Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by gojomo on Friday July 19, 2013 @04:02AM
(#6068845)
No luck with that link for my US location. Oddly enough, "VLC for iOS" shows up in App Store search results... but then gives the "item you've requested is not currently available in the U.S. store" error when clicked.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by rmccue on Friday July 19, 2013 @02:08AM
(#6068579)
Just linked it with my Dropbox account. That is the best implementation of authorisation I've seen in any mobile app, period. Compared to the Facebook method (overlay a dialog that for all I know could just be made by the app itself), it's fantastic.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by k-mcgrady on Friday July 19, 2013 @02:48AM
(#6068689)
SSO has been the main auth method for apps integrating Facebook for a couple of years now. I haven't seen the dialog in use in a long time. I'm surprised there's people still using that method.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by vizzah on Saturday July 20, 2013 @01:18PM
(#6075787)
Same problem - VLC can't see .mp3 files uploaed to it's "app" folder. That's oddly strange and disappointing. I am certain it can play(decode) mp3 from the video file, why it doesn't open standalone audio .mp3?!
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by jbk on Friday July 19, 2013 @09:30AM
(#6069988)
>Also, what limits the usage rights is the app store, NOT the GPL.
Exactly, but it is forbidden to limit the rights when redistributing (section 6) that are granted (running, copying, distribution and modification, section 0). Therefore redistribution of GPL app is forbidden on the AppStore. LGPL does not have those dispositions.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by jordigh on Saturday July 27, 2013 @05:25PM
(#6114492)
All versions of both the LGPL and the GPL forbid imposing further restrictions other than each of their respective terms. If you think the app store has a problem with the GPL, then the app store also has a problem with the LGPL.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by pdpi on Friday July 19, 2013 @09:31AM
(#6069990)
Whatever licensing terms you choose for your software, I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't call legitimate complaints about other people breaking those terms "a hissy fit". I suggest you refrain from doing that to other people's complaints.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by jychang on Friday July 19, 2013 @06:19PM
(#6073341)
So? A neighbor who continually calls the cops on you for noise complaints during daytime hours would be throwing a hissy fit, even if it was legal. He has a right to complain, of course, but that doesn't mean anyone else can't complain about his actions. Satisfying the spirit of the licence and missing out a tiny piece of legalese, and being punished for it, is not something a society wants to encourage.
Pulling VLC from the app store was legitimate, but still a hissy fit, as seen by the fact they immediately relicenced it to LGPL and remade the app.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by tzs on Friday July 19, 2013 @04:17AM
(#6068876)
Nope. Apple's App store encryption is compatible with both GPLv2 and GPLv3. (A lot of people think the anti-Tivoization provisions in GPLv3 are not compatible with the App store. These people have not read GPLv3 carefully. The anti-Tivoization provisions are much narrower than they think).
The problem was with the TOS that a user must agree to in order to be allowed to use the store. The TOS places limits on the user that are incompatible with GPL.
It's missing external dependencies which seems to be the goal of the included buildAspenProject.sh, but I can't get it to run 100%. I'll report back here when I can successfully build it.
EDIT: The git repo is missing the necessary patches to vendored code. i.e.:
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by alco on Friday July 19, 2013 @12:41PM
(#6071228)
Hi. I don't a README in vlc-ios repo, I'm assuming it requires the main vlc repo to be built. Have you got a guide for building it on OS X? I can't get it past the configure stage due to some missing deps.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by footpath on Friday July 19, 2013 @10:24AM
(#6070323)
Seems like the subtitles option is unable to display Chinese glyphs? All Chinese characters are replaced with the .notdef glyph of a rectangle with an X in the middle. Does this happen with other non-Latin languages?
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by jbk on Friday July 19, 2013 @03:55AM
(#6068829)
So far, we support ftp, http, rtp, rtsp, mms, sdp, tcp, webdav and udp.
We are notably missing Samba (our module for samba is not LGPLv2), afp (we don't have an afp module) and Upnp (the library is not ported to iOS). Help is welcome though!
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by supercoder on Friday July 19, 2013 @04:26AM
(#6068898)
Unfortunately it's a pretty average app by todays standards. There are a number of great video players that have been in solid development since VLC was pulled.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by supercoder on Friday July 19, 2013 @05:34AM
(#6069114)
I'd imagine speed would mostly be dictated by ffmpeg as that's what everyone is using.
I haven't checked with this version of VLC, but can it do hardware h264 inside an MKV container ? That's where some players have put in a lot of work to hardware decode MKV (when it's h264) as iOS requires some crazy workarounds in that area. So if VLC is doing MKV in software, it's still going to appear slower to the user.
Also, I'd say Open Source isn't really a relevant feature on the app store.
Re:VLC for iOS Now Available (itunes link)
by beagle3 on Friday July 19, 2013 @02:13PM
(#6071864)
Quite a few of us are running jailbroken devices, and can run just about anything we please.
Additionally, it costs a one time $100 charge to become an Apple developer (assuming you already have a mac), and then you can deploy everything even without a jailbreak. Given that a new device costs upward of $650 (let's ignore "subsidies" here), another $100 to get locally "open" the device is, for some of us, a reasonable expense.
If you have ideas: http://git.videolan.org/?p=vlc-ports/ios.git;a=blob;f=AspenP...
Also the description in AppStore is rather limited, I would suggest to expand it - indicate all available features and goodies.
I used this link
https://itunes.apple.com/in/app/vlc-for-ios/id650377962?mt=8...
Then it got pulled... why/how is it back?
I relicensed most of VLC engine to LGPL, during the past 2 years, and finished it last november.
Since then, we rewrote the app for iOS and it is dual-licensed under MPL and GPL.
Also, what limits the usage rights is the app store, NOT the GPL.
Exactly, but it is forbidden to limit the rights when redistributing (section 6) that are granted (running, copying, distribution and modification, section 0). Therefore redistribution of GPL app is forbidden on the AppStore. LGPL does not have those dispositions.
Pulling VLC from the app store was legitimate, but still a hissy fit, as seen by the fact they immediately relicenced it to LGPL and remade the app.
http://thenextweb.com/apps/2013/07/18/vlc-for-ios-will-retur...
The GPL itself is not a problem for them in general and they don't just go around removing apps that are licensed under it.
That's not true.
The problem was with the TOS that a user must agree to in order to be allowed to use the store. The TOS places limits on the user that are incompatible with GPL.
It's missing external dependencies which seems to be the goal of the included buildAspenProject.sh, but I can't get it to run 100%. I'll report back here when I can successfully build it.
EDIT: The git repo is missing the necessary patches to vendored code. i.e.:
We are notably missing Samba (our module for samba is not LGPLv2), afp (we don't have an afp module) and Upnp (the library is not ported to iOS). Help is welcome though!
>Support for network streams, including HLS, MMS or RTSP
Was hoping to see some simple dlna options. I'm streaming from Pogoplug not from iTunes or dropbox
As in renderers and converters, all of them.
I haven't checked with this version of VLC, but can it do hardware h264 inside an MKV container ? That's where some players have put in a lot of work to hardware decode MKV (when it's h264) as iOS requires some crazy workarounds in that area. So if VLC is doing MKV in software, it's still going to appear slower to the user.
Also, I'd say Open Source isn't really a relevant feature on the app store.
No. A significant issue of speed is in the video output.
> Also, I'd say Open Source isn't really a relevant feature on the app store.
I'd disagree...
Why ? You're running on a "closed" device with a closed OS where software can only be installed from one place. How can OSS be important here ?
I would think free is important for the end users...but OSS ? Neah..
Additionally, it costs a one time $100 charge to become an Apple developer (assuming you already have a mac), and then you can deploy everything even without a jailbreak. Given that a new device costs upward of $650 (let's ignore "subsidies" here), another $100 to get locally "open" the device is, for some of us, a reasonable expense.
Just a nitpick, $100 per year last I checked, hardly a 'one time charge.'