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Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by Eji1700 on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:56AM (#50479382)
I’m extremely curious what actual veterans could even come up with to explain the situation as it currently appears.

I’ve seen the chats about cascading failures and it’s impossible to not expect AI is involved somehow (likely brain drain and what not), but what are the options?

It sure looks like “fired everyone who knew what they were doing” but I feel like at this point you’re breaking open the check book and calling them, and even if they did that I’m assuming this shouldn’t be a “normal” event?

Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by jiggawatts on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:02AM (#50481043)
I can think of several scenarios that could explain the outage:

A bad antivirus pattern file can cause enormous CPU spikes. E.g.: a very inefficient regular expression with too much backtracking. This tends to get pushed out every few hours to every server, irrespective of role. Hence, "rolling back" the servers to a "known good image" doesn't help, because within a few minutes they get the pattern update anyway and die with CPU overload. (IIRC this type of issue caused a Cloudflare global outage recently.)

Similarly, someone here mentioned a very recent OpenSSL security update that also caused enormously high CPU load. These critical patches have been rolled out very quickly with minimal testing because without it, systems are very vulnerable to nation-states utilising AIs to rapidly exploit new vulnerabilities. Microsoft (probably) doesn't use OpenSSL much, but if they do, it would be everywhere because its use in layer-7 load balancers tends to be "pervasive" and hence a sweeping update can absolutely trash performance of everything in the data centre. (However, this would have been fixed by rolling back)

Most other explanations wouldn't account for the global outage.

Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by ssss11 on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:06AM (#50481071)
Bringing up clusters that are getting smashed the moment they’re online because of the backed up traffic?.. is it just exchange or AD failures behind it?.. could be quite complex with the traffic waiting
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by whatevaa on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:17AM (#50481182)
I guess you must do that electric utility does to avoid blackout - drop a lot of consumers and add them slowly back as things stabilize.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by theapadayo on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:22AM (#50481263)
That would be the status updates about isolating traffic. Still can be hard to do when half of the internet is retrying their failed requests on your servers.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by Betelbuddy on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:13AM (#50481147)
I am extremely curious how any IT department in 2026, still justifies using Microsoft. There is a limit on being cheap or being reckless.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by plasma_beam on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:47AM (#50481565)
Most of the US government is on M365.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by bigfatkitten on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:02AM (#50481746)
And the only reason they achieved a FedRAMP ATO is because most of the government was already on it. The platform is a piece of shit.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by momento on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:48AM (#50481580)
What's the alternative for large multi-national organisations?
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by altern8 on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:09AM (#50481828)
Probably different open source projects + doing things in-house. Which--I would assume--would likely cause much more frequent and longer outages.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by whynotmaybe on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:27AM (#50482551)
Cloud email as reached the utility status like electricity, it's not economically justified to run your own unless you have a very specific use case.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by altern8 on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:52AM (#50482802)
That's right. I don't think most people should
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by pjmlp on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:55AM (#50481670)
Active Directory, Sharepoint alongside Office, anyone involved in game development related to PC and consoles (all devkits use VS plugins) and Valve has failed to bring native games into SteamDeck, existing .NET enterprise applications, Typescript, Github, VSCode, node,...
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by throw0101d on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:03AM (#50482316)
> Active Directory

This is big for medium/large fleets: fairly good central authentication, as well as being able to set policies for machine management (GPO).

I've also heard good things about PowerShell.

Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by Betelbuddy on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:13AM (#50482414)
>> I've also heard good things about PowerShell.

That is despite Microsoft ...you do know they tried to fire the guy who created it?

Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by shantara on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:25AM (#50481976)
The decisions on which stack to use made by business people despite the objections from IT. I’ve seen this pattern so many times across various organizations
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by account42 on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:13AM (#50483052)
It's not up to the IT department. Network effects means if you don't use MS you cannot interperate with other MS-based companies as well. So you need at least some MS integration and they are happy to sell you the rest of the stack bundled with it.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by mr_mitm on Friday November 13, 2026 @09:26AM (#50483973)
There is also another type of network effect: hiring candidates or contractors with knowledge of the MS stack is much easier than finding someone who can set up an alternative.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by Muromec on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:16AM (#50481172)
>It sure looks like “fired everyone who knew what they were doing"

This has two assumptions:

1. people who knew what they were doing were all fired. maybe they just lost touch with the system reality and outsourced too much to the shaitan;

2. if the people were to be called back they can still understand what the system become after shaitan was let loose in it

Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by Balinares on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:45AM (#50481548)
Speculation is a fun game, but from experience, large outages tend to hinge on complex technical details not visible to the general public and I've never once seen even veterans of consummate skill and knowledge correctly guess what happened in the headline-making outages I've been privy to.
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by ivandenysov on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:16AM (#50482444)
all happy families are alike each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way
Re:Microsoft says attempts to fix global outage not going 'a... by cyanydeez on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:54AM (#50483529)
I've seen technical discussions on this stuff. Usually it's because you have a distributed system that's build up incrementally.

You bring one system online, then the next, the next; you load balance it carefully, etc.

But in these catastrophic scenarios, those involved (AI particularly), want to bring everything up all at once and that itself causes some DDoS like attacks on internal and external systems. And that's assuming you solved whatever "unhappy" system took it down in the first place.

The thing I've see with using AI for the past 6 month is it's really too dumb about how long things take. Humans have a normal sense of how long a process will take, whether a race condition can exist (eg, 1ns vs 10s), and other time based details. Whether a log is produced before something happens or after, etc.

I've been considering adding time stamps to mine plugins to track the time, but it's sorta like you need to track it both at the start of the request, at the end of it, at the bewginning of the generation, at the end of the generation.

Anyway, AI has to be shit to use in these scenarios because it can't tell that a system takes 5 minutes to bring up, and if you bring up 10 of the same systems at the same time, they have zero capabilities against race conditoins on shared resources etc.