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Re:Bose Hearphones by _fs on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:32PM (#13140135)
I really wish someone was working to solve the problem of tinnitus. Would it be possible to generate anti phase wave out of these things to cancel out tinnitus? I would pay anything and/or wear any goofy device in my ears to live life tinnitus free.
Re:Bose Hearphones by Certified on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:58PM (#13140388)
A project I worked on suggests vibrating the bone just under the earlobe at around 50kHz with a piezoelectric stack might help. 8 years or so ago I helped make a pocket sized and rechargeable medical device that operates on this principle. Last I checked it was still in FDA hell but helping the majority of sufferers in the trials. The theory of operation is that is breaks up tiny air bubbles stuck to the hairs in the inner ear.

An interesting side note is that you could 'hear' a very high pitched sound when using the device even though 50kHz is far outside the standard human hearing range. We still are not sure but think we were hearing a lower harmonic of the tone bouncing around the skull.

Re:Bose Hearphones by cellularmitosis on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:34PM (#13141608)
I wonder if you are hearing a "beat" tone (a third tone which is heard when two tones of different frequency are played. Playing tones at 500 and 600 Hz will also cause a tone at 100 Hz to be heard). This is how 3D positional audio systems work -- they beam two ultrasonic tones, and the difference tone appears to emanate from where the ultrasonic beams intersect.

Sending 50kHz vibrations into the earn should interact with a 49kHz tone to cause the listener to hear a 1kHz tone.

(This is all from an acoustics course I took over a decade ago, so take it with a grain of salt!)

Re:Bose Hearphones by JacobJans on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:54PM (#13140867)
I would love to learn more. I know someone who suffers from severe tinnitus. Any improvement could be very life-changing!

edit: is this your project? http://www.tinnitus.vcu.edu/Pages/Tinnitus%20Improvement.pdf

Re:Bose Hearphones by Certified on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:59PM (#13142217)
Our device was very similar to this china manufactured version: https://www.melmedtronics.com/product/the-inhibitor/
Re:Bose Hearphones by peterlk on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:28PM (#13140654)
Any chance you could provide some links? White papers, etc.?
Re:Bose Hearphones by ridgeguy on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:05PM (#13141844)
Joining interested others to ask for any links to your work. Thanks!
Re:Bose Hearphones by ogig on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:45PM (#13140256)
I suddenly lost the hearing on one ear and it got replaced by a strong and permanent tinnitus. I quantify it as strong based on my talks with others with tinnitus.

What worked for me was stop fighting and start loving it. Now it's a perma mantra. Some somatic malfunction that enables me to ear the hum inside of me or whatever poetry works for you. Try it maybe.

Re:Bose Hearphones by losvedir on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:18PM (#13141939)
> What worked for me was stop fighting and start loving it. Now it's a perma mantra. Some somatic malfunction that enables me to ear the hum inside of me or whatever poetry works for you. Try it maybe.

Whoa, what an interesting strategy. Here's a question for you: is your tinnitus a constant predictable pitch? If so, you could probably train a strong relative pitch skill enough to be able to spoof perfect pitch! That's pretty cool.

Re:Bose Hearphones by ogig on Friday December 09, 2016 @06:00PM (#13142635)
Been an amateur musician I did try that, but sadly what I hear has a big range of frequencies and it also changes. Curiously its pitch fluctuates when I move my head or eyeballs.

Thanks for the suggestion tho.

Re:Bose Hearphones by yomly on Saturday December 10, 2016 @01:37AM (#13144404)
Part of tinnitus can be caused by physical issues - neck strain can exascerbate it
Re:Bose Hearphones by dfischer on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:28PM (#13141108)
That is a very interesting approach. Nice idea, thanks.
Re:Bose Hearphones by uf on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:39PM (#13140204)
I think there already is a kind of therapy. I read that they basically determine the exact frequency of your tinnitus. Then you give them music you like and they filter the frequency out. By listening to the altered music, the tinnitus is reduced. It seemed to work quiet well, but I forgot what the procedure is called.

I'm hearing a tinnitus for over 10 years now, so I know what it's like. :)

Re:Bose Hearphones by joncp on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:43PM (#13140236)
> It seemed to work quiet well

That's the most perfect typo I've seen in a while.

Re:Bose Hearphones by kensuke155 on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:26PM (#13140641)
Whenever I need relief, I use this (or something like it) http://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/

I found the frequency of my tinnitus (67hz) and changed the octave until I found the best result (268hz).

Re:Bose Hearphones by cbr on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:52PM (#13140325)
That seems straightforward enough that you could try it on your own?
Re:Bose Hearphones by auxym on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:25PM (#13140624)
I'm curious how you would go about determining the frequency of your tinnitus.
Re:Bose Hearphones by lukeschlather on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:10PM (#13140991)
As long as you have decent pitch, it shouldn't be too hard. Just listen to square waves at various frequencies until you narrow in on the frequency of your tinnitus.

When you play two square waves that are slightly off, you also hear a really obvious pulse that corresponds to how off they are (1 pulse per second means they're off by exactly 1 hz, and so on.) I don't know what the experience of tinnitus would be, but assuming you can hear the tinnitus and a square wave at a close pitch, it should be fairly easy to isolate the exact frequency with a binary search.

Re:Bose Hearphones by steve-howard on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:53PM (#13143927)
I tried with the tone generator linked elsewhere in the thread. One, there's no pulse, which isn't surprising because tinnitus is all in my head. Two, at least for me, tinnitus is not a single well-defined pitch. It fluctuates. Sometimes just by concentrating on it I can move the frequency up and down.

I found a frequency that was pretty close to what I hear (it's convenient that my left ear is mostly normal), and cranked it in my right ear. I now hear something like a distant swarm of bees, or a server room full of very loud fans.

Re:Bose Hearphones by uf on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:17PM (#13140557)
Yes, it does. But I had completely forgotten about it until now.
Re:Bose Hearphones by wyager on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:17PM (#13140556)
> Would it be possible to generate anti phase wave out of these things to cancel out tinnitus?

No. Tinnitus is not caused by a real sound. It occurs somewhere after the phase-erasing Fourier transform performed by the physical structure of the ear. If it were caused by a real sound, or the brain added sounds in the time space (rather than the frequency space), it would work. But neurons are not fast enough to handle time-domain sound processing, so they offload Fourier transformation to the ear and then work with the (presumably phaseless) frequency-domain representation.

Re:Bose Hearphones by stcredzero on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:54PM (#13140865)
But neurons are not fast enough to handle time-domain sound processing, so they offload Fourier transformation to the ear and then work with the (presumably phaseless) frequency-domain representation.

Then how is it that you can play one frequency into one ear and a slightly different frequency in the other ear, and the brain will register the beat frequency?

Re:Bose Hearphones by KingMob on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:55PM (#13141321)
Keep in mind that the binaural beats community spouts a lot of BS.

Only for the lowest frequencies (say, under 100 Hz) are there reliable traveling waves to even measure in the brain. Due to the firing refactory period where a neuron resets its membrane potential, most neurons have a max firing rate in the range of 250-300 Hz, so it's not possible for difference tones to explain any binaural beats above those frequencies.

Even for lower frequencies in the range of delta-gamma waves, it seems deeply unlikely that difference tones are the explanation, because the neurons encoding for frequency are separated spatially, so it's not as if two traveling waves reach the same neuron, subtract out, and result in the difference frequency.

However the brain produces the beat frequency, it's nothing like the way signals subtract in other media.

Re:Bose Hearphones by stcredzero on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:33PM (#13142035)
Keep in mind that the binaural beats community spouts a lot of BS.

That's not where this is coming from. If, as you say, the brain is processing information in the frequency domain, then how would beat frequencies arise? I'm not debunking what you are claiming. That fits what I know about hearing. I'm genuinely curious as to how!

Re:Bose Hearphones by KingMob on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:59AM (#13155932)
Ah, my apologies. We used to have an RA in my old lab who was a little too obsessed with binaural beats. He claimed he could use mp3's like drugs...

My primary area of study was perceptual consciousness in the visual domain, so I had to look a little more in-depth into binaural beats to answer your question. So, it appears that frequency coding is the norm for higher frequencies, but not for lower frequencies, which are the only ones we can hear binaural beats from. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find much relevant neuroimaging literature, so I don't really know.

Binaural beats are an auditory illusion, but I'm not sure of what process. The lower frequencies do record phase information, and use that for localization information (comparing phase differences at each ear for a frequency tell you the angle it came in from), so It could be related. Sorry again!

Re:Bose Hearphones by wyager on Friday December 09, 2016 @06:35PM (#13142850)
Any nonlinearities in the Fourier transform process (of which there are presumably many) will manifest as harmonics of the beat frequency. I'm on my phone right now, but if you take two simple-ratio tones, add them, apply a nonlinearity (like exponentiation to a non-1 power), and then Fourier transform, you will see the beat frequency and its effects. I imagine (but do not know) that this is the physiological mechanism for high-frequency beat frequencies.

For binaural beats with low-frequency tones, I can only guess, but you can actually reconstruct phase information from the frequency domain signal depending on your sampling period. As a trivial example, imagine f << 1/T; now you can treat the DC component of the Fourier transform as a time-domain signal that contains f. I imagine that's how binaural beats work, as they occur at sufficiently low frequencies for this to happen. It could also be that the ear transmits low-frequency time domain information as well as frequency-domain information.

Re:Bose Hearphones by virgil_disgr4ce on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:26PM (#13140645)
> neurons are not fast enough to handle time-domain sound processing, so they offload Fourier transformation to the ear

This is my new favorite way to describe the process. Gonna use this with my students :)

Re:Bose Hearphones by suby on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:45PM (#13140252)
There's a technique that has the potential to temporarily (around 1 minute) clear tinnitus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yDCox-qKbk

It's not much and doesn't seem to work for everyone, but if you've been suffering from tinnitus for years, one minute is better than nothing.

Re:Bose Hearphones by _fs on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:13PM (#13140518)
I've tried this in the past. It gives me about 5 seconds of quiet time. Just enough to realize how loud my tinnitus really is :(
Re:Bose Hearphones by cgag on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:19PM (#13141032)
It worked for me but I'd forgotten what not having it was like, and I'm not sure I actually enjoyed the reminder. It was fascinating though.
Re:Bose Hearphones by logicallee on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:33PM (#13140150)
see my other comment. I wish they didn't start by forcing you to have tinnitus to begin with. I'd use foam inserts if they were given out at concerts and clubs etc - but not if I'm the only one bringing them with me, that's ridiculous.

tinnitus is caused by people listening to music that is too loud. Music is too loud at most venues, if you are standing where you are meant to.

EDIT:

people don't like this comment, and point out that in many places inserts are available. All the same, the general clubs that I go to where I live, don't have them, and, more to the point, nobody else wears them. it's a social problem and perhaps a marketing problem. many bars / clubs are too loud and I as a consumer haven't been solicited to pay for a solution on-site. (even if this exists.) others I'm with don't wear anything either.

The responses here have convinced me that I likely should invest in some and bring them with me - but I don't like that I'm the only one doing so, and it seems kind of anal. i'm just being honest about how I feel. it would be easier if they were more readily available / being sold, and if everyone were using them.

I like to be cool and do the same thing everyone else does. just being honest.

Re:Bose Hearphones by abakker on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:36PM (#13140183)
I've learned that it is just necessary to bring foam earplugs to a lot of events. (even movie theaters now).

In general, if the performers are wearing them, you probably should be, too. Your health is not a good place to think about being worried about what other people aren't doing to protect theirs.

Re:Bose Hearphones by dawnerd on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:45PM (#13140265)
You should look into something like these instead of regular foam. http://www.etymotic.com/consumer/hearing-protection.html

I got a pair for EDC after realizing the foam earplugs were ruining the music. These reduce the volume with minimal muffling. Also pretty cheap considering they'll last a long time.

I picked them up at guitar center - they can help you get the right ones.

Re:Bose Hearphones by mi100hael on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:24PM (#13140612)
For those that use earphones a lot at work or on public transit or whatever, I also highly recommend Etymotic's in-ear isolating earphones. They are basically those musician's earplugs with a small driver in the tip. They reduce external noise on-par with foam plugs, so I can listen to my music at much lower volumes rather than cranking the volume of the music to drown out my surroundings. The sound quality is quite good as well. I have the hf3 model and they are by far better than any other earphones I've used that are sub $200.
Re:Bose Hearphones by iamatworknow on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:28PM (#13140652)
Their headphones are great in terms of the quality of sound they produce, but their durability leaves a lot to be desired. I've used both the MC5's and HF5's and both ended up with shorting out on one side (HF5) or falling apart (MC5) on me within just a few months.
Re:Bose Hearphones by mi100hael on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:36PM (#13140719)
Interesting, mine have held up pretty well. My hf3s are going on four years old. I've used them on a near daily basis at work and fairly frequently under a motorcycle helmet. The exterior sleeve of the cords is starting to fray at the attachment points to the actual earphones, but they still work just fine. I expect I'll have to finally replace them within the next year or so, but I'll do it happily because they've outlived everything else I can remember in my daily rotation including two phones, a laptop, a wallet, and a backpack.
Re:Bose Hearphones by iamatworknow on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:55PM (#13140877)
>The exterior sleeve of the cords is starting to fray at the attachment points to the actual earphones, but they still work just fine.

That's how it started with my MC5's. I put a piece of heat shrink tubing over the fray in order to postpone their demise but ultimately the plastic housing of the driver itself broke. The HF5's one day just stopped working out of one ear. I was never particularly rough with them or anything and only really used them at the office, but that was it for me.

I since moved on to a pair of Sennheiser MM 550-Xs but stopped using them because there was Bluetooth interference in my office (every one of about 70 desks in an open plan has a Bluetooth phone headset). Plus, the band messed with my hair and scalp.

Now I'm on a pair of Sennheiser CX 686G SPORTS that I originally bought for running but now use at the office. Sound's good enough and the build quality is superb since it was designed to be tossed about while doing active stuff.

I would gladly go back to Etymotic if they came out with something new in the $100ish price range, but for now I'll stick with Sennheiser. I've bought probably 6 different pairs of headphones from Sennheiser of varying styles in the past decade or so, and they all still work (with varying degrees of wear and tear). The only time a pair has broken on me was because I stupidly tried putting them on after they spent a night in a below-freezing car and didn't give them time to warm up, snapping the plastic headband, and their warranty service still replaced them with no questions asked.

Re:Bose Hearphones by darrylb42 on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:45PM (#13140792)
Shure SE series are good for this as well. Sometimes I just have the earphones in with no music to cut background noise.
Re:Bose Hearphones by stcredzero on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:57PM (#13140892)
I'll corroborate. I'm a musician, and I can play music wearing Ety-Plugs! (I used to buy the ER-20 "baby blues" but the same object is now called "Ety-Plug.") They are far from perfect, but for the money, they're pretty darn good. (Freq response is not flat. However, it's way flatter than the foam plugs.)
Re:Bose Hearphones by iamatworknow on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:24PM (#13140616)
Another vote for Eytmotic's earplugs from me. I like going to metal concerts but hate how loud they crank the volume since it muddles the sound. With these earplugs you can actual pick out individual instruments during the performance, plus the added benefit of not destroying your hearing.
Re:Bose Hearphones by greglindahl on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:54PM (#13140343)
I second this. I've mostly used datacenter earplugs over the years, which really mangle music. These earplugs are sold to musicians and are really great for music.
Re:Bose Hearphones by ericabiz on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:04PM (#13140428)
Absolutely. I have a pair of these and they go everywhere with me. Movies, concerts, sports events--anything with loud sound--these are perfect. They're small enough to tuck away in my purse so I never forget them.
Re:Bose Hearphones by dEnigma on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:48PM (#13140291)
It's insane how loud some movie theaters are nowadays. My first experience with this was three years ago in Hong Kong, watching "Pacific Rim". At first I thought it was a technical problem and looked around me to see how other guests react, but nobody seemed to mind, apart from our small group of Europeans. I seriously contemplated leaving because it was almost unbearably loud and I was worried about my hearing. Lately I've had similar experiences here in Austria, so it seems the trend is moving towards louder movies in cinemas, though I really hope they at least make an exception for children's movies, since it would be a shame to submit them to such a loud environment for hours at a time. (not that it isn't bad for grown-ups too, it's just especially worrying with children)
Re:Bose Hearphones by pbhjpbhj on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:36PM (#13142470)
What gets me is how arbitrary sound levels seem. I'd expect sampling in the theatre to set the volume level to avoid hearing damage and make the levels comfortable but what appears, to me, to happen is the projectionist sets the sound level - so if you get a projectionist that is [seemingly] practically deaf then the volume level is far too high.

Went to a kids show, some disney tripe or other, volume was painful for me and made my youngest at the time cry ... movie theatres clearly have a thing about being loud but surely that doesn't help to make them a place anyone wants to be. Yes, I went out and spoke to someone and had the sound level lowered, it was still loud; I'm sure it was beyond the safe working volume set by Health & Safety Executive [UK] though. Amazed that it's not monitored and set automatically.

Re:Bose Hearphones by samstave on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:45PM (#13140261)
I always have these available around my house... I used to carry them with me everywhere.

I started using them in the 90s rave scene in SF. I would go to a party and would always bring earplugs with me, extra ones and hand them out. Especially to people who appeared to have had... a little too much. Sometimes handing a plastic bag of earplugs to someone who has had too much is a great thing from them as it helps them center a bit more.

I personally think that all concert ticket windows should hand these out with each ticket purchase/pickup.

Re:Bose Hearphones by abakker on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:54PM (#13140348)
I used to do this at Ska concerts in NY. I am a woodworker and always have a gigantic box of them at home, so it was easy to fill a ziplock.

One time I got grabbed by a bunch of bouncers and forcibly expelled from the venue - they thought the purple earplugs were drugs. Once they realized they were super apologetic and we had a good laugh about it.

Re:Bose Hearphones by wildmusings on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:40PM (#13140208)
>I wish they didn't start by forcing you to have tinnitus to begin with. I'd use foam inserts if they were given out at concerts and clubs etc - but not if I'm the only one bringing them with me, that's ridiculous.

No one is "forcing you" to have tinnitus. And what's so "ridiculous" about protecting your own hearing?

We are responsible for our own self-destructive behavior, like going to concerts without ear protection. Almost everyone's done it, but let's not blame other people for our own recklessness.

Re:Bose Hearphones by wrigby on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:42PM (#13140231)
Just bring them with you. Better yet, invest in a pair of better earplugs[1] - they have a flatter frequency response, so the music sounds way better than it does with the foamies.

Most venues will also either give you or sell you (for $1) a pair of foam earplugs at the bar. Do it.

1: http://www.etymotic.com/consumer/hearing-protection.html

Re:Bose Hearphones by grhino on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:40PM (#13140210)
tinnitus can be caused for other reasons than loud music, some that are not that well understood. Any sensorineural hearing loss can be accompanied by tinnitus. Autoimmune inner disease (AIED) and meniere's disease can bring about tinnitus. Tinnitus sucks. I think the best guess is nerve cells in the inner ear firing improperly and generating a random noisy signal that gets interpreted wrong by the brain.
Re:Bose Hearphones by randlet on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:33PM (#13140695)
I've got otosclerosis which causes tinnitus too. It sucks, but thankfully you get used to it somewhat and listening to background music brings me a lot of relief.
Re:Bose Hearphones by logicallee on Friday December 09, 2016 @07:08PM (#13143027)
all right - sounds like you know a lot about it. Is it fair to say most tinnitus in the world is preventable, and most (as a percentage of people suffering from tinnitus) have had as a direct cause loud noise? (So that if they had had earing protection, they would not have tinnitus.)

open-ended question.

Re:Bose Hearphones by grhino on Friday December 16, 2016 @08:55AM (#13193211)
Hearing protection is worthwhile. I don't know if we understand tinnitus well enough to say whether most of it is preventable.
Re:Bose Hearphones by Symbiote on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:58PM (#13140385)
At the concerts I go to, at least 1/4 of people standing near the front will be wearing earplugs. Sometimes it's the majority.

Perhaps that's the scene (metal, northern Europe). Most venues will sell for 1EUR, or give away, free foam plugs, but most people have better ones.

Re:Bose Hearphones by telekid on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:45PM (#13140255)
I keep a pair of high-quality earplugs[0] on my keychain. They're completely invisible and always there when I need them. I find myself using them about once a week.

Nobody is going to protect your ears for you.

[0] http://www.earasers.net/

Re:Bose Hearphones by overcast on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:44PM (#13141680)
I love earasers. Best I've used so far. Super comfortable, tiny, and discreet. No one even knows you're wearing them, and they work so well for concerts, without making everything muffled. I use them for everything with noise at this point,mowing the lawn, snowblowing, etc.
Re:Bose Hearphones by mikegerwitz on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:46PM (#13140271)
My tinnitus is hereditary, from my father's side. I have a constant ringing that my mind usually filters out unless I think about it, but some nights it can be pretty "loud".

I quote the word because I can hear even the slightest sounds like the ticking of a watch in another room in complete silence, while at the same time being overwhelmed by the ringing. I had a hearing test done a couple years ago at a neurological institute to try to diagnose other issues (migraine-related), and my hearing was higher than they could measure. So it's not damage. It's quite fascinating.

I've gone to only one concert in my lifetime, and I don't listen to loud music. I haven't been around loud equipment for any length of time.

Re:Bose Hearphones by corysama on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:57PM (#13140375)
Does it get louder when you clench your jaw? Sometimes tinnitus is due to teeth/jaw issues. Sometimes people report tinnitus getting worse or better after getting teeth removed or jaw work done. For a variety of reasons, I'm starting to think my ringing is at least partially due to pressure on my teeth and jaw. Now I need to find a TMJ specialist who will be willing to try to figure out what might help.
Re:Bose Hearphones by mikegerwitz on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:31PM (#13140678)
That's an interesting observation! Yes, it does, and it's a higher pitch.

That might be something to explore; thank you for that. I also grind my teeth aggressively at night (which I wasn't aware of until ~1y ago when my wife told me).

Re:Bose Hearphones by compiler-guy on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:38PM (#13140750)
tinnitus is a symptom with many causes.

Loud noise being just the most common--and least treatable--cause.

Another cause is otosclerosis, which is preeminently treatable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otosclerosis

If you have tinnitus, don't assume that nothing can be done. See an audiologist.

Re:Bose Hearphones by CalChris on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:00PM (#13140402)
I've stuffed paper towels in my ears in spinning or zumba classes. The loudspeakers are in front of the students blasting right at us. The teachers are behind them and generally younger.
Re:Bose Hearphones by stcredzero on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:47PM (#13140282)
The foam earplugs are pretty cheap in bulk. I've brought bags with me to concerts and given them out. (I want to help make the world safe for acoustic music.)
Re:Bose Hearphones by sixothree on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:50PM (#13140303)
My tinnitus was caused by a movie theater. It was the first showing in an imax theater and I was seated in the top row (probably directly under a kicker).
Re:Bose Hearphones by aaronblohowiak on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:37PM (#13140188)
Most venues and festivals I have been to have free ear plugs
Re:Bose Hearphones by logicallee on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:41PM (#13140768)
that's cool - maybe I go to different places. I'm in Europe and go to just general concert venues or clubs etc.
Re:Bose Hearphones by tonfa on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:15PM (#13142323)
Don't know if it's mandatory, but I think every concert I've been to in Switzerland has had free earplugs (foam and sometimes better ones). They also often have tinnitus prevention posters shown. In practice many people use them (and a bunch of people bring their own better earplugs).

I find that really nice (and wish more countries would do the same).

Re:Bose Hearphones by colorcoded on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:26PM (#13140639)
I'm afraid that's not possible. There are, however solutions that help making it easier to endure. Here is one: http://www.oticon.global/solutions/accessories/tinnitus-soun...
Re:Bose Hearphones by web007 on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:48PM (#13140288)
I believe tinnitus is neurologic, in that there is no noise to cancel out.
Re:Bose Hearphones by Lich on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:17PM (#13140555)
Longtime sufferer of tinnitus. This has been my understanding as well. From what I understand, once the hair dies, the brain seems to compensate by filling it with eternal noise. If there is a cure (my hopes are low), my guess is that we need to have a better understanding of the brain.
Re:Bose Hearphones by abecedarius on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:58PM (#13141793)
A random idea: that mechanism reminds me of phantom limb pain. I wonder if there could be a treatment analogous to mirror therapy, at least for monaural tinnitus.

Searching just now turns up http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2010/01/11/tinnitus_the_ea/ and http://www.therasmusforum.com/tinnitus-type-is-similar-to-ph...

Re:Bose Hearphones by wnasich on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:22PM (#13143832)
I've tinnitus, and hearing lost since 20 years old, I was musicians, playing keyboards. Now I am 42 y old. I hope, maybe soon we could have a solution, take a look this article -> https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229662-400-deaf-peo...
Re:Bose Hearphones by boobsbr on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:21PM (#13140585)
Can be from physical damage to the stereocilia in the inner ear.
Re:Bose Hearphones by benarent on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:42PM (#13140227)
An ex-coworker founded http://www.neuromoddevices.com/technology. It's still in the clinical research stage, but it's a cool device that utilise bi-modal neuromodulation and aim to promote positive therapeutic change within the human nervous system.
Re:Bose Hearphones by stephendicato on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:35PM (#13140171)
I can't personally endorse their services, but there are companies working on treating tinnitus. Check out http://www.ttsrelief.com/
Re:Bose Hearphones by newman314 on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:25PM (#13141535)
There was some discussion (on HN I think) a while ago where basically you flick/drum fingers at the base of your skull about 10 times.

I've tried it and it seems to work at least for a while for me. YMMV.

Re:Bose Hearphones by ajryan on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:06PM (#13140950)
I have read that NMDA agonists (DXM, Ketamine, PCP, other arylcyclohexamines) work pretty well for this. Anecdotally, their withdrawal symptoms include tinnitus so I'm not surprised the inverse could be true.

It also looks like more specific NMDA agonists are being developed as a treatment? http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....

Re:Bose Hearphones by tim333 on Saturday December 10, 2016 @08:37AM (#13145583)
I found blocking loud noise with earplugs allowed my ears to recover naturally over time to a fair extent. It may not work for everyone but it's easy and cheap to try.