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Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by ArcticCelt on Thursday August 28, 2014 @07:41PM (#8240361)
I wish I was able to take naps. Do people can really fall asleep on command just like that when they have some spare minutes in their day? Shit, even when I am sleep deprived, I can barely fall asleep in my own bed, sometimes it literally take me hours.

When I manage to take a nap it's usually involuntary by falling asleep in front of the TV.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by kirse on Thursday August 28, 2014 @08:27PM (#8240573)
It just takes practice. For a nap, it helps to unwind quickly by focusing on deep breathing and allowing your mind to wander.

During a nap you're not trying to lose consciousness as if you're "totally asleep" either. It's almost like you're hypnotizing yourself into a deep state of relaxation. A pair of sunglasses or sleep mask can also help to reduce any daytime light to make it easier.

Practice it for a year, you'll be an expert after that and have a highly valuable skill.

This guy has all you could ever hope to know on becoming a Master of Sleep: http://www.supermemo.com/articles/sleep.htm

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by themodelplumber on Thursday August 28, 2014 @10:44PM (#8240908)
I agree, it takes practice. I can't let my mind wander though. If I want to take a nap in the middle of the day I have to consciously visualize something. The visualization that has worked best for me over the last year has been sitting in my childhood home, assembling the tail section of a scale model Su-24. The end product looks a lot like this one: http://paperwings.orgfree.com/su24/index.htm (except I never finish it, just doze off)

The sleep is worth the practice :)

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by Sammi on Friday August 29, 2014 @05:18AM (#8241762)
Well there is a right and wrong way to let you mind wander. The right way is what is taught in Mindfulness meditation. It requires hard training, and I'm not very good at it (yet I hope).

The "trick" is to let you mind wander without intentionally thinking about anything, but just letting thoughts float on by without getting attached to any one of them. Just notice all the different things your mind is bringing up, and let it happen, without grabbing hold of any one thought.

My big problem is that I have a strong inner voice that is explaining or narrating almost all that I do. This voice if focusing my thoughts, so I need to stop talking inside my head for this to work. I kind of just need to shut up and watch my thoughts instead :)

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by jmagoon on Friday August 29, 2014 @12:51PM (#8243324)
Just a note: that inner voice is also a thought. A strongly habituated one, certainly, but still just a thought. You don't need to stop 'talking', just take a step back, so to speak, and watch that voice and it will gradually dissolve on its own (over time, it will get less demanding on your attention).
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by Dewie on Friday August 29, 2014 @05:40AM (#8241815)
This has sometimes worked for me when I'm trying to fall asleep. When I'm successful, it's like I'm letting go of the narrative of my own thoughts, and instead just seeing it unfold. Eventually, I start to feel as if the thoughts are drifting into a dream, as I start to feel engulfed in my thoughts rather than just observing them unfold.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by baby on Friday August 29, 2014 @06:53AM (#8241951)
> I can't let my mind wander though

I force myself to. I just simulate what happens when I really start falling asleep. I create random thoughts and I chain them as fast as possible.

Example:

If I break the ice with my hammer the calendar will fall on monday, but I have to escape from a huge mountain today, etc... Works super well for me. If I really need to sleep I'll use that technique, if I'm not sleepy I can do that for like 20 minutes, I have to focus not to think about something and just think about those random and nonsense stuff and I will fall asleep eventually.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by bemmu on Monday September 01, 2014 @12:49AM (#8251582)
When I finally manage to fall asleep, I can't remember the next day how I did it.

I've noticed it is often preceded by having some thought, then 5 seconds later realizing that the thought I just had makes absolutely no sense. I guess that's the reality testing switching off.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by eumenides1 on Friday August 29, 2014 @09:11AM (#8242323)
For me it was refinement. I was always an easy sleeper (> 3min i could be a sleep). But when stress piled on, it made my mind more of a clutter. So I started picturing a black background and drawing a number 1. But i had to draw the most perfect 1 I could visualize. Serifs, font what ever you want, just perfect. I would time it to my breathing. So 1 would be done in one breath (inhale and exhale). Then 2, then 3 etc.

The catch? if i had stray thoughts, i would have to start back at 1. I never get that far (101). But i always managed to clear my mind and fall asleep.

After reading about other people's techniques, it seems i stumbled on things like breathing and visualization.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by masklinn on Friday August 29, 2014 @02:08AM (#8241338)
> It just takes practice.

In the same way pole jumping without arms or legs "just takes practice".

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by click170 on Thursday August 28, 2014 @09:33PM (#8240756)
You could try not watching TV, using a laptop, or reading in bed.

For me, when I stopped watching TV and doing things on my laptop from my bed, I very quickly noticed an improvement in how quickly I fell asleep.

Another big one is exercise. I notice that when I exercise I have a much easier time falling asleep than on days that I don't, I now try to exercise every day.

I also got older over the past few years, which in and of itself could explain things, so, I suggest experimenting to find what works best for you.

Edit: typo.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by bigtunacan on Friday August 29, 2014 @10:07AM (#8242526)
This. A bed should serve for only two purposes; sleeping and we all know the other.

Watching TV, laptops, reading, etc... do not train your brain that the bed is for sleeping. Now I lay in bed for a nap and I will typically zonk out in a couple of minutes.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by ihaveajob on Friday August 29, 2014 @02:35PM (#8243814)
I find that reading fiction in bed is a great way to fall asleep. Nothing technical or business related, though, that's a guarantee of a short and poor sleep.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by TeMPOraL on Saturday August 30, 2014 @12:55PM (#8246887)
For me reading fiction in bed is a great way to fall asleep... the next day at work. I lost countless hours of sleep at night and productivity during the day thanks to people like HN's own cstross, who absolutely, positively have to create captivating, entertaining and addicting pieces of writing...
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by bredfield on Thursday August 28, 2014 @08:39PM (#8240612)
Have you tried 'paradoxical intention'? It's basically convincing yourself that the goal is to stay awake, instead of falling asleep. It gets rid of some of the performance anxiety surrounding falling asleep, and tends to force you to focus on something else (keeping awake). It has helped me in the past!
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by edwinyzh on Friday August 29, 2014 @02:09AM (#8241339)
Aha! I know what you mean - I have noticed such situations several times.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by electromagnetic on Thursday August 28, 2014 @07:49PM (#8240404)
Ditto this. My wife can nap no problem. I might nap every couple months, and its basically a disrupted sleep and not a nap. I wake up feeling terrible; groggy, mild headache, irritable. I'd have been better off not napping as it inevitably comes when I've got so much to do and no energy and that "if I have a quick nap I'll feel refreshed and be ready to work!" Nope!
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by derekp7 on Thursday August 28, 2014 @09:32PM (#8240755)
I'm the same way -- every once in a while I'll fall asleep on a weekend around mid afternoon, and sometimes wake up 4 hours later. Then I really feel like yuck for another hour. And I can't fall asleep easily that night either (usually I don't have a problem falling asleep, just not getting interrupted in the middle by the dog wanting to get let out).
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by 59nadir on Saturday August 30, 2014 @04:40AM (#8245957)
4 hours of sleep is not a nap. The refreshing feeling you get after a nap is completely different from the one you get when you've gone into deep sleep.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by vlunkr on Friday August 29, 2014 @01:28PM (#8243504)
I'm in the exact same situation. If I nap for more than ten minutes I feel awful. I assume my body doesn't know how to deal with naps since I rarely take one.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by sciurus on Thursday August 28, 2014 @08:07PM (#8240495)
How long are you napping for?
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by k__ on Thursday August 28, 2014 @09:30PM (#8240747)
Afaik it's an illusion.

When I'm not sleeping alone, the other people tell me I'm snoring after 10min lying around. But I cant remember falling asleep, snoring OR waking up. Just That I had my eyes closed and tried to sleep.

So I guess, I cant check for my self that I'm asleep...

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by djur on Thursday August 28, 2014 @09:40PM (#8240778)
I've had the same experience when sleep-deprived (which is really the only condition in which I can nap). I'll grab a couch at work and recline and close my eyes. What follows is perceived as a relatively brief period -- twenty minutes or so -- of being somewhat abstracted from reality, with my mind operating in that semi-dreamlike state you sometimes get when waking up slowly. Then I'll open my eyes, slightly fuzzy but less tired, and go back to my desk to find that 60-90 minutes have passed. (This is almost always in the context of work-related sleep deprivation, like being in a crunch on a project or up late because of a crisis, so I've never gotten any guff over it; in any case, it happens very rarely.)

What's interesting is that I definitely feel like I'm perceiving the world with some continuity during that time -- I'll hear coworkers' conversations, people walking around, etc. -- but apparently I miss things like people coming up and checking if I'm awake, or even the time someone laid my hoodie over me as an improvised blanket.

If I sleep any longer than 90 minutes or so, I just perceive it the same way I do sleeping at night.

The brain is a strange contraption, isn't it?

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by k__ on Friday August 29, 2014 @08:17AM (#8242167)
When I'm sleeping for >60 minutes, with those states of deep sleep, I really feel like I'm sleeping. But not when I'm just lay on the couch for 20 minutes.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by barbs on Thursday August 28, 2014 @07:51PM (#8240407)
> * Do people can really fall asleep on command just like that when they have some spare minutes in their day?*

It depends on the time of day. I can't exactly fall asleep on command, but I'll find myself longing for a nap in the afternoon, usually around 2 or 3. I can fall asleep pretty quickly then, and usually I'll wake up about 20 minutes later.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by matwood on Thursday August 28, 2014 @07:54PM (#8240422)
I can't nap, but just laying down for 20 minutes with my eyes closed in a quiet room gives me a huge energy boost.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by murrayh on Thursday August 28, 2014 @10:18PM (#8240853)
Isn't that exactly what a nap is?

Does your awareness reduce? It's hard to notice a change in awareness. Sometimes I notice a transition from haziness to attention when a sound draws my attention. My understanding is that the haziness is a form of sleeping and is exactly what a nap is meant to be. If you fall into a deeper sleep you will get some of the side effects others talk about -- grogginess etc. The length and depth of sleep is related, so I thought that's why you need to be careful to only nap for short periods of time.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by peteretep on Friday August 29, 2014 @01:05AM (#8241214)
When I nap, even for 20m, I dream. Grogginess comes if I take longer than 20 minutes or so - although if I time it right, I can hit a non grogginess event again after 1.5 hiurs. Sleep cycles, I guess
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by victormg on Thursday August 28, 2014 @09:21PM (#8240722)
Same here,somebody have an explanation?
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by yoklov on Friday August 29, 2014 @01:28AM (#8241271)
You actually fell asleep, but didn't enter a deep enough sleep for you to actually notice it. You can't tell if you're in NREM1 sleep.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by jaredmcateer on Thursday August 28, 2014 @11:01PM (#8240945)
I used to do it on my lunches in my car. Load up an mp3 I made from rainymood.com and some oscillating brown noise on simplynoise.com, put on a sleeping mask and a 45 minute alarm it was great. First few times I didn't sleep much but I did essentially meditate, later on I was sleeping within 10-15 mins.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by Swizec on Thursday August 28, 2014 @08:24PM (#8240562)
Yes. If you lay still with your eyes closed and make sure your phone and internet stay quiet, you will fall asleep in 10 minutes or so.

That then leaves enough to get 10 minutes or so of sleep and get back up 20 minutes after starting your nap. Much longer than that and you risk not getting up for another few hours.

Much less than that and you won't get any rest.

And yes, this works perfectly well even without falling asleep. Just lay still for 20 minutes and let your mind wander without distractions or worrying about what you're thinking about. Congratulations, you've just meditated.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by meowface on Thursday August 28, 2014 @10:26PM (#8240871)
Sorry, but I can't do any of the things you list (fall asleep within 10 minutes whether I'm trying to fall asleep for a nap or to go to bed at night; let my mind wander and not get distracted; not worry).

I have a lot of anxiety, which I imagine is relatively common among the developer and tech community. Sleep and peacefulness does not come easily to me. I've tried taking naps at various points over the years, but haven't successfully taken one since I was about 12 or so. Sometimes I'll even lie in bed for 30, 40, 50 minutes to just try and take a short nap. Eventually I'll give up and wonder why I wasted all that time.

This will happen to me even if I'm extremely sleep deprived, and feel very physically and mentally exhausted.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by droidist2 on Friday August 29, 2014 @10:52PM (#8245449)
Have you ever tried meditation/mindfulness? It sounds like it may help you learn to quiet your mind.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by masklinn on Friday August 29, 2014 @02:11AM (#8241344)
> Yes. If you lay still with your eyes closed and make sure your phone and internet stay quiet, you will fall asleep in 10 minutes or so.

Nope, well over an hour is my average. And that's at night in my bed after a full day work.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by sergiosgc on Saturday August 30, 2014 @11:48AM (#8246718)
I've been there. Although every case is different, you may be successful with my approach. I observed that it is much more difficult for me to sleep when very tired, and that I'm awful at auto measuring the time to go to bed. So, I adopted a rigid 7h sleep schedule for a month. I added some exercise (swimming), to guarantee success. Worked like a charm. Nowadays I'm more flexible about the schedule, but vigilant as to whether I'm slipping.

I think the most important thing I did was defining that taking one hour to fall asleep was problematic and then tackling the problem methodically. Seeing a doctor about it was on my scope had I failed to solve the problem on my own.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by Afforess on Thursday August 28, 2014 @09:10PM (#8240696)
Just lay still for 20 minutes and let your mind wander without distractions

Just. I've never been able to do that. I'm always thinking, even when I am exhausted. (Usually then, about how exhausted I am.)

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by steveax on Thursday August 28, 2014 @10:19PM (#8240855)
My secret: short story podcasts. Engages my brain just enough to help turn off the competing thoughts. There really is something to that bedtime story thing!
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by vijucat on Friday August 29, 2014 @12:56AM (#8241193)
This could be due to the momentum of thinking anxiously, or in a forced way in general, throughout the day. If you are able to think at a natural pace throughout the day, your thoughts will be calm, or at least, come to you at a natural pace, at bedtime / nap-time, too.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by Swizec on Friday August 29, 2014 @01:46AM (#8241303)
> I'm always thinking

Otherwise known as "lettings your mind wander". Just go with it, you don't have to not-think. It is perfectly fine to spend 20 minutes laying down and thinking.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by masklinn on Friday August 29, 2014 @03:17AM (#8241449)
And what's supposed to happen when it's an hour later and the mind is still wandering but not sleeping any more than originally?
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by zimpenfish on Friday August 29, 2014 @12:06PM (#8243109)
Try unwandering it? Count from 1 upwards and restart every time your mind wanders off the counting.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by Swizec on Friday August 29, 2014 @06:36PM (#8244826)
Nothing much? You don't have to fall asleep to feel rested from taking an hour long break ...
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by tambourine_man on Friday August 29, 2014 @12:05AM (#8241062)
Mildly interesting podcasts and audiobooks help me a lot.

Too interesting and you get wired. Too dull and your mind begins to wonder. Some work so well that it takes me several runs to listen completely.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by jclos on Friday August 29, 2014 @07:23AM (#8242030)
What helps me a lot is listening to audiobooks I have already listened to. I find for example the Harry Potter audiobooks narrated by Stephen Fry comforting and relaxing.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by ajani on Friday August 29, 2014 @01:04PM (#8243386)
I do the same thing - re-listen audiobooks. My favorites are Richard Dawkins and Stephen Fry.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by iamwithnail on Friday August 29, 2014 @01:48AM (#8241305)
Hah! I read technical stuff on Wikipedia for the same purpose.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by joshschreuder on Thursday August 28, 2014 @07:46PM (#8240385)
I'm exactly the same, I find it very difficult to nap during the day even when sleep deprived. It takes me a long time to fall asleep.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by weaponofchoice on Thursday August 28, 2014 @10:39PM (#8240895)
Used to be similar for me.

Until I discovered deep meditation (http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Meditation-Pathway-Personal-Freed...). Summarized: Repeat a chant, such as 'I am' (or any phrase of your choosing) for about 5 minutes, focusing on what the chant-phrase sounds like in your mind.

With the phrase 'I am', you would try to feel the sounds 'A-Y-A-M' being pronounced in your mind, without ever vocalizing it.

Gets me napping within 5 minutes, wake up charged up for a massively productive session. I hope you'll give it a try sometime.

Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by e40 on Friday August 29, 2014 @10:09AM (#8242536)
If I play solitaire on my phone, when tired, it does the trick. I find it's way better than other things, like watching TV or reading random websites or books.
Re:Coffee naps are better than coffee or naps alone by skizm on Friday August 29, 2014 @10:26AM (#8242622)
The article says you don't actually have to fall asleep to feel the effects. Just lay in a half sleep/relaxed state for 20 minutes.