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Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by unicornporn on Thursday July 04, 2013 @02:16AM (#5989400)
The road sign does not mean camping ground here in Sweden and it never has. It means something like "sight", "monument" or "place of interest".

Here's is the road sign at the Swedish Transport Board: http://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/Vag/Vagmarken/Lokaliseri...

The description says: The sign indicates a sight of national interest. The nature of the sight is mentioned in connection to the mark.

More information is available here (Google translated): http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en&ie...

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by gjm11 on Thursday July 04, 2013 @07:11AM (#5990085)
The article doesn't say that it means camping ground. It says it means

> a floral symbol that was used in Sweden to indicate an interesting feature or attraction in a campground

which is something entirely different. (It might still be wrong -- from what you say it sounds as if it's used in plenty of places other than campgrounds -- but it isn't wrong in the way you imply it is.)

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by buro9 on Thursday July 04, 2013 @07:54AM (#5990202)
> It means something like "sight", "monument" or "place of interest".

It literally means "worth seeing".

It's not even "belvedere" or "tourist attraction", which tell you the type of thing on maps in other countries.

I've always liked it for the ambiguity.

And the shape captures a simplification of early viking forts: http://www.planetware.com/map/trelleborg-viking-camp-c-1-000...

In that respect, the icon means tourist attraction.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by unicornporn on Thursday July 04, 2013 @10:02AM (#5990654)
"Worth seeing" is a better translation, thank you.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by rogerbinns on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:43PM (#5989052)
The key I have issue with is the weird sort of smiley. Or maybe it is half a bathtub. Or some sort of plumbing diagram. At least the command key can be described to someone else as a clover. What on earth were people supposed to associate the skateboard ramp with? It is the middle one in this image http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/MacBook_o...
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by mtinkerhess on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:55PM (#5989085)
It looks like a line that's taking an alternate route.

The ISO symbol shows that a little more clearly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ISOIEC-9995-7-025--ISO-700...

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by jcl on Thursday July 04, 2013 @12:30AM (#5989149)
It's a circuit diagram for a switch. It represents a choice between two paths, as appropriate for the "option" key.

http://electronicsclub.info/circuitsymbols.htm#switches

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by simonh on Thursday July 04, 2013 @06:54AM (#5990049)
That's the international, ISO standard symbol for "Two finger salute to any Brits that want a # key". By pressing it with the number '3' we used to be able to type a # symbol, even though it wasn't shown on the key, because Apple hates us.

Since Lion Apple has decided that just making our lives difficult wasn't enough, we really don't deserve the # symbol at all, and now that combination switches desktops. There is no keyboard combination on a standard, un-hacked factory delivered UK Mac that produces a # symbol. Really.

I keep a text file on my desktop that contains a single # character and cut-n-paste it when I need one.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by duncans on Thursday July 04, 2013 @08:20AM (#5990285)
Alt-3 for # working fine here (in the UK). You might have non-standard shortcuts set up in System Prefs > Mission Control or an odd keyboard layout installed.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by coob on Thursday July 04, 2013 @08:06AM (#5990237)
What?

Alt-3 works just fine me on a UK Mac for making a #. I have made no tweaks.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by simonh on Thursday July 04, 2013 @09:24AM (#5990503)
What OS are you running? What are your physical keyboard and keyboard map, UK or US?
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by coob on Monday July 08, 2013 @06:01AM (#6005999)
Mavericks, but behaviour has stayed consistent since OS X Public Beta (pre-Cheetah) for me and was probably the same on Classic.

Physical keyboards I've used have always been en_GB, internal or external.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by limmeau on Thursday July 04, 2013 @05:58AM (#5989934)
My favourite is "toothbrush head".
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by drewrm on Thursday July 04, 2013 @12:08AM (#5989107)
I've heard it called "train tracks" since it looks like a set of railway points.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by mistercow on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @09:52PM (#5988739)
I had heard about this, but didn't know about the "taking the Apple logo in vain" part. It's so wonderfully Steve Jobs in its being both crazy arrogant and also probably correct.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by ineedtosleep on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @09:57PM (#5988758)
Every now and then I still call the Command key the 'open apple key' which also then shows how much I know about modern Apple computers (as in I don't own or use one normally).
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by jfb on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @10:41PM (#5988887)
I work at Apple and I still call it the Apple key.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by coolsunglasses on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:24PM (#5989016)
I pinch my nose when I use a Mac and call it the command key. Sometimes you never can tell.

I think I call it this because it's a de-facto super key for me as an Emacs user and the title of it is inescapable.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by yuhong on Thursday July 04, 2013 @12:11AM (#5989114)
I think the Apple logo was added to it when ADB was introduced with the Apple IIgs and Mac SE/II. It was eliminated in the new keyboards released in Aug 2007.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by glurgh on Thursday July 04, 2013 @05:34AM (#5989886)
The apple keys were on Apple /// and Apple //e keyboards, before the gs or ADB. It's 'open apple' because there was also a filled-in 'closed apple'

http://www.rhod.fr/images/apple3/apple3-01.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Apple_IIe...

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by yuhong on Thursday July 04, 2013 @03:08PM (#5992037)
Yea, that was why the Apple logo was added to the ADB keyboards. The Apple IIgs had to be compatible with the IIe.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by henderson101 on Thursday July 04, 2013 @07:35PM (#5992883)
Yuhong is correct, Mac 128 era keyboards have no Control key. Weird. Option also hay the word and no logo. Command is just the clover, no text.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by glurgh on Friday July 05, 2013 @12:58AM (#5993501)
Those don't have arrow keys, they're pretty fascist keyboards. Part of the motivation is to discourage programmers from writing text based interfaces for the Mac.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by yuhong on Thursday July 04, 2013 @09:54PM (#5993175)
I believe the addition of the Control key was for the same reason.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by stormbrew on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:46PM (#5989065)
What always infuriated me when looking at Apple menus on OSX, when I was a user of it, was the icon for Option/Alt. http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/...

I can't remember if it appeared on old mac keyboards, but it definitely doesn't on modern ones and to me it just looks like a completely abstract symbol. I could never remember if it was control or option.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by samatman on Thursday July 04, 2013 @02:43AM (#5989461)
I cannot comprehend why that symbol is not on the keyboard. There are two words on the key, neither one of which is used on the screen. Insane.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by kalleboo on Thursday July 04, 2013 @09:04AM (#5990452)
It is on most the international keyboards. Why they leave it out from the US and JP keyboard, I don't know.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by sneak on Thursday July 04, 2013 @04:51AM (#5989772)
It used to be, but was removed.

I wish there was some sort of changelog for Apple internal policies/decisions that end up being public facing.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by Zarel on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:56PM (#5989088)
I think of that symbol as a fork in the road, an "option". Control, on the other hand, is just ^, same as in Unix.

(I'm not saying it's a good symbol, but that's how I remember what it means.)

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by picklestime on Thursday July 04, 2013 @12:29AM (#5989148)
My friend used to call it the "escalator" symbol.

It is pretty abstract. I see it as a representation of a switch or two different alternatives.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by rahoulb on Thursday July 04, 2013 @03:14AM (#5989536)
It is on my (UK layout) MBA and Bluetooth keyboard (although its also labelled as Alt and not Opt).

Control doesn't have a symbol on it though.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by jordanthoms on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:50PM (#5989073)
The way keyboard shortcuts are represented on Mac is one of the things which is actually really user-unfriendly in OSX. I'm supposed to just know that an arrow means shift, a weird line means option/alt, the command key symbol, theres also a caret which means... something? And, to make it worse, most of the keys don't actually have their symbols printed on them, at least with the retina MBP.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by bobthedino on Thursday July 04, 2013 @01:50AM (#5989329)
That is unfortunate. I have a 2011 MBP with a UK keyboard, and all the special keys have the symbols on them, except for Control.

The way the shortcuts are shown in menus has always seemed like a nice, clear and space-efficient way of doing it. It seems a shame that Apple doesn't put the symbols on all its keyboards, because without those, new users are not going to know what the menu shortcuts are referring to.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by emmelaich on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @10:06PM (#5988786)
aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_John's_Arms

To me it looks a little like the symbol for places of historical interest, which is a fort / castle symbol.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by jpatokal on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @10:53PM (#5988923)
In Finland, it is the symbol for a place of (usually historical) interest, and it's encoded in Unicode as such:

⌘ PLACE OF INTEREST SIGN (U+2318)

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2318/index.htm

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by lttlrck on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:12PM (#5988989)
That's what the article says...
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by epa on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:33PM (#5989030)
Another article with a picture: http://www.decodeunicode.org/u+2318
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by INTPenis on Thursday July 04, 2013 @12:19AM (#5989128)
Swedish campground is a tent symbol, the first description fits better "interesting feature or attraction". Usually it's something ancient, like a viking burial mound or an old fortress. Real name "fornminne".
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by caycep on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @09:55PM (#5988748)
I must have wasted hours of my life on that website. Damn you Andy Herzfeld!
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by kristiandupont on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:41PM (#5989049)
I wonder if there are any anecdotes about Steve Jobs that aren't about him busting in somewhere, shouting something.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by axman6 on Thursday July 04, 2013 @02:46AM (#5989472)
Why would that be any fun?
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by EGreg on Thursday July 04, 2013 @02:48AM (#5989478)
Just FYI: the original title I gave the post was "How the Mac got its control key symbol."
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by hackmiester on Thursday July 04, 2013 @03:52AM (#5989623)
It's an okay title, but the Mac has a different key called "control" that is unrelated (other than being a modifier key). That's not the key this article is talking about.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by EGreg on Thursday July 04, 2013 @10:31AM (#5990780)
I meant "comand key symbol"

The title was changed by a mod

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by arnarbi on Thursday July 04, 2013 @04:06AM (#5989648)
The symbol means "Place of interest" in all of the Nordic countries, not a campground. It would typically point to a museum or some heritage site. Here's some information about the sybmology:

http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/hans.html

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by tricolon on Thursday July 04, 2013 @12:36AM (#5989163)
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by thomasfl on Thursday July 04, 2013 @03:23AM (#5989551)
For me as a scandinavian it still is the museum sign. Even after all these years as a mac user.
Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by hmottestad on Thursday July 04, 2013 @09:40AM (#5990562)
The swedes actually copied it from Norway.

hahahaha.

Though to be honest we actually do have it here in Norway.

Re:Macintosh Stories: Swedish Campground by amerika on Thursday July 04, 2013 @09:34AM (#5990541)
Sweden: not only do they have the best death metal, but they have the best icon design. It must all originate in the Futhark.