Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by frik on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @12:26AM
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Reminds me of Pets.com
"In January 2000, the company aired its first national commercial as a Super Bowl ad which cost the company $1.2 million. [...] That ad was ranked #1 by USA Today's Ad Meter and had the highest recall of any ad that ran during the Super Bowl. [...] Although sales rose dramatically due to the attention, the company was weak on fundamentals and actually lost money on most of its sales. Its high public profile during its brief existence made it one of the more noteworthy failures of the dot-com bubble of the early 2000s."
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by yid on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @11:23PM
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> In the ad, SoFi vows to propel its members to “greatness,” but says not everyone fits the bill. “Find out if you’re great at SoFi.com,” the voiceover reads. “You’re probably not.”
If there's one thing the majority of people watching the superbowl love, it's condescension from a corporation.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by jdietrich on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @05:20AM
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Exclusivity is a common marketing strategy.
The US Marines or the British Parachute Regiment heavily promote their status as an elite corps. Advertising for theme parks and even toys often uses the "Are you tough enough?" trope. The Hermes Birkin bag has become one of the most sought-after items in fashion, precisely because Hermes won't sell them to the 'wrong' sort of people.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by skewart on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @12:36AM
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The only way for this to work for them is if the ad is controversial enough that people talk about it online after the game. Being incredibly condescending might work.
It's definitely an obnoxious strategy, and it's kind of sad to see. Unfortunately that doesn't mean it won't be effective. After all, we're talking about them here.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by dclowd9901 on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @01:59AM
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Eh, If there's one thing I've learned about people, it's that nobody thinks they're not great. The ad is a challenge and it'll be very successful at driving traffic to their site.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by ACow_Adonis on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @03:36AM
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Either I live in a world where a startup is being stupid and flagrantly spending millions on an ad during superbowl, or they'll be a raging success....by spending millions airing ads which appear to insult their potential customers and pandering to base exclusivism...
Its like a social desirability Catch 22...either way, we lose.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by iamchmod on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @01:54AM
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Tim Arnold pointed to one such success: his own advertisement for GoDaddy.com in the 2005 Super Bowl. The ad generated 5 million Web hits in 48 hours and doubled the company’s market share in the months that followed. Writes Arnold, “It was an outrageous spot that arguably stayed on the right side of the line of good taste and political impropriety. Viewers gave it mixed reviews, but GoDaddy’s business went through the roof as a result of it.”
http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/super-bowl-a...
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by dmix on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @11:55PM
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Despite all of the critical comments on here, mass marketing does work for some products. Especially high margin products with a general mixed-income user base... such as a financial loan company.
The company is run by someone experienced in running big corp financial loans:
> SoFi is run by CEO Mike Cagney, a former Wells Fargo executive and specializes in refinancing student loans for qualified millennials as well as personal loans.
So I'm sure he's at least somewhat familiar with the ROI from this type of ad. Although I fear he's playing big corp marketing game with a small-time company. $5m in the right hands could be much better spent elsewhere but some companies lack the creativity/talent to do that effective hit-the-streets type of startup marketing.
So why not write a single big pay cheque to solve a big hard problem?
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by danieltillett on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @01:09AM
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>So why not write a single big pay cheque to solve a big hard problem?
It certainly is lacking in imagination. If this is the best you can come up with to target your niche then this is a bit of a warning sign that not all is right inside the company. But then again what do I know :)
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by colechristensen on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @01:22AM
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Right, it seems like the terms on a series like that for a loan company would have terms much more like buying the debt they're going to issue to their customers than buying stock in the company.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by danieltillett on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @01:05AM
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Your common stockholder (a.k.a employees) certainly have. Series E investors tend to ask be at the front of the pack if/when there is any down valuation.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by kornish on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @12:51AM
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Not necessarily. Funding can be used by profitable companies to speed growth or invest in moonshot experiments as well as make up for lack of revenue. And if you don't need it, the money is cheaper; sometimes, if you're offered good terms, it can be hard to turn down having that much cash on hand.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by petke on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @01:09AM
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There is something a bit distasteful with a lender splashing out so much money on an advertisement. You know in the end its the customers that end up paying for it with interest.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by cylinder on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @12:09AM
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I don't think these ads are as powerful as they used to be. The ads aren't as novel or interesting, and people are generally catching up with their smartphones during commercial breaks rather than focusing on the ads as entertainment.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by skewart on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @12:22AM
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Your parents aren't SoFi's target market. Their target market are the people most likely to be looking at their phones.
I agree that it's probably easy for the HN crowd to think mass TV advertising is over, when it actually isn't. I just think that for certain audiences it makes a whole lot more sense than others. If I were running a startup looking to cash in on the huge numbers of boomers entering their senior years then a Super Bowl ad might make sense. For one targeting not just millennials, but relatively affluent millennials it makes a lot less sense.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by sjg007 on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @11:55PM
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I think the smart college kids that can refi their student loans already know about SoFi. For mortgages I think credit unions are still cheaper for the well qualified.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by rorykoehler on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @11:56PM
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You have data to back this up? Seems like the exposure for a mass-market product like sofi might be great in terms of ROI, rather than wasting time in the tech news circle that most startup PR efforts operate in.
Re:The startup that’s making a big, expensive bet on a Super...
by rorykoehler on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @01:37AM
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I'm not sure that is a quality data point. This company is a fin-tech startup aimed at student loan consolidation. I could be wrong but I would be surprised if the Super Bowl was not a very good target for them in terms of ROI.
"In January 2000, the company aired its first national commercial as a Super Bowl ad which cost the company $1.2 million. [...] That ad was ranked #1 by USA Today's Ad Meter and had the highest recall of any ad that ran during the Super Bowl. [...] Although sales rose dramatically due to the attention, the company was weak on fundamentals and actually lost money on most of its sales. Its high public profile during its brief existence made it one of the more noteworthy failures of the dot-com bubble of the early 2000s."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pets.com
If there's one thing the majority of people watching the superbowl love, it's condescension from a corporation.
The US Marines or the British Parachute Regiment heavily promote their status as an elite corps. Advertising for theme parks and even toys often uses the "Are you tough enough?" trope. The Hermes Birkin bag has become one of the most sought-after items in fashion, precisely because Hermes won't sell them to the 'wrong' sort of people.
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/12/25/460870534/episo...
But there's a world of difference between "are you tough enough?" and "you're probably not tough enough".
I agree with the GP poster, condescension won't play well.
It's definitely an obnoxious strategy, and it's kind of sad to see. Unfortunately that doesn't mean it won't be effective. After all, we're talking about them here.
Its like a social desirability Catch 22...either way, we lose.
The company is run by someone experienced in running big corp financial loans:
> SoFi is run by CEO Mike Cagney, a former Wells Fargo executive and specializes in refinancing student loans for qualified millennials as well as personal loans.
So I'm sure he's at least somewhat familiar with the ROI from this type of ad. Although I fear he's playing big corp marketing game with a small-time company. $5m in the right hands could be much better spent elsewhere but some companies lack the creativity/talent to do that effective hit-the-streets type of startup marketing.
So why not write a single big pay cheque to solve a big hard problem?
It certainly is lacking in imagination. If this is the best you can come up with to target your niche then this is a bit of a warning sign that not all is right inside the company. But then again what do I know :)
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/social-finance#/enti...
http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html
/r/hailcorporate.
"Why burn $5MM in a quarter or a month when you can do it in 30 seconds?"
Didn't we learn in the nineties this sort of thing doesn't work?
You would assume the board will have approved something like this so the investors have to take responsibility.
Isn't that kinda the point! ;)
Yikes. :-/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-03/this-lende...
Looks like Martinis are the modern day toasters.
Let's seem them beat the ad for So Fine.[1]
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io53QMwHZ48
Eventually everyone will be bored, but I don't think it's this year.
I agree that it's probably easy for the HN crowd to think mass TV advertising is over, when it actually isn't. I just think that for certain audiences it makes a whole lot more sense than others. If I were running a startup looking to cash in on the huge numbers of boomers entering their senior years then a Super Bowl ad might make sense. For one targeting not just millennials, but relatively affluent millennials it makes a lot less sense.