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Re:Hyperloop by dkulchenko on Monday August 12, 2013 @04:57PM (#6201846)
That capsule (http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2013-08-12/0812_Hyperloop_605.jpg) looks like a claustrophobic's nightmare.

Otherwise very, very cool.

Re:Hyperloop by mortenjorck on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:24PM (#6202094)
I'm not claustrophobic, but this image ever so slightly terrified me: http://i.imgur.com/lGD9bUP.png

I have to wonder, would making the capsule the size of a small subway car completely destroy the economics of it?

Re:Hyperloop by orofino on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:32PM (#6202162)
They're talking about pods that can hold cars, so it doesn't seem that way. The cost does increase, but doesn't look to be a deal breaker.
Re:Hyperloop by axus on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:30PM (#6202142)
It's also scary that the passengers would suffocate if the life support system failed.
Re:Hyperloop by julian37 on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:10PM (#6202475)
Isn't that the case with planes also? As far as I know, at 35,000 feet altitude you'd die, too, if cabin pressure drops and the plane's life support system fails. And I don't recall ever hearing of an air plane accident that involved suffocation.
Re:Hyperloop by bbatsell on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:34PM (#6202628)
Re:Hyperloop by nemo1618 on Monday August 12, 2013 @08:47PM (#6203315)
Amazing that there are so many safeguards in place to prevent what happened to HCY 522, and yet the crew managed to miss/ignore them all. I'm sure there have been many thousands of instances where a safeguard prevented such an incident, but in this case I suppose the fates aligned.
Re:Hyperloop by theycallmemorty on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @09:28AM (#6205547)
That Helios article is just terrifying
Re:Hyperloop by omegant on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:02PM (#6202786)
Look at the Armstrong limit (at 62,000´), a mayor problem to overcome if the tube is going to be at the equivalent pressure of 150,000´

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Limit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness

Also look at the TUC (time of useful consciousness) that it´s below 5 secs when flying that high. That means that you have less than 5 secs to put your oxigen mask on before you lose conciousness, or behave with out knowing what is happening. Also due to the extreme low pressure, you´ll have a horrible a horrible stomach ache due to the expansion of the gases inside you. Your blood (or at least the corporal fluids exposed directly to the low pressure) will start boiling.

Not funny. Maybe one solution could be wearing some kind of pressure suit for this trips. But that is not going to be very convinient..

Re:Hyperloop by ricardobeat on Monday August 12, 2013 @08:28PM (#6203237)
From the linked article:

    At or above the Armstrong limit, exposed bodily liquids 
    such as saliva, tears, and the liquids wetting the alveoli 
    within the lungs — but not vascular blood (blood within the     
    circulatory system) — will boil away without a pressure suit
As mentioned above, we have been boarding planes without pressure suits for decades, and the hyperloop has two security advantages: it has a large supply of compressed air to work with, and the tunnel can be quickly re-pressurized in the event of a severe rupture. A multitude of concurrent failures (much less likely than those in an airplane) would be necessary for a catastrophe.
Re:Hyperloop by sneak on Monday August 12, 2013 @11:00PM (#6203768)
> As mentioned above, we have been boarding planes without pressure suits for decades

The Armstrong Limit is at 62,000 feet. Jetliners fly at below 45,000 feet.

Re:Hyperloop by omegant on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @02:41AM (#6204325)
A dedicated hypoxia document by the FAA:

http://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=...

You got to think that a decompression will happen. Something traveling that fast inside a tube is probable to develope vibrations and material fatigue if something is not working properly (like the compressor or a air cushion), also there can be small parts released from the front pod impacting on the next one.

It doesn´t need to be a huge crash, just a crack on the hull, it will decompress that small pod in seconds.

Also what will happen when of tens of pods traveling that fast, find that there is a sudden recompression of the tube? How fast are they going to stop due to the front overpressure (the compressor is relatively low powered)?. Is not going to be a gentle stop either.

I still think that it´s a great idea, and that there will be ways of solving those problems, but it´s going to be difficult and require lots of R&D.

Re:Hyperloop by DonPedro on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:30AM (#6211084)
Obvious engineering issues for further investigation. I would just point out that fatal failure mechanisms can be pointed out in any transportation system. The acceptance criterion is a sufficiently low fatality rate.
Re:Hyperloop by omegant on Saturday August 24, 2013 @02:29PM (#6269357)
Are you by any chance at the hyperloop team? I see that you only commented on this topic.
Re:Hyperloop by dojomouse on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @09:11PM (#6215566)
The great thing about the hyperloop, and other vactrain systems, is that you're at sea level... you're just not in atmosphere. The atmosphere can be restored in seconds. Sure, it'll stop the entire system and be a TOTAL pain in the arse because you'll have to restore the vacuum, but that's acceptable as long as it doesn't happen often.
Re:Hyperloop by ravingraven on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @05:10AM (#6204719)
Also, the Helios Airways Flight 522.
Re:Hyperloop by clarkmoody on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:38PM (#6202219)
The paper discusses supplemental oxygen and emergency tube re-pressurization in the case of sudden evacuation of the atmosphere of a capsule.

It seems that detecting failures of this nature quickly would be the important thing. The fix looks to be relatively easy, though you would cause a major disruption to the whole Loop.

Re:Hyperloop by CamperBob2 on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:36PM (#6202201)
Not that different from a commercial aircraft in that regard. Loss of pressurization is a serious emergency in both cases.
Re:Hyperloop by cenhyperion on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:56PM (#6202744)
You're pretty much done if the life support systems on a plane fail and you're pretty much done if your car has a massive failure while you're doing 70MPH. I can't imagine it being statistically more dangerous than driving.
Re:Hyperloop by lmm on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @06:04AM (#6204853)
Driving seems to get a special exemption in the public consciousness. Trains and planes are already much, much safer than driving, but they're still required to add additional redundant safety features, and there's still outcry when one crashes.
Re:Hyperloop by stcredzero on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:35PM (#6202195)
No different than planes.
Re:Hyperloop by abruzzi on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:25PM (#6202584)
Except that planes have (supposedly) trained staff that can go around and make sure everyone is getting oxygen. These pods are automated and would most likely have no staff on board.
Re:Hyperloop by cenhyperion on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:58PM (#6202760)
Putting on an oxygen mask is not a difficult operation.
Re:Hyperloop by numbsafari on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:24PM (#6202913)
Unless you are otherwise incapacitated due to whatever is causing the emergency in the first place.
Re:Hyperloop by ajuc on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @12:54PM (#6206815)
You can always push "emergency break, quickly depresurize tube and open doors" button. No such luck in plane, and planes are still safer than cars.
Re:Hyperloop by nsxwolf on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:41PM (#6202244)
BYOO (Bring Your Own Oxygen)
Re:Hyperloop by 205guy on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:38PM (#6202649)
Shouldn't that be BYOO2?
Re:Hyperloop by DonPedro on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:31AM (#6211090)
BYO3?
Re:Hyperloop by amha on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:20PM (#6202886)
Re:Hyperloop by mahyarm on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:44PM (#6203025)
How well will it fit the obese & large American, something that is around ~%40 of the population now?
Re:Hyperloop by yaddayadda on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @02:19PM (#6207303)
Or individuals in wheelchairs?
Re:Hyperloop by ash on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @10:06AM (#6205736)
It's no so different from lying in a bunk bed. Isn't it great to have a half hour nap during morning commute?
Re:Hyperloop by pradocchia on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:43PM (#6202264)
There is in fact a proposed passenger plus vehicle capsule:

The passenger plus vehicle version of the Hyperloop will depart as often as the passenger only version, but will accommodate 3 vehicles in addition to the passengers. [p12]

The passenger plus vehicle version of the Hyperloop capsule has an increased frontal area of 43 ft2 (4.0 m2 ), not including any propulsion or suspension components. This accounts for enough width to fit a vehicle as large as the Tesla Model X. [p15]

Tubes would be bigger, and the system would cost more.

Re:Hyperloop by donpdonp on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:25PM (#6202106)
I get the feeling the space in the passenger car (which is limited) was designed by people who build space capsules.
Re:Hyperloop by Sami_Lehtinen on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:28PM (#6202603)
Have you ever been in submarine?
Re:Hyperloop by tenaciousJk on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @05:36PM (#6208410)
No.
Re:Hyperloop by toddmorey on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:06PM (#6201931)
How is that any worse than standard commercial air travel? Plus, really, you are talking about a thirty-minute journey.
Re:Hyperloop by nonchalance on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:08PM (#6201965)
The journeys currently envisioned by the hyperloop are more appropriate for trains, and Acela (for example) is actually pretty roomy
Re:Hyperloop by what_ever on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:13PM (#6202018)
I don't think Acela journeys are 30 minutes long, though.
Re:Hyperloop by toble on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:10PM (#6201981)
You can get up and walk around on a plane.
Re:Hyperloop by greedo on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:24PM (#6202095)
Most flights I've been on in the last decade, you don't want to leave your seat for anything except a bathroom break. It's not like we're flying on Pan Am Clippers with pianos and seven course meals. Air travel is a glorified cattle car unless you're willing to be financially raped for first class or a chartered jet.
Re:Hyperloop by pbreit on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:51PM (#6203064)
But you could.
Re:Hyperloop by sbashyal on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:23PM (#6202085)
Not for the first 30 minutes - which in this case is the entire trip.
Re:Hyperloop by toble on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:32PM (#6202167)
I think one advantage of air travel is it's distracting. Busy flight attendants, announcements from pilots, plane moving to the runway, taking off... so there's less reason to concentrate on the lack of space while stuck in the seat.
Re:Hyperloop by greedo on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:41PM (#6202247)
I'm sure the seatbacks would all have some net connected display for movies or actual computing.
Re:Hyperloop by corwinstephen on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:58PM (#6202759)
Are you? I wouldn't rule it out, but personally I think getting an outside signal into a sealed capsule which is moving so rapidly that it must use battery power rather than a physically connected power source seems more than trivial.
Re:Hyperloop by umeshunni on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:58PM (#6203099)
You can yak on your cellphone (or watch movies on your tablet) for the entire 35 minutes of this journey.
Re:Hyperloop by marshray on Monday August 12, 2013 @08:31PM (#6203254)
Nah, wifi would travel great in a long metal tube.
Re:Hyperloop by corwinstephen on Friday August 16, 2013 @08:23PM (#6227620)
For 300 miles? Or are you proposing spacing hubs out along the journey, in which case, wouldn't frequent reconnection be an issue?
Re:Hyperloop by yaddayadda on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @02:26PM (#6207349)
His proposal includes "entertainment displays", so there is some sort of built in distraction technology.
Re:Hyperloop by SolarNet on Monday August 12, 2013 @09:23PM (#6203451)
In this case it looks like you could have a great view.
Re:Hyperloop by ash on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @10:00AM (#6205699)
What do you mean? Hyperloop capsules have no windows.
Re:Hyperloop by teach on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @05:40PM (#6208421)
Not to mention the tube is steel, which isn't traditionally light-permeable.
Re:Hyperloop by seanalltogether on Monday August 12, 2013 @08:36PM (#6203271)
In THIS case. What if this becomes standardized and more routes are hooked up?
Re:Hyperloop by VikingCoder on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:33PM (#6202179)
Great point.
Re:Hyperloop by sitharus on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:06PM (#6202435)
The hop between two major cities where I live (~800km apart) takes around 50 minutes on a plane. For 15 minutes you can't get up, and for the remainder low altitudes keep the seatbelt sign on due to turbulence.

For the advantage of a short journey people will put up with it, especially if it can get you to the centre of the city rather than an airport on the outskirts.

Re:Hyperloop by DonPedro on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:34AM (#6211100)
I'd rather be stuck in my seat for 35 minutes than to travel to an airport, go through security, check-in, waiting and boarding, fly for 90 minutes and then apply all the logistics in the other end. Your point is valid, but I would contend that the total package is still superior.
Re:Hyperloop by cenhyperion on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:00PM (#6202770)
What airlines are you flying on?
Re:Hyperloop by toble on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @06:16AM (#6204884)
I rarely fly. I have used British Airways, Cathay Pacific and Easy Jet.
Re:Hyperloop by raldi on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:14PM (#6202025)
Doesn't look any more cramped than the back seat of a car.
Re:Hyperloop by untog on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:18PM (#6202049)
...which is pretty cramped.
Re:Hyperloop by nsxwolf on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:22PM (#6202074)
It's a 30 minute ride.

Try LA to Sydney in coach.

Re:Hyperloop by jfb on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:22PM (#6202073)
Right, but the Hyperloop journey as proposed is 35 minutes long. It seems a reasonable trade-off to me.
Re:Hyperloop by trafficlight on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:33PM (#6202168)
And at a cost of ~$20. That's pretty good.
Re:Hyperloop by jeffasinger on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:52PM (#6202334)
That cost is the infrastructure cost, amortized over a long time, not counting R&D, maintenance, marketing, ticketing, and various personnel costs, assuming it's near capacity.

Translation, it's going to cost more than $20.

Re:Hyperloop by pxtang on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:35PM (#6202636)
Even if it costs $100 for one way, it's still cheaper than plane, and you save an hour on travel time.
Re:Hyperloop by zanny on Monday August 12, 2013 @09:27PM (#6203468)
Also consider this is bus-tier people moving, not even train. You just have small individual units moving along one track. With even passenger rail, you have to have set departure times measured in at least 10 minute blocks, something like this could have a departing train every 5 minutes and you could go through a turnstable the same way you get on a subway.
Re:Hyperloop by kevincrane on Monday August 12, 2013 @09:25PM (#6203460)
Plus the 2 hours spent at the airport in security, waiting, and getting baggage at the end.
Re:Hyperloop by coldtea on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:25PM (#6202580)
Really? As a European I don't find the backseats of most American cars cramped at all.

Plus, with a car you'd have a 7-8 hour journey to look into.

And with an (equally cramped if not worse) plane you'll have more traval time than in this scheme, if you include waiting to depart, the lengthy procedures at the airport and getting to the airport in the first place.

Re:Hyperloop by redthrowaway on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:22PM (#6202071)
Yet still tolerable for a half-hour journey.
Re:Hyperloop by raldi on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @08:31AM (#6205262)
And yet somehow people manage to ride in them for 30-minute trips.
Re:Hyperloop by mortenjorck on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:30PM (#6202141)
Look at the illustration on the next page of the PDF. That's not even a two-door car back seat; that's an F1 cockpit.
Re:Hyperloop by ciex on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:22PM (#6202072)
How do you get out of there in case of fire? If the doors open like that I don't think it would work while inside the tube wouldn't it?
Re:Hyperloop by marshray on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:37PM (#6202216)
Well, there's a low grade vacuum outside so you probably don't want to.

It's a failure of the onboard steam tanks that scares me. ("The steam is stored onboard until reaching the station. Water and steam tanks are changed automatically at each stop")

I don't want to think about what the result of that would look like for the cleanup crew. Eeeewww.

Re:Hyperloop by evan_ on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:41PM (#6202249)
It's a big self-contained pod, they'd just pull it off the line and bury the whole thing.
Re:Hyperloop by marshray on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:52PM (#6202333)
Well the pod might contain the steam initially, but I doubt it would be engineered to survive the increased heat and pressure for very long.

They're just gonna have to send in a crew of astronauts to chisel the freeze-dried human stew off the inside of the tube.

Re:Hyperloop by sitharus on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:02PM (#6202402)
I really doubt the steam tank will be inside the pressurised volume. If they fail they would vent overboard. While an explosive failure would probably cause problems it wouldn't expose the passengers to high pressure steam.

The failure mode for composite overwrap pressure vessels is a slow leak, due to the overwrap containing the metal.

Re:Hyperloop by marshray on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:39PM (#6202655)
A vehicle near the end of its ride will be carrying up to 818 kg (1800 lb) of superheated steam (127 C, 260 F). The 4000 kg (8,900 lb) of onboard batteries and 1800 kg compressor will be dumping heat too. This is 6600 kg of "hot stuff", whereas the entire capsule is projected to have a mass of 15000 kg.

The current design has the passengers in an enclosed capsule in between the compressors and the batteries, with a pressurized air channel running right down the center isle.

Keeping the cabin cool will be a challenge. If that emergency braking is activated, it could get a little warm in there before they are rescued.

I think they may have to quickly repressurize the loop if a car ever gets stuck.

Re:Hyperloop by Daniel_Newby on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @03:20AM (#6204421)
I wonder why they do not use ice. Melt it as a heat sink in normal operation, and vent it to the tunnel for emergency evaporative cooling.
Re:Hyperloop by marshray on Thursday August 15, 2013 @02:01AM (#6216381)
Room-temperature water is readily available, easier to handle, and works almost as well.
Re:Hyperloop by asmithmd1 on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:14PM (#6202510)
The output of the compressor is at 1000 deg. F and 300 psi. That is pretty scary.
Re:Hyperloop by Turing_Machine on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:27PM (#6202598)
The combustion temperature of JP-4 is 3,688 °C.
Re:Hyperloop by asmithmd1 on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:36PM (#6202641)
Sure - but that is happening dozens of feet away inside a can designed to contain it. This extremely high temperature and pressure air will be flowing right under your butt. Serious question, Is any kind of breakthrough in insulation needed?
Re:Hyperloop by Turing_Machine on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:38PM (#6202648)
Well, if the can fails you're toast either way. :-)

The pressure ratio for the compressors in the CFM56 engines in current model 737-800 models is 32.8:1, so somewhere in the neighborhood of 400-500 psi (will depend a lot on altitude).

Seriously, we've been building machinery to operate safely in this pressure and temperature range for a long time.

Re:Hyperloop by marshray on Monday August 12, 2013 @08:21PM (#6203216)
Yes, and it involves a lot of the considerations we're bringing up here.

Engines do fail on passenger jetliners from time to time. There are numerous stories of planes landing safely after an engine catches fire. But the plane is travelling at a good speed through the atmosphere. How would things be different in a much smaller vehicle sitting stationary in a mild vacuum?

How would passengers escape a battery fire? (as has been seen multiple times on very modern jets)

If the tube had to be repressurized in an emergency, how long would the tube be out of service to be pumped back down again?

Is it worth building a three tube system for such a possibility?

Re:Hyperloop by popopje on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:01PM (#6201875)
what happens when you develop unexpected gastric issues mid-30 minute journey?
Re:Hyperloop by kalid on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:31PM (#6202151)
The same thing that happens when you develop gastric issues on a 30-minute helicopter tour, as the minister in a wedding ceremony, or in a dentist's chair.
Re:Hyperloop by teek on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:47PM (#6202696)
Don't forget we're also comparing to HSR. On a train you can go to the toilet anytime you want.
Re:Hyperloop by kalid on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:11PM (#6202845)
Sure, unless that bathroom is occupied by someone who had gastric issues before you did :).

The meta point: If you can't plan around a 30-minute window of no bathroom access, that biological restriction is a bigger concern than arriving at your destination quickly.

Re:Hyperloop by marssaxman on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:20PM (#6202067)
Same thing that happens if you develop unexpected gastric issues during a 30 minute plane flight, I'd imagine, since you'd spend the whole time strapped in for take-off and then landing.
Re:Hyperloop by frenchy on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:34PM (#6202187)
I'm pretty sure in this case they would let you go to the bathroom.
Re:Hyperloop by dismiss21x on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:26PM (#6202592)
I've been rudely informed to go back to my seat when I tried.
Re:Hyperloop by fatjokes on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @04:32PM (#6208084)
nope.

and if you go to the bathroom right before takeoff, you'll delay the flight.

Re:Hyperloop by fatjokes on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:05PM (#6201920)
Each chair is actually a toilet. Problem solved.
Re:Hyperloop by bvi on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:54PM (#6202344)
This is genius.
Re:Hyperloop by fallse7en on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:15PM (#6202516)
This is also disgusting. Can you imagine a Greyhound where every seat was also a toilet? I would definitely think long and hard before riding it.
Re:Hyperloop by fatjokes on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:48PM (#6202700)
Greyhound is where I got the inspiration from.
Re:Hyperloop by bvi on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:26PM (#6202588)
I was being facetious.
Re:Hyperloop by jimmcslim on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:38PM (#6202985)
Better than being faecetious...
Re:Hyperloop by smallegan on Monday August 12, 2013 @09:01PM (#6203371)
Or fecetious...
Re:Hyperloop by venomsnake on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:05PM (#6201908)
Well the pod has compressor - so it literally can hit the fan :)

The only thing I really dislike so far is the battery pack in the pod. I would have wanted to see something more elegant instead. And this way we halve the weight of the pod.

Re:Hyperloop by dclowd9901 on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:18PM (#6202058)
For the lack of space between the tube and the carrier, is wireless electrical transfer out of the question? Or is that not feasible with the amount of electricity being dealt with here?
Re:Hyperloop by adventureartist on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:32PM (#6202166)
My understanding is that putting the air power in the capsule is in part to make the tube simpler and cheaper to make and maintain.
Re:Hyperloop by mpyne on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:10PM (#6202468)
Wireless power transfer would likely significantly complicate the design and construction of the tube itself, which as it stands can be just a dumb hollow cylinder on a stick for the vast majority of its length.

Perhaps the redundant vacuum pumps are spaced frequently enough that the power transfer problem would be easy, but I doubt it.

Re:Hyperloop by VikingCoder on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:37PM (#6202218)
sbashyal pointed out in another thread that you can't use the restroom on a commercial airline during take-off or landing either, which I thought was a great point.
Re:Hyperloop by r00fus on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:05PM (#6201912)
What happens currently on a high-speed rail system? I suppose there's a lavatory in the HSR (e.g.: France's TGV).
Re:Hyperloop by arrrg on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:28PM (#6202127)
Fast trains are just fast trains. Inside there isn’t much special about them compared to slower ones, except that they are usually more comfortable (softer and adjustable seats, definitely wider, at least in first class, better and more tables, more storage space for luggage, electrical outlets, sometimes crappy WiFi, a crappy restaurant, relatively roomy bathrooms that don’t even look that bad). Also, they actually tend to run much more quietly and rumble less than slower trains, so getting up and walking around is usually never a problem, except maybe when the train is driving into and out of a station and over many switches. At least that’s my experience in Germany, but the TGV isn’t so different (maybe a bit better in some ways).

The problem with the images of the Hyperloop interior is that it looks very much unlike anything you currently find in trains. It looks more like the inside of a race car – with a belt and all – and it doesn’t look like you are supposed to get up and walk around. It doesn’t seem as though there is enough space for that. Maybe that’s just some designer having an unnecessary flight of fancy (but that doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in the design if it’s that badly though out), maybe that’s an inherent downside of the design. Either way, not good.

Re:Hyperloop by gsnedders on Monday August 12, 2013 @07:28PM (#6202940)
In general, most of those things vary massively between classes of trains, and there's no simple low-speed/high-speed distinction. Seat width varies massively between body shell designs, softness often depends on how long since the last refurbishment more than anything else, number of tables and luggage space are often based on the target market for the class, electrical outlets are more and more common (even on commuter trains), WiFi is something I'd expect on most inter-city trains, and on-train restaurants (sadly) are dying out though have historically been common on all inter-city trains.

Smoothness is mostly due to track quality, and is a practical result of design for high-speed running.

Re:Hyperloop by arrrg on Monday August 12, 2013 @10:17PM (#6203640)
Dude. What are you on about?

At least in Germany WiFi sucks and is not available everywhere – and even if it is you have to be lucky and actually be in a train that supports it. In general seats are most definitely more comfortable in longer distance trains. Yeah, you can find a seat that’s less comfortable in a long distance train than in a regional train, sure, but that’s hardly the point, is it?!

And electrical outlets are getting more common, sure, but the vast majority of German regional trains does not have them and you can only be certain that there will one in a high speed train.

Re:Hyperloop by gsnedders on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @09:56AM (#6205680)
You said it may differ elsewhere — I was providing a more general view of what I would expect in Europe.

WiFi varies a lot from country to country — some places you're lucky to get it on any train, others it's becoming coming common on even regional trains; seats on a lot of the older ICE2 sets were really quite terrible prior to their recent refurbishment, and a lot of IC trains in Germany had far better seats; electrical outlets differ from place to place — the TGV Duplex will never have power outlets at all seats, for example, despite being a high speed train, as there simply isn't sufficient power spare to provide them, and as another example in the UK it depends far more on rolling stock age (or refurbishment date) than whether it's a long-distance train or not.

Re:Hyperloop by codeulike on Tuesday August 13, 2013 @08:13AM (#6205199)
Inter-city (ie medium/long distance) trains in the UK generally have wifi and power sockets
Re:Hyperloop by checker on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:08PM (#6202448)
You're only there for 30 minutes though. Honestly, I've spent a longer time with less space on the DC metro in rush hour.
Re:Hyperloop by potatolicious on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:17PM (#6202042)
Currently you get up and go to the bathroom at the end of the car.

I've only had time to skim the full PDF, but there's something about experiencing 0.5g of acceleration - unsure if that is a constant or if that is simply right at the very beginning.

If you're going to experience 0.5g of acceleration over a prolonged period, letting passengers get up and move about is going to be a bad idea. It also doesn't look like there's enough roof to get about in that capsule. 0.5g doesn't sound like a lot until you think about it as 50% of your body weight tacked on, in a direction you're not used to having it tacked on. Pretty simple in a seat, much less simple trying to walk.

Re:Hyperloop by praxulus on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:27PM (#6202121)
Assuming it's very smooth acceleration, it's just like standing on a 26º slope, feeling slightly heavier than normal. Healthy individuals should have no problem at all in such a situation.
Re:Hyperloop by thedufer on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:40PM (#6202240)
> until you think about it as 50% of your body weight tacked on

That's not how vectors work. It's only 11% extra weight. If its reasonably smooth, that's easy walking.

Re:Hyperloop by mason55 on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:33PM (#6202180)
> unsure if that is a constant or if that is simply right at the very beginning.

If the top speed is 700mph then you'd have 142 seconds of 0.5 g acceleration to get to top speed. How often you'd be accelerating or decelerating would depend on how many intermediate stations there are.

Re:Hyperloop by jarek on Monday August 12, 2013 @06:16PM (#6202519)
Curves are also specced for 0.5g. That will account for quite a bit more of the total acceleration time than just speeding up and slowing down.
Re:Hyperloop by m_mueller on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:15PM (#6202036)
Re:Hyperloop by darkmighty on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:10PM (#6201982)
High speed rail cars interiors are not much different from regular ones, except from higher luxury cabins.
Re:Hyperloop by snorkel on Monday August 12, 2013 @05:11PM (#6201986)
diapers