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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by ayaros on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:40PM (#50420786)
As a very long time user and lover of SketchUp, I'm still peeved about the direction Trimble took in neglecting the SketchUp desktop modeler in favor of a web-based UI. Their licensing was also terrible... first they discontinued the free version of SketchUp, and then later on they discontinued perpetual licensing, meaning the only way to get the desktop modeler was to pay several hundred per year, which wasn't worth it to me. If a vibecoded alternative displaces it in the market, I won't feel one bit sorry for them.

The kinds of large scale projects I like to make in SketchUp really began to feel constrained at a certain point. A modeler with SketchUp's incredible UI that can take full advantage of any computer's available graphics hardware to render large amounts of geometry more efficiently would be a wonderful thing.

I'm very possessive of my SketchUp models, and so the idea of storing them on any kind of cloud server I don't have control over is abhorrent to me. I was not happy to see Trimble putting so much effort into making a web-based modeler.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by japanuspus on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:23AM (#50422197)
Been through the same journey -- and have been super annoyed each year when I paid the several hundred dollar license for a tool I didn't use much, but really needed when I did use it.

My exit has been FreeCAD with an MCP-bridge, letting me talk to an agent that implements my requests directly in the FreeCAD file I have open. Works super well with FreeCAD which has all the features I need, but where they can be hard to discover.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by W0lfEagle on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:35AM (#50422758)
Same. Working in FreeCAD with agents is actually pretty awesome.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by anentropic on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:20AM (#50424595)
Out of curiosity, how do you tell the agent what you want - just describing it in words? Or draw something and scan it in?
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by khafra on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:58AM (#50425688)
I can't tell you how the parent commentor does it, but I saw an excellent reproduction of some historical building done by Astra in headless blender, using photographs, blueprints, and contemporary descriptions. Frontier models are smart enough to incorporate just about any kind of evidence you can give them about what you want, so give them everything.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by abirch on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:09AM (#50425850)
I've used Claude (Opus) and Gemini (Argon) for Blender for some 3D printing. The work reasonably well, I'll have to try Astra next.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by vishalontheline on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @12:56AM (#50450139)
I describe the problem I have, how I think I'd like to solve it, ask it for feedback and ask it to create a model. Then, iterate.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by VBprogrammer on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:04AM (#50422530)
It's interesting, I have an interest in wood working, for a long time the defacto application for planning the majority of woodworking project was SketchUp. I can't say the last time I remember someone discussing it, probably because they are all using knock-off old versions and don't want to mention it.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by taylorfinley on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:46AM (#50422848)
Sharing my own 'sketchup' specifically made for woodworking [0] for like-minded folks. Instead of extruding rectangles you use carpentry tools on dimensional lumber from a materials library.

You can set up a digital twin of your actual workshop, with config-driven models of table/band/miter/hand saws, router tables, drill press, chisels and rasps, all sorts of fun.

I recently added a jig system too, so you can build jigs that you can actually use, both in your shop and in the tool. It's all drivable by a human or an MCP, and has video and plan authoring and sharing built in.

I've been building this as a labor of love since getting laid off in April, it's all completely free to use and people have made some really damn cool plans with it.

[0] https://sawdust.diy

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by WillAdams on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:42AM (#50424246)
I've been working on addressing a similar need, but for CNC machines and from a very different perspective and UI approach --- small, specialized tools which allow making one thing/doing one task:

- Flatten aboard: https://studio.flet.dev/run/46tp8GPq9g/

- Make rabbeted box w/ optional sliding lid: https://community.carbide3d.com/t/rabbet-box-designer-on-fle... (working on a hinged option now)

drawing on what I learned putting together: https://github.com/WillAdams/gcodepreview and https://willadams.gitbook.io/design-into-3d

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by taylorfinley on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:12PM (#50429233)
This looks really cool, and the box you made looks great! I like the look of bamboo end grain, personally.

Sawdust has support for laser cutters [0] and has procedures for generating finger joint boxes, with svg export. It can also do more advanced forms via mcp, like this arcade cabinet design [1]. G-code is high on my to-do list because LightWorks isn't getting updates on linux any more would be great to send a design straight to my diode machine.

Sawdust also has support for 3d printing, both for including printable components in designs as well as printing scale models of your build [2]. No slicing built in, but full .step output for any slicer you like, with build volume aware scaling so you can print it on your machine.

[0] https://sawdust.diy/knowledge-base/how-to-use-the-laser-work...

[1] https://sawdust.diy/whats-new/laser-fabrication-enclosures-a...

[2] https://sawdust.diy/whats-new/woodworking-models-can-be-expo...

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by WillAdams on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:40PM (#50433300)
Ages ago, a fine cabinet-maker I used to hang out with (he was my great aunt's bridge partner's husband) told me, "End grain is like a belly button, you know everyone has one, but unless it's someone special, you don't want to see it." --- agree that bamboo does change that calculus a bit, and I've always wondered what he would have thought of a bamboo box with cigarette and lighter and ash tray integrated into it which was made of short little segments of bamboo glued together (but never remembered to arrange for him to see it).
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by mhaberl on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:28AM (#50424685)
wow, nice!!

I signed up inside a minute of opening it :)

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by JKCalhoun on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:59AM (#50424988)
Very cool. And I am working on some wood projects in the garage at the moment…

If you ever have/get any, a photo of any of the things on your site, actually built, would be a cool addition—make it real.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by variodot on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:12AM (#50425137)
I work on a similar tool and felt the need to prove the engine myself, check out https://shopspec.io/gallery

I have a few projects that are in progress while continuing to build out ShopSpec. This is so that I can address any rough edges as they come up. For instance, material handling and safety during sheet breakdown.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by taylorfinley on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:08PM (#50430115)
I'm building a tortoise table next weekend for our new sulcata hatchling, and am planning on making a youtube video showing the whole process, warts and all. Should be fun!

If you go to the plans section in the 'my shop' tab [0] and click a plan, e.g. this Pinocchio puppet [1] that someone requested via the public feature/plan request board, you can upload photos of anything you build and share a comment about how it went. Credit where due, I modeled this on Instructables and Thingiverse and similar project sharing sites. I for one cannot wait to see some pics of what people build!

[0] https://sawdust.diy/myshop

[1] https://sawdust.diy/plans/8088707d-db0a-4d2a-a73a-686f2c5e2c...

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by thatonehack on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:58AM (#50427325)
Awesome. I’m not into wood working as a hobby but I do have a bunch of different tools including a few different saws; I will be checking this out! Looks awesome and I love your attitude about it being a labor of love…… the best products out there that isn’t jammed down everyone’s throats!
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fwip on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:28PM (#50429488)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by taylorfinley on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:28PM (#50430485)
Thank you, the feedback is much appreciated!

I'm embarrassed that "drag to orbit. The page scrolls past." has escaped my notice til now, yikes. I have an entire skill [0] devoted to eliminating this kind of ui slop, sadly it missed this one.

The landing page is very old at this point and definitely needs a freshen-up. The exploded view feature was built before fastener support, so you are absolutely right about that. Sawdust already can do much better, here's the same Sawhorse project's guide [1], take a look at the video there to see the fasteners driven in with respect for actual physical collisions :)

If you do try the product out you can easily submit feedback through the MCP or via the ui chat, I get paged for every feature request and love working on things users actually want. Would highly value any additional feedback.

[0] https://gist.githubusercontent.com/birep/bb865b2799d3f86d55f...

[1] https://sawdust.diy/share/882f2473-d283-46d0-8f38-7b289253d6...

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by mft_ on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:46AM (#50423336)
I’ve just built a kitchen that was 100% modelled in Sketchup 2017 - the free forever (AAUI?) version still available in a few places. The Mac version I use occasionally crashes, but otherwise it’s perfectly usable.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by WillAdams on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:36AM (#50424189)
Until you upgrade to a new Mac which doesn't have the Intel chip which that version is compiled for and which lacks Rosetta.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by mft_ on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:03PM (#50432098)
I'm running it well on an M1. I thought all Apple Silicon Macs can download/use Rosetta currently?
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by WillAdams on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:41PM (#50433318)
Rosetta is going away in the current or next Mac OS version:

https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=w5ngl9k2

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by RobotToaster on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:32AM (#50424167)
I sometimes wonder what would've happened to SketchUp if google hadn't sold it.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by lopis on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:39AM (#50424222)
Would probably have become an addition to Google Graveyard
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by RobotToaster on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:25PM (#50429433)
Sadly that may have been a better fate.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by diego_moita on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:43AM (#50425489)
> I'm still peeved about the direction Trimble took

There is a name for it: "enshitification" is the strategy of maximizing short term gains, even if that results in product suicide on the long run.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by criddell on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:36AM (#50427055)
Does enshitification cover setting the price to something sustainable?

Trimble bought Sketchup 14 years ago. In the world of commercial software, that's a decent run and they seem to be going strong. They just aren't interested in the nickel-and-dime world of selling to and dealing with consumers.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:22AM (#50426046)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by voakbasda on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:11AM (#50426726)
The problem with this strategy is that anyone who used it during its consumer period find the second pivot as inexcusable. I would not trust a company to steward software upon which my business relies after they move to drop their products’ existing customer base in search of greener pastures.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:17AM (#50426815)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by stronglikedan on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:58AM (#50428243)
> The problem with this strategy is that anyone who used it during its consumer period find the second pivot as inexcusable.

Unfortunately, that's not a problem with the strategy. That was taken into account by the business when the pivot was made, and it was determined to be an insignificant amount of users. The strategy worked without any problems, given the increase in sales. Anyone who used it during the consumer period is no longer the intended customer.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by PorciiVorbesc on Monday November 09, 2026 @12:28PM (#50428630)
>SketchUp was originally an offering for the AEC market.

I used it since the first demo version came out on CDs, and I disagree with that. It was definitely not fully featured and professional enough for professional use in the AEC market. It was a tool easy to use for tinkerers who wanted to CAD something simple at home without the cost and steep learning curve of AutoCAD.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:06PM (#50429156)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by twelvechairs on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:34PM (#50430607)
Architects would use it originally and to a small extent professional engineers because they wanted to communicate in 3d and tools at the time were so bad. It just couldnt do the drawings.

The big problem for architects is it never got to be able to do architectural drawings while other software came in with easier 3d modelling and visualisation (revit which autodesk bought and built out fully for industry use, rhino etc. Even blender).

Google did very little with it and Trimble too. Google i can understand ignoring it after Google earth stopped being a focus. Trimble I dont really understand what they want it for

Also it was notable for being a major commercial success for the ruby programming language, outside ruby on rails.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:48PM (#50430880)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by Loquebantur on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:22PM (#50429390)
The problem here is what you euphemistically frame as "pricing power". It's a cornered market with every appearance of artificially high prices.

Monopoly rent extraction targeting a captive audience

Business customers don't pay for "having more buttons than mere consumers". Their business depending on such a crucial tool makes them reliant on swift and extensive support, negligible down times and so on. They are being cornered by ecosystem lock-in and workflow dependencies.

You could sell the same software at low prices to both "classes" of customers and charge extra for the services relevant for businesses. But then the fiction of "professional" whatever would be gone on the business side. And more importantly, companies like SketchUp would have to admit, they are merely SaaS with bad scaling prospects.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:45PM (#50430824)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by Loquebantur on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:27PM (#50432426)
You engage in whataboutism.

The point here is, the actually largest share of consumers doesn't get served by the "market".

It's a systemic failure and people fail to grasp the exemplary nature of it.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:20AM (#50436374)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by mentalgear on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:23AM (#50426064)
That's basically the premise of OccupySaaS, a protest movement of engineers building clean-room, open-source, drop-in replacements for the products that have become enshitified.

https://occupysaas.com/

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by tgtweak on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:37AM (#50426253)
It's one of the only software's I've felt genuinely zero remorse about pirating after purchasing a perpetual license and having them pull it out after. Adding to that the 3d warehouse forced backward-incompatibility on objects that you can trivially just open and export to an older version with zero differences to get it to work in most cases.