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Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by geerlingguy on Thursday July 31, 2014 @02:42PM (#8116111)
What amazes me is that Apple's infrastructure has markedly improved over the past few years. I haven't noticed as many Mobile Me/iTools-era sluggishness or flakiness since at least a couple years ago. And I've yet to get on an internet connection that isn't saturated by a download from Apple.com or a related service. Not to say Apple's perfect, but whatever changes they made after all the Mobile Me fiascos seem to be helping.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by KC8ZKF on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:08PM (#8116280)
I've noticed the exact opposite.

It can take 15 seconds for my iPad to connect to the store over wifi. Similar results on my Windows desktop and my Apple laptop.

A download will fail at least a third of the time. If I'm downloading more than one thing, or the download is large, say a movie, I almost always have to restart the download.

Television shows continually reset themselves as unwatched, or split themselves into two seasons.

Items that are downloaded to the computers or devices suddenly make themselves "unavailable" and have to be downloaded again.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by js2 on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:47PM (#8116532)
Any chance you're using third-party DNS servers and not your ISP's?
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by coherentpony on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:51PM (#8116550)
Funny you mention that. I had awful service with AT&T's DNS servers. After I switched to using Google's everything's run as quick as a button.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by js2 on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:56PM (#8116594)
Not using your ISP's DNS can confound CDNs. In particular, I had to revert to my ISP's DNS servers from Google's specifically because my AppleTV was unable to stream movies otherwise. This was when Google DNS first launched, but you might give it a shot.

I happen to have a router running dnsmasq, so I could use different upstream DNS servers depending upon the query (i.e. route CDN domain queries to my ISP and everything else to Google), but I found it not worth the trouble. TWC's DNS isn't that bad... I do override their search page for non-existant domains with NXDOMAIN however.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by rdl on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:34PM (#8117131)
This is why anycast is better than DNS for cdn, IMHO :)
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by Hengjie on Friday August 01, 2014 @11:36AM (#8120575)
How easy is it to set up any cast as opposed to geo-DNS routing?
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by coherentpony on Thursday July 31, 2014 @04:32PM (#8116809)
That's useful information that I didn't know. Thanks for sharing.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by yeukhon on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:37PM (#8117140)
That's exactly the reason I haven't switched away from my ISP's DNS because some services do run significantly better over my ISP's DNS instead of the non-ISP ones.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by KC8ZKF on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:13PM (#8117043)
No. I am using my ISP's DNS servers obtained through DHCP.

Also I have no problems with YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon instant video, etc.

EDIT: Before anybody suggests that I try different DNS servers, I have.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by jigabit on Thursday July 31, 2014 @04:42PM (#8116867)
> I've yet to get on an internet connection that isn't saturated by a download from Apple.com

This year Apple has usually maxed out at 20-30 Mbyte/s instead of the 100+ Mbyte/s I get from some servers.

Move to KC — we also have great BBQ!

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by nwh on Thursday July 31, 2014 @04:35PM (#8116828)
iMessage is still terrible. Messages don't make it to their destination, images fail to send properly, messages are duplicated.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by superuser2 on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:21PM (#8117080)
In my experience, SMS is still many times worse. Long messages arrive out of order and parts sometimes do not arrive at all. I've had messages to friends on AT&T delivered 36 hours late, causing confusion.

iMessage, on the other hand, has mandatory delivery confirmation (so you can at least know if a message is going to be problematic) and optional read receipts.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by abritishguy on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:48PM (#8117197)
Is SMS really that bad in the states? It works pretty flawlessly in the UK.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by superuser2 on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:52PM (#8117225)
Yes. It's why iMessage exists (and was welcomed with open arms) in the first place.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by ambler0 on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:17PM (#8117063)
To the people saying this is not a problem, it is. In particular, iMessage seems to often get confused when trying to send a picture. The progress bar will get to half or even mostly full, and then just pause ...forever.

It's not a connection issue. On several occasions after running into this iMessage issue, I have emailed the picture full-res without problems.

That said, I don't think iMessage is terrible. I love it when it works as expected.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by Angostura on Thursday July 31, 2014 @06:40PM (#8117431)
Odd, in the UK I get almost 100% success - plus you get the handy delivered (and optionally read) notifications.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by eknkc on Thursday July 31, 2014 @06:59PM (#8117499)
Never had such problems. I use it both from desktop and my phone, works just fine.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by revscat on Thursday July 31, 2014 @04:50PM (#8116912)
Never had this problem, and with one exception everyone I text with has an iPhone.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by feld on Thursday July 31, 2014 @04:42PM (#8116871)
I've never experienced this. Sounds like a general network issue, not an iMessage issue. Junk network equipment at home? Badly oversubscribed LTE/3g in your area?
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by saurik on Thursday July 31, 2014 @06:09PM (#8117299)
A few days ago (when this actually launched), I was in a position where I actually had to map out their network some. The CDN nodes are all 17.253.*.22[1-4], and are located in Los Angeles (22), Chicago (12), Palo Alto (? this one I found confusing and also thought might be near New Jersey) (18), Dallas (8), Miami (6), Atlanta (4), New York (2), Seattle (20), San Jose (16), the Netherlands (32), the UK (34), Austria (66), Hong Kong (64), Japan (68), Singapore (80), and Germany (48).
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by ramy_d on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:09PM (#8117032)
Could someone explain to me what the deal with the ISPs would look like? What does the deal accomplish? I don't understand because I think the content would always have to come from their CDN if that's where it's hosted. Are the deals meant to ensure the shortest trajectory to their CDN network?
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by jonknee on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:45PM (#8117182)
ISPs will degrade the requests of their customers if the requested service doesn't pay a toll (see Netflix for an example). Apple has agreed to pay many major ISPs so that Apple's bits don't get stuck in the slow lane. It's pretty shameful that this is required, but that's how it is these days.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by rspeed on Monday August 04, 2014 @11:52AM (#8132309)
Don't spread bullshit.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by couchand on Sunday August 10, 2014 @11:36PM (#8161819)
Can you clarify? The GP seems to accurately describe the current regulatory scheme.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by wmf on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:51PM (#8117216)
Are the deals meant to ensure the shortest trajectory to their CDN network?

Yes, more or less. Traffic can flow Apple->some backbone->Comcast or Apple->Comcast. The latter path is less congested.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by aaronblohowiak on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:13PM (#8117042)
It can even mean that Apple has hardware in the ISP's POP, so there are no hops between the ISP and Apple's hardware -- a direct connection, if you will.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by ksec on Thursday July 31, 2014 @06:19PM (#8117357)
I think this is long overdue. Sometimes Apple are really conservatives with these kind of infrastructure things. Like building enough Datacenter for their iCloud Services.

It cant be hard for Apple to build a CDN of its own when they have a worldwide reach in Mobile Network, and most Mobile Network are owned by a Local Telecom ISP.

I hope their next Keynote will be running on their own CDN.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by nraynaud on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:14PM (#8117047)
I find it strange for Apple, since they are an early investor and customer in Akamai.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by wmf on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:53PM (#8117230)
It's the difference between strategy and strategy tax. Tim Cook won't pay a cent more than he has to for anything, even to his best friend.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by grecy on Thursday July 31, 2014 @02:54PM (#8116190)
It's pure speculation, but I still believe they have something up their sleeve to make use of all this bandwidth / data center space. Hopefully we'll see something soon.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by geerlingguy on Thursday July 31, 2014 @02:56PM (#8116201)
The article mentions Apple still hasn't moved over iTunes (store, movie, music, Match) or Radio service traffic, among other things (those are still on Akamai/Level3). I'm sure Apple's planning on moving at least some of these services over to their new CDN.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by iLoch on Thursday July 31, 2014 @04:26PM (#8116780)
A CDN like this would be really helpful for that streaming service they're probably working on.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by jonknee on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:47PM (#8117187)
Which streaming service? They bought one this year along with really expensive headphones.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by iLoch on Thursday July 31, 2014 @07:23PM (#8117575)
I was being general, but yes, I'm going to go ahead and say their acquisition of Beats may be a leading cause of Apple upping their CDN power, but who knows.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by acomjean on Thursday July 31, 2014 @04:39PM (#8116850)
iTunes Match is fast for me. And alot was stuff it didn't match and uploaded from me (which is odd because they sell some of it now. I bought the classical music direct).

I can download and play at work almost instantaneously.

uploading this to match was not fun.. http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/cat/4778167

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by smackfu on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:12PM (#8116308)
If you are big enough, at some point it doesn't make sense to pay people to be your CDN.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by photorized on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:41PM (#8116493)
True. This has to do more with knowing and understanding (and being able to control) your traffic and content patterns rather than simply being big. When part of your business is making recommendations to people on what they should watch (listen to) next, content propagation and pre-caching is a no-brainer.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by VonGuard on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:39PM (#8116477)
Expect a NetFlix competitor, and a TV competitor.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by pyre on Thursday July 31, 2014 @04:20PM (#8116747)
...then expect Netflix-like problems with big ISPs?
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by grecy on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:45PM (#8116522)
That's my thought too.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by mh- on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:45PM (#8116523)
iTunes?
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by trustfundbaby on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:26PM (#8117098)
Does this affect AppleTV any?
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by dang on Thursday July 31, 2014 @02:31PM (#8116036)
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by mstolpm on Thursday July 31, 2014 @02:51PM (#8116173)
When changing a URL, wouldn't it be fair to check first if the same URL was submitted before? I submitted the now linked URL about 3 hours ago.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by wmf on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:12PM (#8116306)
HN does not care about crediting the first submitter of a link. If you're in it for the karma, submitting links is a waste of time.
Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by dang on Thursday July 31, 2014 @03:57PM (#8116601)
It arguably would be fairer, but solving that problem is trickier than it sounds, especially in HN's current system—where, for example, post rank decays rapidly with time.

It's largely random which version of a story ends up making the front page. We're working on that, but our driving concern is not who the submitter is, but improving the story quality of the front page. So for the foreseeable future, it will still be a lottery who gets the credit/karma for submitting a story. The best way to win the lottery is to enter it often with high-quality submissions.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by jedberg on Thursday July 31, 2014 @05:05PM (#8117013)
The problem here is that the Ars article was better. It was better written and had additional information.

The original article was poorly written and harder to follow.

I would arguably say you made the front page worse by switching the link.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by dang on Thursday July 31, 2014 @06:51PM (#8117470)
I'm surprised you would say that. The Ars piece consists nearly entirely of quotes from this one.

The current article may not be well-written, but its claim to primacy is obvious. I have a hard time justifying massively lifted content on the HN front page.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by jedberg on Thursday July 31, 2014 @07:08PM (#8117523)
There's a difference between lifting content and journalism. :)

Ars practices journalism, which means they take a primary source and then enrich it with useful information while also making it easier to understand.

You're absolutely right in that many blogs simply regurgitate someone else's content, but Ars is not one of those sites.

If you want to be heavy handed in your moderation and become a content curator, you'll need to get better at distinguishing the two.

this is one of the reasons we shied away from heavy handed moderation at reddit -- it's just too difficult to do it well.

Also, primacy doesn't always mean it is better.

Re:Apple’s CDN Now Live: Has Paid Deals With ISPs, Massive C... by tptacek on Thursday July 31, 2014 @11:50PM (#8118289)
That is an... idiosyncratic... definition of "journalism".