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Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @04:47PM (#11575480)
I run a repair shop. We've repaired over 3,000 Apple devices for customers. We are always chatting with our customers, so we get a ton of feedback from them about what they're doing with their phones.

We hear a few things consistently:

1) Providers have switched from "free upgrades every 2 years" to a plan cost and a monthly phone cost, so people now really know how much their phone costs--and many would rather save the $30 a month than upgrade their phone. This started with T-Mobile a few years ago and now is how most phone plans work. This is having a huge impact on people's desire to buy new phones.

2) iPhone 5/5C/5S users have no desire to upgrade to a larger phone. The SE is going to solve some of this, but it'll more likely be a scenario of "I dropped my 5S in the toilet and it's completely dead, so I'll upgrade to a SE instead of dealing with the hassle of finding a legit used 5S." I don't expect to see a huge push toward the SE from current iPhone 5 users.

3) Repairs are so cheap, so easy and so effective. It's $79 for us to fix an iPhone 5/5C/5S screen right now, and we can fix it in less than 30 minutes typically. No reason to upgrade when your old one works just fine and you can get it fixed cheaply.

Interestingly, the SE screen is 1:1 compatible with the 5S screen, so the SE is coming out of the gate being cheap and easy to repair as well. I'm typically recommending the SE if people really want a new phone.

We also ask customers about 3D Touch (the new feature on the 6S/6S+) and if they're using it if they have a 6S. 99% of people have no idea what it is or how to use it. They bought a 6S/6S+ because it was pink. Yep, most of the 6S phones we see are rose gold, and that seems to be the #1 factor driving sales of that line. If they don't care about the pink and ask me what phone I recommend, I recommend buying a refurbished 6 over any of the 6S line. (We don't sell phones, so I have no horse in that race at all.)

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by overcast on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:00PM (#11575580)
3D Force Touch was one of those features I feel would have only caught on, if it was one of the original iPhone features. Tacking it on later, with little to no support in apps, makes it forgetware. I actually really like the functionality, and I completely forget it exists. There needs to be some type of small indicator reminder that a button HAS 3D touch.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by rqebmm on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:12PM (#11575667)
To me its real problem is that it's almost indistinct from long-press. Combine that with Apple's poor UX discoverability (I'm looking at you, swipe-from-the-side-to-see-iMessage-timestamps!) and 3D Touch is basically useless.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by dandelany on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:19PM (#11575740)
Yeah, Force Touch has really compounded their problems of overloaded and undiscoverable UX. I realized this recently when trying to tell a family member how to rearrange their home screen icons. It used to be "hold down an icon until it wiggles, then drag it". Now it's "hold down an icon, but not too hard, until it starts wiggling. What do you mean there's a popup?! Oh you pressed too hard. Tap somewhere else to close the popup and try holding down an icon again."
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by orbitur on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:04PM (#11576486)
3D Touch should've replaced long press. I hate that I have to wait, I don't care that it's 0.4 of a second. A long press is a concession to the fact that there's no physical button, and 3D Touch should've solved this problem.

But instead I end up triggering a 3D Touch when I want to delete an app.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by digi_owl on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:49PM (#11577030)
What surprises me is that they didn't try to use it to make the keyboard more "physical".

If the OSK can distinguish a finger resting from a finger pressing, then you get closer to that of a physical keyboard.

Especially if the resting part can be tied in with the vibration engine to give a slight nudge to indicate edges of keys, or some such.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by galistoca on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:32PM (#11577222)
That sounds like emulating for the sake of emulating. I'm sure even you would hate it if you actually saw it in production. Typing on keyboard is shitty as it is. By making it force touch, it will be much slower to finish a sentence. When people use physical keyboards their fingers are by default resting on the keys. When most users type on mobile, they're not. It's easier to NOT rest fingers on the keys than resting for so many reasons, such as you not being able to see the keys if your finger is covering them.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by digi_owl on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:41PM (#11577502)
And that is where the vibrate comes in.

the keyboard is of a known layout, and by marking by feel when you move from one key to the next you know where you are.

This allows the keyboard to be operated without looking, much like how most people use a ordinary keyboard today once they are past the hunt-and-peck stage.

A big reason for touch screens being a problem in many situations is that you have to actually look at it to operate it. Physical buttons, switches and knobs can be operated by touch alone.

Frankly way too much of modern computing relies on sight and sight alone.

Also, allowing someone to rest on the keyboard is why long typing sessions are not such a strain on the hands. Without it, the writs has to carry the weight of the fingers continually.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by galistoca on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @02:43AM (#11578294)
I'm guessing you downvoted me because you disagree with my point of view. I'll just tell you this: I have been thinking a lot about the stuff you talk about here and even prototyped a hardware device to try out the idea. I had the same point of view (It would be nice to have an input device I can use without even looking) but after experimenting I realized this isn't the case.

Also this "vibration" thing you're talking about--it's obvious you haven't thought deeply about this because if you took at least a couple of hours thinking more about how this would work you would realize vibration itself has nothing to do with this". I have had a phone that gave you nice tactile feedback using vibration (Prada phone), and while it does feel nice, it doesn't do anything in terms of letting me know my input was correct.

Anyway this all doesn't mean anything if you don't really believe me. So let me ask you a rhetorical question: Do you think you will be able to type into a blackberry absolutely without looking at the keyboard? Also, when exactly would you be typing while NOT looking at a mobile screen? Even on a blackberry people have to look at the screen to make sure they didn't mistype something (Even with all that tactile feedback). On a desktop computer typing without looking makes sense because that's the mode in which people use the device (whereas on a mobile phone the screen and the keyboard are attached so looking at the screen means also looking at the keyboard)

Anyway if you really believe in these ideas, you should at least try an MVP or any simple experiment (or maybe even some thought experiment) before being so sure about it.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Natanael_L on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:22AM (#11579709)
The Steam gamepad and the Macbook's new touchpads can simulate tactile borders and shapes on the surface with controlled vibration.

Combine with pressure detection and you can make Swype / SwiftKey provide a sense of where you're dragging your finger when swipe typing, plus that you can put emphasis on the right letters easily when swiping across groups of letters that would make for different words, making for better precision in the word suggestions.

It would also be much easier to implement gesture support by having areas much easier to target that you start gestures from or end them in. You'd also instantly get tactile feedback telling you if you made the gesture right or not, like for switching character sets or for moving the cursor.

Lots of gestures could be supported, where you'd essentially be "asked" with tactile feedback to push harder after making the gesture to activate the particular action. Suddenly you solved both accessibility, discoverability and precision, while reducing the error rate.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by galistoca on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:27AM (#11581235)
What you say doesn't change anything significantly, which means it doesn't change the way we type on mobile phones--you still need to look at the screen. Also it's a bit of a stretch thinking because it works on a game controller with limited number of inputs, it will work on a keyboard with way more keys, isn't it?

As I mentioned above, I explored into building a mobile device that you can type into without looking, and my first hypothesis was "tactile feedback is key". And turns out there are many many other factors at play. Even if Apple built something like you say, that won't make more people buy iPhones, it's just an incremental innovation that doesn't significantly change any user behavior for the better.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by galistoca on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:48AM (#11581497)
Like you said, you still need look at the screen to see if you're typing in correctly. I am not sure if you read my original comment, but this is one thing I learned while experimenting that's obvious in hindsight. On your computer, you can type completely without looking at your keyboard because you are looking at the monitor/screen which is a separate device from the keyboard. On a mobile device, they are a single screen. Which means you still have to look at the screen portion of the "screen" even when you don't need to look at the "keyboard" portion. Which is why it doesn't make any groundbreaking improvements even if implemented. At best it's just some minor add-on convenience. Your steam controllers example is exactly the same as computer keyboards because you're looking at a large screen (which is again a separate device from your gamepad) when you're playing games.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Natanael_L on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:33PM (#11581977)
Your assumption is that they only help accuracy. Instead they can allow you to visually hide important UX elements and yet keep them discoverable.

I'll have to think a bit longer to come up with good examples.

Edit: non-scrolling swipe gestures are where this is the most valuable.

Improved Google Photos app image selection: a hard press would start selection, and as you continously to drag to select it would provide tactile feedback for where the image borders are, making accidental selection less likely and quicker to detect. Selection would stop on release (to make scrolling easy). Hard press and swipe again to continue the selection.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by galistoca on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @03:22PM (#11583677)
If you trace this thread all the way back to its root, the guy said having tactile feedback will solve the problem of not being able to type without looking, and I said I have tried and it doesn't. Of course there are many ways tactile feedback can improve experience. But in any case, I don't think it's a significant change. Even if you could do all you mentioned it's just an incremental innovation. When iPhone first came out it changed everything by getting rid of physical keyboards because a "soft" keyboard that adapts to its container app is much more flexible than a physical keyboard. That started this entire app ecosystem. But I don't think these nifty little touch UI innovations will change anything further as far as iPhone is concerned. As an example 3d touch is an interesting and sometimes even magical technology but it hardly makes any difference in purchase decisions.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Natanael_L on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:40AM (#11581382)
When you type in hardware keyboards, do you need to look at them? I hardly look at the SwiftKey keyboard except occasionally to confirm what keys I'm hitting.

A surface that can "project" arbitary tactile shapes with different strengths of feedback can let you orientate without looking. In fact it can even do Braille for the blind if the resolution was high enough!

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by esun on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:58PM (#11586115)
Back when I used blackberry phones I absolutely could use the keyboard without looking. They used slightly different shapes/intersections for each key and it was all muscle memory and little looking.

The touch screen keyboards are more practical in many ways but they can never truly replicate a physical keyboard.

(I long ago traded the fidelity of the actual keyboard for the convenience of a touch keyboard.)

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by galistoca on Thursday April 28, 2016 @12:04PM (#11589846)
"little looking". Yeah you looked. There's a huge difference between 0% and 1%. I'm saying it's a nice to have feature but that doesn't make you ditch one for another--it's just an incremental innovation. Just like you moved away from it.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by digi_owl on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @03:28PM (#11583729)
This is not Reddit. I can't downvote you because you are directly responding to me.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by oarsinsync on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:44AM (#11580341)
> This allows the keyboard to be operated without looking, much like how most people use a ordinary keyboard today once they are past the hunt-and-peck stage.

'Most people'? I must have had really bad luck in a number of financial/tech companies, as a disturbing majority don't touch type.

Note, my experience is with people aged 30-50. It's possible that this doesn't apply to millennials, but they certainly aren't the majority still.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by klagermkii on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @03:13AM (#11578409)
I wonder if the pressure detection is localised enough to allow that to work without being annoying? If I'm resting my right thumb on a letter, but pressing with my left thumb on another letter, I don't think the tech is necessarily there to accurately detect which letter got pressed. And I think that's needed to make typing feel good, since in using my regular keyboard while one finger is pressing a key the next finger is on or hovering over the next key.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jonathankoren on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @05:48AM (#11578958)
The problem with converting the keyboard to 3d presses, is that goes against almost 10 years of user expectations. If I had to press harder to type a letter, I'd think something was wrong.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Camillo on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:42PM (#11577506)
But you still have to wait with 3D touch. If I press hard on an icon on my home screen, it still takes 0.4s or so before the popup appears.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by overcast on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:40AM (#11579828)
Agreed 100% on the replacement of long press. I know what I'm doing and I'm still popping up menus I don't want.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Teckla on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:30PM (#11576622)
(I'm looking at you, swipe-from-the-side-to-see-iMessage-timestamps!)

Wow, that is poor discoverability. Also, thanks so much -- I've been wanting that for ages. I never knew about it.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by techdragon on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:17PM (#11576917)
Your not kidding, I've had iPhones since they came to Australia (Gen 2, Gen 1 iPhones were imported but not properly available via local channels) and I heavily use the iMessage app since my plan has had "unlimited" SMS pretty much the whole time I've had an iPhone... And I NEVER saw this until I tried it 60 seconds ago.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by bluesix on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:36AM (#11579441)
Only available since iOS7 or 8
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by overcast on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:43AM (#11579841)
I've got one that might blow your mind. You can SEARCH pages in Safari, by typing in the top url/search bar, then scrolling all the way to the bottom. It will show you how many instances it's found, and you can touch to go to them!
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by vadym909 on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:28PM (#11582508)
You mean like a CTRL F? It just did a Google Search for me
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by overcast on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:47PM (#11582705)
Don't hit enter, just type out what you want, then scroll down to the very bottom. The top results will be google search, then bookmarks and history, THEN "On this Page". It's totally not intuitive.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by titanix2 on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:07PM (#11585670)
Thank you. I searched for this feature yesterday but couldn't find it by myself.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by k-mcgrady on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:18PM (#11575729)
>> "To me its real problem is that it's almost indistinct from long-press."

Are you saying this as someone who actually uses the feature? Because in my experience a long press and 3D are very distinct. In fact 3D touch makes it quite difficult to long press on home screen icons to delete them.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by rqebmm on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:20PM (#11575746)
I meant as a UX design pattern.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by k-mcgrady on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:25PM (#11575785)
Ah ok I understand. That's true.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jbigelow76 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @11:29PM (#11577658)
3D Touch is Apple's gimmicky answer to Microsoft's gimmicky Windows 8 Live Tiles. It's the feature you never knew you never needed :)

BTW, thanks for the tip on the iMessage timestamps, their "seeming" absence was an obnoxious nitpick when I switched to an iPhone.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by lagadu on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:21AM (#11579379)
As a Windows phone refugee living in Androidland (seriously MS, was it so hard to make a worthy successor for the 930 along with not completely abandoning the rest of the range?) live tiles is the feature I miss the most :(
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Natanael_L on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:25AM (#11579732)
What about widgets isn't enough for you?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by lagadu on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:44AM (#11580828)
Only a minority of the apps have them (and even fewer of those are remotely good/configurable), absolutely no consistency in the design between widgets and how they're a mix of background and icon. WP just had fantastic design patterns all around.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by freehunter on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:01PM (#11581633)
That's my problem with widgets too, coming from someone who loved his Lumia 920. Widgets are ugly. Like seriously ugly. And why do some of them take up 4x4 and others only let me pick 1x4 or 2x4, and some are other stupid sizes... all I want is 2x2 tiles that match the theme of my phone.

What's the point in getting a really nice theme and then ruining it with AccuWeather's horrible widget and a calendar that looks like an HTML iframe?

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by taigeair on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @06:38AM (#11579224)
Anyone know if it's possible with FB Messenger?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by mcintyre1994 on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:51AM (#11580885)
You can tap a message and a timestamp appears above it.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by bobwaycott on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:45PM (#11577019)
Weird. I kind of always expected it to be there and found it forever ago. Maybe because I was developing on iOS and knew it was a table/list view, and expected it to have a left-swipe something?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Daneel_ on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:22AM (#11577991)
I'm in this camp too, but not a developer. It just seems like a lot of list views have the slide-left functionality.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by gandalfu on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:07PM (#11577105)
Dang! I just learned a new trick!! Being using an iPhone for four years. Thanks?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by chris_wot on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:31PM (#11576626)
Oh boy, the amount of times I've tried to copy a URL or open a link in a new window... Now I know what's causing this annoyance!

Now how to turn it off...

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by abalone on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:52PM (#11576422)
The best 3D touch feature is the trackpad keyboard. It's also very not discoverable (who thinks to force touch the keyboard?)

Having said that, 3D touch is far from the only improvement on the 6S. If it didn't have 3D touch I'd still recommend the extra $100 to get MUCH better internals (processor, cameras, touch ID sensor) and a stronger body too.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by TheEzEzz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @11:58PM (#11577749)
The trackpad keyboard is huge. It greatly ameliorates how horrible touch keyboards are, and makes editing text not too much of a chore. I'm afraid no one will use it and the feature will get axed.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by acqq on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:33AM (#11578028)
"In the early betas of iOS 9, Apple had activated this feature for older iPhones. Users would just place both their thumbs on the keyboard and it will act as a trackpad. However, Apple removed this feature for unknown reasons. Right now, no other iPhone other than the 6s and 6s Plus can perform this feature which is really annoying."

http://wccftech.com/turn-keyboard-trackpad-3d-touch-iphone-6...

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by TorKlingberg on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @04:08AM (#11578591)
I git exited about the trackpad keyboard when I heard about it, but the cursor always jumps a character or two when the lift my finger.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by drewolbrich on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:46AM (#11579858)
After force touching to enable trackpad mode, ease back and press only lightly as you move around. Then the cursor won't jump when you release.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Natanael_L on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:26AM (#11579740)
They have the perfect solution available already, they could make it stop on a hard press.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by oarsinsync on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:47AM (#11580367)
> Having said that, 3D touch is far from the only improvement on the 6S.

However the internals are largely the same as the iPhone SE

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by the_mitsuhiko on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:59AM (#11579572)
I like the two finger version of the ipad much more. Wish they would do the same on the iphone.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by twblalock on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:15PM (#11576907)
I forget that 3D Touch exists because I own an iPad, which does not have it. After using the iPad for a while, I stopped trying to use 3D Touch on my phone, because I got conditioned to the idea that it isn't there.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Stanleyc23 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:56PM (#11577055)
That's funny because i got used to the force touch application switching gesture of swiping from the left side. When I got handed an ipad, I found myself making the gesture and then remembering that I need the double press on the home button.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by rblatz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:14PM (#11577378)
If you didn't know a four finger swipe will switch apps on the iPad.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by olifante on Thursday April 28, 2016 @06:42AM (#11587756)
But it's a somewhat unnatural gesture to make. I often find I have to repeat it a couple of times until it works. Ditto for the five-finger pinch.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by pinaceae on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:23PM (#11576241)
I use it all the time for Live Preview in Photos. The Harry Potter effect in photos is awesome.

The only consistent use case though, completely useless beyond.

Photos shows a little icon to indicate that a long press will do something. It is discoverable. No other area where this UI element exists.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by signal11 on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @05:00AM (#11578777)
I mainly use press down on the screen's left side to invoke the app switcher, so that I can switch apps without using the home button. It's nicer for one-handed use. Apart from that I haven't seen a compelling reason to use it -- even within first-party apps for example.

EDIT -- I also use the keyboard trackpad thing. Not often though.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Ayaz on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @05:32AM (#11578908)
I wholeheartedly agree. I find 3D touch very helpful. But it really begs the question if you consider that unless I am consciously aware of 3D touch every time I interact with my phone, I am very likely to forget that it exists and go back to performing actions the way I am used to.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by joezydeco on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:09PM (#11575648)
Providers have switched from "free upgrades every 2 years" to a plan cost and a monthly phone cost, so people now really know how much their phone costs--and many would rather save the $30 a month than upgrade their phone.

Wasn't this why Apple was quietly introducting the "iPhone Upgrade Program"?

http://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

Seems like Apple realized the future will be a place where everyone just leases their equipment on a monthly basis and switches stuff in-and-out as they need to...including the carrier (gasp!)

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by taneq on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:09PM (#11577118)
The future won't be a place like that by default. As phones mature and features stabilize, we're seeing the same trend that we saw with desktop PCs five years ago: Away from "must update every 18 months" and towards "my old one is still good and I like it, so why upgrade?"

This reduction in churn and corresponding reduction in new device sales is great for consumers, which is why all of the large companies (MS, Apple) are trying to push the subscription model, to try and safeguard their revenue streams.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by smackfu on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:32PM (#11576312)
That program is really only appealing to the people who upgrade their phone ever year, which has got to be a small part of the market. Lucrative to Apple, I'm sure.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ben1040 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:04PM (#11577092)
Even if you don't upgrade every year, it's still a 24 month installment loan at 0% interest. Since the phone is unlocked and the financing is not tied to a carrier, you're also free to switch carriers without having to buy the financing out.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by unprepare on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:59AM (#11580463)
Meaning you could actually pay effectively less, if you put 750$ in a savings account you'd earn an interest rate - paying off your 0% loan while earning some small percentage on the money you woudlve otherwise paid up front.

Obviously it would be a very small amount, but still overall superior to paying cash, definitely better than using credit.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jdminhbg on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:39PM (#11582614)
Quietly? They debuted it onstage at an iPhone product announcement.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by 2muchcoffeeman on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:14PM (#11575677)
In Australia you always had to disclose the phone cost in a contract. People still keep upgrading phones.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by tim333 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:59PM (#11576073)
In the UK it's changed and it's not so much that they disclose it as that you can buy them separately. In my case it's like £37/month for iPhone, data and minutes for a 2 year contract or £15 a month if you use your old handset. The latter option wasn't always there.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by robryan on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:01PM (#11576471)
Often it is a bit more complicated. The last one I did it had say a $30 monthly phone charge with a $15 rebate. I guess so they could make the pone look cheaper while just building the rest of the phone cost into the service cost.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by mgbmtl on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:43PM (#11576377)
Does it show as a line item on the monthly invoice, or in the fine print of the contract?

Here in QC/Canada it's basically "90$/month for the 2 year upgrade" or "65$/month for BYOD".

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by 2muchcoffeeman on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @11:28PM (#11577654)
The last time I had a contract, they had 2 line items. One for the service, one for the phone.

But prepaid is pretty good here. I haven't been on a contract for years now. I just buy my phones.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by tjl on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:29PM (#11581921)
I spent a lot of time researching cell phone providers here in Ontario as I was just getting a cell for the first time. All the plans are pretty universally terrible. I ended up with Wind Mobile for $40/month for BYOD. Unfortunately, they're 3G only but it's 5GB data vs. 100MB for similarly priced plans on other carriers.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by madeofpalk on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:52PM (#11576421)
Line item on the invoice, plus a non-fine print part on the contract and any advertising material.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by vacri on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:20PM (#11576567)
It's not exactly front-and-center, though. There's some miniscule print that says how much the phone is, whereas the overall monthly cost is in giant numbers.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by johansch on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @04:54PM (#11575524)
(Lots of interesting data; upvoted.)

> It's $79 for us to fix an iPhone 5/5C/5S screen right now

Interesting, since I have a 5s with a broken screen glass that I haven't bothered getting fixed yet. :)

It used to be quite a bit more, I think? Have you figured out how to separate the glass (etc) from the actual display, or have replacement display+glass packages just gotten cheaper?

(If you are replacing the display - is there any significant performance difference between the stock display and the replacement display?)

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:00PM (#11575577)
All depends on the cost of parts. Part cost is very low right now...I advise people to get it fixed ASAP if they have the money! You never know what it will do--part cost bounces around like the stock market. Last year it bounced really high there for a bit, and now it's come back down.

The backlight, LCD, digitizer (touch "web"), and top glass are all one piece. They come bonded from the factory. I never recommend glass-only repairs, and they're nearly impossible to do yourself. Some shops will do them, but realistically, with the 5 series screen cost so low right now, there's no reason to risk digitizer issues with a glass-only repair. (It's very difficult to replace only the glass without breaking the delicate digitizer "web" right below it.)

From what we can tell, there is very little difference between an OEM display and the ones repair shops sell. The 6 model is slightly thicker. On a 5, you probably won't notice it.

It is all about the warranty if you choose to get it replaced from a shop--some percentage of the screens are just going to have issues, and you want a shop that stands behind their work. (No repair shop warranty will cover if you drop or break the screen, though!)

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by bluesign on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @05:54AM (#11578997)
"there is very little difference between an OEM display and the ones repair shops sell."

I burned by this, all was looking good till I try to used with my polarized sunglasses, it was probably cheap screen, with wrong polarization, which you see nothing with glasses.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by revelation on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:27PM (#11575802)
Where do you source parts from? Does Apple sell these like a car manufacturer would?

The whole electronics repair business seems rather immature and shady compared to something like car repair. For a car make, you can easily get the software manufacturers give to repair shops which has all sorts of exploded assembly views, instructions and part lists.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:06PM (#11576112)
No, Apple doesn't sell parts, though it would be nice if they did.

The main way screens appear in the repair business is from companies in China that buy back screens with broken glass but functional LCD. They then replace the glass with new glass. Most of the screen is OEM, but not the top glass. They then ship these to repair shops and distributors, who use them to replace screens.

That's why I mentioned in a previous comment that it's all about the warranty with a repair shop. No shop will warranty a cracked or broken screen, but most decent shops will warranty digitizer (touch) issues as long as there's no physical damage to the screen. That type of warranty is a must-have--there are only a small percentage of screens that go bad after a few days or weeks of use, but it really sucks if you get one and the shop refuses to replace it.

> The whole electronics repair business seems rather immature and shady compared to something like car repair.

Well, both are shady (plenty of YouTube exposes on oil change places that upsell services, charge for them, and don't perform them.) Honestly, one of the reasons I came into this industry was I was aware of the huge need for a non-shady repair shop in Austin, TX (where I live.) We're the highest-rated independent repair shop in Austin, and we take that pretty seriously, since there are so many horror stories of bad computer/game console/phone repair shops out there. We do our best to do right by our customers.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by dave_sullivan on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:14AM (#11580592)
> The main way screens appear in the repair business is from companies in China that buy back screens with broken glass but functional LCD.

That's really interesting. I had assumed these were being manufactured somewhere to fit into apple devices, but instead there're huge operations that are buying tons of broken screens and essentially refurbishing them? Is that for legal reasons or cost reasons or other?

I'm curious: what does the supply chain look like?

A) Person breaks their screen, how much do they get from one of those shops that buy broken phones? Does that firm then break it down and sell the parts? Like a smart phone chop shop?

B) If so, who are they selling to? Surely not the refurb factories themselves, the factories wouldn't want to deal with that many individual people. So are people aggregating these and then selling in bulk to manufacturers? Any idea on the pricing around that? Does there seem to be a dominant player in the market or are there many people doing this?

C) After refurb, how much does the new screen then go for? You mentioned it's like a market--what's the range been in the last few years vs today?

And what about Android?

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by TorKlingberg on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @04:36AM (#11578684)
Thank you for all the information. This explains the volatile prices: it depends on the supply of broken screens. I assume when you replace a display assembly, you sell the old one?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:02AM (#11580492)
Yes, many places will buy them. They pay more if the LCD is still intact because they're easier to refurbish.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by lttlrck on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:09AM (#11579338)
Do you calibrate the screen because I have seen uncalibrated repairs and the image quality is terrible. Though that could also be caused by bum screens.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:01AM (#11580487)
Heh, whenever I hear "calibrate the screen" I assume you either work at an Apple Store or have been to one recently, as that seems to be their favorite line.

Calibration is only necessary on a glass-only repair; it realigns the digitizer "touch web" with the top glass that you're actually touching. That's why we don't perform nor recommend glass-only repairs.

When we repair a screen, we test every part of the digitizer before giving it back to the customer. We type on the keyboard, open apps, etc. If we find a dead spot, we replace it on-site. If by chance there's something we missed on our test, that's why our warranty exists.

If a customer finds a dead spot or the digitizer starts glitching, that's covered under our warranty. And that's why I recommend you find a shop with a good warranty. Most of them don't test as thoroughly as we do, but even with testing, a small percentage of digitizers will still have issues a few days to a few weeks after the repair. A warranty will get you a no-hassle replacement as long as you haven't cracked the screen.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by lttlrck on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:05PM (#11585331)
I meant color calibration. I don't work for Apple. I had a non-Apple iPhone 4 screen replacement and the colors were washed out, lacking saturation - it's impossible for me to say whether that is due to display quality or lack of calibration. However it makes sense to me that color calibration is required for consistent display performance especially when displays are sourced from different manufacturers.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jv0010 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @11:59PM (#11577751)
Repair shop owner here as well. Couldn't agree more people are just continuing to use their old phones. We have big companies even asking to continue to repair iPhone 4S phones to date.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by usaphp on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:15PM (#11575693)
aren't your customers a pretty small niche compared to the most of the Apple users in the US? Most of the people will go to apple store if they need a fix for their device instead of going to a local repair shop which will void their warranty. So the argument about people wanting/or not to upgrade to a new device a pretty subjective to your specific customer type, no?

> "I recommend buying a refurbished 6 over any of the 6S line"

I would not, upgrading to "S" was the biggest performance boost I've had, compared to regular 6 - it's blazing fast and on top of that I can't imagine myself without 3D touch app switching, live photos and text navigation, those do help a lot at least to me and most of the people I know.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jonknee on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:37PM (#11575895)
> Most of the people will go to apple store if they need a fix for their device instead of going to a local repair shop which will void their warranty.

It really depends on the location of the shop. There are a ton of people who don't live anywhere close to an Apple Store.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by johansch on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:58PM (#11576063)
My bet: http://www.aliexpress.com/ :)

An example:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-Mobile-Phone-LCD-Di...

US $215.00/lot 10 pieces/lot, US $21.50/piece

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by bogomipz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @11:08PM (#11577589)
I would add this to this as well to the new "forever leasing a phone" model, you have to get insurance which makes sense. However the monthly insurance premium can go up at any time. This just just happened to me. I received a letter from the insurance company the carrier uses - not the carrier informing me that the insurance is going up $2.00 more a month(it was $8.00 its now $10.00.) Thats not an insignificant percentage. This is despite never having to have made a claim for any damages or replacement to the phone.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by r00fus on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:01PM (#11575584)
I think the reason most 6S's are rose gold is that it's the new latest color - i.e. you want the latest, and also to message that to everyone else? Get a rose-gold phone.

Also, considering probably the vast majority of servicing of iPhones happens at an Apple genius bar, I'd say your (very informative) views of the population have some selection bias.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by benologist on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:02PM (#11575594)
There are still states in the US that don't have a single Apple store, lots with very few. Then there are ~180 countries with none and a handful of countries with very few. iPhone 6S is officially available in over 130 countries.

http://www.cultofmac.com/278978/apple-stores-usa/

Repairs are probably orders of magnitude more common outside of Apple stores.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by taneq on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:14PM (#11577135)
Exactly. Apple is taking a leaf from the automotive industry's book, and starting to sell new phones explicitly as status symbols rather than based on new features. Expect new generations of iPhone to be much more visually distinct than the relatively subtle changes up til now.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by zippergz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:59PM (#11576463)
I'd also wonder if there's something that skews more people who have rose gold phones to break them? Maybe they're less likely to use a case because they want to show off the color? Or maybe rose gold skews younger (and therefore possibly less responsible with electronics)? Total guesses, but I'm pretty confident that rose gold is not the best selling color of iPhone currently, so it seems like something else must be going on.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Spooky23 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:19PM (#11576211)
Pink (aka "rose gold") appeals to many women. It also differentiates from the sea of space grey devices.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by CamperBob2 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:05PM (#11575622)
Also, considering probably the vast majority of servicing of iPhones happens at an Apple genius bar

That may not be the case for display replacements. From what I've seen, the Geniuses won't attempt to replace a screen if the phone's chassis is even slightly deformed. But the local fixit shops will.

The question then becomes, "How random is the subset of people who get thrown out of the Genius Bar for screwing up their phone really badly?" The wealthiest of those will just buy a new phone, so that's one potential source of bias, I suppose.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by rail2rail on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:54AM (#11579538)
"...the rose gold iPhone 'looks like someone vomited a salmon dinner onto a dirty pair of ballet shoes'" - John Oliver
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by MicroBerto on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @11:29PM (#11577660)
Hey Erica, hope you've been well!!! Do you have any thoughts on the software side of things?

Personally, I think Steve Jobs rolls in his grave every time yet another crappy iOS update gets issued. It's led to a general distrust of anything "forward-moving", and that's led to a distrust in the newer phones too.

Would your customers agree?

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:42AM (#11580814)
From what I can tell, our customers generally fall into 2 camps: 1) Upgrade software whenever it's available and their phone prompts them or 2) Have been burned by an update or don't trust them for some reason, and almost never upgrade. Their computers follow a similar pattern.

I don't have much to say about the software side, though one of the biggest problems we see is that people constantly run out of space on the lower-end 16GB phones, and the way Apple handles that is completely unintuitive.

If Apple is going to continue to sell phones with such limited storage, they really need a better way to manage that storage and allow people to move items to the cloud or delete them more easily than just scrolling through a seemingly-infinite list of photos and videos.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jdhawk on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:07AM (#11580533)
Dont worry, Apple will force the upgrade the same way they always have. Make the next version of iOS so freaking slow on older devices that its unbearable to use. People that stay on iOS[789] will eventually be forced to upgrade in order to get their necessary app updates.

My poor iPad 2 is so slow on iOS9 that its unbearable to use for any length of time. A5's are unbearable, A6's are not far behind.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by chippy on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:14AM (#11581113)
It's not just Apple - it's the developers who release updates to their apps which, because they have the latest gear, are optimised for the latest hardware. I have an iPad2 and only recently upgraded it to iOS9 after 6? (I think, the one where they introduced the wobbly effect) - it got slow before I upgraded it because I updated all the software on it incrementally. It started lagging before I upgraded, indeed it was the reason why I upgraded the operating system. It didn't make any difference.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jdhawk on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:17AM (#11581137)
Interesting, I'd love to have that datapoint, but I was an idiot and pushed to iOS7 on my iPad2
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Nicholas_C on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:04AM (#11581012)
Is it possible to downgrade the OS on an iPhone? Is that a viable option if the newer OS is very slow on an older phone?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jdhawk on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:09AM (#11581055)
No, apple stops signing the iOS images a few weeks after a new release.

There is a method to go back to iOS6 if you have a jailbroken device, but its complex.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericzawo on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:33AM (#11580738)
I hate hate HATE how standard practice this is. My 5C doesn't have night shift, for seemingly NO reason other than being the "value" iphone.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by kenjackson on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:17PM (#11576552)
3D Force Touch has one really useful use, which is to go back to the previous app on the backstack. I use that constantly. But I use almost nothing each with 3D Touch.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by biot on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:03PM (#11577087)
I never knew this existed. Not sure it's much easier than double pressing the home button and choosing the last app though.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Camillo on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:43PM (#11577511)
Where do you press to do that?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by TheCoreh on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @11:05PM (#11577583)
On the left edge of the screen. You can either force press there, or force drag it to the middle of the screen from there.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Camillo on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:20AM (#11577982)
Oh. I can't really press the edge of the screen, because I use a case (the standard Apple silicone case). It's not impossible, but it's inconvenient.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by rpgmaker on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:20PM (#11576568)
I really hope #2 gets traction. It's been disappointing to see the SE not do as well as I wanted it to. I'm not an iPhone owner myself but I'm hoping the SE popularizes the "small" form factor phone again.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by guywithabike on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:24PM (#11576948)
Tim mentioned on the earnings call today that the SE is supply constrained because the SE is selling far better than they projected that it would.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by shrewduser on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:05PM (#11577333)
i'm always dubious whenever a company says that.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by happycube on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @02:17AM (#11578193)
Earnings calls are, in theory at least, bound by SEC laws to be truthful.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by pratyushag2 on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:43AM (#11581423)
It's probably true... I've been wanting to buy an unlocked Sprint version of iPhone SE 64gb and have been monitoring all the stores through their website frequently. It's not been available for the last 2 weeks and they have extra protectional measures to make sure iPhone SEs make it safely to the store.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by rpgmaker on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:33AM (#11577836)
That's good to know. Thanks!
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by koolba on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:44PM (#11576384)
In your experience what's the usual time between battery replacements?

That's been the only "killer" for phones for me. With a decent case I feel like they otherwise last forever.

My personal upgrade cycle usually involves someone else's (ex: spouse or parent) phone breaking, giving them mine, and buying a new one. Otherwise I'd probably still be on an iPhone 4.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:54PM (#11576434)
2-3 years is average, depending on how much you use your phone. Battery replacements are cheap (we charge $49 for the 5 series right now) and quick to do.

Easiest way to know you need a battery replacement: Your phone gets to 40% or 20% and suddenly just dies on you. That means at least one cell in your battery is dead, and it's time to replace the whole battery.

Also, if your screen is edging up on the left side but isn't cracked or broken, that's a sign of an exploded or "puffy" battery. Usually people have the first issue for a while, don't realize what's happening, and then eventually it goes puffy and explodes. It can even break the screen when it does that.

As with other repairs, if you get a battery replacement at a repair shop, ask about the warranty. Replacement batteries can have real issues, and some runs of them have high defect rates. No big deal if the shop you work with has a good warranty and will just swap it out if it stops working.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by paws on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:30PM (#11576973)
This matches my experience on iPhone 5.

Since I was out of warranty anyway I opted to self-replace the battery.

http://www.onpaws.com/2015/10/fresh-iphone/

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by MOARDONGZPLZ on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @11:43PM (#11577703)
Wow thanks! The top left corner of my iPhone 5 is kind of pushed up. I can press it down but it doesn't stay. I thought it was a problem with the glue. Also battery life has been terrible recently.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by beamatronic on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:21PM (#11576937)
I had an iPhone 3GS with the puffy battery issue, I replaced the battery and the replacement did the same thing. It puffs up almost like a bag of microwave popcorn. Very odd.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by sumedh on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:11PM (#11577123)
> don't realize what's happening

Wait, why cant the OS tell the user that something is wrong with the battery.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by marshray on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:36PM (#11577235)
What would the user do about it? The battery is officially non-replaceable.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:38PM (#11577492)
Nah, Apple will replace it for you - $79, last I heard. If you open up the phone, the battery says "Replacement by Authorized Service Provider Only" (or something similar--I'm quoting from memory here.)
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by tjl on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:20PM (#11577164)
My parents only replaced their iPhone 5 when the battery wasn't holding a charge as well as they'd liked. So, they replaced it with a 5S (this was before the SE, but it was free with a contract anyway). They use it for calls and directions, but not much else so the 5S is more than adequate.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:36PM (#11577476)
If they still have that 5, it's pretty cheap and quick to do a battery replacement (we charge $49 -- many shops charge similarly.) Should bring it back to life just like new. if nothing else, I think it would be worth doing just to have it as a backup phone.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by tjl on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:29AM (#11581261)
I have the iPhone 5 now. Until getting this phone, I've never had a cell phone (I don't really get that many phone calls so I haven't bothered). To be honest, the battery life isn't great, but I just bought a small external battery to charge it when necessary. It was cheaper than a replacement and I didn't want to risk making a mistake in the swap. I have more than enough technical skill to do it, but since it's now my only phone I decided not to take the chance. I might do it if the battery life gets too bad.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by saturdaysaint on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:00AM (#11579576)
Yeah, I own a 5S and I have almost no desire to replace it other than to upgrade storage to 128 Gb. Even after 3 major iOS upgrades, all of my most used apps open close enough to instantly. - the time it takes to pull the phone out of my pocket is the biggest bottleneck at this point.

If I'm going to spend > $600, I expect my life to improve a little bit. I'll probably upgrade to the 7, mostly because I've gone without a case and have had some dings that do impact functionality, but I hope to go 4 or even 5 years with my next phone.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by tammer on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:38PM (#11577487)
Apple needs an app revolution that drives people to seek faster CPU's. Seems like the only way to obsolete such effective & robust devices.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jobu on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:56PM (#11577556)
The CPUs are already impressively fast, they just suck tons of power to do it. There are a few games I won't play on my phone anymore because they absolutely kill the battery. (Same with the Facebook app.)

If there was any way to dramatically increase power efficiency or battery capacity it would be a huge draw for consumers.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by _spoonman on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:13PM (#11577368)
You don't by chance do business via mail or have a website do you? :)
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:31PM (#11577457)
Sure :) http://www.1uprepairs.com - we are based out of Austin, TX. Email is in my profile if you need to reach me, or you can call our store during business hours.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by radley on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:41PM (#11575925)
I don't think buyers had much choice in colors. We're a dev shop and we couldn't get basic silver / grey devices with the specs we wanted. All they had was gold or pink.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jonknee on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:47PM (#11575972)
Um, what? You can order whatever color you would like:

http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone6s

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by radley on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:58PM (#11576066)
When we need a device, we just walk into the store. We don't order online and wait around. To be fair, it was ATT & Best Buy where I ran into the limited colors, but that doesn't change the validity of my experience.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by zepto on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:46PM (#11576394)
It doesn't change your experience but it might change the applicability - it could just as easily be an indicator of ATT & Best Buy's inventory policy.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jonknee on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:14PM (#11576902)
OK, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do choose a color they want.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by uptown on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:13PM (#11575673)
What's an iPad Air screen repair cost?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by ericabiz on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:24PM (#11575775)
iPad Air 1 is $120 to fix; newer ones are $260. The reason for the jump is that Apple moved to bonded technology (backlight, LCD, digitizer, glass is all one piece bonded from the factory) in the newer iPad Airs, so the parts are more expensive. The older iPads have separate glass/digitizer and LCD/backlight.

Feel free to email me if you want more info--my contact info is in my profile.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by the_mitsuhiko on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:04PM (#11575618)
Anecdotal evidence also suggests that people like the 6 more than the 6S. It's nicer to hold in hands and it's quite a bit cheaper for basically the same phone.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by duskwuff on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:29PM (#11575824)
Er, really? The 6S is almost identical to the 6; the primary difference is that it's 0.1mm (!) thicker and 14 grams heavier.

Is it possible you mean to compare the iPhones 6S and 6S Plus, which actually differ in size?

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by berberous on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:27PM (#11575804)
Nicer to hold in hands? It's the exact same frame. Are you confusing the 6 and the 6 Plus?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by the_mitsuhiko on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:58AM (#11579565)
No. 6 and 6S. Hold them both in hands and the 6 is noticeable nicer.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by 8draco8 on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:13AM (#11579647)
Unless you are holding heavily used 6s with scratches against brand new 6 but if they are two new units there is no difference between them and your perception of niceness is probably totally subjective without reflection in reality.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by the_mitsuhiko on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:32AM (#11581294)
Are American 6s different? There is definitely a significant difference between a 6 and a 6s here (Europe). It cannot be missed.