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Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by knowaveragejoe on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:56PM (#12913392)
Hopefully we see similar efforts from others. The incoming president has stated he plans to gut the EPA and potentially even divvy up some state/national parks for development. Private donors will have to win out over commercial interests, as far as conservation is concerned.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by mikeyouse on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:30PM (#12913745)
You're not joking..

The guy who's in charge of Trump's EPA transition thinks that climate change is a hoax, that the Clean Power Plan is illegal, that the Endangered Species Act should be repealed, that the Paris Climate Agreement is unconstitutional.

The likely pick to head the DOE is a lobbyist for the oil industry who wants to open up Federal lands for energy exploration.

Good lord this election is going to have far-reaching consequences.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by dv_dt on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:16PM (#12916330)
Not that Trump's gov't doesn't need watching, but I'd note that Clinton's pick for her transition team was a lobbyist for the oil industry. The root failure wasn't in the general election it was during the primaries.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by scottmmjackson on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:50PM (#12916592)
"One algorithm crashes on load but the other is a little slow. They're exactly the same, right?"
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by dv_dt on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:54PM (#12916628)
One crashes on load and the other slowly corrupts data...
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by sanjeetsuhag on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:49PM (#12917827)
As far as this metaphor goes, the data is already corrupting. Climate change needs to be acknowledged, and the President shoving his head up his ass about this issue isn't going to help.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by dv_dt on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:07PM (#12922126)
One candidate was telling you that they were going to do nothing, the other was telling you they were going to do something, but planning to do little to nothing.

I guess my point is that if you want significant action on climate change (I do too!), you were always going to have to fight for it with your representatives (R or D) vs the industry donors.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by reitanqild on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:32AM (#12917993)
At least he hasn't started a war yet and it doesn't seems like he is planning to either.

Between

* extra energy consumption based on war efforts on both sides and rebuilding countries afterwards,

* as well as oil fields being literally set on fire,

that is a few tons of CO2 as well.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by jamespo on Thursday November 10, 2016 @04:58AM (#12919093)
"hasn't started a war yet" - he was elected yesterday!
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by reitanqild on Thursday November 10, 2016 @06:18AM (#12919468)
Yep. That is the "funny" part about it.

I don't like him but unless certain folks I respect that Americans disliked him less than the alternative.

This is known as "respect for the Democracy".

That said it seems he is less likely to start a war than the other candidate.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by trdrake on Thursday November 10, 2016 @10:16AM (#12921016)
People say that, but Trump also promised to "end ISIS very, very quickly", and, during security briefings, was questioning why he couldn't use nukes
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by losteric on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:32PM (#12914330)
It's not just Trump, the entire government is seeing red. The Republicans have control of the House, Senate, Presidency, and they will take control of the Judicial branch as well. It's a conservative wet dream.

In four years, we'll either have a 1-party system or an N-party system.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by s4vi0r on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:57PM (#12914569)
>It's a conservative wet dream.

Man, c'mon - why you gotta lump all conservatives in with these people? You can be a conservative without being an absolute anti-science/anti-intellectual/anti-environment/etc lunatic.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by oxide on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:38PM (#12914922)
you can be a liberal without being a bleeding-heart.

but you can't vote liberal without voting in bleeding-hearts. it's the same for conservatives. sooner or later you're going to have to vote for an absolute anti-science/anti-intellectual/anti-environment/etc lunatic.

when partisanship trumps all, almost none of it is so black and white. it becomes shades of grey.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by Taek on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:53PM (#12915639)
That I think is a huge problem in our government. Why can't I vote for both smaller military and bigger NASA at the same time?

Why when I decide climate change is super important do I also have to align with 15 other unrelated policies as well?

Parties are all-or-nothing and that's painful. Because I find that no party represents me in more than like 20% of my political positions.

I should be able to delegate better.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by laksjd on Thursday November 10, 2016 @04:02AM (#12918830)
I'm sorry to say this but your country uses an outdated, deprecated implementation of Democracy. While we respect it greatly for its historical value as one of the first stable implementations, it is no longer recommended for production environments due to its many known critical bugs, most famously the first-past-the-post issue in its election algorithm.

Instead we'd recommend one of the European-republic forks (E.g. Germany's federalism 2.0) or, if you're feeling adventurous, one of the smaller forks like 'Direct Democracy' or the nordic-style forks.

Please note that those newer implementations have significantly higher system requirements, usually calling for a well educated population that is willing to debate and compromise rationally.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by lentil_soup on Thursday November 10, 2016 @05:38AM (#12919272)
how is Germany's system better in that regard? I still can't cherry pick policies, it is still all or nothing as far as I am aware, no?
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by LeanderK on Thursday November 10, 2016 @07:19AM (#12919769)
there are more realistic choices (left, left/green, far left, conservative (but very centrist, even sometimes a bit left-leaning), liberal (unfortunately economic-liberal) and idiots), also if you don't vote for a mainstream party there is a real chance that they might make it (threshold is 5%). In the last years we saw more political experiments in the form of new parties. On local elections there is even more choice, depending on the state. It's still not electing policies, but there is one party proposing such a plan (pirates).
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by losteric on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:45PM (#12916949)
I don't know your specific situation, but HN folks tend towards "Money-rich time-poor"... so, donate to 3rd party candidates. 3rd party candidates have enough grass roots support to get started but many struggle with getting funding to get visibility.

Not just $5 here or $20 there. Donate to match your desire for a better future.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by jlarocco on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:35PM (#12916011)
That's a self-imposed problem. There were 22 choices for president on my ballot. Until people wake up and start looking at the other 20 parties the current system is what we get.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by ethbro on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:55PM (#12916196)
It's an electoral system problem. From a game theory standpoint there is no reason to ever vote third party.

If we'd had a more nuanced system that allowed voting negative in addition to positive... pretty sure Johnson would have won.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by BrandonM on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:20AM (#12918156)
I'm hoping that Maine's Ranked Choice Voting[0] (instant runoff) is an answer to some of the problems inherent in our current winner-take-all system. It passed in Maine; hopefully it achieves its aims and spreads.

[0] http://www.rcvmaine.com/

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by ComputerGuru on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:14PM (#12916749)
..and there were only four on mine. I wrote in pretty much the only write-in candidate (write-ins must still be approved with the state or else they're tossed away) - and I was one of only a handful to do so.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by spynxic on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:23PM (#12916397)
"If we'd had a more nuanced system that allowed voting negative in addition to positive..."

We must prove that something which may be more complex than our current system is still just as fair (or more fair).

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by Taek on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:53PM (#12916991)
There are some simple changes which make pretty well understood improvements.

For example rank voting. You rank the candidates when you vote. When counting, you count all the votes for each candidate. You eliminate the candidate with the fewest votes. Everyone who had that candidate as a first choice reallocates their votes to their second choice. Repeat until there's a winner.

Suddenly it's okay to vote for that third party, because through rank voting you can ensure that your third party vote does not end up propping up the candidate you like the least.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by spynxic on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:39AM (#12918033)
That's genius! As it stands, if I were to vote for a 3rd party candidate then I'm essentially throwing away my vote. However, if what you suggest were in place then the risk of a meaningless vote is vastly decreased, essentially eliminated.

Why isn't it used today?

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday November 10, 2016 @05:30AM (#12919238)
Can't tell if you're being facetious or not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting_system

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by 75j on Thursday November 10, 2016 @05:33AM (#12919256)
Because the people with the power to change it aren't so keen on doing so, I'd guess.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by spynxic on Saturday November 12, 2016 @01:40AM (#12936920)
That inevitably supposes that there are a group of individuals with the power to change the voting system.

Does such a group exist?

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by adinobro on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:33AM (#12918196)
That is almost exactly how it works in Australia.

You can either rank the vote manually or vote for a party and they get to pick how the vote is ranked between all the candidates.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by 2muchcoffeeman on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:52PM (#12916607)
Running simulations on voting systems is easy.

Also lots of countries have preferential voting systems. Lots of people in AU don't vote for the major parties.

The US system is just crazy.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by losteric on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:41PM (#12914949)
Oh I totally get that conservative voters have a wide range of opinions... but they're still in control of the government.

Socially liberal fiscal conservatives might not like this administration's social changes, but conservative fiscal legislation will get much less scrutiny since the Democrats have almost no power. Vice versa for the rare fiscally liberal social conservatives.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by coldpie on Thursday November 10, 2016 @10:30AM (#12921170)
Being anti-science, anti-intellectual, and anti-environment are core planks in the Republican platform. You have to decide if your conservative values, whatever they are, are worth voting in favor of politicians who are anti-science, anti-intellectual, and anti-environment. This isn't something new we've discovered this election, either. Every vote for a Republican for the past 40 years has been a vote in this direction. If you voted Republican in the past 40 years, you are to blame for the current government. Nice work!
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by M_Grey on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:51PM (#12914505)
Given the republican track record, in 4 years we'll be in a serious economic crisis, at least one war, and they'll be incredibly unpopular. Fortunately for them, they're well funded and well gerrymandered.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by germinalphrase on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:04PM (#12915738)
There will be redistricting in 2020.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by daveguy on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:01PM (#12916674)
That will only make a difference if people are voting for Democrats for their state legislators and governors. The gerrymandering feeds itself. Also the wide land mass vs population centers split between Republican and Democratic bases doesn't help either.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by micaksica on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @10:28PM (#12917472)
> In four years, we'll either have a 1-party system or an N-party system.

This is the same thing I heard from Democrats in 2000 and 2004, and the same thing I heard from Republicans in 2008. It is unlikely to actually happen. People are too complacent, and a good chunk of America will be perfectly satiated by cheap prices at the pump.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by odbol_ on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:20PM (#12916363)
Also, no forests or animals.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by knowaveragejoe on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:15PM (#12914202)
My understanding is that there are other options he could go with, but it is indeed alarming that the seeming "top pick" would be this guy of all people. It's a shame.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by mikeyouse on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:59PM (#12914587)
Yeah, Myron Ebell is the person I'm referring to for the EPA. He's the odds on favorite to get the job in the end, but today he's leading the team to transition the department to a Trump White House. Even if he doesn't end up with the job, he's the person picking the eventual department head.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by NumberCruncher on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:31PM (#12916864)
I am sorry for you guys and girls from the US of A. You seem to be really traumatized by the result of the election. But keep calm: the fact that the majority (OK, a small minority) of the land of the free voted on the wrong/right mascot won't change the outcome of the game. Or do you really think that the people sitting on billions of dollars would risk loosing their power because of your vote? They didn't get there where they are because of paying attention to your opinion but because of ignoringt it. So relax, everything will be OK. Or not. But not because of Trump.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by scrollaway on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @10:43PM (#12917541)
Disregarding the rules of the game because "the elite cheats anyway" is a terrible idea. There's a reason those rules still exist and politicians pay their lives and livelihoods to get to and stay in power.

There are cheaters and people making.. "clever use of game mechanics", let's say. But the vote does matter.

In fact, one of the main reasons the system is so broken today is because there isn't enough vote. Trump, like Obama, was able to get to power by inspiring people to vote.

> They didn't get there where they are because of paying attention to your opinion but because of ignoringt it.

You know, if it was that easy, I'd be the one sitting on billions of dollars right now.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by NumberCruncher on Thursday November 10, 2016 @03:46AM (#12918755)
>> Disregarding the rules of the game because "the elite cheats anyway" is a terrible idea.

We have to play games all the day where "the other party cheats anyway". But there are only two games where your efforts to make things work out are divided by 140.000.000. Election and lottery.

>> There are cheaters and people making.. "clever use of game mechanics", let's say. But the vote does matter.

Yes, votes does matter. And your vote matters as well. But its relevance is divided by 140.000.000. Good luck, man!

>> In fact, one of the main reasons the system is so broken today is because there isn't enough vote.

And this is because the non-voters have better things to do with their lives than playing the sucker's game.

>> You know, if it was that easy, I'd be the one sitting on billions of dollars right now.

Only because we could not cheat our way to the top does not mean that the people at the top are saints. Maybe they are just better cheaters than you and me.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by scrollaway on Thursday November 10, 2016 @03:59AM (#12918812)
Where are you pulling that 140.000.000 from? You're so focused on it.

Once you remove the percentage of people who don't vote and take the electoral college into account, that number is way lower and we haven't even begun to touch how one person can mass influence votes.

Just because you yourself have one single vote doesn't mean your voice is one in a sea of hundreds of millions. Far from it.

> And this is because the non-voters have better things to do with their lives than playing the sucker's game.

Why do you think so much effort is spent on preventing various inconvenient groups of people to vote?

It's funny how a lot of people downplay their own voice in a democracy. You have far more influence than you can imagine.

You strike me as quite terribly close minded though, and I don't really feel like convincing people when they adopt such a cynical attitude, so if you're actually interested you can read the excellent Dictator's Handbook by Bruce Bueno de Mesquita.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by NumberCruncher on Thursday November 10, 2016 @07:00AM (#12919678)
>> Where are you pulling that 140.000.000 from?

From google.

>> You're so focused on it.

I know. It is kind of "occupational disease". I do statistics.

>> Once you remove the percentage of people who don't vote

Not voting is also a voting. In fact it is voting against all of the candidates and / or against the voting system.

>> Just because you yourself have one single vote doesn't mean your voice is one in a sea of hundreds of millions.

Actually it does. Having one single vote among hundreds of millions means having only one single vote among hundreds of millions.

>> It's funny how a lot of people downplay their own voice in a democracy.

You mean the people who can divide 1 by hundreds of millions? It's funny how not all of the people can do the math.

>> You strike me as quite terribly close minded

You are right. Just because I have a different opinion than you I am terribly [put some negative attribute here].

My take on democracy: you have the right to build your own opinion and talk about it and you have to accept the opinion of others as well as the fact that they talk about it, even if you do not agree with them. Not agreeing with you does not mean being [put some negative attribute here] and you do not have to convince others of your being right.

You are wellcome.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by scrollaway on Thursday November 10, 2016 @04:37PM (#12924647)
You're close minded because you refuse to hear arguments out, not because you disagree with me. I don't think you even realize where you actually agree with me, since you're reading hostility in my replies.

What a waste of words.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by NumberCruncher on Thursday November 10, 2016 @05:13PM (#12924981)
If I would refuse to hear your arguments would I take time to write an answer? Definitly not.

I do not agree with you but I think there is enough place on earth for more than one opinion.

It is somehow ironic that you, son of the land of the free, have to learn this from someone born behind the iron curtain.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by _delirium on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:04PM (#12913462)
One option for people with some money to spare, but not enough to personally buy thousands of acres, is to donate to a conservation land trust, which pools money to buy up land and preserve it. These are usually local or state/regional organizations, such as the Texas Land Conservancy [1] or the John Muir Land Trust [2]. There's a directory of them here: http://findalandtrust.org/

[1] http://www.texaslandconservancy.org/

[2] http://www.jmlt.org/

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by jrobn on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:38PM (#12916502)
Maybe also think about donating to http://earthjustice.org. They are a non profit that fights cases in court to protect wild spaces, destructive legislation, and corporate rape of public lands.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by jyriand on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:33PM (#12914886)
There's a great documentary "You've been trumped" about Trump's great ambition to build a golf course to Scotland. This is a nice example what the future president thinks about nature and wilderness. Full doc seems to be available in youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCfaYlRyTGA
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by justin66 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:18PM (#12913604)
There's a lot of this going on in some places. It's useful for people who already own a lot of land but don't want to pay property taxes on it. Agree not to drill for oil or cut down timber in your enormous back yard and get a huge tax discount...
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by ethbro on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:59PM (#12916218)
Isn't the purpose of a land tax to encourage the most productive use of land? So if we value wilderness, then a tax break seems like the correct way to facilitate that.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by AnOscelot on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:17PM (#12914762)
One organization I support is the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance[1]. For those of you that care about the redrock desert, please look into them. They were very effective in the Bush years and I'm hoping they will be again.

[1] suwa.org

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by Shivetya on Thursday November 10, 2016 @08:28AM (#12920134)
Well if they do sell some of it then its an idea time for those who can and want to protect the environment long term step forward.

People need to see it as an opportunity and then take it.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by hkmurakami on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:57PM (#12914574)
I've always wondered when development pressures will reclaim the open space and nature preserves we have in the Bay Area.

Perhaps this is it.

Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by hx87 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:42PM (#12914962)
Depends on how strong vertical NIMBY is compared to horizontal NIMBY. I hope the latter is stronger.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by odbol_ on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:19PM (#12916357)
Be prepared for Trump Towers in every National Forest. It's going to be YUUUUGE.
Re:Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of Nort... by wnevets on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:07PM (#12914657)
hillary had those emails tho, so its ok.