (#13972732)
If you want a spoiler, this is what it all culminates to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3cqhNJkmIs (final scene of the season)
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by ada1981 on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:15AM (#13968376)
The OA is amazing and beautiful. I loved the incorporation of primal & tribal dancing -- it's been a huge driver of healing from trauma since the dawn of man.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by maverick_iceman on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:02PM (#13968838)
OA seems like a poor cousin of Stranger Things. Very slow paced and nothing much happens in S1.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by Joeri on Monday March 27, 2017 @02:23PM (#13970312)
The OA isn't for everyone. I loved it and thought the first season was thrilling. It reminds me of the leftovers, not because of any common tone or theme, but because it's a show people either love or really don't like.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by vertex-four on Monday March 27, 2017 @02:24PM (#13970331)
If you want to see slow paced, Sense8 takes the biscuit. I count about 10 minutes of actual plot over the entire season, primarily concentrated in the first and last episodes. It's obviously meant to be a character-driven story, but each of the characters is a two-dimensional stereotype.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by ada1981 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:15AM (#13977268)
I loved the OA, so perhaps I'll like Stranger Things even more? If I loved OA is it worth checking out ST?
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by wesd on Monday March 27, 2017 @03:46PM (#13971049)
How much of a say does Netflix has on the production of the shows? I thought one of the advantage of Netflix was that they don't interfere with the production of the shows and they let the creative people make the decisions.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by seibelj on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:23AM (#13967475)
I loved Stranger Things, as a die-hard X-Files fan (and similar type shows and movies) it was perfect for me.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by bitJericho on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:40AM (#13967594)
I felt that way too, until the ending. Every netflix show ends the same way. It was one checkmark too much. I really hope they start being a little more surprising.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by nojvek on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:55AM (#13968209)
Iron fist was a giant disappointment. Netflix could have done a much better job. I don't know how much marvel is to blame though.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by cavanasm on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:22PM (#13969024)
I generally enjoyed Iron Fist, but I definitely felt it was slower paced than any of the other Netflix Marvel series. It really felt like they were staging things for the Defenders (whenever that ends up coming out, although I hope this year).
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by ribosometronome on Monday March 27, 2017 @01:20PM (#13969711)
The showrunner for Iron Fist is also the fellow who gave us the last few season of Dexter.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by ConceptJunkie on Monday March 27, 2017 @03:37PM (#13970961)
There's nothing wrong with that. If "Stranger Things" were nothing more than an exercise in 80s nostalgia, then I would agree with you, but I found the story and characters compelling. The production values of the show really enhanced it, but they didn't make it. The story, characters, actors, etc., make it good show.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by mickronome on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:47AM (#13967655)
They almost certainly do optimise that way, and it's likely the easiest optimizations to do due to their somewhat superficial nature.

However, a data driven mindset should be applicable on deeper levels also, but that probably takes longer to become possible to analyse, and crucially, I belive that it is likely to need a baseline of stylistically optimized content before the value of more abstract concepts can be discerned from the data.

An unfortunate effect of data driven is also that unless you also chase some crazy (possible) trends in the data, you will regress to content with maximal earnings in the short to medium term.

Data doesn't carry visions, at least not by themselves!

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by wmeredith on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:53AM (#13967695)
I had the same feeling. I thought all the pieces of Stranger Things were pretty good, but overall it seemed soulless.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by untog on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:37AM (#13967574)
I believe that is literally how they made House of Cards - the original BBC show was relatively popular with people who also liked Kevin Spacey and work by David Fincher:

https://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/03/20/data-inspires-crea...

I can't argue against that kind of logic but also agree that it leaves Netflix offerings quite flat. The Crown is also a very good show, but you can almost feel the cross-section of Downton Abbey and The Kings Speech as you watch. I don't think you'd see the algorithm come up with a show like Transparent, for example.

IMO it's gotten worse with all this Marvel stuff. Maybe that's because I see it promoted more than other shows, but having tried a few they're pretty uninspired (and, for crossover purposes, all appear to share the same setting and overall feel). I know it isn't the case, but it feels like the algorithm has reached some sort of recursion loop: our viewers like gritty crime dramas starring superheroes, set in New York. So they'll love this new gritty crime drama starring a superhero, set in New York.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by thirdsun on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:45AM (#13967636)
It's ironic then that I regard House Of Cards' early seasons, particularly Season 1, as Netflix' best content to date. To me it felt as if they really aimed for a masterpiece. These days they seem to be fine with catering to popular categories, which might very well be the better approach when it comes to subscriber growth, but average to solid content straight from the Marvel template.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by maxerickson on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:45AM (#13968127)
Marvel thinks the world building has contributed to the success of their movies so of course they are going to do it on television.

(many of the Netflix actors have contract clauses for appearances in movies)

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by untog on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:03AM (#13968274)
Oh, I know. And I'm sure they're right. But as someone who has largely given up on the Marvel movies because they're too much effort for too little payoff, I'm dreading the day I can no longer understand Jessica Jones fully without also watching three ancillary shows and one unified ensamble show beforehand.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by teh_klev on Monday March 27, 2017 @01:25PM (#13969778)
> I'm dreading the day I can no longer understand Jessica Jones fully without also watching three ancillary shows and one unified ensamble show beforehand.

Heh this! When I started watching Agents of Shield, whether intended or not, I found the first season somewhat hard to penetrate. I ended up having to hit up Wikipedia, get my head around the Marvel Universe timeline and then watch relevant movies so I could slot in where AoS picks up its part of the Marvel Universe story.

I'm pretty sure all this is a dream come true for Marvel fans, but you can get too much of a good thing, and I now have Marvel-fatigue.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by Raknarg on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:37AM (#13968043)
I only like the marvel shows cause they have interesting villains, and they all seem to actually be leading to something cool, they tie together neatly.

My only hope is that we get more Fisk.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by btschaegg on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:22AM (#13968441)
Whole-heartedly agree. D’Onofrio is a ridiculously good cast for Kingpin.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by piva00 on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:55AM (#13967712)
I'm with you on the Marvel side, even more because they really push the formulaic cross-referencing of characters/situations.

I can remember one line in "Luke Cage" from Barnett saying "I'm going back to Hell's Kitchen", sounds very cheesy in that context and kinda broke the suspension of disbelief when watching, even though I think that "Luke Cage" is one of the best Marvel series on Netflix right now.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by zimzam on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:22AM (#13967908)
What's cheesy about that line? Hell's Kitchen is a real neighborhood in NYC.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by panzagl on Monday March 27, 2017 @01:54PM (#13970057)
I assume because Hell's Kitchen is Daredevil's territory, so it's a thinly veiled announcement of a crossover
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by rottyguy on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:55PM (#13969409)
except that hardly any of it portrays Hell's Kitchen NYC. The bar Luke owns, is actually in Alphabet City, NYC. Though I get that saying "I'm going back to ABC" doesn't have the same tone.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by surge on Monday March 27, 2017 @08:58AM (#13967283)
I can name at least a few shows that are at least on par with the ones named: House of Cards Orange Is the New Black Narcos Stranger Things The Crown

You're also naming one of a kind series most of whom are HBO produced. Sounds like you just like HBO, but even HBO doesn't put out shows like that every year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_original_programs_dist...

That said, they have real numbers so there will be more of a bent for casual less involved shows that probably reach a wider audience. That said, I don't seem to have a problem finding high caliber shows, but I'm also a sucker for the Marvel shows, etc they've been producing and happy to watch those A&E shows on Netflix or Amazon Prime.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by waistland01 on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:58AM (#13967732)
You're in the very small minority if you feel like House of Cards, Narcos, Stranger Things and The Crown are on par with The Sopranos and Mad Men. Orange is the New Black might have an argument to be put in the same atmosphere as those shows, but the others simply do not.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by skinnymuch on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:24PM (#13969056)
Orange is the New Black is the one show that doesn't fit in with the rest for me. Consensus wise, it isn't any better than the other shows mentioned for Netflix. Again, consensus wise Sopranos and Mad Men are considered better but that they are rare shows.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by jorvi on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:25AM (#13967946)
Uhm, actually, you are the minority here. OTNB is the 'worst' of all of those Netflix offerings, and House of Cards eclipses both Mad Men and The Sopranos easily, although I'll cede that the later seasons are not as strong.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by yeukhon on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:53AM (#13967702)
> However lately Netflix' content simply seems to lack substance to me.

I want to echo this as well. One thing about American TV content is that the story plot is very repetitive in nature. Netflix and other similar providers' original contents are very much either a superhero or a crime chaser plot. Furthermore I also dislike breaking content into seasons. It keeps audience around so more money but I am just very inpatient when it comes to TV content. In China / Hong Kong, most drama do not release in parts. So say there are 40 episodes it will have 40 episodes completed when the drama is aired. When you drag your drama plot beyond season 3 the story gets boring. Walking Dead, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, Blacklist, dragging on.

I want some more refreshing content. This is why I love cartoon contents like Bob's Burger or watching documentary. I get some breathing room.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by geodel on Monday March 27, 2017 @01:17PM (#13969664)
Also I find as much the complex plot in different shows, the politics or beliefs of protagonists remain incredibly uniform and simplistic to the cartoonish level.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by iamatworknow on Monday March 27, 2017 @04:16PM (#13971315)
I'm at the point where I feel like I can't start watching any new show because I will be able to predict everything that happens before it happens, making the whole thing feel like a waste of time. The storytelling is boring and the foreshadowing is more like foreshouting due to how obvious they make it.

Case in point, I never read the books and I put off watching Game of Thrones for a very long time until my brother finally convinced me to give it a shot a few months ago. When he came to me asking about how shocked I was about what happened at the end of the first season I literally laughed in his face because it was telegraphed from episode 1.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by yeukhon on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @12:26AM (#13974072)
Yeah, I hate the foreshadowing. Sure thing super hero cartoon we know the bad guys will lose at the end, but cartoon makes things more interesting.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by crispyambulance on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:42AM (#13967609)
> It feels as if it's just the superficial result of throwing a promising combination of those very specific tags/categories the services is famous for onto the assembly line and ending up with a show or film that, while ticking all the boxes and not being bad at all, is still pretty far off the masterpieces of the medium

By definition "masterpieces" are very rare things. They're decidedly not assembly line material. I think Netflix and Amazon have done well against far more established media outlets.

That said, if you really want "wall-to-wall" masterpieces, there's a streaming service for that: filmstruck (https://www.filmstruck.com/). It has the entire magnificent criterion collection. The thing is, however, you have to think of it more as a library rather than an outlet for the newest stuff.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by dagw on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:11AM (#13967809)
I'm missing shows of that caliber on Netflix.

I quite like that Netflix isn't focusing on mega hit prestige shows like those you mention, but rather seem to focus quirky niche shows like Dirk Gently, A Very Secret Service and The Expanse that aren't to most peoples taste.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by jessaustin on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:40AM (#13968605)
The Expanse is great but it's made by [EDIT, thanks 'winthrowe:] some other studio. Syfy were right to buy it because it is so much better than anything Syfy have ever created... whatever was done right here, they should try to do some of it.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by winthrowe on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:53AM (#13968741)
It's not made by Syfy, the top rights belong to Alcon; Syfy just is the exclusive American distributor.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by DanBC on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:13AM (#13968360)
Who makes A Very Secret Service?
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by dagw on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:26AM (#13968483)
Don't know, but it's presented as a Netflix branded "Netflix Original Series".
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by DanBC on Monday March 27, 2017 @03:11PM (#13970738)
But they do that with a bunch of stuff that they haven't made. They do it with the BBC shows that they carry.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by dagw on Monday March 27, 2017 @05:07PM (#13971777)
True, but their willingness to seek out and plaster their names all over these shows (and no doubt pay for the privilege) is a good indication that it is the sort of thing they seem to be into.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by twoodfin on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:07PM (#13973474)
There's a Dirk Gently show??
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by sandworm101 on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:05AM (#13967777)
Part of the problem is that they are combining US and British (bbc) tv production schemes. The US focuses on market data, the box ticking. But this requires ongoing feedback during production. That's why US pilots are so different than the eventual series. The bbc selects a show for production run without data or pilots. They rely on expert opinion to greenlight a far shorter initial run. If a show is a miss it disappears after six episodes. Netflix is doing both, resulting in shows that lack market feedback during a long season (iron fist) yet also seem to be boxticking (stranger things). This is a tricky path and while sometimes it works (stranger things) often it doesnt (ASOUE).
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by night815 on Monday March 27, 2017 @08:46AM (#13967208)
What are some shows you like and don't like that Netflix made?
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by thirdsun on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:39AM (#13967585)
House Of Cards was very, very promising in its early seasons. It almost felt like a future alltime favorite, but declined after Season 1. Better Call Saul is shaping up very nicely and Fargo turned out to be better than I expected. Other than that there are many solid shows, and even more mediocre and lackluster ones I don't enjoy. However, that's not exactly my concern - I understand that only a subset of the content might appeal to me. The problem is that the part that does isn't on par with the very best the medium has to offer and I'm not sure if Netflix' current approach to content creation is a good approach to raise the quality.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by ssully on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:42AM (#13967616)
Neither Better Call Saul or Fargo are made by Netflix. BCS is an AMC show and Fargo I believe is FX.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by mercer on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:18AM (#13967871)
I find FX to be the best of the bunch for a while now, and I think it's precisely because they're like the non-ticking-boxes, less-formulaic weird little brother to the others: Atlanta, Fargo, Louie, Always Sunny, Better Things, and Legion.

And that's not even mentioning the 'classics': Justified, Terriers (underrated, must-watch!), The Shield, as well as the earlier season(s) of Sons of Anarchy and The Americans.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by iamatworknow on Monday March 27, 2017 @04:31PM (#13971485)
Not sure about the others, but Louis CK took a substantially smaller offer financially from FX as opposed to other networks because they were the only one that allowed him to do what he wanted with little interference, which certainly sounds like a positive thing for making original content.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by thirdsun on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:49AM (#13967664)
Of course, you're right - in my country they are both Netflix-exclusives and it's easy to forget that it doesn't necessarily mean original content. Still, it emphasizes my point.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by zerocrates on Monday March 27, 2017 @02:38PM (#13970443)
Do they brand them as "Netflix Originals" there? Netflix has an annoying tendency to do that in the US when they're merely the first or exclusive local distributor.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by autarch on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:46AM (#13967641)
Fargo is made by FX and Better Call Saul is AMC.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by sametmax on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:42AM (#13968630)
Daredevil and Jessica Jones were a pleasure to watch. Not cult TV shows, but how many of those appear in a lifetime ?
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by clubm8 on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:33PM (#13969156)
That's the thing... Netflix is skilled at producing "good" shows but not necessarily "great" shows.

The third season of Black Mirror is pretty much the only content that I'll rewatch over and and over like I would, say, The Wire.

But if I want to veg out and watch something "pretty good" stuff like Master of None and Love are decent.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by sametmax on Monday March 27, 2017 @01:15PM (#13969640)
I hear you. How ever how long netflix have been producing content ? Which content producer can be said to regularly produce exceptional content ? I would say none. It's usually a blip on a consistent and durable production of good content on the long run.

And a matter of taste too. I consider SG1 and Buffy my top 10 while a lot of people would just find them "meh".

We need also to consider that netflix content has one quality: it's refreshing. The OA, Luke Cage, 3% all had personal taste.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by jon-wood on Monday March 27, 2017 @03:14PM (#13970765)
I've never seen an HBO show I didn't think was excellent. The Pacific wasn't as good as Band of Brothers, but that's not exactly a damning statement.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by Shivetya on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:12AM (#13968340)
my concern is letting the normally diverse catalog dwindle in favor of more original content. They did seem to go a bit overboard for me in the superhero stuff but I can live with it and some was interesting.

I just don't want keep not finding shows I expect or have seen before. I like older TV series and cannot see the costs in getting even stuff from further back. Is there no market or is there a service I need to look at?

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by tptacek on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:31PM (#13969130)
What makes you think "the classics" weren't produced in the same way? The Sopranos was originally pitched as a network TV show.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by gdilla on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:38AM (#13968593)
Sure, but these shows are still produced and written by the same industry insiders that made the Wire and the sopranos. The ideas may be more data informed, but good art is still good art because it's produced by great artists. Counterpoint is there's plenty of episodic crap on broadcast TV with lots of cancellations. Netflix seems to have a much better track record.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by kochthesecond on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:25AM (#13967944)
Narcos could be up there for me. But it is also tailored to my love of Goodfellas.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by Retric on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:21AM (#13967460)
TV and cable puts out a lot of shows, so their top 5% is going to be better than netflixes average. But, IMO Netflix's average is fairly decent. It can also take a while for a show to hit it's groove. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GrowingTheBeard
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by olavk on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:36AM (#13968580)
How about Making a Murderer? That one had plenty of substance.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by thirdsun on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:35PM (#13969193)
Yes, fair point. That's the kind of content I actually did enjoy a lot.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by jacquesm on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:01AM (#13967307)
Netflix is where great stuff goes to die. Compare the Netflix versions of Black Mirror and Sherlock Holmes with the ones put out by the BBC. The Netflix stuff just drags on-and-on to fit their format.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by chrisseaton on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:17AM (#13967430)
> Compare the Netflix versions of Black Mirror and Sherlock Holmes with the ones put out by the BBC

Black Mirror was never made by the BBC, and all episodes of Sherlock were made by the BBC not by Netflix, so neither of your examples make any sense and don't allow you to compare what you are saying they would.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by endorphone on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:22AM (#13967471)
I can't speak to Sherlock Holmes, but Season 3 of Black Mirror is extraordinary. Nosedive could have been edited down substantially, but so could White Christmas or Fifteen Million Merits from the seasons before. I don't agree at all that there was any Netflix degradation.

Abstract is triple-A. A Chef's Table is triple-A. Stranger Things is triple-A.

We all have a sort of cynical habit of presuming that things once were good, and now they aren't. But Netflix has always been a mix of good and bad original content, especially when viewed from the subjective eye that what some of us think is great others think is terrible. They're trying to serve all markets.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by fapjacks on Monday March 27, 2017 @02:39PM (#13970453)
San Junipero is my favorite episode of any television series I've ever seen in my life, including In The Pale Moonlight from DS9.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by noir_lord on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:04AM (#13967332)
The Netflix version of Dirk Gently was substantially better than the BBC UK version even controlling for the difference in budget (however BBC America was involved).
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by noja on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:17AM (#13967432)
If the Netflix version is better, how good was the BBC version? :/
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by jacquesm on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:06AM (#13967345)
Haven't seen that, thank for the tip.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by noir_lord on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:47AM (#13968137)
It doesn't follow the books all that closely but does a delightful job of capturing the absurdity of Douglas Adams world in a way that translates well to the screen.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by criddell on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:45AM (#13967637)
What do you mean by to fit their format?

I've started watching The OA and it's the first series that I've noticed each episode is a different length. Some episodes are around 30 minutes, others are more than 60.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by signal11 on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:52AM (#13967686)
The OA did the whole "TV series as novel" thing very well. It was very disorienting for me (but in a good way) when the opening credits played almost 60 minutes into the first episode, with about 10 minutes to go.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by JoeAltmaier on Monday March 27, 2017 @10:52AM (#13968180)
Wait - what format? Netflix has no commercial-break rule or 3-act rule or pretty much any of the rigid broadcast TV rules. Individual episodes of some series may vary by half an hour in length.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by chrisseaton on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:41AM (#13968615)
Why do they have episodes at all?
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by elsonrodriguez on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:46AM (#13968667)
Why do books have chapters?
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by chrisseaton on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:12PM (#13968925)
But actual multiple episodes is a technical artefact of broadcast TV. If they wanted 'chapters' for Netflix productions they could do that without actually breaking them up into separate files on Netflix.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by eric_the_read on Monday March 27, 2017 @02:06PM (#13970168)
What's the difference between episodes and chapters? I mean to say, I think they're already what you want, just with different names. The seasons are the books, and the episodes are the chapters.

The only thing I can think of that's really different is opening/closing credits, but given that I pretty much never binge-watch anything (and apparently most of my friends on Facebook don't either), those serve a useful purpose for me, in that they help set the mood and make it so I don't have to wait a few weeks to figure out who played that street vendor that showed up one time in chapter^Wepisode 3.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by chrisseaton on Monday March 27, 2017 @02:54PM (#13970587)
Yes it was the repeated opening titles and credits I really meant.

That and the gentle recaps they often have built in. In the UK when we air US TV shows they often seem really weird because when there would be an advert break in the US parts of the story and sometimes even lines are repeated by the actors to help you get back into it. Sometimes you get a cliffhanger line, a sort of a second's pause, and then the cliffhanger line repeated in a different tone! Where we don't have advert breaks this comes across as bizarre until you think the US would put an advert there, and you get the same kind of thing but across episodes on Netflix.

Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by eric_the_read on Monday March 27, 2017 @06:25PM (#13972377)
I believe with Netflix (I almost never binge on Netflix, so this is sort of vague, sorry) doesn't it skip the opening credits if you continue on to the next? I know Amazon Prime Video does this, but that's only because I haven't figured out how to turn off autoplay for the next episode on that service.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by chrisseaton on Monday March 27, 2017 @07:13PM (#13972651)
Well that probably just makes the artificial lull in action and reiteration of the plot more obvious.
Re:Netflix expected to spend over $6B on original and acquir... by pjc50 on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:26AM (#13968477)
Sherlock (BBC) series 1 was pretty good. Sherlock series 3 is an unwatchable self-referential mess.

(Mind you I have a low tolerance for TV drama; the last two things I really enjoyed were Foyle's War and Endeavour)