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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:22AM (#50426046)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by voakbasda on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:11AM (#50426726)
The problem with this strategy is that anyone who used it during its consumer period find the second pivot as inexcusable. I would not trust a company to steward software upon which my business relies after they move to drop their products’ existing customer base in search of greener pastures.
Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:17AM (#50426815)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by stronglikedan on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:58AM (#50428243)
> The problem with this strategy is that anyone who used it during its consumer period find the second pivot as inexcusable.

Unfortunately, that's not a problem with the strategy. That was taken into account by the business when the pivot was made, and it was determined to be an insignificant amount of users. The strategy worked without any problems, given the increase in sales. Anyone who used it during the consumer period is no longer the intended customer.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by PorciiVorbesc on Monday November 09, 2026 @12:28PM (#50428630)
>SketchUp was originally an offering for the AEC market.

I used it since the first demo version came out on CDs, and I disagree with that. It was definitely not fully featured and professional enough for professional use in the AEC market. It was a tool easy to use for tinkerers who wanted to CAD something simple at home without the cost and steep learning curve of AutoCAD.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:06PM (#50429156)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by twelvechairs on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:34PM (#50430607)
Architects would use it originally and to a small extent professional engineers because they wanted to communicate in 3d and tools at the time were so bad. It just couldnt do the drawings.

The big problem for architects is it never got to be able to do architectural drawings while other software came in with easier 3d modelling and visualisation (revit which autodesk bought and built out fully for industry use, rhino etc. Even blender).

Google did very little with it and Trimble too. Google i can understand ignoring it after Google earth stopped being a focus. Trimble I dont really understand what they want it for

Also it was notable for being a major commercial success for the ruby programming language, outside ruby on rails.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:48PM (#50430880)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by Loquebantur on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:22PM (#50429390)
The problem here is what you euphemistically frame as "pricing power". It's a cornered market with every appearance of artificially high prices.

Monopoly rent extraction targeting a captive audience

Business customers don't pay for "having more buttons than mere consumers". Their business depending on such a crucial tool makes them reliant on swift and extensive support, negligible down times and so on. They are being cornered by ecosystem lock-in and workflow dependencies.

You could sell the same software at low prices to both "classes" of customers and charge extra for the services relevant for businesses. But then the fiction of "professional" whatever would be gone on the business side. And more importantly, companies like SketchUp would have to admit, they are merely SaaS with bad scaling prospects.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:45PM (#50430824)
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Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by Loquebantur on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:27PM (#50432426)
You engage in whataboutism.

The point here is, the actually largest share of consumers doesn't get served by the "market".

It's a systemic failure and people fail to grasp the exemplary nature of it.

Re:KetchUp – Open-source SketchUp alternative built with Rus... by fsloth on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:20AM (#50436374)
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